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*Topic for #boycottnovell is: TechRights.org | Channel #boycottnovell for http://TechRights.org | Free Software Sentry – watching and reporting maneuvers of those who oppose software freedom :: please also join channels #techrights and #boycottnovell-socialDec 03 01:39
*Topic for #boycottnovell set by schestowitz!~schestowi@freenode-18vdut.5mai.fl0c.t29qgt.IP at Thu Jan 1 01:00:00 1970Dec 03 01:39
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schestowitz-TRalex gravely arrrested thius weekDec 03 02:25
schestowitz-TRgraveleyDec 03 02:25
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Techrights-sec2Interesting.  Link?Dec 03 03:07
schestowitz-TRno link. A source.Dec 03 03:08
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Techrights-sec2Would finding the police report be useful?Dec 03 03:18
schestowitz-TRwork in progressDec 03 03:18
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Techrights-sec2Was Graveley arrested for advancing M$ agenda and promoting its products?Dec 03 04:10
schestowitz-TRMuch worseDec 03 04:10
schestowitz-TRpsydruid: ^Dec 03 04:11
Techrights-sec2Hmm. That would be quite bad then.Dec 03 04:14
DaemonFCAnother CP scandal at Microsoft?Dec 03 04:14
Techrights-sec2back in a few hoursDec 03 04:14
schestowitz-TRDaemonFC: no, worseDec 03 04:14
DaemonFCWHAT WHAT!?Dec 03 04:14
schestowitz-TRI can't say yetDec 03 04:14
DaemonFCDid he murder someone?Dec 03 04:14
schestowitz-TRwe need the police records to be sureDec 03 04:14
schestowitz-TRDaemonFC: almostDec 03 04:14
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schestowitz-TRsameDec 03 11:03
schestowitz-TRthough will be in and out of earshot for some hours laterDec 03 11:03
Techrights-sec2sameDec 03 11:03
Techrights-sec2though will be in and out of earshot for some hours laterDec 03 11:03
schestowitz-TRwhat stepos are still required to make the gemini IRC pages serve gemtext instead of txt? I fell behind today due to work and errants outsideDec 03 11:03
schestowitz-TRerrands Dec 03 11:03
Techrights-sec2mostly just hard (or sym) linking to the .txt with the .gmi names, thenDec 03 11:05
Techrights-sec2after that it is just a matter of between 1 and 5 lines in the generation scriptDec 03 11:05
schestowitz-TRIf I understand correctly, you want to link to the text files but make it seem like they have another extension, or have two links, with two names to each file, then serve theseDec 03 11:06
schestowitz-TRfile1.txt, file1.gmi, where file1.txt is symlink to file1.txt and file1.gmi is also symlink to file1.txt Dec 03 11:07
Techrights-sec2(connecting to the RPi via SSH takes a long time at the momentDec 03 11:09
Techrights-sec2/home/gemini/gemini/tr_text_version has the .txt files which can be linked as Dec 03 11:09
Techrights-sec2.gmiDec 03 11:09
Techrights-sec2ln file01.txt file01.gmiDec 03 11:09
Techrights-sec2symlinks not necessary hard links are ok.  then they are the exact same fileDec 03 11:09
Techrights-sec2but with multiple namesDec 03 11:09
schestowitz-TRisee Dec 03 11:09
Techrights-sec2symbolic links have the advantage that there are in-your-face obviously linksDec 03 11:12
Techrights-sec2hardlinks can only be noticed by checking the inodes / number of linksDec 03 11:12
schestowitz-TRif I understand correcctly, old gemini links, with txt, would still be in tact,, soo nothingn of the old will beDec 03 11:13
schestowitz-TR made "page not found"Dec 03 11:13
Techrights-sec2correctDec 03 11:13
Techrights-sec2hardlinking is just adding another name to an existing file Dec 03 11:13
Techrights-sec2symbolic linking is just adding a pointer, however agate seems to choke on themDec 03 11:15
schestowitz-TRackDec 03 11:15
schestowitz-TRone metric of interest, e.g. in ,lupa, is how many capsules just serve old crap like txt and worse... as opposedDec 03 11:15
schestowitz-TR to what gemini was actually made for. the ratio is better when gmi is the norm Dec 03 11:15
schestowitz-TRwhen I click on gopher links it often pains me that I struggle to navigateDec 03 11:15
schestowitz-TRit is a good think gmi is made very readable even without parsing/interpreting/randering, so a plain text file wDec 03 11:18
schestowitz-TRith gmi is still looking OKDec 03 11:18
Techrights-sec2yesDec 03 11:20
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Techrights-sec2the .txt name is not needed, the old pages could be modified to point to      Dec 03 11:34
Techrights-sec2.gmi instead and then your script modified to produce only .gmiDec 03 11:34
Techrights-sec2Or it could stay the same and then each time a .txt is produced a hardlinkDec 03 11:34
Techrights-sec2named .gmi created.Dec 03 11:34
schestowitz-TRyesthe older files do not have gemtext formatting, so better leave references to them unchanged, maybe...?Dec 03 11:34
Techrights-sec2Technicaly that is still Gemtext but witout headings and links onlyDec 03 11:37
schestowitz-TRtrue, but that gives a wrong expectationDec 03 11:37
Techrights-sec2$ time find ~/gemini/tr_text_version/ -type f -name '*.txt' -exec sh -c 'grep -q "#" {} || echo {}' \;Dec 03 11:43
Techrights-sec2real    0m15.902sDec 03 11:43
Techrights-sec2user    0m9.881sDec 03 11:43
Techrights-sec2sys     0m5.286sDec 03 11:43
Techrights-sec2no non-gemtext .txt files foundDec 03 11:43
Techrights-sec2oops.  wrong patternDec 03 11:45
schestowitz-TRyesDec 03 11:45
schestowitz-TRyou got me confused there for a secDec 03 11:45
schestowitz-TRso I went and checked the capsuleDec 03 11:45
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psydruidnow he can rename Tomboy to JailedboyDec 03 12:00
psydruidor PrisonboyDec 03 12:01
schestowitz-TR:-)Dec 03 12:02
schestowitz-TRwait for mugshotsDec 03 12:02
schestowitz-TRcopilot has landed... IN PRISONDec 03 12:02
Techrights-sec2working on right patternDec 03 12:04
Techrights-sec2ok I misunderstood, there is no Gemtext markup anywhere, but plain text contentDec 03 12:04
Techrights-sec2is still valid for Gemtext so it works out anyway.  A way to label the fileDec 03 12:04
Techrights-sec2with .gmi suffix is needed for Agate since it goes by filename.Dec 03 12:04
schestowitz-TRyes, exactlyDec 03 12:04
schestowitz-TRtested wioth testing.txt, amfoa and lagrangeDec 03 12:04
Techrights-sec2in and out for the next few hours nowDec 03 12:17
schestowitz-TR0/Dec 03 12:17
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schestowitz-TRwas thinking while in kitchen ...... 1) would it be worth adding to irc logs in gmi the links in a clickable form? 2) it a way that make them seem 'compatible' with the txt version 3) with existing code written for blog posts?Dec 03 12:46
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Techrights-sec2The IRC log summaries have links: Dec 03 13:02
Techrights-sec2gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/12/02/irc-log-011221/Dec 03 13:02
Techrights-sec2or do you mean in these:Dec 03 13:02
Techrights-sec2gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-techrights-011221.txtDec 03 13:02
schestowitzyes, so the round round circles can become # and ##Dec 03 13:04
schestowitzand for a given line, e.g.Dec 03 13:04
schestowitz[roy] blah [link] and [another links]Dec 03 13:04
schestowitzthat becomes:Dec 03 13:04
schestowitz[roy] blah [link] and [another links]Dec 03 13:04
schestowitz=> linkDec 03 13:04
schestowitz=> another linkDec 03 13:04
Techrights-sec2Yes, that's easy to do with sed or awk but would create additional files,Dec 03 13:07
Techrights-sec2taking double the space.Dec 03 13:07
Techrights-sec2And in effect having multiple versions of the same content.  If the newDec 03 13:07
Techrights-sec2files could have # in front of the circle and ## in front of the double circlesDec 03 13:07
Techrights-sec2then that would probably be adequately readable in plain text tooDec 03 13:07
schestowitz-TRtrue Dec 03 13:07
schestowitz-TRdo you think hosting from home (various aspects) merits some videos? There are aspects of it not covered yet, but we're still exploting. the latest tc version if top notch.Dec 03 13:09
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schestowitz-TR*isDec 03 13:09
Techrights-sec2excellent.  I notice there is delay at the start of each SSH connection butDec 03 13:11
Techrights-sec2as far as I can tell it is not due to tc.Dec 03 13:11
Techrights-sec2Shall tc-shaper-07.sh go into git as tc-shaper.sh now?Dec 03 13:11
schestowitz-TRyes, I don't want to risk breaking what works OK nowDec 03 13:11
Techrights-sec2okDec 03 13:11
schestowitzbtw, irc network keeps growing https://netsplit.de/networks/statistics.php?net=techrightsDec 03 13:12
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Techrights-sec2ok it's in git now; sometime, not soon, it needs to be fitted for nft insteadDec 03 13:13
Techrights-sec2of iptablesDec 03 13:13
Techrights-sec2bbiabDec 03 13:13
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Techrights-sec2Excellent.  What happened to freenode was not good, but it looks like peopleDec 03 14:12
Techrights-sec2are realizing how vulnerable centralization makes things and are doing Dec 03 14:12
Techrights-sec2something to fix it.Dec 03 14:12
schestowitz-TR[13:14:29] <techrights-news> Another new #IRC network has made the cut. Self-hosting and decentrsalisation on the rise!! https://netsplit.de/networks/?query=applicantDec 03 14:13
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Techrights-sec2Excellent.  I wish the tech "press" woud pick up on this trend.  It is   Dec 03 14:15
Techrights-sec2important in many ways and for many reasons.Dec 03 14:15
schestowitz-TRlol. 'tech' 'press'. at the moment I see rms still shilling billgates via his 'press'... same for Omidyar's. But I don't want to be interpreted as attacking RMS. I mentioned this to him over a decade ago.Dec 03 14:16
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Techrights-sec2I'm concerned about RMS in that regard.  He is a specialist in some areasDec 03 14:25
Techrights-sec2and a world leader in a subset of those.  However, indirectly promoting patentsDec 03 14:25
Techrights-sec2llike that indirectly promotes sw patents which undoes some of the fine workDec 03 14:25
Techrights-sec2he has accomplished.  Dec 03 14:25
Techrights-sec2Grauniad covers a small handful of topics well and conscientiously to provideDec 03 14:25
Techrights-sec2cover for the drivel and propaganda they pump out on the other topics.Dec 03 14:25
Techrights-sec2Vaccines and health are not among those they cover well, for reasons you've justDec 03 14:25
Techrights-sec2pointed out.  Dec 03 14:25
Techrights-sec2I wonder how much pre-trial negitiation has gone on to try to ensure that Dec 03 14:25
Techrights-sec2bill does not get named during any of the testimony or cross examinations.Dec 03 14:25
schestowitz-TRhe refuses to realise he became an unwilling Gates megaphoneDec 03 14:26
schestowitz-TREven when I gave him examplesDec 03 14:26
schestowitz-TRhhe had invested decades of his life in this paperDec 03 14:26
schestowitz-TReven as author and commenterDec 03 14:26
schestowitz-TRhe even told me the new editor was once again more open to inpput, unlike prior onesDec 03 14:26
schestowitz-TRfor now, 40% of the time stallman.org is a traffic funnel for Bill's rag in the UKDec 03 14:31
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schestowitz-TRbecause of this, years ago when I spoke to RMS about Assange (after arrest IIRC) he said Julian had deservd it,Dec 03 14:33
schestowitz-TRor something to that effectDec 03 14:33
schestowitz-TRactually, iirc it was befroe the arrest... when Micah Lee (Omidyar salaries) attacked Assange regularlyDec 03 14:33
Techrights-sec2yes, they were one of the sites that attacked JA the mostDec 03 14:33
schestowitz-TRand last week daemon and I were still awed by the RMS post citing Olidyar's Intercept-For-The-State saying inflation is actually GOODDec 03 14:34
Techrights-sec2they built up a false, but highly negative narrative around him   Dec 03 14:37
Techrights-sec2:(Dec 03 14:37
Techrights-sec2I'm not sure of the real purpose of The Intercept nor about Greenwald.    Dec 03 14:37
Techrights-sec2However, it sure looks like one of the main goals if not on of the main purposesDec 03 14:37
Techrights-sec2was to corner the market on Snowden's material and quietly dispose of it Dec 03 14:37
Techrights-sec2and get it out of public discourse.  That and they hung several out to dry, suchDec 03 14:37
Techrights-sec2as Reality Winner and the others.Dec 03 14:37
schestowitz-TRLaura GOODPoitriasDec 03 14:38
schestowitz-TRspellingDec 03 14:38
schestowitz-TRthey can capture key people and 'convert' them with the moneyDec 03 14:38
schestowitz-TRSee Chelsea Manning on GreenwaldDec 03 14:38
Techrights-sec2Yes.  But manning gets ignored these days and has kind of committed self-goalsDec 03 14:38
Techrights-sec2a few times.  Dec 03 14:38
schestowitzvery good article: https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/09/24/glenn-greenwald-is-not-your-misunderstood-left-comrade/Dec 03 14:39
-altlink_290/#boycottnovell-📣 Cloudflare: counterpunch.org | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/09/24/glenn-greenwald-is-not-your-misunderstood-left-comrade/Dec 03 14:39
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.counterpunch.org | Glenn Greenwald is Not Your Misunderstood Left Comrade - CounterPunch.orgDec 03 14:39
Techrights-sec2ackDec 03 14:42
Techrights-sec2Yes, I saw that one back a few months ago.  Dec 03 14:42
schestowitz-TRmodus (note to self, crude)Dec 03 14:44
schestowitz-TRthey put in capitalDec 03 14:44
schestowitz-TRthey identify who needs to be sucked inDec 03 14:44
schestowitz-TRif they cannot cancel or scare themDec 03 14:44
schestowitz-TRthen they get them to:Dec 03 14:44
schestowitz-TR1) discredit selves orDec 03 14:44
schestowitz-TR2) change their tuneDec 03 14:44
schestowitz-TRKGB and CPC love putting force confessions on tape, in the West it is more subtaleDec 03 14:44
schestowitz-TRGlenn and de Icaza found brazil and millions of dollard, monetising their selloutDec 03 14:44
Techrights-sec2yes.  Dec 03 14:45
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Techrights-sec2deicaza was a sellout from day one.  he was always trying tu undermine fossDec 03 14:54
Techrights-sec2and sucking up to redmond. m$ has never been a leader in technology yetDec 03 14:54
Techrights-sec2deicaza wanted to cease development and advancement, turn around, and getDec 03 14:54
Techrights-sec2behind m$ and follow it instead of advancing.  Even back in the "Rebel Code" daysDec 03 14:54
Techrights-sec2he comes across as a dickheadDec 03 14:54
Techrights-sec2back i na bitDec 03 14:54
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schestowitz-TRhttps://nitter.eu/yuhong2/status/1466691694636662784#mDec 03 15:52
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-nitter.eu | Yuhong Bao (@yuhong2): "SATA SSDs dates back to around the time when even Techrights/Boycott Novell used to have Google ads." | nitterDec 03 15:52
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/HAX/status/1466699168383180800Dec 03 17:17
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@HAX: @schestowitz The same people who demand draconian IP rules when it profits themselves?Dec 03 17:17
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/OhnemusN/status/1466766567794872320Dec 03 17:17
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@OhnemusN: @schestowitz Ugh wtf is this bsDec 03 17:17
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/TomFran45400947/status/1466768488870121476Dec 03 17:17
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@TomFran45400947: @OhnemusN @schestowitz An uninformed clown..Dec 03 17:17
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/liztormato/status/1466429024956203011Dec 03 17:18
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@liztormato: #rakulang https://t.co/WbpD8CxzA3Dec 03 17:18
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: "While reading Arne`s solution for Challenge #140.2, I spotted a nested simple loop." https://t.co/DjcDVbxnik #Programming #RakuDec 03 17:18
schestowitzhttps://nitter.eu/liztormato/status/1466429024956203011Dec 03 17:19
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-nitter.eu | 🦋 Elizabeth Mattijsen (@liztormato): "#rakulang" | nitterDec 03 17:19
schestowitz<li><h5><a href="https://nitter.eu/Augustia0017/status/1466767439803281411">Augustia (@Augustia0017): &quot;Bill Gates Controlling Media, Education, World Health Organization with Multiple ties to Epstein &amp; Media Mogul Rupert Murdoch? RUPERT MURDOCH PART OF CIA &amp; #MilitaryIndustrialComplex? https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.michaelwest.com.au&#x2F;white-mans-media-rupert-murdoch-and-the-us-imperium&#x2F; http:&#x2F;&#x2F;techrights.org&#x2F;2012&#Dec 03 17:19
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 404 @ https://nitter.eu/Augustia0017/status/1466767439803281411">Augustia )Dec 03 17:19
schestowitzx2F;02&#x2F;01&#x2F;control-over-the-minds&#x2F; https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bitchute.com&#x2F;video&#x2F;MJAa6lyEnCCR&quot; | nitter</a></h5>Dec 03 17:19
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Firefly_fan/status/1466716872951439362Dec 03 17:19
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Firefly_fan: ¿Hemos estado GAFAdos por Microsoft? https://t.co/iyUPyEoXfQDec 03 17:19
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> techrights.org | Microsoft is a Lot Worse Than Google, Amazon, Facebook, and Apple | TechrightsDec 03 17:19
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