●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, October 03, 2022 ●● ● Oct 03 [00:17] *starstreak has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [00:39] *starstreak (~starstreak@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 03 [02:47] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.14 [SeaMonkey 2.53.14/20221001165941]) [02:48] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@6vjj4ykdcjqgc.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 03 [03:27] *starstreak has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [03:58] *techrightsalpine4 has quit (connection closed) ● Oct 03 [04:23] *starstreak (~starstreak@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 03 [05:03] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [05:03] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 03 [06:10] schestowitz-TR "Josh and Kurt talk about a blog post that explains there isnt really an open source software supply chain. The whole idea of open source being one thing is incorrect, open source is really a lot of little things put together. A lot of companies and organizations get this wrong." https://opensourcesecurity.io/2022/10/02/episode-343-stop-trying-to-fix-the-open-source-software-supply-chain/ [06:10] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-opensourcesecurity.io | Episode 343 Stop trying to fix the open source software supply chain Open Source Security [06:10] schestowitz-TR they seem to be saying more or less the same as what I said about it ● Oct 03 [07:46] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [07:47] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [07:52] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.14 [SeaMonkey 2.53.14/20221003001100]) [07:55] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@4f8tn9xbhxtc8.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [07:59] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell ● Oct 03 [08:00] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [08:12] Techrights-sec They seem to failing to see, or perhaps denying, the distributed, decentralized [08:12] Techrights-sec nature of FOSS. There's a lot of emergent behavior as it is sometimes called. [08:12] Techrights-sec from the FOSS side. There are also powerful or at least influential opponents [08:12] Techrights-sec who work for the very idea of decentralization to disappear. So of course [08:12] Techrights-sec they will not ever acknowledge it. [08:13] schestowitz-TR tes, this is why we fight back, if not on practical grounds then at least correcting the narrative [08:13] schestowitz-TR Jimmy and the Sunshine boys get paid to distort the narrative [08:13] schestowitz-TR to make FS look bad [08:13] schestowitz-TR and pass control to Pentagon contractors [08:13] schestowitz-TR that's how it is [08:13] schestowitz-TR calling spade a "spade [08:13] Techrights-sec [08:13] Techrights-sec ack [08:14] schestowitz-TR Snyky Jimmy [08:17] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [08:17] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [08:27] Techrights-sec :( [08:27] Techrights-sec Or Blackduck [08:28] schestowitz-TR DenyDuck got bought [08:28] schestowitz-TR and tbh I think they don't do well [08:28] schestowitz-TR the past 2 years they're barely visible [08:28] schestowitz-TR and unlike Synk they don't have much funded, I think [08:28] schestowitz-TR OSI turned them away, but not LF [08:28] schestowitz-TR irinically OSI then took money from Microsoft itself [08:41] Techrights-sec Wasn't there a third FUD machine too? Snyk, Blackduck, ____ [08:41] Techrights-sec It's helpful that Blackduck is doing poorly, they had no value added [08:41] Techrights-sec and peddled only FUD. Eventually that became univerally known and their [08:41] Techrights-sec credibility vanished even among those that wanted to rent some FUD [08:41] Techrights-sec https://techcrunch.com/2017/11/02/fifteen-year-old-black-duck-software-gets-its-exit-selling-to-synopsys-for-565-million/ [08:41] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Fifteen-year-old Black Duck Software gets its exit, selling to Synopsys for $565 million TechCrunch [08:42] schestowitz-TR WhiteSOurce [08:42] schestowitz-TR didn't even heard of them in years [08:42] schestowitz-TR maybe defunct [08:42] schestowitz-TR OpenLogic was gone for years, then mentioned a little lately, I think OSI works with them [08:42] schestowitz-TR closing a Microsoft circle (jerks) [08:42] schestowitz-TR OpenLogic is where Microsoft's Stormy Peters came from too (after HP, IIRC) [08:42] schestowitz-TR working for a Microsofter [08:42] schestowitz-TR Bruce Perens called them out on it [08:42] schestowitz-TR DenyDuck wrote some numbers on papers to "lookl good" [08:42] schestowitz-TR there was no truck of 'Benjamins' [08:42] schestowitz-TR a lot of this sector is sheer fraud, like Sheela Microsoft's Bakkt [08:46] Techrights-sec Yes, that is the whole point, to peddle fraud. Managers with unfounded opininons contact them wishing to buy some backing supporting their bad decisions [08:46] Techrights-sec based on unfounded opinions (instead of empirical facts). That buys them [08:46] Techrights-sec time to either blame someone or something else for their bad decisions or [08:46] Techrights-sec time to find a new job so that the collapse in someone else's responsibility. [08:48] schestowitz-TR zero-sum where "I steal your money" with 'clever' ploy [08:48] schestowitz-TR instead of creating anything of real value [08:48] schestowitz-TR same in her prior employers [08:48] schestowitz-TR prpopaganda mills and resellers of Microsoft [08:48] schestowitz-TR snyk = DenyDuck 1.1 [08:48] schestowitz-TR SFC= OSI 1.1 [08:48] schestowitz-TR LF = stuart cohen (OSDL) reborn, first with a mask for a few years (Murdock as CTO), until they get the straitjacket on LT and his circle [08:48] Techrights-sec ck [08:50] schestowitz-TR ck lewis ;-) [08:50] schestowitz-TR after workout I'll record 2 epo videos [08:50] schestowitz-TR I ended up covering GPL plagiarism in a post, not a video [08:50] schestowitz-TR rianne goes to hand over to final docs/papers to the solicitors at noon [08:50] schestowitz-TR i don't see how they can turn down the application [08:50] schestowitz-TR truss will have caused brain drain by now [08:50] schestowitz-TR not that any other country thrives atm [08:50] Techrights-sec excellent [08:52] Techrights-sec truss has already added to the damage caused by bojotheclown [08:56] schestowitz-TR yes, I could go on and on about it [08:56] schestowitz-TR but refrained in recent years as I don't wish to get in trouble with the local authss [08:56] schestowitz-TR gchq is about 700 meters from us in heron house [08:56] schestowitz-TR and rianne has this application [08:56] schestowitz-TR don't want them to identify the spouse on some "list" [08:56] schestowitz-TR so I focus on stuff like EPO instead [08:56] schestowitz-TR I keep explaining to my dad, [08:56] schestowitz-TR to us the current turmoil is not that big a deal [08:56] schestowitz-TR because we live in a bubble of choice [08:57] schestowitz-TR working from home, buying discounts like 80% of the time [08:57] schestowitz-TR inc. this laptop I'm using right now [08:57] schestowitz-TR you can now get them even cheaper, it's amazing! [08:57] schestowitz-TR not that I need another laptop, rianne and I use 7 machines, not counting the pi that's in the living roomn acting mostly [08:57] schestowitz-TR as server, http proxy, gemini, file storage, backup (5am each morning), and few other things [08:57] schestowitz-TR I turned off the LEDs a few months ago to save energy until it's positioned somewhere more visible [08:57] schestowitz-TR it's still running ipfs but throttled [08:58] Techrights-sec ack [08:58] Techrights-sec Just avoid laptops with Nvidia= ● Oct 03 [09:00] schestowitz-TR in RELATIVE terms, Manchester is doing OK because of foreign investment, inc. football and estate [09:00] schestowitz-TR we have an influx of residents [09:00] schestowitz-TR but that won't last forever [09:00] schestowitz-TR this latest laptop is neat, good bang for the buck [09:00] schestowitz-TR athlon+radeon so can do video acceleration too [09:00] schestowitz-TR it mostly does kate, lagrange, many terminals, and xchat [09:00] schestowitz-TR oh, obs studio sometimes, but it can cope [09:00] schestowitz-TR the footprint (ram) of the above is small [09:00] schestowitz-TR thunderbird is like 5 times more than all the above combined [09:01] Techrights-sec ack [09:05] schestowitz-TR checking... [09:05] schestowitz-TR I don't know the answer. [09:05] schestowitz-TR regarding the buttoms, I reckon I'll fit them onto that or another Pi [09:05] schestowitz-TR I don't have a soldering gun and borrowing is harder when I try to avoid people [09:05] schestowitz-TR I limit myself to one "outsider" if it's very important like getting a reference for the application [09:05] schestowitz-TR a risk worth taking [09:05] schestowitz-TR (there was something else, not important, that I wanted to utter but forgot. will pass, move on..) [09:06] Techrights-sec If TR is redon based on what we've learned from migrating TM, it should [09:06] Techrights-sec probably use full time stamps internally. [09:12] schestowitz-TR i get distracted by irc a lot [09:12] schestowitz-TR it never truly stopds [09:12] schestowitz-TR and not predictable either [09:12] schestowitz-TR but s/n ratio is OK [09:12] schestowitz-TR (dang, still trying to recall the not-so-important thign I forgot, despite knowing it was rubbish) [09:22] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.14 [SeaMonkey 2.53.14/20221003001100]) [09:27] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@4f8tn9xbhxtc8.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [09:49] *starstreak has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [09:56] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.14 [SeaMonkey 2.53.14/20221003001100]) ● Oct 03 [10:27] Techrights-sec excellent [10:44] schestowitz-TR abck from workout, will record soon [10:44] schestowitz-TR irc ver on-optic [10:44] schestowitz-TR politics are in #techpol [10:44] schestowitz-TR it's good that I finsihed meeting those whom I needed to meet ● Oct 03 [12:03] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [12:04] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 03 [13:15] schestowitz-TR https://nitter.it/ [13:15] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-nitter.it [13:16] schestowitz-TR https://nitter.it/ [13:16] schestowitz-TR https://nitter.it/zoobab/status/1576881797618466821#m [13:16] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-zoobab "NO Software Patents" (@zoobab): "Linux Foundation makes 200.000.000USD/year, not bad for a charity http://techrights.org/2022/10/01/pseudo-charitable-front-group/"|nitter.it [13:24] *Techrights-sec2 (~quassel@freenode-j7a7ih.am6e.nqgd.t29qgt.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [13:31] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [13:43] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 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Watch them helping Microsoft... basically protecting criminals by blaming "Open Source" https://www.fosslife.org/hackers-target-it-staff-fake-job-offers-and-open-source-software see http://techrights.org/2022/10/01/blame-shifting/ [16:23] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.fosslife.org | Hackers Use Fake Job Offers and Open Source Software to Target IT Staff [16:23] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Microsoft Doesnt Like Open Source; Its Badmouthing, Stereotyping, Attacking It (to Shift Blame) | Techrights [16:23] schestowitz-TR OTA [16:24] schestowitz-TR "Club LF" [16:24] schestowitz-TR (LPI) [16:24] schestowitz-TR Microsoft pays, we parrot [16:24] schestowitz-TR the L in LPI stands for "Linux" [16:25] Techrights-sec ack [16:25] Techrights-sec that's how it usually works, once there are sellouts on staff or in decision [16:25] Techrights-sec making positions. worst of all is the situation where there are actual [16:25] Techrights-sec microsofters inside the organization. [16:26] schestowitz-TR just checked, it links to a Microsoft operative inside ZDNet [16:26] schestowitz-TR Liam Tung [16:26] schestowitz-TR ZDNet is a Microsoft/LF hostile force [16:26] schestowitz-TR I'm told lwn is too, but it's nowhere as bad as this [16:28] Techrights-sec LWN was important, like ZDNet too though well over a decade ago [16:30] schestowitz-TR Wow, the Web site of Spamnil is about as ignored as his videos. "13 views"... what's the point even running the thing? [16:35] schestowitz-TR is it wolrth reviving the free software credibility index? [16:35] schestowitz-TR btw, rianne submitted all the papers today ● Oct 03 [17:09] schestowitz-TR I was just reading some recipes [17:09] schestowitz-TR no JS [17:09] schestowitz-TR (gemini) [17:10] Techrights-sec :) [17:12] schestowitz-TR 1990s WWW: we send you description of a page. 2000s: we send you a page linked to other pages and light code to enhance appearance. 2010s: you need some big programs for easier navigation in site. 2020s: you cannot enter our site at all until you download and run our proprietary JS bundles. [17:18] Techrights-sec :) [17:18] Techrights-sec 2020s we send an unauthenticated program to run amok on your system's resources [17:19] schestowitz-TR it is an improvement over sending you some .EXE file to run on WIndows [17:19] schestowitz-TR but a big step back considering what COULD be accomplished with Web standards [17:21] schestowitz-TR Chrome has already becme an _"OS"_. See what ryan wrote about it this morning. [17:21] schestowitz-TR and what mozilla means to Gulag. [17:22] Techrights-sec Chrome (Chromium) as well as FF are no longer browsers but the crappiest, [17:22] Techrights-sec leakiest, and most insecure and inefficient form of VM [17:22] Techrights-sec FFS skip the browser and just have people fetch a docker or qemu image >:( [17:22] Techrights-sec That's the logical next step. [17:24] schestowitz-TR they use terms like sandbox and container [17:24] schestowitz-TR can you imagine using such a contruct to read recipes that I send to rianne if I like them? [17:24] schestowitz-TR maybe an ol' grandma's recipe book too should be a "VM" [17:24] schestowitz-TR with userspace and doas? [17:24] schestowitz-TR doas over [17:24] schestowitz-TR *doas oven [17:25] schestowitz-TR is that compatgible with screen readers? if not, you can make a complaint [17:28] schestowitz-TR reminds me of activescript/trash/swf files as 'sites' [17:28] schestowitz-TR that was 1990s as well [17:28] schestowitz-TR the web has bad ideas [17:28] schestowitz-TR sometimes they perish after a while [17:28] schestowitz-TR but this time around it's like activex except it penetrates mobile too [17:28] schestowitz-TR this could doom the web [17:28] schestowitz-TR maybe mobile "apps" are built with web/js frameworks [17:28] schestowitz-TR this is why a "modern" phone needs so many CPUs cores and has a battery like or old portable televisions [17:28] schestowitz-TR *life [17:29] Techrights-sec Those caused almost as much damage, the difference being was that ActiveX was [17:29] Techrights-sec only on optional sites; Now days the javascripts are the only gatekeepers to [17:29] Techrights-sec essential services. [17:29] schestowitz-TR in south korea activex penetrated banks and iirc gov. sites [17:30] Techrights-sec 11 cores? Ok, not 11 but way too many : https://cellularnews.com/mobile-phone/best-mobile-processors-top-10-high-performing-smartphones/ [17:30] Techrights-sec No wonder there is an electricity crisis with all those billions of phones [17:30] Techrights-sec (portable supercomputers) needing recharging many times a day. [17:30] Techrights-sec Then to add further injury, the wall warts are usually left plugged in when [17:30] Techrights-sec not charging by the dickheads using the "phones" [17:30] Techrights-sec Yes, South Korea has borderline terminal stage microsoftianism [17:30] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-cellularnews.com | Best Mobile Processors: Top 10 High Performing Smartphones [17:34] schestowitz-TR based on stattcounter korea is slow to dopt gnu/linux [17:34] schestowitz-TR i last chedked today, hoping to spot a change [17:34] schestowitz-TR the country has a cultural problem [17:34] schestowitz-TR and so concepts like software freedom fall on deaf ears [17:34] schestowitz-TR an american tech who worked with koreans explained this to me over a decade ago [17:34] schestowitz-TR after he had wrapped his head around thr way they think [17:34] schestowitz-TR seoul mikght be ok for holiday, but that's it [17:34] schestowitz-TR trhey immerse their life in the dumbest tech [17:34] schestowitz-TR similar to japanese, but there are differences [17:34] schestowitz-TR like robotics vs tech inside your toilets [17:35] schestowitz-TR or kpop vs jpop [17:35] schestowitz-TR they are not the same [17:35] schestowitz-TR but rather depressing vision of life and existence and being [17:35] schestowitz-TR a swede neighbour once told me they're know to be wortking strityluy 5 to 9 but not beyond [17:35] schestowitz-TR then there't he ubi thing [17:35] schestowitz-TR i think germans are like this too [17:35] schestowitz-TR brits just go to the pub with colleagues, but stay extra hours sometimes [17:37] Techrights-sec The country does not exist independently. It is a vassal state of M$ [17:37] Techrights-sec It's been like that since the 1990s [17:38] *starstreak (~starstreak@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [17:39] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [17:39] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [17:40] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [17:44] Techrights-sec otr: holy shit is it hard to find mention of her book online [17:44] schestowitz-TR are you using baskersoft fartfox? [17:44] schestowitz-TR *bakersoft? [17:50] schestowitz-TR going to post daily links, then take a break (rest) [17:50] schestowitz-TR good news: not so much microsoft spam/googlebombs so far this week [17:50] schestowitz-TR great news: irc s/n ratio was OK today and rianne got a lot done [17:50] schestowitz-TR annoying: seeing some new epo trash, but my expectations from reforms are low anyway [17:50] schestowitz-TR side note: earlier today i wasnted to tell rianner about the "immune-resistant" variant and then forgot to [17:50] schestowitz-TR when she came back home I suddenly remembered [17:50] schestowitz-TR so mystery solved [17:50] schestowitz-TR we like such news because it reaffirms our choices [17:50] schestowitz-TR though it's cruel re eollctive interest [17:50] Techrights-sec ... for some definitions of OK :/ [17:50] Techrights-sec ack [17:51] schestowitz-TR any improvement in S/N (IRC) is good news [17:51] schestowitz-TR techpol is active [17:53] schestowitz-TR rant: icewm is on github [17:53] schestowitz-TR maybe predating microsoft, but still [17:53] schestowitz-TR phoronix links a LOT to github [17:53] schestowitz-TR even when it's just a mirror [17:53] schestowitz-TR or an offical independent site has the same news or better [17:53] Techrights-sec many remain there on GitHub for a variety of invalid reasons [17:53] schestowitz-TR lwn quality did not worsen, it was always like that [17:53] schestowitz-TR phoronix, otho, did worsen [17:53] schestowitz-TR and you can smell the "businessman" from a mile (he prefers the term "enterprenuer") [17:54] schestowitz-TR i hope microsoft loses a LOT of money there [17:54] schestowitz-TR the other day a blogger you follow shilled GitHub Actions [17:54] schestowitz-TR i didn't link to that [17:54] schestowitz-TR he praised it [17:54] schestowitz-TR but they lose money on it [17:54] schestowitz-TR they entice peopple with workfload 'freebies' [17:54] schestowitz-TR it's not free [17:54] schestowitz-TR it's manipulating of the market [17:54] schestowitz-TR *tion [17:59] *liberty_box (~liberty@ngvjyiryrrbba.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [17:59] *rianne (~rianne@ngvjyiryrrbba.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [17:59] *rianne_ (~rianne@freenode-vjf.peq.k31cok.IP) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 03 [18:01] Techrights-sec bill has shown time and again that he is willing to lose money in an area [18:01] Techrights-sec indefinitely just to ensure that no one else makes money there either [18:01] Techrights-sec Then related to that you have the long list of economically unviable purchases [18:01] Techrights-sec make, appartently, only to prevent GNU/Linux and other FOSS systems from [18:01] Techrights-sec establishing a foothold in *any* visible market. Mojang was one example, [18:01] Techrights-sec there was starting to be a generation of kids that were finding out how [18:01] Techrights-sec much better any of the GNU/Linux distros were and induced absolute panic [18:01] Techrights-sec in Redmond by actually beginning how to learn to use said distros. [18:01] Techrights-sec The kids did not care about freedom, yet, but would have been exposed eventually [18:01] Techrights-sec What they were interested in was the better performance and improved ease of [18:02] Techrights-sec use of Minecraft on Linux over Minecraft on windoze [18:03] Techrights-sec https://www.engadget.com/2015-03-04-minecraft-notch-mojang-microsoft-purchase.html [18:03] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Microsoft bought 'Minecraft' after a single tweet by its creator | Engadget [18:04] schestowitz-TR it used to be OK until FF started experiumenting with url abbreviation [18:05] schestowitz-TR and gulag started rewriting urls using JS [18:05] schestowitz-TR for tracking purposes [18:05] schestowitz-TR anyway, lagrange also sucks at copy/paste support [18:05] Techrights-sec Yes they both also hide the real URL [18:05] schestowitz-TR fwiw [18:06] schestowitz-TR the status bar does not help and FF does not intercept and undo this behaviour [18:06] schestowitz-TR it's like mozilla is funded by gulag or something....... [18:06] Techrights-sec :/ [18:43] schestowitz-TR rest ● Oct 03 [19:53] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@uax6j9r5apawe.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 03 [20:44] *schestowitz-TR has quit (Connection closed) [20:45] *schestowitz-TR2 (~acer-box@freenode/user/schestowitz) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 03 [22:07] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [22:26] Techrights-sec ack ● Oct 03 [23:42] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [23:44] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell