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schestowitz-TR | Turns out Debian 10 puts /tmp under / | May 03 08:06 |
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schestowitz-TR | And so after putting some video backups in /tmp | May 03 08:06 |
schestowitz-TR | root partition ran out of space | May 03 08:06 |
schestowitz-TR | all I saw was unrelated error messages | May 03 08:06 |
schestowitz-TR | before finding the culprit | May 03 08:06 |
schestowitz-TR | I am surprised it took me so long to find the culprit | May 03 08:06 |
schestowitz-TR | I was focused on networking | May 03 08:07 |
schestowitz-TR | as it caused barrier not to work | May 03 08:07 |
schestowitz-TR | and then I could not save to remote places either | May 03 08:07 |
schestowitz-TR | as if the ssh socket died | May 03 08:07 |
schestowitz-TR | but anyway, shit happens, lessons learned | May 03 08:07 |
Techrights-sec | :( that's not a good arrangment # Connection from unexpected host! # | May 03 08:07 |
Techrights-sec | GNu/Linux distros are getting too much damage from Windows in the form of ### | May 03 08:07 |
Techrights-sec | bad ideas | May 03 08:07 |
Techrights-sec | full / is a too-common occurenc/ Filling /var/ is bad to because if it happens | May 03 08:07 |
Techrights-sec | when key files are being written, they go bad and AFAIK cannot be repaired | May 03 08:07 |
schestowitz-TR | no data (that I know of) done in this case | May 03 08:10 |
schestowitz-TR | just a waste of time | May 03 08:10 |
schestowitz-TR | most important things, and files, are in ~ | May 03 08:10 |
schestowitz-TR | looking back, it would have been nice if I received disk space warnings of some kind | May 03 08:10 |
schestowitz-TR | either before or after it happened | May 03 08:10 |
Techrights-sec | i've taken to lookin at outpuf from df -Ph for / and other partitions here on | May 03 08:12 |
Techrights-sec | occasion | May 03 08:12 |
schestowitz-TR | side upside is, I got to check all sorts of other systems for their integrity | May 03 08:17 |
schestowitz-TR | I did not find anything broken, but could have. All in all I spent maybe half an hour. | May 03 08:17 |
schestowitz-TR | Checking a lot of things. Now I can move on, with the lesson learned. # | May 03 08:17 |
schestowitz-TR | I'm meant to periodically delete those mp4 files from /tmp but I got lazy as that's no longer | May 03 08:17 |
schestowitz-TR | a critical machine for my data, just some operational stuff | May 03 08:17 |
schestowitz-TR | it seems like those SSDs "expire" after a number of read/writes and then they consider themselves | May 03 08:17 |
schestowitz-TR | not fit/suitable anymore | May 03 08:17 |
schestowitz-TR | there was an article I saw yesterday from a friend that's related to lifetime of SSDs | May 03 08:17 |
schestowitz-TR | I finally understood, a few months back, what the % thing is, like 119% | May 03 08:17 |
schestowitz-TR | it basically goes up over time | May 03 08:17 |
schestowitz-TR | like a hea;lth quotient | May 03 08:17 |
schestowitz-TR | it also loogs, in the firmware, number of reboots | May 03 08:17 |
schestowitz-TR | so I can estimate how many times the previous owner reboots | May 03 08:17 |
Techrights-sec | smartmonctl ought to show some wear information, too | May 03 08:18 |
Techrights-sec | if you underprovision the SSD a little, it will last longer | May 03 08:18 |
Techrights-sec | (or so I have read) | May 03 08:18 |
schestowitz-TR | the pi is at 51% (one of the many things I tested this morning), I last backed it up a few days ago | May 03 08:19 |
schestowitz-TR | rianne uses it as a file server too (for her text files, over ssh or fish:// in KDE) | May 03 08:19 |
schestowitz-TR | as I said, a few sanity checks here and there cannot hurt | May 03 08:19 |
schestowitz-TR | afaik, no damage got done, just some 'lost' time due to weird symptoms | May 03 08:19 |
schestowitz-TR | oh, in hindsight I can sum up all the errors I saw as, /tmp has no space left | May 03 08:27 |
schestowitz-TR | but that's part fo root | May 03 08:27 |
schestowitz-TR | in theory I could parttiion debian to give //tmp its own dir | May 03 08:27 |
schestowitz-TR | writing a lot to /tmp might be OK, but not 10gb | May 03 08:27 |
Techrights-sec | ack | May 03 08:32 |
Techrights-sec | I'm not sure what hte recommended best practice is for such large files | May 03 08:32 |
Techrights-sec | One such file in the wrong partition can cause massive trouble | May 03 08:32 |
schestowitz-TR | these files are several times more massive when they come from obs on 'bubi' (elephant name) | May 03 08:35 |
schestowitz-TR | which is why it filled up so fast without me nolticing | May 03 08:35 |
schestowitz-TR | though it does show me the total size on the screen | May 03 08:35 |
schestowitz-TR | each time I make a video | May 03 08:35 |
schestowitz-TR | I just ignored it | May 03 08:35 |
schestowitz-TR | it was showing up for a reason | May 03 08:35 |
schestowitz-TR | I could configure it to wipe out those files when a certain thereshold is exceeded | May 03 08:35 |
schestowitz-TR | you can see preview.sh | May 03 08:35 |
schestowitz-TR | this issue could be a lot more catastrophic | May 03 08:35 |
schestowitz-TR | and so far I've not seen any real damage | May 03 08:35 |
Techrights-sec | find can do conditinoal deletions based on age and size | May 03 08:38 |
Techrights-sec | air gap is best | May 03 08:43 |
Techrights-sec | if the drive is connected, it is ony a copy and not an actual backup | May 03 08:43 |
Techrights-sec | I'd say that distinction applies for the durration of the time the drive | May 03 08:43 |
Techrights-sec | is plugged in | May 03 08:43 |
Techrights-sec | to the system where it is accessible from the system with the original data | May 03 08:43 |
schestowitz-TR | yes, a one liner might do | May 03 08:52 |
schestowitz-TR | if retire that machine this year, I might want to think of a different approach | May 03 08:52 |
schestowitz-TR | my backup drives are disconnected by default | May 03 08:52 |
schestowitz-TR | air-gapped to to speak | May 03 08:52 |
schestowitz-TR | but now the pi is always connected to one | May 03 08:52 |
schestowitz-TR | a better approach would send the mp4s (disposables) to a large external drive | May 03 08:52 |
schestowitz-TR | for my laptops I never back up root | May 03 08:52 |
schestowitz-TR | not enough of value in there | May 03 08:52 |
schestowitz-TR | and those are not servers | May 03 08:52 |
schestowitz-TR | so fast recovery less of an isue | May 03 08:52 |
schestowitz-TR | curiously enough, it turns out any program which relies a lot on /tmp | May 03 08:52 |
schestowitz-TR | it possibly more flaky that one that uses userspace but that depends on which one | May 03 08:52 |
schestowitz-TR | runs out of space or goes R-O | May 03 08:52 |
schestowitz-TR | nobody's backups are perfect, but I think mine are OK | May 03 08:52 |
schestowitz-TR | for the sites I rely too much on RAID and on you | May 03 08:52 |
schestowitz-TR | we got some traffic yesterday until Microsoft employees ganged up and censored it | May 03 08:52 |
schestowitz-TR | details in IRC logs | May 03 08:52 |
Techrights-sec | checking | May 03 09:01 |
Techrights-sec | HN is controlled if not outright owned by microsofters | May 03 09:01 |
Techrights-sec | "[flagged] Why People Should Never Ever Use DuckDuckGo (2020) (techrights.org)" | May 03 09:01 |
Techrights-sec | lots of M$ drivel and shills | May 03 09:01 |
Techrights-sec | in the comments there | May 03 09:01 |
schestowitz-TR | I did not even bother reading those | May 03 09:02 |
schestowitz-TR | but you can see hints | May 03 09:03 |
schestowitz-TR | we really should never rely on censored medium like this | May 03 09:03 |
schestowitz-TR | sites are better off isolation from the 'Controlled Web' | May 03 09:03 |
schestowitz-TR | the 'echo chamber' of the business owners | May 03 09:03 |
Techrights-sec | in some threads nearly all the comments are from shills, that is is one example | May 03 09:03 |
Techrights-sec | of many there | May 03 09:03 |
Techrights-sec | What's sad is that average social control media users seem to not see the | May 03 09:03 |
Techrights-sec | shilling for what it is and treat the shilling like grassroots | May 03 09:03 |
Techrights-sec | the HN thread had only a couple legitimate comments the rest from shills | May 03 09:03 |
Techrights-sec | "community manager" | May 03 09:03 |
schestowitz-TR | I did see my first name mentioned sometwhere | May 03 09:04 |
schestowitz-TR | and thought, hang on a sec | May 03 09:04 |
schestowitz-TR | I did not even write this | May 03 09:04 |
schestowitz-TR | it's just a factual list of items | May 03 09:04 |
Techrights-sec | yes they went straight to name calling and casteing apsersions like they | May 03 09:05 |
Techrights-sec | do to RMS | May 03 09:05 |
Techrights-sec | if you state facts, they have no counter except to resort to ad hominem | May 03 09:05 |
schestowitz-TR | it is good when you get used to it | May 03 09:07 |
schestowitz-TR | because you don't give a shit | May 03 09:07 |
schestowitz-TR | and just carry on | May 03 09:07 |
schestowitz-TR | the words they use and the tactics can deter other people from further public participation | May 03 09:07 |
schestowitz-TR | that never worked on me, except maybe (briefly) in 2005 or 2006 | May 03 09:07 |
Techrights-sec | HN also seems designed to allow brigading by shills of all stripes, but | May 03 09:10 |
Techrights-sec | especially microsofters | May 03 09:10 |
Techrights-sec | the idea is not to deter you but to get people to stop reading | May 03 09:10 |
Techrights-sec | like the long campaign against RMS which ramped up > 15 years ago | May 03 09:10 |
Techrights-sec | As long as HN moderators are shills it is hard to set things straight there | May 03 09:10 |
Techrights-sec | and there is no way to correct from within their site, so yes, just ignore | May 03 09:10 |
Techrights-sec | them | May 03 09:10 |
Techrights-sec | and carry on | May 03 09:10 |
schestowitz-TR | same or similar tactics used against fsfe and debian critics | May 03 09:11 |
schestowitz-TR | there were several attempts to take down my twitter account last year | May 03 09:11 |
schestowitz-TR | which almost succeeded | May 03 09:11 |
schestowitz-TR | that can lead to an escalation of tone or tactics, hence | May 03 09:11 |
schestowitz-TR | self-fulfilling prophecy like a cycle of violence | May 03 09:11 |
Techrights-sec | yep | May 03 09:18 |
Techrights-sec | speaking of violence, with the war in Europe escallating so rapidly, | May 03 09:18 |
Techrights-sec | the repercussions for allowing microsofters to go unaddressedd will | May 03 09:18 |
Techrights-sec | be rubbed in peoole's faces ,but the question is whether the individual | May 03 09:18 |
Techrights-sec | nation states have waited too long and allowed too many saboteurs to spread | May 03 09:18 |
Techrights-sec | out and get established and dug in, having replaced IT people around the | May 03 09:18 |
Techrights-sec | continent with their own hostile flunkies | May 03 09:18 |
schestowitz-TR | one example we currently write about is SaM | May 03 09:21 |
schestowitz-TR | in videos I keep reminding people SaM works for Microsoft | May 03 09:21 |
schestowitz-TR | for USA | May 03 09:21 |
schestowitz-TR | not for belarus | May 03 09:21 |
schestowitz-TR | and not for EPO for that matter | May 03 09:21 |
schestowitz-TR | a lot of people don't know the VAR/reseller/MSP mindset and business model | May 03 09:21 |
schestowitz-TR | they're partly salespeople | May 03 09:21 |
schestowitz-TR | even lobbyists | May 03 09:21 |
schestowitz-TR | they might employ some coders | May 03 09:21 |
schestowitz-TR | but most of the code just comes as binaries from another nation | May 03 09:21 |
schestowitz-TR | and thye pocket money for the disruption they cause | May 03 09:21 |
schestowitz-TR | like outsisourcing SUPER-IMPORTANT EPO data to Microsoft | May 03 09:21 |
schestowitz-TR | EU turns a blind eye, partly because it too is culpable | May 03 09:21 |
schestowitz-TR | now they have a new word for outsourcing: transformation | May 03 09:21 |
schestowitz-TR | or "clown" | May 03 09:21 |
schestowitz-TR | among others | May 03 09:21 |
schestowitz-TR | it's the "smart" thing to do | May 03 09:21 |
schestowitz-TR | Why do you NOT send your data to the clown YET? | May 03 09:21 |
schestowitz-TR | Why are you still using server and keep the data local? | May 03 09:21 |
schestowitz-TR | what if... | May 03 09:21 |
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qa2 | who's SaM? | May 03 10:48 |
schestowitz-TR | it's a firm in minsk | May 03 10:52 |
schestowitz-TR | see: SaM Solutions, the EPO‘s outsourcing partner, is subjected to rules of the dictator, not just the dictator Campinos who pretends to have sanctioned Belarus http://techrights.org/2022/05/03/sam-solutions-lukashenko/ | May 03 10:52 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | SaM Solutions Controlled — and Still ‘Regulated’ — by Lukashenko’s Regime | Techrights | May 03 10:52 | |
schestowitz-TR | Techrights-sec: | May 03 10:52 |
schestowitz-TR | correct me if IU am off my roicker | May 03 10:52 |
schestowitz-TR | SSD ensures | May 03 10:52 |
schestowitz-TR | 1) less torage capacity, henmce more clown | May 03 10:52 |
schestowitz-TR | 2) shorter lifetime for storage devices, hence more sale | May 03 10:52 |
schestowitz-TR | is this | May 03 10:52 |
schestowitz-TR | a) true? | May 03 10:52 |
qa2 | ok, thanks! | May 03 10:52 |
schestowitz-TR | b) intentional? | May 03 10:52 |
schestowitz-TR | qa2: we do a series about it | May 03 10:53 |
schestowitz-TR | so far about 30 posts inc. memes and videos | May 03 10:53 |
schestowitz | x https://www.mediaite.com/donald-trump/chomsky-calls-trump-the-one-western-statesman-who-laid-out-sensible-plan-for-addressing-russia-ukraine-crisis/ | May 03 10:56 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.mediaite.com | Noam Chomsky: Donald Trump Has 'Sensible' Plan for Russia | May 03 10:56 | |
schestowitz | # :( chomsky is done and has lost the plot, threatening to undo his years of good work | May 03 10:56 |
schestowitz-TR | chomsky condemned trump countless times, calling him the biggest threat. it would be interesting to hear what he said and in what context | May 03 10:57 |
schestowitz-TR | I did not click mediaite because I do not trust the site | May 03 10:57 |
schestowitz-TR | maybe there is more context with a "but" in it | May 03 10:58 |
schestowitz-TR | but either way, chomsky is no apologist of Trump | May 03 10:58 |
schestowitz | # tips@dailymail.com ? for EPO scandal coverage? | May 03 10:58 |
schestowitz-TR | haha, IF they covered it, that would only DISCREDIT the reporting :- | May 03 10:59 |
schestowitz-TR | and make it seems like loons and anti-EU people condemn EPO crimes | May 03 10:59 |
schestowitz | x https://christine.website/blog/nix-flakes-4-wsl-2022-05-01 | May 03 11:00 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-christine.website | Nix Flakes on WSL - Xe | May 03 11:00 | |
schestowitz | # she has sold out, apparently | May 03 11:00 |
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schestowitz | https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=165154330204355&w=2 | May 03 11:10 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-marc.info | 'Improvements to 'talk'' - MARC | May 03 11:10 | |
schestowitz | " | May 03 11:10 |
schestowitz | Hello, | May 03 11:10 |
schestowitz | I have created a patch for the 'talk' program that does the following: | May 03 11:10 |
schestowitz | - Add the -t option for logging sessions to a transcript file | May 03 11:10 |
schestowitz | " | May 03 11:10 |
schestowitz | x https://www.thefastmode.com/technology-solutions/24600-sas-microsoft-to-build-deep-technology-integrations-for-advanced-health-analytics | May 03 11:11 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.thefastmode.com | SAS, Microsoft to Build Deep Technology Integrations for Advanced Health Analytics | May 03 11:11 | |
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Techrights-sec | what is the context for 1) and 2) there? | May 03 12:16 |
Techrights-sec | Just guessing, I would say that oboard storage capacities are lowered | May 03 12:16 |
Techrights-sec | intentionally to try to push fools into hosted storage, aka "cloud", for | May 03 12:16 |
Techrights-sec | personal files | May 03 12:16 |
Techrights-sec | 1) generally tru | May 03 12:22 |
Techrights-sec | 2) quite true, especially if left unpowered | May 03 12:22 |
Techrights-sec | b) probably both accidental and intentional, but there is little incentive | May 03 12:22 |
Techrights-sec | for them to fix the problem so it is as good as intentional | May 03 12:22 |
Techrights-sec | https://www.ionos.com/digitalguide/server/security/ssd-life-span/ | May 03 12:24 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-SSD life span: How long does an SSD last? Are there any signs of failure? - IONOS | May 03 12:24 | |
schestowitz-TR | "Announced almost 4 years ago, Nimbus Data set out to produce and sell a Solid State Drive (SSD) that was 100 Terabytes (TB) in size. It is called the ExaDrive." https://koutoupis.com/2022/05/02/nimbus-and-the-forever-lasting-ssd-is-it-cost-effective/ | May 03 12:24 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-koutoupis.com | Nimbus and the Forever Lasting SSD: Is it cost effective? – Random [Tech] Stuff | May 03 12:24 | |
Techrights-sec | https://www.extremetech.com/computing/205382-ssds-can-lose-data-in-as-little-as-7-days-without-power | May 03 12:26 |
Techrights-sec | "cloud" isn't any better since there have been quite a few published incidents | May 03 12:26 |
Techrights-sec | of losing data, but hard to find hard data on just how frequently that happens | May 03 12:26 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-SSDs can lose data in as little as 7 days without power - ExtremeTech | May 03 12:26 | |
schestowitz-TR | data loss comes in many forms | May 03 12:27 |
schestowitz-TR | -service shutdown | May 03 12:27 |
schestowitz-TR | fees (vimeo) | May 03 12:27 |
schestowitz-TR | new copouts | May 03 12:27 |
schestowitz-TR | etc etc. | May 03 12:27 |
schestowitz-TR | the point is, you will never be ion true control of the data | May 03 12:27 |
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Techrights-sec | bits flipping can destroy a whole file or tarball or perhaps even an encrypted | May 03 12:28 |
Techrights-sec | partition | May 03 12:28 |
Techrights-sec | otr: here they didn't even try nor did they send an e-mail nor an sms | May 03 12:32 |
Techrights-sec | otr: I had to find out by checking the online tracking service | May 03 12:32 |
schestowitz-TR | I have parts 12 and 13 ready (re belarus) | May 03 12:41 |
schestowitz-TR | I put them in /tmp | May 03 12:41 |
schestowitz-TR | 14 will probably be last, and mostly a summary | May 03 12:41 |
schestowitz-TR | I am currently experimenting with a new time management approach | May 03 12:41 |
schestowitz-TR | it started poorly due to / (root) silently running out of space, but pace | May 03 12:41 |
schestowitz-TR | has been OK since | May 03 12:41 |
schestowitz-TR | EPO is gradually being privatised and quqlity of work/workers/service lowered | May 03 12:44 |
schestowitz-TR | of course part of that is just lying about |customer experience| etc. | May 03 12:44 |
Techrights-sec | Yes, the privatisation scam is hitting the EPO, soon they will move to | May 03 12:47 |
Techrights-sec | financialization and patents won't even be a charade / fascade, they | May 03 12:47 |
Techrights-sec | will simply spend all their time and money "investing" in stocks | May 03 12:47 |
Techrights-sec | all the while declaring themselves a patent office | May 03 12:47 |
Techrights-sec | https://scholarworks.umass.edu/sociol_faculty_pubs/6/ | May 03 12:48 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-scholarworks.umass.edu | "Beware Financialization, Attractive and Dangerous, but Mostly Dangerou" by Donald Tomaskovic-Devey | May 03 12:48 | |
schestowitz-TR | "Algospeak is practiced by all types of social media users" ☛ https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/05/tracking-exposed-demanding-gods-explain-themselves | Source: EFF | May 03 13:10 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.eff.org | Tracking Exposed: Demanding That the Gods Explain Themselves | Electronic Frontier Foundation | May 03 13:10 | |
schestowitz-TR | so there is already a name for it | May 03 13:11 |
schestowitz-TR | this is what it talked about the other day | May 03 13:11 |
schestowitz-TR | I stopped using this "dialect" when I quit ALL social control media | May 03 13:11 |
schestowitz-TR | I'm beter off for it | May 03 13:11 |
schestowitz-TR | self-censorship and 'SEO' isn't for IRC | May 03 13:11 |
Techrights-sec | behaivor will change any time there is reward and punishment for choices | May 03 13:12 |
Techrights-sec | in this caise it is choice of words, phrases, and even whole topics | May 03 13:12 |
Techrights-sec | yes, the result is self-censorship. | May 03 13:12 |
Techrights-sec | Ah, good, it is a post by Cory. | May 03 13:12 |
Techrights-sec | I hope the others there start to listen to him or at least read his posts and | May 03 13:12 |
Techrights-sec | take to heart the core messages | May 03 13:12 |
schestowitz-TR | I reckon sooner or later you will be banned from twitter for using terms like | May 03 13:14 |
schestowitz-TR | "genderphobia" or anything that represents any counterargument | May 03 13:14 |
schestowitz-TR | to factors leveraged to destabilise society and take heat off the oligarchy | May 03 13:14 |
schestowitz-TR | btw, cory still works for elon musk | May 03 13:17 |
schestowitz-TR | so does fsf | May 03 13:21 |
schestowitz-TR | I never understood why they came there in the first place | May 03 13:21 |
schestowitz-TR | maybe the idea of johns | May 03 13:21 |
schestowitz-TR | and it took them like a year to point ut twitter now REQUIRES proprietary software | May 03 13:22 |
schestowitz-TR | (JS) | May 03 13:22 |
schestowitz-TR | Techrihgts had written about this problem several times by then | May 03 13:22 |
schestowitz-TR | and IIRC, that was the point I had already gone "write-only" | May 03 13:22 |
schestowitz-TR | what we saw in 2019 is fsf and eff moving into the realms of algospeak | May 03 13:22 |
schestowitz-TR | saying anything at all about epstein is "supporting pedophilia" | May 03 13:22 |
schestowitz-TR | meeting epstein himself in secret, even in prison, is "peace nobel prize" | May 03 13:22 |
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Techrights-sec | :/ | May 03 13:40 |
Techrights-sec | also when twitter when to a non-chronological timeline, the operant conditioning | May 03 13:40 |
Techrights-sec | really began in earnest | May 03 13:40 |
Techrights-sec | as people modify their speech, written at first then IRL following, to please | May 03 13:40 |
Techrights-sec | the black box | May 03 13:40 |
schestowitz-TR | DENY box | May 03 13:40 |
schestowitz-TR | more words you cannot say | May 03 13:40 |
schestowitz-TR | they will remove those words and push to main | May 03 13:40 |
schestowitz-TR | <techrights-news> If you want free speech, quit Twitter and run your site ☛ https://www.techdirt.com/2022/05/02/elon-musks-twitter-business-model-idea-ignore-free-speech-rights-and-try-to-the-charge-media-to-quote-tweets/ | Source: Techdirt | May 03 13:41 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Elon Musk’s Twitter Business Model Idea: Ignore Free Speech Rights And Try To The Charge Media To Quote Tweets | Techdirt | May 03 13:41 | |
Techrights-sec | :/ | May 03 13:49 |
Techrights-sec | yes, and the powers that be see that and move a little further each towards | May 03 13:49 |
Techrights-sec | making self-hosting impossible; | May 03 13:49 |
Techrights-sec | case in point: notice how the web browsers have started treating self-signed | May 03 13:49 |
Techrights-sec | certificates; the attititude seems to be that no institution should have | May 03 13:49 |
Techrights-sec | the audacity to stand for their authenticity of their own site(s) | May 03 13:49 |
Techrights-sec | it's about control as much as spying | May 03 13:49 |
schestowitz-TR | did you see how yesterday canonical was pushing AZURE | May 03 13:49 |
schestowitz-TR | as "CONFIDENTIAL computing"? | May 03 13:49 |
schestowitz-TR | I could vomit! | May 03 13:49 |
Techrights-sec | yes ans so is Raspberry Pi Foundation | May 03 13:49 |
schestowitz-TR | I am really not happy with the way the Net is going | May 03 13:56 |
schestowitz-TR | but I also also hopeful | May 03 13:56 |
schestowitz-TR | because I see teens who grew up into the Net who are not happy either | May 03 13:56 |
schestowitz-TR | also people in their 20s who help TR | May 03 13:56 |
schestowitz-TR | they don't like what happens around them and they begin to understand why | May 03 13:56 |
schestowitz-TR | and that other ways exist | May 03 13:56 |
schestowitz-TR | of course social control media will obstruct such messages | May 03 13:56 |
schestowitz-TR | and try to sell something "news" | May 03 13:56 |
schestowitz-TR | "new" | May 03 13:56 |
schestowitz-TR | now, regarding press, that's a trickeier one | May 03 13:58 |
schestowitz-TR | there's a battle between distributions mode | May 03 13:58 |
schestowitz-TR | net neutrality, centralisation, plagiarism etc. | May 03 13:58 |
schestowitz-TR | I used to be very unhappy about it | May 03 13:58 |
schestowitz-TR | the coping mechanism is, over time, come to grips with it being an opportunity | May 03 13:58 |
schestowitz-TR | if nobody else does the job right (like giving the voice to the oppressed and to WBers) | May 03 13:58 |
schestowitz-TR | then you feel the gap | May 03 13:58 |
schestowitz-TR | *fill it, too | May 03 13:58 |
schestowitz-TR | we still have material in store | May 03 13:58 |
schestowitz-TR | banning self-hosting would be like banning consumption of alcohol (which happened) | May 03 14:03 |
Techrights-sec | ack | May 03 14:05 |
Techrights-sec | not really, it creates more opportunities for surveillance and control but | May 03 14:05 |
Techrights-sec | at the same time it raises prices | May 03 14:05 |
Techrights-sec | should www.mediaite.com be considered junk or not? | May 03 14:05 |
schestowitz-TR | I got this site a lot from gulag noise around 5 years ago when I was looking for some political "content" | May 03 14:06 |
schestowitz-TR | it was always establishment trash, search for that domain in techrights and see if you can find worthy | May 03 14:06 |
schestowitz-TR | material from them | May 03 14:06 |
schestowitz-TR | they can 'do an RMS' on Chomsky | May 03 14:06 |
schestowitz-TR | it's an easy game to play | May 03 14:06 |
schestowitz-TR | RMS <3 Epstein | May 03 14:06 |
schestowitz-TR | Chomsky <3 Trump | May 03 14:06 |
schestowitz-TR | even though the exact opposite is true | May 03 14:06 |
schestowitz-TR | <techrights-news> "Imagine that the sum of consumption spending, investment, and government spending increased at 2.7 percent annual rate in the quarter (which they did)." ☛ https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/05/02/the-surge-in-imports-and-the-drop-in-gdp-offloading-the-ships-lined-up-offshore/ | Source: Counter Punch | May 03 14:07 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-The Surge in Imports and the Drop in GDP: Offloading the Ships Lined Up Offshore - CounterPunch.org | May 03 14:07 | |
Techrights-sec | https://en.unesco.org/commemorations/worldpressfreedomday | May 03 14:07 |
Techrights-sec | ack | May 03 14:07 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-en.unesco.org | World Press Freedom Day | May 03 14:07 | |
schestowitz-TR | my cheat cheat (mental) | May 03 14:13 |
schestowitz-TR | - less energy | May 03 14:13 |
schestowitz-TR | (my friend Mike says he and Saraah pay 250 pounds per month for energy, he could NOT BELIEVE rianne and I pay | May 03 14:13 |
schestowitz-TR | less than 100, with 8 PCs turned on 24/7) | May 03 14:13 |
schestowitz-TR | - less buying (do I need this? canm I reuse something we have already?) | May 03 14:13 |
schestowitz-TR | - fidn ways to entertain at home (rianne still watches 'oo much' gulagtube | May 03 14:13 |
schestowitz-TR | but thankfully librewolf blocks all the trash... FOR NOW) | May 03 14:13 |
schestowitz-TR | there are other things, but the above helps us keep bills, inc. home, at around 750 a month | May 03 14:13 |
schestowitz-TR | *cheat sheet (typo) | May 03 14:13 |
schestowitz-TR | apropos, gulagtube | May 03 14:13 |
schestowitz-TR | rianne loves watching farmers | May 03 14:13 |
schestowitz-TR | with their channels on very ordinary lives in villeges | May 03 14:13 |
schestowitz-TR | their number of views plunged | May 03 14:13 |
schestowitz-TR | they aren't into tech, they just have a "phone" | May 03 14:13 |
schestowitz-TR | so they don't understand what's happening | May 03 14:13 |
schestowitz-TR | people can blame themselves for actions of millionaires in California | May 03 14:13 |
Techrights-sec | reduce, reuse, recycle | May 03 14:13 |
schestowitz-TR | nearly done with links now; new routine: 1) clean general news, work on articles | May 03 14:15 |
schestowitz-TR | 2) clean linux-centric news after rianne, then again articles, sleep in between for mental breaks | May 03 14:15 |
schestowitz-TR | young people are trained to speak in buttons and emojis | May 03 14:18 |
schestowitz-TR | you don't even need to type in like | May 03 14:18 |
schestowitz-TR | that's partly the fault of the devices promoted to people | May 03 14:18 |
schestowitz-TR | they can choose a picture fastr or click an "up yours" 9x9 pixelspace | May 03 14:18 |
schestowitz-TR | but there are exceptions and the exceptions are those driving change in society | May 03 14:18 |
schestowitz-TR | mmost people are 'clickfarmers' | May 03 14:18 |
schestowitz-TR | (or pinch, scroll, zoon... not productive activities, no actual output, just consumption) | May 03 14:18 |
Techrights-sec | the buttons and emojis have shifting ephemeral meanings, changing week by week | May 03 14:19 |
Techrights-sec | so the noise they are used to produce is meaningless even in the short term | May 03 14:19 |
Techrights-sec | and is only about captivating attention for "engagement" | May 03 14:19 |
Techrights-sec | clickfarm livestock emit behaviors for harvesting | May 03 14:19 |
Techrights-sec | AAthey are not the product, their emitted behaviors are the product, | May 03 14:19 |
Techrights-sec | they are just the host or substrate for the actual product | May 03 14:19 |
schestowitz-TR | it happened before in history | May 03 14:22 |
schestowitz-TR | it comes and goes in waves | May 03 14:22 |
schestowitz-TR | to avoid being eliminated you need to know how to play the 'games' | May 03 14:22 |
schestowitz-TR | I explained this yesterdaay to a friend | May 03 14:22 |
schestowitz-TR | who is exceeedingly concerned about what he called "cancel culture" | May 03 14:22 |
schestowitz-TR | ethereum founder recently spoke about it as well, I can send you the | May 03 14:22 |
schestowitz-TR | video, he's an interesting led, never mind if the "coins" are | May 03 14:22 |
schestowitz-TR | garbage | May 03 14:22 |
schestowitz-TR | *interesting lad | May 03 14:22 |
Techrights-sec | ack | May 03 14:22 |
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schestowitz-TR | this year mayday happens thrice | May 03 15:15 |
schestowitz-TR | very slow news day so far | May 03 15:15 |
schestowitz-TR | even rianne is struggling | May 03 15:16 |
Techrights-sec | there was one article about that phenomenon, even naming stenographers as part | May 03 15:18 |
Techrights-sec | of the problem | May 03 15:18 |
schestowitz-TR | I'm "ok" (not) with it, except it makes it hard for me to find good topics to cover | May 03 15:18 |
schestowitz-TR | I have to find "leads" on my own | May 03 15:18 |
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Techrights-sec | As we discussed before, sifting through RSS feeds is quite time consuming. | May 03 15:24 |
Techrights-sec | It can't be automated for many feeds because the words and phrases present | May 03 15:24 |
Techrights-sec | are not necessarily the exact topic covered in a given post. Even the automated | May 03 15:24 |
Techrights-sec | feeds are (mostly) just a guess, though some of them are rather good most of | May 03 15:24 |
Techrights-sec | the time because those particular feeds are written very consistently to | May 03 15:24 |
Techrights-sec | summarize in a particular part of the document each timme | May 03 15:24 |
Techrights-sec | ^time | May 03 15:24 |
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schestowitz-TR | atm I still do in tadem the feeds from quiterss and the text file, until I get comfortable enough turning them off | May 03 15:28 |
schestowitz-TR | so far, so good | May 03 15:28 |
schestowitz-TR | it does | May 03 15:28 |
schestowitz-TR | save time | May 03 15:28 |
schestowitz-TR | esp. in feeds that rarely have anything major in them | May 03 15:28 |
schestowitz-TR | which means that manual cherry-picking isn't so important | May 03 15:28 |
schestowitz-TR | sadly, a large proportion of all feeds are like that | May 03 15:28 |
schestowitz-TR | we used to have sites such as linux.com and groklaw | May 03 15:28 |
schestowitz-TR | those did have some good material | May 03 15:28 |
schestowitz-TR | now I'm sifting through low-quality howto sites, some with poior english (india), | May 03 15:28 |
schestowitz-TR | and then there's the stuff which comes from Google, which either 'insults' | May 03 15:28 |
schestowitz-TR | what I am searching for or presents some very lousy non-investigative piece of crap | May 03 15:28 |
schestowitz-TR | x announced y | May 03 15:28 |
schestowitz-TR | z version N released | May 03 15:28 |
schestowitz-TR | time 10 | May 03 15:28 |
schestowitz-TR | for ubuntt, times 100 | May 03 15:28 |
schestowitz-TR | so it's mostly a clustering job | May 03 15:28 |
schestowitz-TR | not even studying pertinent pieces of unique info | May 03 15:28 |
schestowitz-TR | there used to be a lot more reviews of distros online | May 03 15:28 |
schestowitz-TR | I am guessing lack of traffic that they receive have decreased the incentive to produce them | May 03 15:28 |
Techrights-sec | distro reviews depend on people being able to to choose or wanting to choose | May 03 15:30 |
Techrights-sec | and new computers are getting locked into vista11 and old computers are | May 03 15:30 |
Techrights-sec | mostly already in use. The general public does not know about anything, even | May 03 15:30 |
Techrights-sec | vista10/11, and would not know what to make of the article should they even | May 03 15:30 |
Techrights-sec | see it. Also the desktop market is declining in comparison to the handset | May 03 15:30 |
Techrights-sec | market. | May 03 15:30 |
schestowitz-TR | sales in both are decreeasing, b ut that's a good thing | May 03 15:31 |
schestowitz-TR | also, reuse does favour gnu/linux | May 03 15:31 |
schestowitz-TR | esp. in poorer countries | May 03 15:32 |
Techrights-sec | There it's technically Linux albeit closed off for 85% and FOSS but | May 03 15:32 |
Techrights-sec | proprietary for the remaining 15%. | May 03 15:32 |
Techrights-sec | Reuse of desktops would favor GNU/Linux. It is already dominant in the server | May 03 15:32 |
Techrights-sec | market | May 03 15:32 |
schestowitz-TR | the wahat market??? Oh, the clown! | May 03 15:32 |
Techrights-sec | embedded, and supercomputers. | May 03 15:34 |
Techrights-sec | Yes, that is another threat: clown computing; It's another way of | May 03 15:34 |
Techrights-sec | decommoditizing GNU/Linux. AWS "skills" won't transfer to Google or the | May 03 15:34 |
Techrights-sec | others and vice versa. A few still allow for raw SSH connections but | May 03 15:34 |
Techrights-sec | those days are probably numbered. | May 03 15:34 |
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schestowitz-TR | fsf has done too little on this matter (rms does talk about it), maybe aas it is seen as a "lesse evil" | May 03 15:37 |
schestowitz-TR | because gnu is in there, unlike android | May 03 15:37 |
schestowitz-TR | but they need to deal more with concepts and not brands | May 03 15:37 |
schestowitz-TR | rms is bettere at that | May 03 15:37 |
schestowitz-TR | notice they are failing to set an example on social control media | May 03 15:37 |
schestowitz-TR | still not a single statement onon musk buying the site which mandates proprietary softwar ( | May 03 15:37 |
schestowitz-TR | (wanand which fsf uses for "outreach") | May 03 15:37 |
Techrights-sec | I see much of that problem coming from the LF and it's implied encouragement | May 03 15:38 |
Techrights-sec | of GPL violations. | May 03 15:38 |
schestowitz-TR | (sometimes the mute buttons still work [existing blunders notwithstanding] so I can laugh with rianne | May 03 15:39 |
schestowitz-TR | when the CEO says we can get AWS "certified" and the company would help with that) | May 03 15:39 |
Techrights-sec | ack | May 03 15:42 |
schestowitz-TR | joke: what doy you call the twitter blue tick now? Musk certified (not verified). | May 03 15:42 |
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Techrights-sec | the tick has always been an endorsement, nothing more, nothing less, and | May 03 15:56 |
Techrights-sec | specifically a political endorsement in most cases | May 03 15:56 |
schestowitz-TR | Remember that Jack started Twitter and it was not always clownville or peer support of mob assembly | May 03 16:04 |
schestowitz-TR | Roy Schestowitz (tick) it/it (east my shorts) | May 03 16:04 |
schestowitz-TR | that started happening maybe 5 years ago | May 03 16:04 |
schestowitz-TR | when you also had the (((echo))) crowd and various other nefarious groups | May 03 16:04 |
schestowitz-TR | Pieter H left the platform around that time | May 03 16:04 |
schestowitz-TR | seeing what it had become | May 03 16:04 |
schestowitz-TR | Twitter looked infantile to me before I joined it | May 03 16:08 |
schestowitz-TR | it looks like making the Web a SMS service, which is actually what it is | May 03 16:08 |
schestowitz-TR | this is where Jack Dorsey came from | May 03 16:08 |
schestowitz-TR | and why he implemented it this way | May 03 16:08 |
schestowitz-TR | and then they go some high-profile adopters turning this silly tor/experiment (like bitcoin) | May 03 16:08 |
schestowitz-TR | into a real thing | May 03 16:08 |
schestowitz-TR | and reporters thought it would be a good idea to upload their material and write articles into | May 03 16:08 |
schestowitz-TR | "tweets" | May 03 16:08 |
schestowitz-TR | youcan find articles | May 03 16:08 |
schestowitz-TR | you cannot find tweets, certainly not context in them | May 03 16:08 |
schestowitz-TR | /s/tor/toy/ | May 03 16:08 |
Techrights-sec | dunno. twitter was always useless even during its best years at the beginning | May 03 16:08 |
Techrights-sec | also the signal to noise ratio - there were a few MB of crap, includign | May 03 16:08 |
Techrights-sec | javascripts, to wrap a stupi 140 characters for each and every post | May 03 16:08 |
Techrights-sec | that's correct, the old tweets are not "discoverable". | May 03 16:08 |
schestowitz-TR | this is partly a design choice | May 03 16:10 |
schestowitz-TR | they derank for age | May 03 16:10 |
schestowitz-TR | and promote recently | May 03 16:10 |
schestowitz-TR | it give illusion of greater impact ooverall | May 03 16:10 |
schestowitz-TR | to entice more Musk-certified slaves | May 03 16:10 |
Techrights-sec | yes even from the beginning the "tweets' were always without contexxt | May 03 16:10 |
Techrights-sec | the goal is not communication but addiction and monopolization of attention | May 03 16:10 |
Techrights-sec | ack | May 03 16:22 |
schestowitz-TR | brb tea | May 03 16:26 |
schestowitz-TR | (rianne is out, will buy coffee, I miss brewing it) | May 03 16:26 |
schestowitz-TR | back now | May 03 16:26 |
schestowitz-TR | I use the dining room as an office now, so it's right next to the food, a wall apart | May 03 16:26 |
schestowitz-TR | a a plus and a minus | May 03 16:26 |
schestowitz-TR | I have meanwhile come to realise that phoronix descended into a format I strongly dislike | May 03 16:26 |
schestowitz-TR | it's basically hardware adds with "Kernel Trap" (the old Web site)-like editorials | May 03 16:26 |
schestowitz-TR | you pick some kernel mailing list message or commit found in it | May 03 16:26 |
schestowitz-TR | then write some blurb about it | May 03 16:26 |
schestowitz-TR | until the next 'review" (ad) | May 03 16:26 |
Techrights-sec | don't spill | May 03 16:26 |
Techrights-sec | :( | May 03 16:26 |
Techrights-sec | I forgot about Phoronix | May 03 16:26 |
schestowitz-TR | thinss on the desk are always being repositoned to make spills very improbable | May 03 16:29 |
schestowitz-TR | the teapot is at the back, need to get up to refill | May 03 16:29 |
schestowitz-TR | the mug is far from the laptops | May 03 16:29 |
schestowitz-TR | re phoronix | May 03 16:29 |
schestowitz-TR | I hardly find much of use there | May 03 16:29 |
schestowitz-TR | I felt bad for michael | May 03 16:29 |
schestowitz-TR | being treated like shit in reddit and lxer | May 03 16:29 |
schestowitz-TR | but he let me down very badly | May 03 16:29 |
schestowitz-TR | so I used to link to almost everything he posted, except "meta" posts | May 03 16:29 |
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Techrights-sec | yes larabel is in a hard spot and it hurt to watch him sell out | May 03 16:32 |
Techrights-sec | one of the reasons he was treated poorly in shit sites like reddit and such | May 03 16:32 |
Techrights-sec | was because he had been doing top quality work in high quantity as well | May 03 16:32 |
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schestowitz-TR | but wait | May 03 16:34 |
schestowitz-TR | that's not alll | May 03 16:34 |
schestowitz-TR | theres'ssssssss moar | May 03 16:34 |
schestowitz-TR | the thing is, he extensively covers a hard-to-grasp area | May 03 16:34 |
schestowitz-TR | one where, had he worked in some cubicle in a digi-farm, he'd earn a lot of money for | May 03 16:34 |
schestowitz-TR | rather than have to beg while working 100+ hours a week | May 03 16:34 |
schestowitz-TR | there are sosme commonalities to what I do | May 03 16:34 |
schestowitz-TR | except afaik he stopped doing "consulting" | May 03 16:34 |
schestowitz-TR | so now it's more like ads, as "reviews" etc. | May 03 16:34 |
schestowitz-TR | I checked comment counts through the front page back on monday and it was lower than before | May 03 16:34 |
schestowitz-TR | with alexa rank dead and people not using "toolbars" in a browser anymore it's just one way you can estimate activi | May 03 16:34 |
schestowitz-TR | ty | May 03 16:34 |
Techrights-sec | there are more dignified ways to make money than "reviews" and ads etc | May 03 16:34 |
Techrights-sec | https://futurism.com/neoscope/volunteer-drinks-dysentery-smoothie-diarrhea-vaccine-research | May 03 16:34 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-futurism.com | Brave Volunteer Drinks “Dysentery Smoothie” to Give Himself “Life-Threatening Diarrhea” | May 03 16:34 | |
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schestowitz-TR | "brave" | May 03 16:37 |
schestowitz-TR | Jackass (MTV) | May 03 16:37 |
schestowitz-TR | you say dignified, but trust me, that's a hard task | May 03 16:37 |
schestowitz-TR | I chatted about my job with my dad in recent days, pension too | May 03 16:38 |
schestowitz-TR | he said, stay there! You're so lucky. | May 03 16:38 |
schestowitz-TR | it's a job for two, and tax rates are thus very low, and the work can be spread among two | May 03 16:38 |
schestowitz-TR | I think fatima helps michael behind the scnes | May 03 16:38 |
schestowitz-TR | he rarely talks about his private left, but she was a breadwinner until the pandemic | May 03 16:38 |
schestowitz-TR | that is "over"... and the "job market" has NEVER BEEN BETTER (thanks, CNN!! Now I feel good) | May 03 16:38 |
schestowitz-TR | /sleft/life/ | May 03 16:38 |
Techrights-sec | yes that is correct, it is work. It's just that the employer is not trustable | May 03 16:38 |
Techrights-sec | and potentially maliciosu | May 03 16:38 |
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schestowitz-TR | the one thing I give credit for, | May 03 16:41 |
schestowitz-TR | the CEO stands up for speech of workers | May 03 16:41 |
schestowitz-TR | (tomorrow you will see the subject covered in relation to SaM, also on Thurs) | May 03 16:41 |
schestowitz-TR | even when pressured | May 03 16:41 |
schestowitz-TR | he's a BSD person | May 03 16:41 |
schestowitz-TR | but I reckon he's not even using BSD anymore | May 03 16:41 |
schestowitz-TR | the clown lunacy is sold as "cost-saving" | May 03 16:41 |
schestowitz-TR | to me, it is reputation-threatening | May 03 16:41 |
schestowitz-TR | clients need people who solve problem | May 03 16:41 |
schestowitz-TR | not people who send the job to other companies, which bag the business | May 03 16:41 |
Techrights-sec | ack | May 03 16:44 |
Techrights-sec | cloud is usually a solution in search of a problem | May 03 16:44 |
Techrights-sec | ack | May 03 16:44 |
schestowitz-TR | to frame it another way, to net and keep a client you need to carry out serevices for them | May 03 16:46 |
schestowitz-TR | not outsource things for them | May 03 16:46 |
schestowitz-TR | because you're done | May 03 16:46 |
schestowitz-TR | but it's not about money | May 03 16:46 |
schestowitz-TR | it's about actually doing the job, not delegating to X Y Z | May 03 16:46 |
schestowitz-TR | where X Y and Z are not you | May 03 16:46 |
schestowitz-TR | the old company domain name is now up for renewal | May 03 16:46 |
schestowitz-TR | let's see what happens | May 03 16:46 |
schestowitz-TR | rianne mentioned the nominey countdown last night | May 03 16:46 |
schestowitz-TR | *nominet | May 03 16:46 |
schestowitz-TR | maybe they can toss all the old domain and put "clown" in there instead | May 03 16:46 |
schestowitz-TR | or "sometimes" | May 03 16:46 |
schestowitz-TR | *old domains | May 03 16:46 |
schestowitz-TR | clown is surveillance and control (see what happens in Ukraine war, not DRM too!) disguised | May 03 16:46 |
schestowitz-TR | as "cost-saving"/"modern" (the future)/"uptime"/"security" (I regard the outsourcing itself to be a breach) | May 03 16:46 |
schestowitz-TR | they keep shuffling the fantasies and false promises around | May 03 16:46 |
schestowitz-TR | depeneing on the audience | May 03 16:46 |
schestowitz-TR | like Team UPC does | May 03 16:46 |
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Techrights-sec | ack | May 03 16:51 |
schestowitz-TR | the triger for rianne wanting to quit was a colleague pushing to move from asterisk (we've always used it, before | May 03 16:51 |
schestowitz-TR | I even joined) to Gulag Voice, which doesn't even work and was recently shut down to make way for | May 03 16:51 |
schestowitz-TR | "modern experience" (all the necessary stuff removed, for business reasons I assume, Gulag's) | May 03 16:51 |
schestowitz-TR | the colleague whom I think pushed for it used to say "Google is your friend" | May 03 16:51 |
schestowitz-TR | His main OS< I think, is Windowsd | May 03 16:51 |
Techrights-sec | asterisk is quite good, in addition to being able to self-host it | May 03 16:52 |
Techrights-sec | not a real tech person at all then. his statements and actions belie that | May 03 16:52 |
Techrights-sec | justa reseller, eventually an M$ reseller | May 03 16:52 |
Techrights-sec | has he come to that yet? | May 03 16:52 |
schestowitz-TR | no, he does not like Microsoft | May 03 16:54 |
schestowitz-TR | it's a peculiar situation | May 03 16:54 |
schestowitz-TR | to make matters worse, he lives with a lesbian couple | May 03 16:54 |
schestowitz-TR | and his former wife sort of swapped partners with him and the other coupe | May 03 16:54 |
schestowitz-TR | so on the personal side of things, two colleagues detect that too | May 03 16:54 |
schestowitz-TR | the lesbians have no clue about GNU/Linux and no qualifiactions in tec | May 03 16:54 |
schestowitz-TR | he shadows for them | May 03 16:54 |
Techrights-sec | :/ covering for unqualified people is never good | May 03 16:54 |
schestowitz-TR | that overurdens him | May 03 16:57 |
schestowitz-TR | *burdens | May 03 16:57 |
schestowitz-TR | and he is not THAT good, he just compensated with hours and passion | May 03 16:57 |
schestowitz-TR | the issue is, we cannot attract, let alone retain, any talented people | May 03 16:58 |
schestowitz-TR | we still had a few years back, but SarinGas scared them all | May 03 16:58 |
schestowitz-TR | and now TheLiar is gaslighting everyone | May 03 16:58 |
schestowitz-TR | we've just collecing or milking | May 03 16:58 |
schestowitz-TR | the latter is the phrase we use | May 03 16:58 |
schestowitz-TR | the former, IIRC, is what my friend said | May 03 16:58 |
schestowitz-TR | it won't last forver, I don't think... | May 03 16:58 |
schestowitz-TR | but we can set aside savings for little effort and we do not get bullied anymore | May 03 16:58 |
schestowitz-TR | SarinGas liked to abuse people, and she often did | May 03 16:58 |
schestowitz-TR | until she got the boot | May 03 16:58 |
Techrights-sec | it's too bad she was there so long, does the current top management know | May 03 16:59 |
Techrights-sec | about her and the other dickhead and have a plan to repair things? | May 03 16:59 |
schestowitz-TR | I came for tech, I stay for popcorn | May 03 17:02 |
schestowitz-TR | when working from home you get to call people name | May 03 17:02 |
schestowitz-TR | and they can never find out | May 03 17:02 |
schestowitz-TR | it makes life a little more sarcastic | May 03 17:02 |
schestowitz-TR | it would be hard to repair things after drain drain | May 03 17:02 |
schestowitz-TR | we had a new young colleague from seoul, who left after he realised a number of | May 03 17:02 |
schestowitz-TR | things in my estimation | May 03 17:02 |
schestowitz-TR | 1) the skill surve is very steep because we have accounts all over the place, at least 3 VPNs | May 03 17:02 |
schestowitz-TR | (we used to use LDAP, even for jabber) | May 03 17:02 |
schestowitz-TR | 2)the slaary is shit, and unless you're fine with (1) you need to spend a lot of time learning | May 03 17:02 |
schestowitz-TR | (there is no good documentation anymore; nobody bothers, either) | May 03 17:02 |
schestowitz-TR | 3) dead end, so why bother with (1)? | May 03 17:02 |
schestowitz-TR | 4) SarinGas and no transparency (well, unless you count lies as such) | May 03 17:02 |
schestowitz-TR | BOTTOM line: if you know what you are doing, you can get 100 pounds (post-tax) | May 03 17:04 |
schestowitz-TR | for about one hour of net work | May 03 17:04 |
schestowitz-TR | That's the only reason several of us stay and have stayed for a long time | May 03 17:04 |
schestowitz-TR | the management cannot afford to lose any of us, it would have a devastating effect | May 03 17:04 |
schestowitz-TR | on operations | May 03 17:04 |
schestowitz-TR | (due to (1) mostly) | May 03 17:04 |
Techrights-sec | beware hot mics | May 03 17:04 |
Techrights-sec | Yes, many companies fail to have a decent process or envrionment to bring | May 03 17:04 |
Techrights-sec | in new people and have them level up; | May 03 17:04 |
schestowitz-TR | in our case (us, rianne & roy, not $company), we've leveraged this to our advantage | May 03 17:08 |
schestowitz-TR | we're like a custom-made home with intercom (landline, 20 pounds 10 years ago), sip phone | May 03 17:08 |
schestowitz-TR | monitoring machines and workflow for collaboration... so doing a shift is easy-peasy | May 03 17:08 |
schestowitz-TR | when you are not on "famous" sites like Musk Social, and colleagues don't know what IRC is, | May 03 17:09 |
schestowitz-TR | you can carry on as usual and sometimes forget you are working | May 03 17:09 |
schestowitz-TR | leaving twitter has that benefit too | May 03 17:09 |
schestowitz-TR | I don't do FB,but I read and hear of people who get in trouble for what they post | May 03 17:09 |
schestowitz-TR | during working hours or what they post on their sick leave (of if "late" for work) | May 03 17:09 |
schestowitz-TR | FB as a service... for bosses | May 03 17:09 |
schestowitz-TR | Tomorrow we cover FB as career ender... for SaM | May 03 17:09 |
schestowitz-TR | I posted a teaser this morning | May 03 17:09 |
schestowitz-TR | btw, all this stuff is OK in public | May 03 17:10 |
schestowitz-TR | it's like insultign amish on live TV | May 03 17:10 |
Techrights-sec | ack | May 03 17:10 |
Techrights-sec | :/ | May 03 17:10 |
schestowitz-TR | side story (nostalgia) | May 03 17:14 |
schestowitz-TR | more than 10 years ago a female colleague whom I won't name set up an IRC channel in freenode (IIRC) to make a | May 03 17:15 |
schestowitz-TR | place for staff to express dissent | May 03 17:15 |
schestowitz-TR | the management found out about it, and this wasn't the last such effort (I'm told) | May 03 17:15 |
schestowitz-TR | it's worse than a union | May 03 17:15 |
schestowitz-TR | one person got sacked over something similar (I was never told the exact details of what had happened) | May 03 17:15 |
schestowitz-TR | the mistake there was, too many people having to keep hushed) | May 03 17:15 |
schestowitz-TR | no anonymity and so on | May 03 17:15 |
schestowitz-TR | rookies | May 03 17:15 |
Techrights-sec | ack | May 03 17:15 |
schestowitz-TR | then, when a blind colleague was sacked (this is legally dynamite) the jabber server was temporarily shut down | May 03 17:15 |
schestowitz-TR | based on obviously BS excuses | May 03 17:15 |
schestowitz-TR | to discourage colleagues talking to one another | May 03 17:15 |
schestowitz-TR | as if they have no mobile phones etc. | May 03 17:15 |
schestowitz-TR | this reminds me of what EPO does to SUEPO | May 03 17:15 |
schestowitz-TR | or Lukashenko with his "brilliant" Internet shutdowns | May 03 17:15 |
schestowitz-TR | the people who do this would also block techrights as if workers live and sleep on the fanctory floor | May 03 17:15 |
schestowitz-TR | not sure if you saw it, but according to a new memoir from a military bigwig the Senile Politician considered order | May 03 17:17 |
schestowitz-TR | ing that protesters be shot | May 03 17:17 |
schestowitz-TR | maybe he never read books on what happens next, or maybe Xi gave up "Kung Flu" right up the head | May 03 17:17 |
schestowitz-TR | [13:03] <techrights-news> Esper's memoir ☛ https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/05/02/trump-wanted-shoot-protesters-says-his-former-pentagon-chief | Source: Common Dreams | May 03 17:19 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.commondreams.org | Trump Wanted to Shoot Protesters, Says His Former Pentagon Chief | May 03 17:19 | |
schestowitz-TR | [17:19] <techrights-news> If you STILL "participate" in Twitter (a Musk-certified slave) you are a fool https://edition.cnn.com/2022/04/28/tech/elon-musk-authenticate-all-real-humans/index.html | May 03 17:21 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-edition.cnn.com | Elon Musk wants to 'authenticate all real humans' on Twitter. Here's what that could mean - CNN | May 03 17:21 | |
schestowitz-TR | [17:19] [Notice] -TechrightsSocial to #boycottnovell-social- edition.cnn.com | Elon Musk wants to 'authenticate all real humans' on Twitter. Here's what that could mean - CNN | May 03 17:21 |
schestowitz-TR | [17:20] <techrights-news> "On Monday, the richest man in the world, Elon Musk, purchased Twitter and assigned himself the most honourable of tasks: saving civilisation as we know it." https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/elon-musk-twitter-palestine-white-saviour | May 03 17:21 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 403 @ https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/elon-musk-twitter-palestine-white-saviour ) | May 03 17:21 | |
schestowitz-TR | bill gates complex | May 03 17:21 |
schestowitz-TR | I. Rich. Therefore. I. Good! | May 03 17:22 |
schestowitz-TR | make me more rich. I make more good. | May 03 17:23 |
schestowitz-TR | "job creators" mindset | May 03 17:23 |
Techrights-sec | ack | May 03 17:23 |
Techrights-sec | yes worship of wealth | May 03 17:23 |
schestowitz-TR | plutophilia | May 03 17:23 |
schestowitz-TR | I cannot find it anymore (did try), but about 15 years ago there were loads of headlines | May 03 17:27 |
schestowitz-TR | saying that Gates had the "mostdesirable" sperm among chinese women | May 03 17:27 |
schestowitz-TR | I cannot find it mostly because the media is now covering up for the Gates divorce | May 03 17:27 |
schestowitz-TR | blaming some schinese interpreter instead of epstein | May 03 17:27 |
schestowitz-TR | melinda maade it very clear that it was about esptein | May 03 17:27 |
schestowitz-TR | but there you go... | May 03 17:27 |
schestowitz-TR | corporate media, googlebombing, reputation laundering etc. | May 03 17:27 |
Techrights-sec | eww | May 03 17:27 |
schestowitz-TR | yes, I did not refine my search, I'd rather not even have entered what I did into that search box, so I carefully | May 03 17:27 |
schestowitz-TR | crafted the string | May 03 17:28 |
schestowitz-TR | hmm... coronavirus portal in the UK not updated since April 29th. It's 17:30 already. BillBC is in full propaganda | May 03 17:29 |
schestowitz-TR | mode, herding people back into their cages in the office | May 03 17:29 |
Techrights-sec | I think that portal or its data is getting phased out. | May 03 17:38 |
schestowitz-TR | they already revised, several times, what they publish and how to make it seem smaller than it is | May 03 17:38 |
schestowitz-TR | as I pointed out at the time | May 03 17:38 |
schestowitz-TR | and it's still the best we have | May 03 17:38 |
schestowitz-TR | billBC ic an insult to one's intelligence | May 03 17:38 |
Techrights-sec | Bill's money at work... | May 03 17:48 |
schestowitz-TR | when I go to bed rianne usually stays up with the laptop on either gulagtube or billbc | May 03 17:53 |
schestowitz-TR | the latter is only good for shits and giggles | May 03 17:53 |
schestowitz-TR | she says she only sees the pictures and headlines, barely clicks | May 03 17:53 |
schestowitz-TR | but to actually get meaningful news out of it is not possible | May 03 17:53 |
schestowitz-TR | it's pollution for the head and nothing of actual importance | May 03 17:53 |
schestowitz-TR | more like TV boradcast but more static | May 03 17:53 |
schestowitz-TR | sooner or later there will be no "creators" left in gulagtube | May 03 17:53 |
schestowitz-TR | not even spamnil | May 03 17:54 |
schestowitz-TR | no incentive to invest the time | May 03 17:54 |
schestowitz-TR | then the site will have no creators but licensors | May 03 17:54 |
schestowitz-TR | for "official" football videos, and adds front, end, and centre | May 03 17:54 |
schestowitz-TR | *ads | May 03 17:54 |
schestowitz-TR | gulag is "in for a shock" if it thinks it can retain viewers this way | May 03 17:54 |
schestowitz-TR | but video hosting is very complex and expensive | May 03 17:54 |
schestowitz-TR | so maybe the idea was, weed out the competition | May 03 17:54 |
schestowitz-TR | thewn start closing | May 03 17:54 |
schestowitz-TR | and put ads everywhere, use dmca etc. (lawyering up) alternative ways of "accessing" | May 03 17:54 |
schestowitz-TR | the "content" | May 03 17:54 |
schestowitz-TR | a lot of "smart" TVs or "screens" have bloted in ads, locked down stuff (not even able | May 03 17:54 |
schestowitz-TR | to bypass expired root cert for web browsing) and Gulag Tube is part of the "expoerience" there | May 03 17:54 |
schestowitz-TR | so the idea is, you will have no choice | May 03 17:54 |
schestowitz-TR | like having to "buy" Windows with any new PC | May 03 17:54 |
Techrights-sec | still exposure to their spin though | May 03 17:56 |
Techrights-sec | it mostly coasts on the reputation from decades past which has been unmaintained | May 03 17:56 |
Techrights-sec | for a very long time | May 03 17:56 |
Techrights-sec | it's squeezing the few remaining to the point they have to leave too | May 03 17:56 |
Techrights-sec | unfortunately M$ has programmed the public to see windoze as part of the computer | May 03 17:56 |
Techrights-sec | especially off the shelf models | May 03 17:56 |
schestowitz-TR | that changed in the past decade because of GA, not the M. | May 03 17:56 |
schestowitz-TR | though those can be no better for freedom, they are just branded differently. | May 03 17:56 |
schestowitz-TR | 'Linux' Foundation sees nothing wrong, in fact it became part of this | May 03 17:56 |
schestowitz-TR | problem. | May 03 17:56 |
schestowitz-TR | [17:59] <techrights-news> The gov. seems to be blocking sales of oil. Shortages foreseen. What a wonderful world, eh? | May 03 18:01 |
schestowitz-TR | COOKIGN oil | May 03 18:03 |
schestowitz-TR | Rianne says they don'd display it | May 03 18:03 |
schestowitz-TR | and media keeps quiet to avoid the panic buyinh | May 03 18:03 |
Techrights-sec | ack | May 03 18:04 |
Techrights-sec | it is long past time to leave petrochemical fuels in the dung heap of history | May 03 18:04 |
Techrights-sec | The new computer have no Windows stickers on them if that's what you mean | May 03 18:04 |
Techrights-sec | and the sales displays usually do not mention either Windows or M$ | May 03 18:04 |
schestowitz-TR | rianne is now taking stock of how many cooking oils we have | May 03 18:06 |
schestowitz-TR | you need to make a special request at the shop to buy those | May 03 18:06 |
schestowitz-TR | "open secret, I guess | May 03 18:06 |
Techrights-sec | yes there is alreay a cooking oil shortage, it will worsen serverely and soon | May 03 18:06 |
Techrights-sec | and probably last a long while | May 03 18:06 |
schestowitz-TR | time to rethink what we cook, how, when.. | May 03 18:07 |
schestowitz-TR | the price are also getting quite high, according to her | May 03 18:07 |
schestowitz-TR | this will harm poor people | May 03 18:07 |
schestowitz-TR | you ned oil for soups, rice etc. | May 03 18:07 |
Techrights-sec | not necessarily, it depends on the method | May 03 18:08 |
schestowitz-TR | right, but the recipes changee a bit | May 03 18:08 |
Techrights-sec | I've not seen such recipes though I can imagine that they are around | May 03 18:08 |
schestowitz-TR | got all set up now with the coffee kits, matching sets | May 03 18:25 |
schestowitz-TR | 1.69 pounds for 227grams, good quality mix, I think (will taste later) | May 03 18:25 |
schestowitz-TR | lots of perople struggling | May 03 18:25 |
schestowitz-TR | this has become "the new normal" | May 03 18:25 |
schestowitz-TR | but you would not know this based on Dick Brandon and Dickie gates' BBC | May 03 18:25 |
schestowitz-TR | they have sections for "lifestyle" IIRC | May 03 18:25 |
schestowitz-TR | just sticking it in to the "working class" (i.e. people who do ALL the actual work) | May 03 18:25 |
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schestowitz-TR | The body does not match the headline https://fsfe.org/news/2022/news-20220503-01.en.html | May 03 18:42 |
schestowitz-TR | Gulag Deutschland (FSFE) tries to spin this as its OWN success story | May 03 18:42 |
schestowitz-TR | it's about HEY HI and the EU | May 03 18:42 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-fsfe.org | European Parliament votes for Free Software in AI resolution – This position must now be included in the AI regulation - FSFE | May 03 18:42 | |
schestowitz-TR | I am sure they did not say "free software" | May 03 18:42 |
schestowitz-TR | and the first sentence suggests something not the same as the headline | May 03 18:42 |
schestowitz-TR | but I am guessing they appeal for donation | May 03 18:42 |
Techrights-sec | ack | May 03 18:49 |
Techrights-sec | The name problem with it calling itself FSFE has not been resolved yet. | May 03 18:49 |
schestowitz-TR | 1) they do not wish for people to know | May 03 18:49 |
schestowitz-TR | 2) or to find out | May 03 18:49 |
schestowitz-TR | 3) they cannot censor TR | May 03 18:49 |
schestowitz-TR | 4) so they have taken aim at things I wrote like a year earlier in Twitter | May 03 18:49 |
schestowitz-TR | 5) they leverages nazi-related laws in Germany | May 03 18:49 |
schestowitz-TR | 6) they managed to hide only one tweet, and only in Germany | May 03 18:49 |
schestowitz-TR | 7) they do promote freedom; that was one of several forces that had me thinking of stopping | May 03 18:49 |
schestowitz-TR | to bother with such time-wasting and emotion-draining proprietary platforms | May 03 18:49 |
schestowitz-TR | 8) later came ICBM with the same tactyics (I assume it was IBM, fronting with genderphobes) | May 03 18:49 |
schestowitz-TR | 9) then OSI, which afaik put me on last strike (week-long suspension, no ability to get my | May 03 18:49 |
schestowitz-TR | appeal processed at all) | May 03 18:49 |
schestowitz-TR | FSF thought it would be in a position of advantage by attacking the real (original) FSFE | May 03 18:49 |
schestowitz-TR | but it does not seem to have gained popularity this way | May 03 18:49 |
schestowitz-TR | worse yet, they have alienated many (like me) who were sympathetic towards both FSFE *AND* | May 03 18:49 |
schestowitz-TR | FSF at the same time | May 03 18:49 |
schestowitz-TR | oops, I reversed FSFE and FSF up above, FSFE was attacking FSF, the opposite never happened | May 03 18:51 |
schestowitz-TR | FSF had more class | May 03 18:51 |
schestowitz-TR | BTW, Phoronix today also struggles to write | May 03 18:51 |
schestowitz-TR | a bunch of photos attacked to some git change logs with dross to dress it up | May 03 18:51 |
schestowitz-TR | and AMD job ad as ARTICLE! | May 03 18:51 |
Techrights-sec | yes FSFE was and kind of still is a problem | May 03 18:51 |
schestowitz-TR | it barely blogs anymore | May 03 18:53 |
schestowitz-TR | I think it is becoming less relevant | May 03 18:53 |
schestowitz-TR | it latches onto news that have nothing to do with its campaign | May 03 18:53 |
schestowitz-TR | I think they try to ensor me because I drove a wedge between them and Gulag teats | May 03 18:53 |
Techrights-sec | Michael lost a lot of people when he made those 'changes' | May 03 18:53 |
schestowitz-TR | I can only judge/estimate/assess by # of comments, which isn't sa reliable measure | May 03 18:54 |
schestowitz-TR | as if can be a closely-knit community like us in IRC | May 03 18:54 |
schestowitz-TR | but not many unique readers. Plus, many readers never comment. | May 03 18:54 |
Techrights-sec | ack | May 03 18:59 |
schestowitz-TR | I fumble for story ideas | May 03 19:01 |
schestowitz-TR | I'm lost | May 03 19:01 |
schestowitz-TR | irc is very busy at the moment | May 03 19:01 |
schestowitz-TR | busier but of better substance or s/n than social control media, just presented differently | May 03 19:01 |
schestowitz-TR | last thing I want to do is publish mindless dross or page fillers | May 03 19:01 |
Techrights-sec | DRM is unfortunately a perrenial topic | May 03 19:04 |
Techrights-sec | that's a rcent example but care has to be taken so that JD cannot spin this as | May 03 19:04 |
Techrights-sec | a good thing; two wrongs don't make a right | May 03 19:04 |
schestowitz-TR | I could comment on the ukraine john deere story, I suppose | May 03 19:05 |
schestowitz-TR | easier in video | May 03 19:05 |
schestowitz-TR | like "chomsky <3 trumputin" | May 03 19:05 |
schestowitz-TR | yes, it's a difficult one, like free sofwtare and sanction | May 03 19:05 |
schestowitz-TR | you either support putin or support the opposition to sofwtare freedom | May 03 19:05 |
schestowitz-TR | hackaday went with a headline suggesting this was a Good THing | May 03 19:05 |
schestowitz-TR | I found that disappointing, but didn't read the whole thing | May 03 19:05 |
schestowitz-TR | [13:24] <techrights-news> Just don't buy 'new' cars ☛ https://hackaday.com/2022/05/02/from-car-to-device-how-software-is-changing-vehicle-ownership/ | Source: Hackaday http://techrights.org/2022/01/02/no-control-over-cars/ | May 03 19:06 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-From Car To Device: How Software Is Changing Vehicle Ownership | Hackaday | May 03 19:06 | |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Index: Loss of Control Over Cars | Techrights | May 03 19:06 | |
schestowitz-TR | [13:23] <techrights-news> Are they glorifying DRM just because "RUSSIA"??? ☛ https://hackaday.com/2022/05/02/for-once-the-long-arm-of-john-deere-presses-the-right-button/ | Source: Hackaday | May 03 19:06 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-For Once, The Long Arm Of John Deere Presses The Right Button | Hackaday | May 03 19:06 | |
Techrights-sec | CNN seems to have the first coverage of the JD drm incidents | May 03 19:08 |
Techrights-sec | the take away is that drm is no longer a theoretical threat it is now a matter | May 03 19:08 |
Techrights-sec | of who is the target, and there can be multiple targets | May 03 19:08 |
Techrights-sec | https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/cgi-bin/uy/webpages.cgi?/logicalfallacies/Two-Wrongs-Make-a-Right | May 03 19:10 |
Techrights-sec | https://thebestschools.org/magazine/15-logical-fallacies-know/ | May 03 19:10 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.logicallyfallacious.com | Two Wrongs Make a Right | May 03 19:10 | |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-15 Logical Fallacies You Should Know Before Getting Into a Debate - TheBestSchools.org | May 03 19:10 | |
schestowitz-TR | putin wrong | May 03 19:11 |
schestowitz-TR | drm wrong | May 03 19:11 |
schestowitz-TR | wrong + wrong = wropng | May 03 19:11 |
schestowitz-TR | wrong x wrong = good | May 03 19:11 |
schestowitz-TR | only minutes ago admfubar (I know the real name) posted the cnn link in the main channel | May 03 19:11 |
schestowitz-TR | I saw the SN coverage | May 03 19:11 |
Techrights-sec | The CNN link is in the daily links either today or tomorow ... checking | May 03 19:13 |
Techrights-sec | today's | May 03 19:13 |
schestowitz-TR | I alreeady posted that in the latest daily links, along with hackaday | May 03 19:13 |
schestowitz-TR | I've not sseen an article debunking this | May 03 19:13 |
schestowitz-TR | if one existed, then it's "chomksy loves vladimir" time | May 03 19:13 |
schestowitz-TR | I am thinking hard how it can be preseted, e.g. in video, without it seeming lame | May 03 19:16 |
schestowitz-TR | or apologists for theft and for vicious 'Red Army' | May 03 19:16 |
schestowitz-TR | it boils down not to DRM but the | May 03 19:16 |
schestowitz-TR | logical fallacies in the media | May 03 19:16 |
schestowitz-TR | and then having to explain what's at stake with drm in general | May 03 19:16 |
Techrights-sec | yes that sums it up | May 03 19:19 |
schestowitz-TR | cost of today's sinner: about 5 pennies | May 03 19:29 |
schestowitz-TR | *dinneer | May 03 19:29 |
schestowitz-TR | I think less than the spoonfull of roast and soy drink inside it | May 03 19:29 |
schestowitz-TR | now I'll think if there's enough material for recording | May 03 19:29 |
schestowitz-TR | the text will be more important | May 03 19:29 |
Techrights-sec | oh buying food not indulgences ;) | May 03 19:29 |
schestowitz-TR | indulgences nowadays do not necessatily mean healthy diet | May 03 19:31 |
schestowitz-TR | more processed food ingredients | May 03 19:31 |
schestowitz-TR | class consciousness always plays a role | May 03 19:31 |
schestowitz-TR | like "air miles" vanity | May 03 19:31 |
schestowitz-TR | the more you spend, the more you will need to work, i.e. do things | May 03 19:31 |
schestowitz-TR | you may not enjoy | May 03 19:31 |
schestowitz-TR | so it's a tradeoff between indulgences | May 03 19:31 |
schestowitz-TR | OTA | May 03 19:32 |
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schestowitz-TR | I have relayed an hours-old email to you | May 03 22:48 |
schestowitz-TR | it's mostly BS talk | May 03 22:48 |
schestowitz-TR | which reaffirmed what we thought about the company going down the bin | May 03 22:48 |
schestowitz-TR | while pretending to be "OK" | May 03 22:48 |
schestowitz-TR | I may need advice on how to exit without losing the rights to compensatiom | May 03 22:48 |
schestowitz-TR | one scenario that I have in mind is | May 03 22:48 |
schestowitz-TR | they declare the outfit in the UK 'insoilvent' | May 03 22:48 |
schestowitz-TR | and then claim the other one is "USA" | May 03 22:48 |
schestowitz-TR | and therefore it's hard to take it to court here | May 03 22:48 |
schestowitz-TR | but maybe I'm thinking too far ahead | May 03 22:48 |
schestowitz-TR | to be clear, our intent to leave did not foresee this at all | May 03 22:48 |
schestowitz-TR | but was motivated purely by a dire stench | May 03 22:48 |
schestowitz-TR | in some sense this is good news as it opens up the potential for compensation | May 03 22:48 |
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