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>>> https://fsfellowship.eu/matthias-kirschner-fsfe-objectifies-women-valentines-day/

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>>> (Bonnie Mehring)

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>>> https://fsfellowship.eu/matthias-kirschner-fsfe-coercing-interns-to-be-photographed/

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>>> (Olga Gkotsopoulou)

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>> This is not a mistake. I didn't select the photo, Twitter picks up the

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>> photos. The sentence quoted is the first sentence in the corresponding

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>> article.

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> I understand you didn't tell Twitter to use that photo but nonetheless

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> it is not the right photo for that text, if there is any way you can

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> change the photo it would be helpful.

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>> Either way, I think you should write about someone in Germany, FSFE I

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>> assume, working to censor mere tweets behind the scenes. Twitter could

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>> take action without even telling me.

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> I already assumed that they have silent censorship, for example, they

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> tend to let feel-good causes go viral but if you post something deep and

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> meaningful they don't want other users to feel stressed so they bury it.

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> I actually warned the world about Twitter and Facebook in my comments at

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> the UN forum, did you see the video?

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> https://archive.fosdem.org/2021/schedule/event/free_comms/

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-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-archive.fosdem.org | FOSDEM 2021 - Towards free, private and secure communications

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>> I've asked Twitter to allow me to challenge this.

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> Having an account with Twitter, Facebook or Google only gives them

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> credibility

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> When you put effort into building a following on Twitter it is like

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> fixing a house that you are renting. As a tenant, you don't get to keep

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> the benefits of the work you do there.

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That is a great analogy.

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Years ago I stopped putting any efforts into such sites.

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Whatever exists, if it requires no additional efforts, might stay.

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>>> but the tweet words are about FSFE, that is these photos and links:

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>>> https://fsfellowship.eu/matthias-kirschner-fsfe-objectifies-women-valentines-day/

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>>> (Bonnie Mehring)

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>>>

>>> https://fsfellowship.eu/matthias-kirschner-fsfe-coercing-interns-to-be-photographed/

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-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-fsfellowship.eu | Matthias Kirschner & FSFE: Objectifying women for Valentines Day

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>>> (Olga Gkotsopoulou)

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>> This is not a mistake. I didn't select the photo, Twitter picks up the

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-fsfellowship.eu | Matthias Kirschner & FSFE: Coercing interns to be photographed

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>> photos. The sentence quoted is the first sentence in the corresponding

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>> article.

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> I understand you didn't tell Twitter to use that photo but nonetheless

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> it is not the right photo for that text, if there is any way you can

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> change the photo it would be helpful.

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>> Either way, I think you should write about someone in Germany, FSFE I

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>> assume, working to censor mere tweets behind the scenes. Twitter could

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>> take action without even telling me.

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> I already assumed that they have silent censorship, for example, they

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> tend to let feel-good causes go viral but if you post something deep and

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> meaningful they don't want other users to feel stressed so they bury it.

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> I actually warned the world about Twitter and Facebook in my comments at

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> the UN forum, did you see the video?

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> https://archive.fosdem.org/2021/schedule/event/free_comms/

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-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-archive.fosdem.org | FOSDEM 2021 - Towards free, private and secure communications

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>> I've asked Twitter to allow me to challenge this.

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> Having an account with Twitter, Facebook or Google only gives them

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> credibility

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> When you put effort into building a following on Twitter it is like

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> fixing a house that you are renting. As a tenant, you don't get to keep

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> the benefits of the work you do there.

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That is a great analogy.

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Years ago I stopped putting any efforts into such sites.

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Whatever exists, if it requires no additional efforts, might stay.

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<h5><a href="https://fossforce.com/2022/01/new-community-manager-at-opensource-com-to-focus-on-accessibility/">New Community Manager at OpenSource.com to Focus on Accessibility</a></h5>

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-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-fossforce.com | New Community Manager at OpenSource.com to Focus on Accessibility - FOSS Force

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<p>A major open source internet destination has a new senior community manager.</p>

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<p>In an article published on Red Hat’s community website on New Year’s Day, AmyJune Hineline introduced herself as Opensource.com’s new senior community manager.</p></blockquote></li>

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Hello World! I'm TechrightsBN running phIRCe v0.75

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Jan 04 09:04

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I think that the general direction isn't trying to fix or stay with IBM but to sh

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ift away from that thing, one bit at a time

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whose general direction?

Jan 04 09:11

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more legible:

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rpms mess things up, grub2 is IMO unreliable, yet these are important updates

Jan 04 09:17

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$ yum check-updates | sed -e '0,/^$/d' | wc -l

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iirc, you got the whole thing running on a laptop with devuan

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yes a few years ago (2018 iirc) those are all gone but I do the daily backup stil

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very good, thank you. I was about to back up IRC

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It'd probably take a day or two but I could get it running on a laptop again

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however the way is slow, clumsy, and wrong due to lack of familiarity with LXC

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there are also some very important security changes needed such as

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not running HTTPd as a login account

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If that much work / refactoring is to be done, it would be about the same or

Jan 04 09:22

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less work to move to a static site generator at the same time

Jan 04 09:22

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ack

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I have two question I wished to ask you

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1) OSI sent a nice message to me. Can we reconcile?

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2) should I be posting again in Twitter AT ALL?

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If that much work / refactoring is to be done, it would be about the same or

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less work to move to a static site generator at the same time

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1) reconilliation would require substantial reform on their part

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given the direction they have chosen to head recently, thatwill be challenging

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at best.

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2) no, but it would be important to fight that mark which certainly accompanied

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the ban, ... BUT ... opponents do exploit silence in twitter so that abuse

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has to be addressed in some way, but prefereably not in twitter itself

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one reason, of many, to avoid twitter is that M$ and the others with armies of

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astroturfers can effectively pull a DoS by tangling you up in admnistrivia

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or bans, eventually the algorithm will kick in and there will be real difficulty

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especially if the reasons for the bans are not contested, it's a pain and they

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mean it to be a pain, that way twitter and those backed by the interests backing

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twitter (i.e. the current OSI board companies) can speak unopposed

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renting is a very good analogy, but in the case of a lot of computing

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a more accurate analogy would be sharecropping

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thanks for these answers. I could barely see the text at first because of the sun

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about to start new epo series

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ack

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I wonder what could be done to get national news in EU countries to

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pick up on the EPO? A major barrier to coverage is the inability to compress

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it to soundbites and the general deference IT (bullshit) has been given and

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how much it is controlled by bill's fifth columnists.

http://techrights.org/wiki/EPO_in_2021

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in 2021 you wrote a short page about the situation, and it was read thousands of times

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I think such pages can help, esp. if composed for outsiders (to the system)

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Link?

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Jan 04 09:54

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | EPO in 2021 - Techrights

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see drafts, just added one

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typos very very likely

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yes, such pages can help

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one difficulty is that all regions and countries are engaged in races to the

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bottom and people are subjected to the psychological equivalent of a buffer

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overflow due to too many outrages and unaddressed scandals to manage.

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social control media makes the problem worse by having each week a

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tempest in a teapot for people to becoe appoplectic about for a few hours

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or days before moving on to the next contrived outrage, while the real

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scandalous news lies ignored completely by design

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exactly!!

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sorry, was away for a bit in kitchen chat

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talked to rianne about what we had discussed, she

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will also bring tux machines up to date shortly

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re EPO, I think we need toi rethink the publicstion modality

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Thus it is very important to publish news from the staff perspective while

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any staff remain.

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^ at the EPO. Already the patent examiners seem to have been culled many times

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and through many means.

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tossing long videos online is not the way

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spamnil abuses me a lot

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with his single-digit (view) crapola

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there was a good number of sites that did, in the past, experiment with alternati

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ve publication methods

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rianne says confronting in twitter is still necessary

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the temptation to lose patience for it all is there

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yes

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It is telling that LF flushes money down the toilet on his antics.

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that is part of their game, as mentioned before. Those at the top political

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level all play many games concurrently. One of them is that the first to

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lost composure is out. Unfortunately we are in a period of time when it has

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become acceptable to engage in lies and other unacceptable behavior in order

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to elicit emotional responses and thus manipulate opponents out of contention.

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Why can't FSFE and FFII pick up some of the load? sw patents are a direct

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threat to both groups' interests. Have they become dining clubs instead?

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ack

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not much is (in practice) left of ffii excpe my mate ben

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pieter died, too

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yes that was a sore blow but institutions can recover if designed well

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However, regardless of design, the stronger the person running things the

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more of a vacuum they leave when gone.

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I saw that as a student and decided that leaders should be judged by how

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well things run during the two or three years after their departure.

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I find this conversation very motivational and constructive, so bear with me...

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Jan 04 10:21

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processing and internalising a number of things at once, lost my marbles a bit after irc network reboot and all the rest

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btw, andy is very eager to do collabs with us

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excellent! That is very good news.

Jan 04 10:23

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whereasd the person who taught me ipfs vanished so suddently along with his web site and email address. I do not even know how to contact him

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His series has been great and each post

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has hit very important topics, in an approachable manner.

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:/ that leaves a question about what to do about IPFS support in the longer term

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I was contacted by Twitter and then by email by some "web3" company

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which says it can help us I am sceptical, but did not commit to anything

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I don't know enough about either IPFS or the company to make an assessment

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Apologies but I will defer IPFS questions to others. I seem to be missing

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some core concept regarding IFPS

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the ts;dr version

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it is p2p

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but hashes or addresses are in circulation among peeers so no single point of fai

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lure like TPB

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yes, the P2P I see, the details elude me however and those are necessary for

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dealing with IPFS in practice.

https://firstwefeast.com/drink/2016/01/surprising-history-of-pogs-juice-company

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lots and lots od dht packets, about as useful as crypto [sic] cranks

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cryptcurrency?

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cryptocurrency == waste of electricity / CO2

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agreed

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my opinion is that Bitcoin is a failed experiment on electronic cash, which was turned into evil thing by big entities

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and it exists because unaware individuals who think it is still "decentralized"

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though really idk why do people pay for NFT

Jan 04 10:42

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that just lets us satirise the whole mentality

Jan 04 10:42

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bitcoin was a very successful experiment, but it *ended* completely in 2009

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what's left well that's not the experiment but simply a crowd sifting through

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lab trash out on the curb.

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bitcoin and other cryptocurrency: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pogs

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-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-en.wikipedia.org | Milk caps (game) - Wikipedia

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lol, I used to collect those

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Back to EPO, I would suspect that the end game they have planned is

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financialization. That would enable them to fire the staff and keep a handful

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of beancounters around, with whom they share ideals and goals. One or two

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patent examiners would be kept around so they could claim to be in business

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but the examiner(s) would be on a really short leash, more so than now.

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AFAIK, both Apple and M$ have changed to financialization and gotten mostly

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out of their original business of hardware and marketing respectively. However,

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M$ and to a lesser extent Apple retain their activities in lobbying, since it is

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a necessity at that level, apple with its trillions and m$ with its debt.

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> Hi,

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> Hope you had a great holiday break. Very best wishes for 2022!

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> For me, 2021 ended and 2022 began with a 10 part series published on

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> techrights.org, a popular site for software freedom issues.

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> It continues the theme of living a "healthy digital life" - as much as

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> we can.

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> Starting ere you can probably find links to all the parts.

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> https://techrights.org/2022/01/03/article-on-digital-rights-in-2021-part-10/

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-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | My Year as a Digital Vegan — Part X — Happy New Year: Thoughts for 2022 and Beyond | Techrights

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> I hope _you_ are keeping very well, still happy and thriving

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> and not letting technology drive you too crazy.

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Re: Article: 2021 Review. My year as a Digital Vegan

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RMS:

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>> Packaging a program in distros is crucial for the community because it

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>> leads to various teams that independently work on the program, and

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>> thus have a chance to make sure it is honest. This is why free

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>> software tends not to be malware.

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> This does not happen in practice but it could happen.

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> In Debian I've observed that people put more scrutiny on each other than

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> on the code.

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> The words used in their most recent mob outbreak can be seen as a

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> confession that decisions are made by secret tribunals and secret

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> (fictional) evidence.

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> The mentality behind that needs careful analysis: they are saying "trust

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> us because we are a distribution". Yet the moment we let our guard down

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> and give anybody absolute trust, they will change the rules. It is

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> human nature and it happens in every domain.

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> Several character attack emails, including the anti-Appelbaum mob (2016)

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> and anti-RMS mob at Easter 2021, were linked to a Pentagon employee,

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> Paul Tagliamonte. He was pictured with the chairman of the joint

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> chiefs. We are asked to trust all the words of these mobs because "it

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> is Debian". In Afghanistan, when they made a drone strike on a guy

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> transporting water bottles, the Pentagon also asked us to trust them,

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> their anonymous experts had confirmed he was a suicide bomber.

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> These people and their goals appear to be intent upon preventing

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> distributions from fully achieving their potential as independent and

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> trustworthy reviewers of code. Above all else, they are creating a cult

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> around their name. The code, even if it is better than malware, is

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> still second to their aggressive (anti-)social agendas.

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>> You may be right that it doesn't particularly help on other dimensions,

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>> but this one is a must.

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>> Also, we in our community use distros of GNU/Linux, so if we sponsor or promote

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>> a program (game or not) we will want it to be packaged for our distros.