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| Techrights-sec | The excessive writing when creating the static files is due to the lack of | Sep 03 01:36 |
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| Techrights-sec | tracking which records have been used already. There is no marker to show | Sep 03 01:36 |
| Techrights-sec | which records have been written. If there were, then it would only be necessary | Sep 03 01:36 |
| Techrights-sec | to write the new. unwritten record(s) plus the record adjacent to them. | Sep 03 01:36 |
| Techrights-sec | What shortcomings can you see with that approach? I think there might be a | Sep 03 01:36 |
| Techrights-sec | more effcient way than that. | Sep 03 01:36 |
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| schestowitz-TR2 | need topics ;-) | Sep 03 06:21 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | the world is paralysed not in the sense that nothing is going on | Sep 03 06:22 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | but in the sense not much gets investigated and reported over www | Sep 03 06:22 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | <techrights-news> "I realize there is something performative about issuing a statement via tweet" https://www.michaelgeist.ca/2022/09/why-have-so-many-cabinet-members-still-not-spoken-out-on-stopping-government-funding-for-anti-semite/ | Sep 03 06:44 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.michaelgeist.ca | Why Have So Many Cabinet Members Still Not Spoken Out on Stopping Government Funding for an Anti-Semite? - Michael Geist | Sep 03 06:44 | |
| schestowitz__[TR] | https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/03/PeppermintOS_Based_on_Devuan.shtml | Sep 03 06:58 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-news.tuxmachines.org | Tux Machines — PeppermintOS Based on Devuan | Sep 03 06:58 | |
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| schestowitz-TR2 | I've just corrected tim-extract for the rss/xml part, did the pull from the server side, but I think another step is required for the changes | Sep 03 07:52 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | to take effect as the newly-generated pages still use the old version in <head> | Sep 03 07:52 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I've tested these changes | Sep 03 07:52 |
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| Techrights-sec | Yes, pull then copy to /usr/local/bin | Sep 03 08:18 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | that's what I thought | Sep 03 08:19 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | but wanted to ask before doing it wrong | Sep 03 08:19 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | as it seems precarious at the root level | Sep 03 08:19 |
| Techrights-sec | It's two steps to avoid directly putting the scripts out there. | Sep 03 08:19 |
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| schestowitz-TR2 | can you give me a "Safe" command that sends the git shell or perl files to the correct paths? | Sep 03 08:21 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I also want to test in quiterss whether it now picks up the feed correctly in autodiscovery | Sep 03 08:21 |
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| Techrights-sec | It's best to do them one at a time. Do you mean set up something with | Sep 03 08:32 |
| Techrights-sec | 'doas' there? | Sep 03 08:32 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | maybe a simpler workflow | Sep 03 08:33 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I ask you to first review the changes | Sep 03 08:33 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | with git commit log | Sep 03 08:33 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | and then you place it in bin | Sep 03 08:33 |
| Techrights-sec | Ok | Sep 03 08:33 |
| Techrights-sec | checking | Sep 03 08:33 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | lowers the chances of accidents | Sep 03 08:33 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | marius likes your latest changes (info in irc log, "bytes") | Sep 03 08:33 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | for "tomorrow" | Sep 03 08:33 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | Sep 03 08:38 |
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| Techrights-sec | Though the three step proces (w/two peope) reduces errors, there is the problem | Sep 03 08:58 |
| Techrights-sec | of bottlenecks and possible dealys. | Sep 03 08:58 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I don't suppose I will make changes at that level too often | Sep 03 08:59 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I am not a perl coder | Sep 03 08:59 |
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| Techrights-sec | That's a bottleneck too. No matter which language or scripting langauge is | Sep 03 09:15 |
| Techrights-sec | chosen, that will include or exclude people. I hope the code is sufficiently | Sep 03 09:15 |
| Techrights-sec | commented or clear. | Sep 03 09:15 |
| Techrights-sec | The exctraction script needs a ground-up rewrite though given the actual work | Sep 03 09:15 |
| Techrights-sec | flow, and that might mean adding a field to the keys table or else modding | Sep 03 09:15 |
| Techrights-sec | the way that script uses the metadata table. Either way tracking writes is a must ... perhaps. Comments welcom on the approach proposed a few lines earlier. | Sep 03 09:15 |
| Techrights-sec | There mightr be a more efficient way. | Sep 03 09:15 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | i wonder how other static generators do this | Sep 03 09:16 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I've just taught arindam how to add and update stories | Sep 03 09:45 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | let's see if there are technical or [e.g. lack of grasp how how the UI works] barriers | Sep 03 09:45 |
| Techrights-sec | I looked at some others but not too closely and have forgotten much of what | Sep 03 09:46 |
| Techrights-sec | I noticed. Perhaps there is something written so as to avoid needing to install | Sep 03 09:46 |
| Techrights-sec | them somewhere. | Sep 03 09:46 |
| Techrights-sec | If he has feedback, that'd be good. | Sep 03 09:46 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | "Had the government not rushed and instead properly developed something (it sent it to the private sector with patents on publicly-funded work), then tested it more thoroughly/properly, maybe confidence would be higher." https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/09/03/uk-statistics-about-58-of-the-population-opted-to-receive-a-booster-and-now-they-say-another-vaccine-is-needed/ | Sep 03 09:48 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » UK Statistics: About 58% of the Population Opted to Receive a ‘Booster’ (and Now They Say Another Vaccine is Needed) | Sep 03 09:48 | |
| Techrights-sec | ack | Sep 03 10:17 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | i think you will like the snowden viddeo I've converted to webm | Sep 03 10:18 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | it covers some of the point 'braxman' [sic] did | Sep 03 10:18 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | but snowden has better technical understanding | Sep 03 10:18 |
| Techrights-sec | checking | Sep 03 10:18 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | having written with bunnie huang about it | Sep 03 10:18 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | <techrights-news> "That’s not the only thing. With increased stress levels, I really need to reduce my social media use, as it simply does not make me feel better overall and also likely eats an uncomfortably large amount of time." https://linmob.net/re-evaluating-priorities/ | Sep 03 10:21 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-LINMOB.net - Re-Evaluating Priorities | Sep 03 10:21 | |
| schestowitz-TR2 | we want millions of people to say and do the same -- to the point friends mimic them and we kill off this wasteful, worthless decade of human 'activity' | Sep 03 10:22 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | ota | Sep 03 11:40 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | done, I did a response to parts of the snowden video | Sep 03 11:40 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | 61 mins | Sep 03 11:40 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | Sep 03 11:40 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | holidays over, sept. 3rd already, news still very slow | Sep 03 11:42 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | not picking up at my end, or barely | Sep 03 11:42 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | all across thr board | Sep 03 11:42 |
| Techrights-sec | I notice the same stillness and lack of content. | Sep 03 11:42 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | social control media is dying too | Sep 03 11:44 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | you're not missing out anything there | Sep 03 11:44 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | so it's not like "all the cool kids" are having a meaningful debate elsewhere | Sep 03 11:44 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | it's just a vacuum | Sep 03 11:44 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | a lack of journalism enables price-fixing and stiffing | Sep 03 11:44 |
| Techrights-sec | ~. | Sep 03 11:46 |
| Techrights-sec | Social control media's demise is good, but not fast enough. To many powerful | Sep 03 11:46 |
| Techrights-sec | interests gain from abusing it. | Sep 03 11:46 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | with free europe radio or whatever the US called it at least you knew what you tuned into | Sep 03 11:51 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | the broadcaster, source, funder | Sep 03 11:51 |
| Techrights-sec | A /very/ harmful aspect of social control media is that 1) many weak journalists | Sep 03 11:56 |
| Techrights-sec | turn to it for initial "research" instead of getting at the facts and 2) | Sep 03 11:56 |
| Techrights-sec | many high level politicians misuse it in the same way. In that way it looks | Sep 03 11:56 |
| Techrights-sec | like many EC and UN politicians have had the wool pulled over their eyes and | Sep 03 11:56 |
| Techrights-sec | once fooled will not relinquish their mistaken posititions but rather dig in | Sep 03 11:56 |
| Techrights-sec | their heels. | Sep 03 11:56 |
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| schestowitz-TR2 | <techrights-news> "Her death was announced on Twitter" ☛ https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/09/02/honor-her-memory-fighting-hell-barbara-ehrenreich-dies-81 | Source: Common Dreams | Sep 03 14:00 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.commondreams.org | 'Honor Her Memory... by Fighting Like Hell': Barbara Ehrenreich Dies at 81 | Sep 03 14:00 | |
| Techrights-sec | "tweets" in place of officia notifications, that allows filtering as well as | Sep 03 14:01 |
| Techrights-sec | tracking | Sep 03 14:01 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | <techrights-news> "Her death was announced on Twitter" ☛ https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/09/02/honor-her-memory-fighting-hell-barbara-ehrenreich-dies-81 | Source: Common Dreams | Sep 03 14:02 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I remmeber whenn you got such nes with obituaries, not saudi trolls and "likes" | Sep 03 14:02 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | oh, come on, you are ssssooooo old fashioned | Sep 03 14:02 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | if I die, write a TEET for me | Sep 03 14:02 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | *TWEET | Sep 03 14:02 |
| Techrights-sec | :( | Sep 03 14:08 |
| Techrights-sec | Unfortunately that, an appeal to novelty, is successful in marketing | Sep 03 14:08 |
| Techrights-sec | both the manipulation and the surveillance. The addiction is part of the bargain | Sep 03 14:08 |
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| schestowitz-TR2 | yes, that is a good topic | Sep 03 16:21 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | syngenta is in the middle of some EPO scnadals, too | Sep 03 16:21 |
| Techrights-sec | Apropos news, I notice that neither Brave's nor StartPage's search show, | Sep 03 16:23 |
| Techrights-sec | sort by, or allow selection by approximate date. Up until a few days ago | Sep 03 16:23 |
| Techrights-sec | it was possible to limit search results by the last day, week, month, or year. | Sep 03 16:23 |
| Techrights-sec | Now the results are all jumbled up together, making it impossible to sort out | Sep 03 16:23 |
| Techrights-sec | relevant material by time. So there may be some news pages from yesterday | Sep 03 16:23 |
| Techrights-sec | but they are drowned out by higher ranking ones on the same topic, or same | Sep 03 16:23 |
| Techrights-sec | search words, even if the higher ranking ones are much older as in months or | Sep 03 16:23 |
| Techrights-sec | years | Sep 03 16:23 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I never used Brave or the search, but I know startpage is a no-go | Sep 03 16:24 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | we have a WBer from there | Sep 03 16:24 |
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| schestowitz | [02:51] <schestowitz> but can remove | Sep 03 20:16 |
| schestowitz | [02:51] <schestowitz> hand on | Sep 03 20:16 |
| schestowitz | [02:51] <schestowitz> please, yes! send the warrant | Sep 03 20:16 |
| schestowitz | [02:51] <schestowitz> I searched the dept's site | Sep 03 20:16 |
| schestowitz | [02:52] <Source> I'm trying to figure out a way to send you a PDF [02:52] <schestowitz> with names and everything | Sep 03 20:16 |
| schestowitz | [02:52] <Source> Yeah you would need to do an open records request | Sep 03 20:16 |
| schestowitz | [02:52] <schestowitz> could never bring up the record | Sep 03 20:17 |
| schestowitz | [02:52] <Source> Yeah Austin is really strange | Sep 03 20:17 |
| schestowitz | [02:52] <schestowitz> send it by email | Sep 03 20:17 |
| schestowitz | [02:52] <schestowitz> if it's not a secret thing anyway | Sep 03 20:17 |
| schestowitz | [02:52] <schestowitz> I'll replace and follow up | Sep 03 20:17 |
| schestowitz | [02:52] <Source> In the rest of tx most police departments post warrants and arrests publicly | Sep 03 20:17 |
| schestowitz | [02:53] <schestowitz> sorry, you caught me at a bad time, and it's 3am here, I have 5 tasks at the same time | Sep 03 20:17 |
| schestowitz | [02:53] <Source> What's your email?[02:53] <Source> Sorry I'm not sure of your schedule I just assumed that you were awake late at night because that's usually when we talk | Sep 03 20:17 |
| schestowitz | [02:57] <Source> He's actually had a warrant since September 3rd[02:58] <Source> So he invaded arrest 3 full months[02:59] <schestowitz> wow | Sep 03 20:17 |
| schestowitz | [02:59] <schestowitz> but we found out late | Sep 03 20:17 |
| schestowitz | [02:59] <schestowitz> if I put out the record | Sep 03 20:17 |
| schestowitz | [02:59] <Source> I found out a while ago[02:59] <Source> But I wasn't sure and didn't have any evidence that it was true | Sep 03 20:17 |
| schestowitz | [02:59] <schestowitz> then it will make it vastly easier for me to proceed to his domestic violence issue | Sep 03 20:17 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | ping | Sep 03 20:23 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | arindam is posting OK | Sep 03 20:23 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | and updating OK, too | Sep 03 20:23 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I've just diffed git tm-extract and which tm-extractr | Sep 03 20:23 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | then cp'd that | Sep 03 20:23 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I guess it's the safest way | Sep 03 20:23 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | diff in alpine shows not only the different lines | Sep 03 20:23 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | but also adds some trailing lines for context | Sep 03 20:23 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | never seen this before | Sep 03 20:23 |
| Techrights-sec | thanks | Sep 03 20:25 |
| Techrights-sec | still thinking about how to re-do the html/gemtext generator. it'll likely be | Sep 03 20:25 |
| Techrights-sec | in two stages at this point | Sep 03 20:25 |
| Techrights-sec | checking | Sep 03 20:25 |
| Techrights-sec | yes I thought that was the usual, that diff shows a little context | Sep 03 20:25 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | maybe if there are some options or aliad that added them | Sep 03 20:26 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | alias like A and B in grep | Sep 03 20:26 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | or a and b, before and after | Sep 03 20:26 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | Sep 03 20:26 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I think depending on the implementation | Sep 03 20:26 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | btw, I think "TLS options: file not found." is back | Sep 03 20:28 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | what would e the optimal approach to back up the new servers inc. root level things? | Sep 03 20:47 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I'm doing backups atm | Sep 03 20:47 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | everything is a file, but with ownerships it gets complicated and some parts of the system are in weird paths | Sep 03 20:47 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | Juust thinking ahead of D-R-likke situation | Sep 03 20:47 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | all the feedback I got about the new TM design is either positive is neutral | Sep 03 20:47 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I'm going to tidy things up a bit >outside< the new server | Sep 03 20:47 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I've just cleaned my email for first time since July | Sep 03 20:47 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | it's more efficient when you can group the spam | Sep 03 20:47 |
| Techrights-sec | For backup, I'd do the OS separate from the services. However, I'm not up on | Sep 03 20:52 |
| Techrights-sec | the best practices for that for Alpine. For APT-based distros, dpkg had | Sep 03 20:52 |
| Techrights-sec | a --get-selections option. There may be something similar for APK. | Sep 03 20:52 |
| Techrights-sec | The TM material is all in /var/www/tuxmachines.org, /home/git/tuxmacines.org, | Sep 03 20:52 |
| Techrights-sec | and /home/tuxmachines. Not all of /var/www/tuxmachines.org needs to be backed | Sep 03 20:52 |
| Techrights-sec | up since the static pages can be recreated. | Sep 03 20:52 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | they cannot | Sep 03 20:52 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | unless we revert back to the broken DB, make a snapshot of them again, then roll back :-) | Sep 03 20:52 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I will make a good backup of old... started a moment ago in fact | Sep 03 20:52 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | just to cement things a bit | Sep 03 20:52 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | in TM-new thee is not much yet except Links and IPFS | Sep 03 20:52 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | sorry, in TR-new | Sep 03 20:52 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | in tm-new we have a lot of work to future-proof | Sep 03 20:52 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | like I said, I see NO REASON why TM can't go on another 10 years | Sep 03 20:52 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | health OK, finance OK, momentum is there | Sep 03 20:52 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | and we don't depend on WWW | Sep 03 20:52 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | or on transient, vsolatile social control media | Sep 03 20:52 |
| Techrights-sec | There are a few open-rc configurations, too. | Sep 03 20:53 |
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| Techrights-sec | ack | Sep 03 21:11 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | still backing up | Sep 03 21:12 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | also researching lf | Sep 03 21:12 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | btw, is the TLS error OK? | Sep 03 21:12 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | missing file? | Sep 03 21:12 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | iirc, you made it vanish at one point | Sep 03 21:12 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | Sep 03 21:13 |
| Techrights-sec | Maybe in November or December we can consider planning migration of TR? | Sep 03 21:13 |
| Techrights-sec | The TLS error should be solved now. That was yet another MQTT client, and it | Sep 03 21:13 |
| Techrights-sec | too needed its certificates updated. The default TTL for the certificates | Sep 03 21:13 |
| Techrights-sec | is 1 month, but I remembered that (after everything expired) and changed | Sep 03 21:13 |
| Techrights-sec | the TTL to just over 36 months. | Sep 03 21:13 |
| Techrights-sec | Checking | Sep 03 21:13 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | the error is showing again after adding new pages | Sep 03 21:13 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | not sure why | Sep 03 21:13 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I think it came back last inight | Sep 03 21:13 |
| Techrights-sec | Not able to see it with refresh-site-from-db.sh | Sep 03 21:14 |
| Techrights-sec | Not able to see it with refresh-site-from-db.sh | Sep 03 21:16 |
| Techrights-sec | Nor /home/tuxmachines/bin/tm-monitor-site-updates.sh | Sep 03 21:16 |
| Techrights-sec | The wide charcter warning is still there, though. | Sep 03 21:16 |
| Techrights-sec | In which context do you still see the TLS warning? | Sep 03 21:16 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | update and refresh as user "Roy" | Sep 03 21:16 |
| Techrights-sec | Checking | Sep 03 21:16 |
| Techrights-sec | Ok. Small repair needed with the paths... | Sep 03 21:16 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | oh, good, so we fix another thing | Sep 03 21:17 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | arindam was a tad confused by DB-related warnings and htmltidy showing many warnings too | Sep 03 21:17 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I agree we should mograte TR next, esp. when things quiet down a bit | Sep 03 21:21 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | we've put lots of effort into TM, hence the sense of urgency to back up what's possible | Sep 03 21:21 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I am backing up both old ones atm, but not fully, they're too large and my conneciton is copper | Sep 03 21:21 |
| Techrights-sec | Oops. Not paths. The SUID bit was removed the other day. Things are | Sep 03 21:33 |
| Techrights-sec | now set up properly in doas. | Sep 03 21:33 |
| Techrights-sec | Oh. I had hoped the tidy warning would have been informative. Any errors | Sep 03 21:34 |
| Techrights-sec | should remain visible but I suppose the warnings and other text should be | Sep 03 21:34 |
| Techrights-sec | supressed? Right? | Sep 03 21:34 |
| Techrights-sec | Hmm. Suppressing the output will require a more advanced approach. | Sep 03 21:34 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | no hurry, uyou wanted input from arindam | Sep 03 21:48 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | and he wrote about the warningsa | Sep 03 21:48 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | rianne too mentions these habitually | Sep 03 21:48 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | they think something went horribly wrong | Sep 03 21:48 |
| Techrights-sec | thanks | Sep 03 21:48 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | just published comparative overview (6years) of LF salaries | Sep 03 22:08 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | you asked for something to that affect | Sep 03 22:08 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | *efefect | Sep 03 22:08 |
| Techrights-sec | Thanks! | Sep 03 22:08 |
| Techrights-sec | The warnings from tidy are probably suppressed. Can you double-check please? | Sep 03 22:09 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I will add a page now to test | Sep 03 22:09 |
| Techrights-sec | Thanks | Sep 03 22:09 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | excellent, now it's a lot less verbose: | Sep 03 22:16 |
| schestowitz | [y/N] y | Sep 03 22:16 |
| schestowitz | Waiting for database to unlock ...lock acquired | Sep 03 22:16 |
| schestowitz | Record added | Sep 03 22:16 |
| schestowitz | Creating temporary directories and files | Sep 03 22:16 |
| schestowitz | Creating static XHTML and GemText hierarchies | Sep 03 22:16 |
| schestowitz | Updating SSI files | Sep 03 22:16 |
| schestowitz | Writing the RSS feed for HTTP | Sep 03 22:16 |
| schestowitz | Wide character in print at /usr/local/bin/tm-generate-feed.pl line 131. | Sep 03 22:16 |
| schestowitz | Writing the Atom feed for Gemini | Sep 03 22:16 |
| schestowitz | Writing the Gemini index | Sep 03 22:16 |
| schestowitz | Pinging via MQTT | Sep 03 22:16 |
| schestowitz | Erasing temporary directories and their files. | Sep 03 22:16 |
| Techrights-sec | Thanks | Sep 03 22:17 |
| Techrights-sec | np | Sep 03 22:17 |
| Techrights-sec | I guess the text can be distracting. I am not a good basis for asessing the | Sep 03 22:17 |
| Techrights-sec | output because I have been using tidy since it was released. | Sep 03 22:17 |
| Techrights-sec | I can take another look at the wide character warning later on. | Sep 03 22:17 |
| Techrights-sec | The first guess did not solve it. | Sep 03 22:17 |
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| Techrights-sec | Ok that was easy. Try now. | Sep 03 22:23 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | "annnnnnnnd, it's GONE!" (South Park ref) | Sep 03 22:23 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | while psoting I reccalled we paid for the phone line today, 12 months advance | Sep 03 22:25 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | we pay about 50 pence per day per person for Internet | Sep 03 22:25 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | and we use thatvery heavily on many machines | Sep 03 22:25 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I hope it stays that way | Sep 03 22:25 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | prices did not increass emuch (nor should they) | Sep 03 22:25 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | my dad has a theory about the inflation and how to ensure it barely affects onself | Sep 03 22:25 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | Sep 03 22:25 |
| Techrights-sec | hopefully it was not "too" easy | Sep 03 22:25 |
| Techrights-sec | not bad | Sep 03 22:25 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | Sep 03 22:25 |
| *psydroid2 has quit (connection closed) | Sep 03 22:26 | |
| schestowitz-TR2 | iirc, in parts of the US we'd pay at least twice as much | Sep 03 22:26 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | and might even get woprse service for that | Sep 03 22:26 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | (parts of, from what I understand it's very location dependent) | Sep 03 22:26 |
| Techrights-sec | and there you would have intermittent service which would be slow when it | Sep 03 22:28 |
| Techrights-sec | works at all, assuming you live in a region with any service at all. | Sep 03 22:28 |
| Techrights-sec | iirc 40% are without | Sep 03 22:28 |
| Techrights-sec | not just locaion dependent but neighborhood dependent and the phone companies | Sep 03 22:28 |
| Techrights-sec | have carved up the areas into tiny monopolies. One street with one company | Sep 03 22:28 |
| Techrights-sec | and maybe down the block another, both with drastically different pricing and | Sep 03 22:28 |
| Techrights-sec | levels of service. | Sep 03 22:28 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | The US has competition | Sep 03 22:30 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | competition over blocks | Sep 03 22:30 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | not competition WITHIN blocks | Sep 03 22:30 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | redefining "free market" and "compettion" | Sep 03 22:30 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | it's called marketing "sharing" IIRC | Sep 03 22:30 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | Micreosoft tried to do that with Netscape | Sep 03 22:30 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | and of course in the long run there would be a dagger in the backl | Sep 03 22:30 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | *market sharing | Sep 03 22:30 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | we have this in the netscapoe petition in our wiki | Sep 03 22:30 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | iof course most no00bs will go to wikipeis onn these issues | Sep 03 22:30 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | and read a bunch of lies from Microsoft | Sep 03 22:30 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | guarded by W-E | Sep 03 22:30 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | Sep 03 22:49 |
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