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| schestowitz | > Dear Roy, | Jul 03 01:31 |
| schestowitz | > I usually contact you to send information about the EPO. This mail is | Jul 03 01:31 |
| schestowitz | > different. I read all your posts not only the ones about the patent | Jul 03 01:31 |
| schestowitz | > office. I share 100% you views about proprietary software, about Linux, | Jul 03 01:31 |
| schestowitz | > about corruption, GAFAM, etc... | Jul 03 01:31 |
| schestowitz | > Now, I have just read your last post about DDG, and I feel lost. I | Jul 03 01:31 |
| schestowitz | > switched to DDG a long time ago but I wasn't aware of such privacy | Jul 03 01:31 |
| schestowitz | > issues. Thus, my very simple question is: what can I use instead? | Jul 03 01:31 |
| schestowitz | > And thanks for all time you have invested in unveiling the shamless | Jul 03 01:31 |
| schestowitz | > management style at the EPO. | Jul 03 01:31 |
| schestowitz | Techrights wrote a lot about DDG before it even touched EPO scandals. | Jul 03 01:31 |
| schestowitz | At the moment I use searx because startpage/ixquick sold out: http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Startpage | Jul 03 01:31 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Startpage - Techrights | Jul 03 01:31 | |
| schestowitz | > I am grateful to whomever gave us new data about the redirects. I feel | Jul 03 01:52 |
| schestowitz | > there is a possible misunderstanding here-- one being about when | Jul 03 01:52 |
| schestowitz | > projects move to GitHub vs. when the redirect is created. | Jul 03 01:52 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 03 01:52 |
| schestowitz | > It is always possible that I summarised the situation incorrectly, I | Jul 03 01:52 |
| schestowitz | > don't deny the possibility. It is also possible that I misinterpreted | Jul 03 01:52 |
| schestowitz | > something. It's more likely that I was tired enough to make a | Jul 03 01:52 |
| schestowitz | > generalisation that wasn't accurate-- but I'd have to check a lot of | Jul 03 01:52 |
| schestowitz | > things again to be sure, and honestly what I'm working on instead is | Jul 03 01:52 |
| schestowitz | > probably more important, and related. | Jul 03 01:52 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 03 01:52 |
| schestowitz | > Recent redirects are worse than old ones-- I've certainly made no effort | Jul 03 01:52 |
| schestowitz | > to misrepresent any of the data or effort towards representing it in any | Jul 03 01:52 |
| schestowitz | > way other than accurately. I am assuming for now, the corrections we got | Jul 03 01:52 |
| schestowitz | > were accurate. Though the stress on when projects moved (when this was | Jul 03 01:52 |
| schestowitz | > about redirects, not repo migration which I treat separately) makes me | Jul 03 01:52 |
| schestowitz | > wonder. | Jul 03 01:52 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 03 01:52 |
| schestowitz | > *The main reason I'm saying this is for the two of you.** | Jul 03 01:52 |
| schestowitz | > * | Jul 03 01:52 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 03 01:52 |
| schestowitz | > I'm pretty meticulous about this stuff-- the more data points there are, | Jul 03 01:52 |
| schestowitz | > the more rapidly data is turned into articles, the easier it is for a | Jul 03 01:52 |
| schestowitz | > mistake to get through. One thing I (think I) noticed is that some of | Jul 03 01:52 |
| schestowitz | > the changes to the redirects actually changed the way they worked. | Jul 03 01:52 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 03 01:52 |
| schestowitz | > So just for example, it's possible I found recent changes that I took | Jul 03 01:52 |
| schestowitz | > for first redirects, when the first redirect was created ages ago. | Jul 03 01:52 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 03 01:52 |
| schestowitz | > If I had noticed that I would have mentioned it, but it's possible. If | Jul 03 01:52 |
| schestowitz | > the data is wrong, I was probably just tired and sorry to make a false | Jul 03 01:52 |
| schestowitz | > generalisation or miss one of the details. | Jul 03 01:52 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 03 01:52 |
| schestowitz | > I also want to point out that of course I consider these redirects | Jul 03 01:52 |
| schestowitz | > problematic either way! But they are worse if they're recent, and | Jul 03 01:52 |
| schestowitz | > therefore less terrble if they're older. And however it was phrased, I | Jul 03 01:52 |
| schestowitz | > wouldn't have made the generalisation without an honest mistake. | Jul 03 01:52 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 03 01:53 |
| schestowitz | > I'd have to go back and check some things to be completely certain I | Jul 03 01:53 |
| schestowitz | > didn't have a very good reason. Instead, I'm looking into the stuff Tom | Jul 03 01:53 |
| schestowitz | > found, because it's more important. But as I said, these corrections are | Jul 03 01:53 |
| schestowitz | > quite welcome. Cheers. | Jul 03 01:53 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 03 01:53 |
| schestowitz | > --- | Jul 03 01:53 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 03 01:53 |
| schestowitz | > Following ALREADY POSTED: | Jul 03 01:53 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 03 01:53 |
| schestowitz | > thanks to whomever did this research. #fsf #deletegithub #techrights | Jul 03 01:53 |
| schestowitz | > note that i was already aware that some of these projects moved to | Jul 03 01:53 |
| schestowitz | > github years ago. the redirects looked more recent. | Jul 03 01:53 |
| schestowitz | > the redirects themselves have also gone through some changes, and it was | Jul 03 01:53 |
| schestowitz | > my perusal of the www-commits list archive that led me to believe most | Jul 03 01:53 |
| schestowitz | > of the redirects were recent. i may at a later time be able to establish | Jul 03 01:53 |
| schestowitz | > how that assumption was made on my part, though i shared my findings | Jul 03 01:53 |
| schestowitz | > which were turned into articles. | Jul 03 01:53 |
| schestowitz | > these corrections are welcome and appreciated. | Jul 03 01:53 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 03 01:53 |
| schestowitz | > Hello Roy, | Jul 03 01:53 |
| schestowitz | > I am sending this email anonymously and I would like to remain > | Jul 03 01:53 |
| schestowitz | > trust you will not publish or share this email address. Thank you. | Jul 03 01:53 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 03 01:53 |
| schestowitz | > http://techrights.org/2020/06/29/microsoft-gnu-addendum/ | Jul 03 01:53 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 03 01:53 |
| schestowitz | > Godefroy or any other webmasters have nothing to do with this beyond | Jul 03 01:53 |
| schestowitz | > strictly doing their work, AFAICT. | Jul 03 01:53 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Addendum: Notes Associated With Other GNU Redirects, Mostly to GitHub (Microsoft) | Techrights | Jul 03 01:53 | |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 03 01:53 |
| schestowitz | > i said that godefroy might have nothing to do with this and was probably | Jul 03 01:53 |
| schestowitz | > just doing work from tickets. they also updated the fsfs page | Jul 03 01:53 |
| schestowitz | > recommending that people not use github, so their edits appeared neutral | Jul 03 01:53 |
| schestowitz | > to me. (note i typically use singular they when i am unaware of someones | Jul 03 01:53 |
| schestowitz | > gender, as i have for many years before gender was as charged a topic as | Jul 03 01:53 |
| schestowitz | > it is now). | Jul 03 01:53 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 03 01:53 |
| schestowitz | > So no, those redirects did not occur after Sep 2019 (RMS’s resignation). | Jul 03 01:53 |
| schestowitz | > This: | Jul 03 01:53 |
| schestowitz | > “They all appear to be made from after Stallman left as well. I | Jul 03 01:53 |
| schestowitz | > haven’t found an exception to that yet.” | Jul 03 01:53 |
| schestowitz | > Is totally wrong. | Jul 03 01:54 |
| schestowitz | > Unfortunately, there is conspiracy to weaken the GNU Project, but | Jul 03 01:54 |
| schestowitz | > that is not it. | Jul 03 01:54 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 03 01:54 |
| schestowitz | > fair enough. i would not have put stress on the redirects being recent | Jul 03 01:54 |
| schestowitz | > unless i had some reason to think they were, but my concern about the | Jul 03 01:54 |
| schestowitz | > redirects remains. | Jul 03 01:54 |
| schestowitz | > i DO however, agree with the implication that redirects made years | Jul 03 01:54 |
| schestowitz | > before are less significant than ones all made in a heap after sept | Jul 03 01:54 |
| schestowitz | > 2019-- thats a detail i would have preferred to get right the first | Jul 03 01:54 |
| schestowitz | > time, but id rather get it right the second time than not at all. i have | Jul 03 01:54 |
| schestowitz | > a couple theories on why i thought that but id have to review the source | Jul 03 01:54 |
| schestowitz | > to be confident about it. | Jul 03 01:54 |
| schestowitz | > thanks again for this data. | Jul 03 01:54 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 03 01:54 |
| schestowitz | > I’ve done my research to find out the dates the changes were | Jul 03 01:54 |
| schestowitz | > This is what I found: | Jul 03 01:54 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 03 01:54 |
| schestowitz | > https://gnu.org/software/guile-dbi | Jul 03 01:54 |
| schestowitz | > -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-github.com | GitHub - | Jul 03 01:54 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-github.com | GitHub - opencog/guile-dbi: Guile Scheme SQL database interfaces | Jul 03 01:54 | |
| schestowitz | > opencog/guile-dbi: Guile Scheme SQL database interfaces | Jul 03 01:54 |
| schestowitz | > Redirected to GitHub 2 years, 5 months ago - | Jul 03 01:54 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 03 01:54 |
| schestowitz | > https://gnu.org/software/nana | Jul 03 01:54 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 03 01:54 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-github.com | GitHub - pjmaker/nana: Nana - a design by contract framework for C/C++ | Jul 03 01:54 | |
| schestowitz | > Pages removed from gnu.org in 2012, they lived in Savannah. | Jul 03 01:54 |
| schestowitz | > -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-github.com | GitHub - pjmaker/nana: | Jul 03 01:54 |
| schestowitz | > Nana - a design by contract framework for C/C++ | Jul 03 01:54 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 03 01:54 |
| schestowitz | > Note at Savannah Dec 2014 says it’s moving to GitHub | Jul 03 01:54 |
| schestowitz | > http://savannah.gnu.org/projects/nana/ | Jul 03 01:54 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-savannah.gnu.org | Nana - Summary [Savannah] | Jul 03 01:54 | |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 03 01:54 |
| schestowitz | > First commit at GitHub seems Jan 2015 | Jul 03 01:54 |
| schestowitz | > https://github.com/pjmaker/nana/ | Jul 03 01:54 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-github.com | GitHub - pjmaker/nana: Nana - a design by contract framework for C/C++ | Jul 03 01:54 | |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 03 01:54 |
| schestowitz | > https://gnu.org/software/which | Jul 03 01:54 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-carlowood.github.io | Which | Jul 03 01:54 | |
| schestowitz | > -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-carlowood.github.io | Which | Jul 03 01:54 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 03 01:54 |
| schestowitz | > There’s no trace of it either at gnu.org or Savannah. Needs | Jul 03 01:54 |
| schestowitz | > further research. | Jul 03 01:54 |
| schestowitz | > https://carlowood.github.io/which/ | Jul 03 01:55 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 03 01:55 |
| schestowitz | > https://gnu.org/software/macchanger | Jul 03 01:55 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-github.com | GitHub - alobbs/macchanger: GNU MAC Changer | Jul 03 01:55 | |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 03 01:55 |
| schestowitz | > No trace of its page at gnu.org. It’s on Savannah directing to GNU | Jul 03 01:55 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 03 01:55 |
| schestowitz | > mirror. https://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/macchanger/ | Jul 03 01:55 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ftp.gnu.org | Index of /gnu/macchanger | Jul 03 01:55 | |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 03 01:55 |
| schestowitz | > Last activity at GitHub 7 years ago | Jul 03 01:55 |
| schestowitz | > https://github.com/alobbs/macchanger/ | Jul 03 01:55 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-github.com | GitHub - alobbs/macchanger: GNU MAC Changer | Jul 03 01:55 | |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 03 01:55 |
| schestowitz | > https://gnu.org/software/jwhois | Jul 03 01:55 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 03 01:55 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-github.com | GitHub - jonasob/jwhois | Jul 03 01:55 | |
| schestowitz | > Some trace at gnu.org from 2015 | Jul 03 01:55 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 03 01:55 |
| schestowitz | > http://web.cvs.savannah.gnu.org/viewvc/jwhois/jwhois/jwhois.html?view=log | Jul 03 01:55 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-web.cvs.savannah.gnu.org | [jwhois] Log of /jwhois/jwhois.html | Jul 03 01:55 | |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 03 01:55 |
| schestowitz | > Has lived at GitHub for almost 20 yrs. | Jul 03 01:55 |
| schestowitz | > https://github.com/jonasob/jwhois/ | Jul 03 01:55 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-github.com | GitHub - jonasob/jwhois | Jul 03 01:55 | |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 03 01:55 |
| schestowitz | > https://gnu.org/software/fribidi | Jul 03 01:55 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-github.com | GitHub - fribidi/fribidi: GNU FriBidi | Jul 03 01:55 | |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 03 01:55 |
| schestowitz | > One instance of its existence at gnu.org from 10 yrs ago | Jul 03 01:55 |
| schestowitz | > -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-github.com | GitHub - | Jul 03 01:55 |
| schestowitz | > fribidi/fribidi: GNU FriBidi | Jul 03 01:55 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 03 01:55 |
| schestowitz | > http://web.cvs.savannah.gnu.org/viewvc/www/www/software/fribidi/index.html?hideattic=0&view=log | Jul 03 01:55 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-web.cvs.savannah.gnu.org | [www] Log of /www/software/fribidi/index.html | Jul 03 01:55 | |
| schestowitz | > -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-web.cvs.savannah.gnu.org | [www] | Jul 03 01:55 |
| schestowitz | > Log of /www/software/fribidi/index.html | Jul 03 01:55 |
| schestowitz | > Has been at GitHub for at least 13 yrs | Jul 03 01:55 |
| schestowitz | > https://github.com/fribidi/fribidi/ | Jul 03 01:55 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-github.com | GitHub - fribidi/fribidi: GNU FriBidi | Jul 03 01:55 | |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 03 01:55 |
| schestowitz | > again, i am aware that some of these projects moved a long time ago-- | Jul 03 01:55 |
| schestowitz | > its the logs/list archives for www-commits that (somehow) led me to | Jul 03 01:55 |
| schestowitz | > believe the redirects were recent. | Jul 03 01:55 |
| schestowitz | > there are still gnu projects based on github (such as gnu radio) which | Jul 03 01:55 |
| schestowitz | > do not redirect to github, as they have their own website. i treat the | Jul 03 01:55 |
| schestowitz | > creation of a redirect as a separate event than the repo move-- as it | Jul 03 01:55 |
| schestowitz | > often is a separate event. | Jul 03 01:55 |
| schestowitz | > however, some of the redirects may also be older. i dont know (i somehow | Jul 03 01:55 |
| schestowitz | > doubt) i read any commits from 13 years ago, but its possible. | Jul 03 01:56 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 03 01:56 |
| schestowitz | > https://gnu.org/software/httptunnel | Jul 03 01:56 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-github.com | GitHub - larsbrinkhoff/httptunnel: Bidirectional data stream tunnelled in HTTP requests. | Jul 03 01:56 | |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 03 01:56 |
| schestowitz | > Last seen at gnu.org 2 yrs ago | Jul 03 01:56 |
| schestowitz | > -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-github.com | GitHub - | Jul 03 01:56 |
| schestowitz | > larsbrinkhoff/httptunnel: Bidirectional data stream tunnelled in HTTP | Jul 03 01:56 |
| schestowitz | > requests. | Jul 03 01:56 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 03 01:56 |
| schestowitz | > http://web.cvs.savannah.gnu.org/viewvc/www/www/software/httptunnel/httptunnel.html?hideattic=0&view=log | Jul 03 01:56 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-web.cvs.savannah.gnu.org | [www] Log of /www/software/httptunnel/httptunnel.html | Jul 03 01:56 | |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 03 01:56 |
| schestowitz | > Has been at GitHub at least 8 yrs. | Jul 03 01:56 |
| schestowitz | > I want to point out something else I find interesting, and it would be a | Jul 03 01:56 |
| schestowitz | > terrible shame to leave this out. | Jul 03 01:56 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 03 01:56 |
| schestowitz | > (Collectively) we have published literally THOUSANDS of data points on | Jul 03 01:56 |
| schestowitz | > this topic alone, for weeks or even months now. Though facts are very | Jul 03 01:56 |
| schestowitz | > useful to have (that includes review, which I have written in several | Jul 03 01:56 |
| schestowitz | > articles is both welcome and helpful) There is (I think) a | Jul 03 01:56 |
| schestowitz | > disproportionate change in the response we are getting to this. | Jul 03 01:56 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 03 01:56 |
| schestowitz | > In other words, when we published hundreds of these data points at once, | Jul 03 01:56 |
| schestowitz | > we got very little attention (in terms of direct response. We certainly | Jul 03 01:56 |
| schestowitz | > had some attention, whether they reached out to us or not.) | Jul 03 01:56 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 03 01:56 |
| schestowitz | > Over a very small handful of data points however, there is something | Jul 03 01:56 |
| schestowitz | > akin to a backlash here. The corrections are welcome (I find it | Jul 03 01:56 |
| schestowitz | > interesting that most of the data we got came with the quote | Jul 03 01:56 |
| schestowitz | > "Unfortunately, /there is/ conspiracy to weaken the GNU Project") and | Jul 03 01:56 |
| schestowitz | > pissing someone off isn't really surprising, but it's still *new*. And | Jul 03 01:56 |
| schestowitz | > that's interesting. | Jul 03 01:56 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 03 01:56 |
| schestowitz | > For all the things we've already said about this, this time it ruffeled | Jul 03 01:56 |
| schestowitz | > feathers, threatened an ego, or made a big splash. I didn't bother | Jul 03 01:56 |
| schestowitz | > writing an article about it-- I certainly would have if I'd known (or | Jul 03 01:56 |
| schestowitz | > intended) for it to get all this response we are getting. | Jul 03 01:56 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 03 01:56 |
| schestowitz | > I'm sure you both find it interesting as well, but if not, I would love | Jul 03 01:56 |
| schestowitz | > to know why. | Jul 03 01:56 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 03 01:56 |
| schestowitz | > Something has changed, between the previous articles on this topic and | Jul 03 01:57 |
| schestowitz | > the recent ones. Because we said SO MUCH MORE about this before. And it | Jul 03 01:57 |
| schestowitz | > was like a pin dropping. Big deal. | Jul 03 01:57 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 03 01:57 |
| schestowitz | > Now we say so much less, and suddenly, whoa-- | Jul 03 01:57 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 03 01:57 |
| schestowitz | > So I'm glad you guys decided this was worth an article, because I really | Jul 03 01:57 |
| schestowitz | > didn't think it was. You were obviously right on that count. This one | Jul 03 01:57 |
| schestowitz | > really grabbed some attention. | Jul 03 01:57 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 03 01:57 |
| schestowitz | > I'd compare it to running up and down the middle of the city, in the | Jul 03 01:57 |
| schestowitz | > middle of the night, banging pots and pans and yelling, only to hear | Jul 03 01:57 |
| schestowitz | > crickets. | Jul 03 01:57 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 03 01:57 |
| schestowitz | > Then when passing someone we didn't notice, we gently graze an elbow, | Jul 03 01:57 |
| schestowitz | > and the person turns around and says "HEY, MOTHERFUCKER! WATCH WHERE THE | Jul 03 01:57 |
| schestowitz | > FUCK YOURE GOING!" | Jul 03 01:57 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 03 01:57 |
| schestowitz | > This is not in reference to the data we got, but in the other responses. | Jul 03 01:57 |
| schestowitz | > How is this one really different than any of the other stuff we've said? | Jul 03 01:57 |
| schestowitz | > Fun project there. Not one I'm planning on working on, but theories | Jul 03 01:57 |
| schestowitz | > welcome. Cheers. | Jul 03 01:57 |
| schestowitz | I think that, at one point, we really need one 'central' wiki page that ties together all the links/refs to pertinent articles on these topics. | Jul 03 01:57 |
| schestowitz | Better wait till we get it right and tell a good story. | Jul 03 01:57 |
| schestowitz | Re: recutils | Jul 03 02:10 |
| schestowitz | > Don't know why I didnt think of this sooner. | Jul 03 02:10 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 03 02:10 |
| schestowitz | > This would be random and "too easy" if it were not based on an existing | Jul 03 02:10 |
| schestowitz | > logo for a GNU project, namely recutils. | Jul 03 02:10 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 03 02:10 |
| schestowitz | > Please note that recutils has nothing to do with this GitHub nonsense as | Jul 03 02:10 |
| schestowitz | > far as I know. | Jul 03 02:10 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 03 02:10 |
| schestowitz | > This is picking on the corrupt FSF and especially IBM, not recutils itself. | Jul 03 02:10 |
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| schestowitz | > I think that, at one point, we really need one 'central' wiki page | Jul 03 08:43 |
| schestowitz | > that ties together all the links/refs to pertinent articles on these | Jul 03 08:43 |
| schestowitz | > topics. | Jul 03 08:43 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 03 08:43 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 03 08:43 |
| schestowitz | > I don't agree. The reason I don't agree is that I never wanted to do | Jul 03 08:43 |
| schestowitz | > articles in the first place. I mean on this topic. | Jul 03 08:43 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 03 08:43 |
| schestowitz | > I wanted to do wiki stuff. Every time I do an article (other than Op-Ed | Jul 03 08:43 |
| schestowitz | > type things) I wish I was doing the wiki instead. | Jul 03 08:43 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 03 08:43 |
| schestowitz | > Most of what I've been working on lately is the wiki, and you'll see the | Jul 03 08:43 |
| schestowitz | > difference soon. | Jul 03 08:43 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 03 08:43 |
| schestowitz | > So what's wrong with the articles? | Jul 03 08:43 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 03 08:43 |
| schestowitz | > The information is what really counts-- shoving it into an article is | Jul 03 08:43 |
| schestowitz | > tedious, and extracting it back from the article (so it matches any | Jul 03 08:43 |
| schestowitz | > corrections made last-minute) is also tedious. I know, I've done a lot | Jul 03 08:43 |
| schestowitz | > of that lately. | Jul 03 08:43 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 03 08:43 |
| schestowitz | > The articles are more likely to be out of date, harder to edit, harder | Jul 03 08:43 |
| schestowitz | > to find information to fix in. | Jul 03 08:43 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 03 08:43 |
| schestowitz | > We link people to articles on this stuff, we encourage them to get | Jul 03 08:43 |
| schestowitz | > out-of-date information. | Jul 03 08:43 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 03 08:43 |
| schestowitz | > What I think we should be doing is getting the data into a format where | Jul 03 08:43 |
| schestowitz | > it's cleaner and easier to spot issues and fix them. | Jul 03 08:44 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 03 08:44 |
| schestowitz | > That's a wiki. I put a lot of work into my articles, but the data is | Jul 03 08:44 |
| schestowitz | > where most of the work was-- in short, fuck the articles. I only wrote | Jul 03 08:44 |
| schestowitz | > them due to the very relevant fact that they draw readers. | Jul 03 08:44 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 03 08:44 |
| schestowitz | > But once they are out of date, they are a liability as far as informing | Jul 03 08:44 |
| schestowitz | > people goes. Of course they should stay up, for the same reason that | Jul 03 08:44 |
| schestowitz | > archives exist. But for articles where most of the value is the | Jul 03 08:44 |
| schestowitz | > information, we should just keep the data (in a clean format) and say to | Jul 03 08:44 |
| schestowitz | > hell with the old article. | Jul 03 08:44 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 03 08:44 |
| schestowitz | > If this were just about the value of the outcome I would say whatever, | Jul 03 08:44 |
| schestowitz | > we can do both. But I've got enough work, without adding something I | Jul 03 08:44 |
| schestowitz | > don't like the outcome of. | Jul 03 08:44 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 03 08:44 |
| schestowitz | > Of course I don't think it's a terrible idea (at all) until you get into | Jul 03 08:44 |
| schestowitz | > the details of it. Without those details, I agree it sounds like a | Jul 03 08:44 |
| schestowitz | > fantastic idea. | Jul 03 08:44 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 03 08:44 |
| schestowitz | > Furthermore, I think there will be an occasional article worth linking | Jul 03 08:44 |
| schestowitz | > to from the wiki-- something that adds something the wiki doesn't add, | Jul 03 08:44 |
| schestowitz | > something that is less dated than raw data. | Jul 03 08:44 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 03 08:44 |
| schestowitz | > But-- as someone who has collated hundreds if not thousands of articles | Jul 03 08:44 |
| schestowitz | > on somewhere from 40 to over 100 different topics-- all on the wiki, | Jul 03 08:44 |
| schestowitz | > *this is NOT a good use of our time. Or the wiki.** | Jul 03 08:44 |
| schestowitz | > * | Jul 03 08:44 |
| schestowitz | > *** | Jul 03 08:44 |
| schestowitz | > * | Jul 03 08:44 |
| schestowitz | > *Which is not mine, I might add.* You guys can do whatever you want, | Jul 03 08:44 |
| schestowitz | > obviously, but I don't personally recommend this- not this time. Cheers. | Jul 03 08:44 |
| schestowitz | > I also think that (ceding as always that articles do garner more | Jul 03 08:44 |
| schestowitz | > attention) if we had stuck to research and wiki editing, this miniature | Jul 03 08:44 |
| schestowitz | > debacle that has thankfully gained us more discussion of the topic could | Jul 03 08:44 |
| schestowitz | > have been avoided. Only the desire to make things into articles has | Jul 03 08:44 |
| schestowitz | > "gained" us this. | Jul 03 08:44 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 03 08:44 |
| schestowitz | > Which is probably great for Techrights actually, but I don't like it. As | Jul 03 08:44 |
| schestowitz | > meticulous as I've been, I am really increasingly of the desire to be | Jul 03 08:45 |
| schestowitz | > working with a format that suits accuracy more than it garners a | Jul 03 08:45 |
| schestowitz | > spotlight. Sure I want people to read Techrights. But I also want the | Jul 03 08:45 |
| schestowitz | > stuff they read to be accurate-- especially on my watch. It's already | Jul 03 08:45 |
| schestowitz | > good on your watch, Roy. | Jul 03 08:45 |
| schestowitz | If information changes over time, and assuming the articles are dated, they're likely accurate at their time. | Jul 03 08:45 |
| schestowitz | > P.S. Thanks to Tom, I just (since the previous email) found Another (another) redirect. That's at least two new ones since the most recent article. | Jul 03 08:45 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 03 08:45 |
| schestowitz | > Just to be clear, this is "new" to me/us, not new as in just added by the www-commits people. | Jul 03 08:45 |
| schestowitz | > This is great! We will need to update the article at some point. | Jul 03 08:47 |
| schestowitz | Can add "Update:" at top with a date added. | Jul 03 08:47 |
| schestowitz | > Articles are very important. It is our chance to frame the facts as | Jul 03 08:47 |
| schestowitz | > /we/ want them framed, as virtually no one else will. | Jul 03 08:47 |
| schestowitz | > I think the click-bait title did it, or a lot of it. Then the framing, with facts to back it up. A nice little package. We thought it would be interesting, and it was. | Jul 03 08:50 |
| schestowitz | Inaccurate things do not spread far, or not for very long... | Jul 03 08:50 |
| schestowitz | The wider the reach, the more moaning you're get from more people. It's inevitable. They try to limit the damage. E.g. MattL. | Jul 03 08:50 |
| schestowitz | This one was read by 24k readers. I got only mail from 3 people, no comments. Remember people need to set up accounts to comment. | Jul 03 08:50 |
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| acer-box__ | https://mobile.twitter.com/athenas13/status/1278991644143083525?p=p | Jul 03 11:12 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-mobile.twitter.com | Twitter | Jul 03 11:12 | |
| acer-box__ | There was also an arrest made at Gates' home of his employee for child pornography. What was weird is that they arrested the employee at Gates' house not at the employee's house. techrights.org/2020/06/20/you… | Jul 03 11:12 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kittyhundal/status/1279056602105106432 | Jul 03 21:37 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@kittyhundal: If the taxpayer is funding the development of these drugs we have a right to discounted costs when they go on sale.… https://t.co/NmwUHRsj60 | Jul 03 21:37 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@kittyhundal: If the taxpayer is funding the development of these drugs we have a right to discounted costs when they go on sale.… https://t.co/NmwUHRsj60 | Jul 03 21:37 | |
| schestowitz | "If the taxpayer is funding the development of these drugs we have a right to discounted costs when they go on sale. This should be built into taxpayer funding of anything. If it isn't, IMO, that's fraudulent use of taxpayer funds by those issuing the funding." | Jul 03 21:37 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/davehodg/status/1279028012844036096 | Jul 03 21:37 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@davehodg: @schestowitz @PerlDean Top man. Is it on github? | Jul 03 21:37 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Diurpagissa/status/1279004444655595520 | Jul 03 21:37 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Diurpagissa: just throw the key after https://t.co/yvZOSf2HWZ | Jul 03 21:37 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: ● NEWS ● #meduza #ru #russia ☞ Russian LGBTQ activist charged with distributing pornography faces new allegations… https://t.co/bRkSyBzlcd | Jul 03 21:37 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/VR_Tandukar/status/1278996965624291329 | Jul 03 21:37 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@VR_Tandukar: #RisingNepal #DigitalNepal #Internet https://t.co/wGxrOdnzHH | Jul 03 21:37 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: ● NEWS ● #InternetSociety #isoc #internet ☞ Closing the Digital Divide in #Nepal https://t.co/D98fq1irMR | Jul 03 21:37 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/stormpetrel/status/1278927364525895681 | Jul 03 21:38 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@stormpetrel: @JonRosewell https://t.co/TlD6aJwp6q | Jul 03 21:38 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: #RaspberryPi 4 based gateway with RS-232/485 and RTC sells for $90 plus the Pi https://t.co/Mr4j1FJnR3 #raspi #gnu #linux | Jul 03 21:38 | |
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