●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Thursday, August 04, 2022 ●● ● Aug 04 [01:26] schestowitz-TR 0/ [01:26] schestowitz-TR 24 hours later the copying of ~gemini still goes on [01:26] schestowitz-TR when it's done I'll do some more tests, then clone the system again (to have a spare) [01:26] schestowitz-TR because sealing the device and figuring out how to handle ipfs [01:26] schestowitz-TR but I just want gemini resotred fully first (not an older clone) [01:33] schestowitz-TR For the sixth time in 2 days, 'Linux Today' posts spammy "plugs" as "news". http://techrights.org/2022/08/01/linux-today-zdnet/ [01:33] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Weird Editorial Choices in Linux Today These Past Few Hours (Updatedx4) | Techrights ● Aug 04 [02:02] schestowitz-TR Sam Varghese no longer covers GNU/Linux or rebuts Microsoft lies. 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[02:15] schestowitz > Subject: Recusing myself from Outreachy applicant selection decisions, [02:15] schestowitz > internships funding [02:15] schestowitz > Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2016 12:37:46 +0200 [02:15] schestowitz > [02:15] schestowitz > Hey all, [02:15] schestowitz > [02:15] schestowitz > As of today, the person I'm involved with, Pauline Pommeret, is applying [02:15] schestowitz > to an [02:15] schestowitz > Outreachy internship in Debian (on the GPG cleanroom environment project - I [02:15] schestowitz > don't see her mail on the list archive yet, so something must have gone [02:15] schestowitz > wrong, [02:15] schestowitz > but it should arrive soon enough). [02:15] schestowitz > [02:15] schestowitz > To avoid an obvious conflict of interest, I am recusing myself for any [02:15] schestowitz > decisions regarding applicant selections for this round. [02:15] schestowitz > [02:15] schestowitz > I am of course still happy to serve as a liaison with the Outreachy program [02:16] schestowitz > administrators, and to forward our applicants to them for general [02:16] schestowitz > funding when [02:16] schestowitz > selected, if the money allocated by Debian runs out. [02:16] schestowitz > [02:16] schestowitz > This would especially be relevant, in my opinion, to RTC projects, as [02:16] schestowitz > I'm not [02:16] schestowitz > sure at all that we should fund them from Debian money directly. Karen [02:16] schestowitz > Sandler [02:16] schestowitz > also told me that one of the Outreachy sponsors was interested in funding [02:16] schestowitz > interns on Reproducible Builds. All in all, we should be able to have two or [02:16] schestowitz > three internship slots with Debian only disbursing one. [02:16] schestowitz > [02:16] schestowitz > I'll stay on the outreach@d.o alias for now, but let me know if you need [02:16] schestowitz > help [02:16] schestowitz > ranking applicants, and I'll ask DSA to remove me so you can discuss at [02:16] schestowitz > ease. [02:16] schestowitz > [02:16] schestowitz > Cheers, [02:16] schestowitz > -- Nicolas Dandrimont ● Aug 04 [04:04] schestowitz-TR July COVID-19 Hospitalisation Statistics Compared: 3,008 in 2020, 18,513 in 2021, 47,018 in 2022 (This Past Month 16 Times More Than First Year of Coronavirus Breakout) https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/08/04/covid19-hospitalisation-statistics/ [04:04] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive July COVID-19 Hospitalisation Statistics Compared: 3,008 in 2020, 18,513 in 2021, 47,018 in 2022 (This Past Month 16 Times More Than First Year of Coronavirus Breakout) [04:26] schestowitz-TR United Kingdom (England, Scotland, Wales, NI) COVID-19 Hospitalisation Rates Compared: July 2022 Eleven Times Worse Than July 2020 https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/08/04/indifference-to-covid/ [04:26] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive United Kingdom (England, Scotland, Wales, NI) COVID-19 Hospitalisation Rates Compared: July 2022 Eleven Times Worse Than July 2020 [04:36] *britney has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Aug 04 [05:05] schestowitz-TR gm! [05:05] schestowitz-TR excellent, thanks [05:05] schestowitz-TR gemini is almost fully restored for TR, but rsync still going [05:05] Techrights-sec gm [05:05] Techrights-sec tm-generate-feed is fixed, it was quick to find the problem [05:05] Techrights-sec please give it a test [05:05] Techrights-sec gm [05:05] Techrights-sec tm-generate-feed is fixed, it was quick to find the problem [05:05] Techrights-sec please give it a test [05:07] schestowitz Record added [05:07] schestowitz Can't locate object method "disconect" via package "DBI::db" at /usr/local/bin/tm-generate-feed.pl line 321. [05:07] schestowitz Issuing rollback() due to DESTROY without explicit disconnect() of DBD::SQLite::db handle dbname=/var/www/tuxmachines.org/db/tm-static-site-generator.sqlite3 at /usr/local/bin/tm-generate-feed.pl line 321. [05:07] schestowitz Can't locate object method "disconect" via package "DBI::db" at /usr/local/bin/tm-generate-feed.pl line 321. [05:07] schestowitz Issuing rollback() due to DESTROY without explicit disconnect() of DBD::SQLite::db handle dbname=/var/www/tuxmachines.org/db/tm-static-site-generator.sqlite3 at /usr/local/bin/tm-generate-feed.pl line 321. [05:08] Techrights-sec wait, I have to copy the file :/ [05:08] Techrights-sec ok, for some reason the git clone is not getting updated automatically [05:08] Techrights-sec by the update script [05:08] Techrights-sec testing on site ... [05:17] Techrights-sec yes, there are some other weirdnesses, the script works locally but not [05:17] Techrights-sec on tm-new [05:17] Techrights-sec checking ... [05:29] schestowitz-TR planet gemini fully restored and tested now [05:29] schestowitz-TR the main thing I 'lost' was a couple of lines in crontabs [05:29] schestowitz-TR which I can bring back from memory [05:29] schestowitz-TR and some days' gemini archives [05:29] schestowitz-TR OS-wise I think the only changes we made since the last cloning was adding throttling scripts and sudoers [05:29] schestowitz-TR I'll have to go through a list of items to restore, which I wrote down [05:29] schestowitz-TR BTW, is an SD card becomes unbootable [05:29] schestowitz-TR any chance of or reason to try to rewrite things to it afresh? [05:29] schestowitz-TR like using the "bad" card as a clone for the USB system? [05:29] schestowitz-TR just tested the 16GB cars, the one I got with the pi [05:29] schestowitz-TR root cannot be mounted [05:29] schestowitz-TR only boot and settings [05:29] schestowitz-TR 3 partitions [05:29] schestowitz-TR that's the debian 10 card [05:29] schestowitz-TR nothing in the 32GB one can even be mounted afaict [05:30] schestowitz-TR so I assume card damage [05:30] schestowitz-TR I tried it on two laptop while under time pressure due to long outage and other issues [05:30] schestowitz-TR rianne's clone card seems to work perectly OK, as it ought to [05:30] schestowitz-TR but I'd not trust this latest 32GB one [05:30] schestowitz-TR San Disk, but lasted barely 7 months [05:30] Techrights-sec ack [05:37] Techrights-sec seems solved now, Git is still confusing and the old files were still present [05:37] Techrights-sec and a lot of small changes have been pushed with now, finally, show up [05:37] Techrights-sec in the clone [05:37] Techrights-sec IPFS is very write intensive, that might be a factor in the short lives of [05:37] Techrights-sec the microSD cards [05:40] schestowitz-TR btw, are gemini permissions suffient for gemserv to send the gmi files? [05:40] schestowitz-TR I cannot get to any of them over gemini:// [05:40] schestowitz-TR but I assume this is far from finalised [05:40] schestowitz-TR I'll go get rest soon, been up all night [05:44] schestowitz-TR https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/08/04/covid19-hospitalisation-statistics/ [05:44] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Resolving timed out after 10518 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/08/04/covid19-hospitalisation-statistics/ ) [05:44] schestowitz-TR at bottom, a new reference from the US gov. [05:45] schestowitz-TR on how getting infected messes up the brain [05:45] schestowitz-TR permanently, based on a study [05:45] schestowitz-TR published july 2020 [05:46] schestowitz-TR sorry, 2022 [05:46] Techrights-sec :( ● Aug 04 [06:00] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [06:01] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Aug 04 [07:35] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [07:42] Techrights-sec ack [07:42] Techrights-sec double checked the update scripts, they seem to work ● Aug 04 [08:01] schestowitz-TR gemini rsync done [08:01] schestowitz-TR now copying in the missing bulletins and irc log files (text, html, gmi) [08:01] schestowitz-TR will later test as a sanity [08:01] schestowitz-TR check. [08:01] schestowitz-TR I am going to reboot this machine shortly, I want to also be sure the SD slot works OK [08:01] schestowitz-TR I did a lot of work on it during the outage, worried I might have damaged something [08:01] schestowitz-TR though judging by the state of the card, it's just the card itself having a defect [08:01] schestowitz-TR I'll try to boot rianne's clone on it just to be sure [08:01] schestowitz-TR then back to USB [08:01] schestowitz-TR would you suggest cloning from USB to USB or USB to sd card? I'd have to buy a spare (still undecided on how to do IPFS) ● Aug 04 [09:07] schestowitz-TR UDPATE: 9am - so rianne's microsd backup is fine, the sd slot works fine, it boots nicely and fast on [09:07] schestowitz-TR my pi. I'll now finalise things here, still undecided on ipfs, then make a newer clone of rianne's [09:07] schestowitz-TR machine to that same card. She uses that machine for NOC a lot. 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[09:56] schestowitz-TR when done, I'll clone the OS again [09:56] schestowitz-TR fixed now [09:56] schestowitz-TR last time (first outage 2 monmths ago) [09:56] schestowitz-TR I grepped for wlan0 [09:56] schestowitz-TR I'll do it again and push to git in case it's not done already [09:56] schestowitz-TR seems I already pushed those changes, commented out wlan and explained when to change that over ● Aug 04 [10:11] Techrights-sec great [10:11] Techrights-sec ack [10:11] Techrights-sec ok [10:11] Techrights-sec I'm still wondering how to manage the system customizations for tm-new [10:11] Techrights-sec a Git repository would lose the file permissions and such settings [10:11] Techrights-sec but simply copying to a spare directory hierarchy and tar'ing that [10:11] Techrights-sec would not track changes [10:14] schestowitz-TR I've restored the hourly updates to planet [10:14] schestowitz-TR but I think the IRC reminders were one liners in crontab files [10:14] schestowitz-TR which I did not backup to ~pi/crontab [10:14] schestowitz-TR recently enough [10:14] schestowitz-TR but not much lost, just some one-liner, which probably annoys anyway [10:14] schestowitz-TR chat should refrresh as often as the ddos wqatcher refreshes, [10:14] schestowitz-TR if it runs, which it does not, every 10 mins [10:14] schestowitz-TR *now [10:14] Techrights-sec how often does gemini.techrights.org/chat/ get refreshed? [10:14] Techrights-sec ack [10:14] Techrights-sec It says Aug 03 for some reason, today is Aug 04 [10:14] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [10:14] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@5tcc2vuaj9aks.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [10:24] schestowitz-TR try NOW [10:24] schestowitz-TR updated OK, I can see it here now [10:24] schestowitz-TR at 4am symlinks will be created for some "missing" files [10:24] schestowitz-TR but I still don't know if I want to carry on running ipfs from the usb [10:24] Techrights-sec The date on the RPi is ok [10:24] Techrights-sec ack [10:24] schestowitz-TR started copying across ipfs files [10:24] schestowitz-TR I can change my mind later [10:24] schestowitz-TR it can take 1-2 days to copy! [10:24] schestowitz-TR upside of this incident (main downside was loss of unimportant things and loss of time) [10:24] schestowitz-TR network (wifi) OK again [10:25] schestowitz-TR I can mout external disk again [10:25] schestowitz-TR iptables works again [10:25] schestowitz-TR it runs on usb, which I hope will last longer [10:25] schestowitz-TR I'll try to get on with other stuff now [10:25] schestowitz-TR a "necessary" nuisance, not my fault (like the 2 outages) [10:44] schestowitz https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/04/gosling__Natural_Sounding_Text-to-Speech_in_the_Terminal.shtml symbol in the title seems to have been mishandled a bit [10:44] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-news.tuxmachines.org | Tux Machines gosling Natural Sounding Text-to-Speech in the Terminal ● Aug 04 [11:02] Techrights-sec checking [11:02] Techrights-sec it's in the db ok so the problem lies with the extraction script [11:02] Techrights-sec checking [11:02] Techrights-sec ok check the URL now [11:02] Techrights-sec thanks for spotting that, I think it's fixed and can be added to Git [11:02] Techrights-sec hmm the deletion routine will have to be updated to handle removal of [11:02] Techrights-sec files from the Gemini hierachy, too. [11:10] schestowitz-TR sorry for late response [11:10] schestowitz-TR re-ran end of month tasks on the pi [11:10] schestowitz-TR as the last backup was right before end of month [11:10] schestowitz-TR also posted Daily Links just now [11:10] schestowitz-TR lots of Gemini catchup in these [11:10] schestowitz-TR no politics yet [11:10] schestowitz-TR I also feel lucky this week is as dry as a tumble [11:10] schestowitz-TR news-wise [11:10] schestowitz-TR so not much temptation to cover things, putting out fires instead [11:10] schestowitz-TR hopefully no more outages for another 16 years, except those caused by us (fuse) [11:11] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [11:11] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [11:11] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@5tcc2vuaj9aks.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [11:11] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [11:14] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@uppxs3cubs7tc.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [11:15] Techrights-sec ack [11:15] Techrights-sec major electrical outages are a PITA [11:16] schestowitz-TR on /home/gemini (tux-machines-new) [11:16] schestowitz-TR /n has + in permissions [11:16] schestowitz-TR 2022 hasn't [11:16] schestowitz-TR a limitation which I'm not sure imperils public access to nodes there [11:16] schestowitz-TR didn't investigate yet [11:16] schestowitz-TR I'm just "protecting" dirs with blank index.gmi [11:16] schestowitz-TR though I think all gemini servers would serve nothing regardless [11:16] schestowitz-TR they don't do directory listings [11:16] schestowitz-TR oh, I see now, group membership exluded from writing [11:16] Techrights-sec checking permisssions (ACLs are a necessary evil to overcome umask settings [11:16] Techrights-sec in a group situation) [11:16] Techrights-sec yes, the settings are correct [11:16] Techrights-sec the subdirectories need correction though [11:26] schestowitz-TR this helps explain why you could add to gemini and I could not [11:26] schestowitz-TR you own the dirs and no "w" for group [11:26] schestowitz-TR group gemtext [11:26] schestowitz-TR I see you've g + w [11:26] schestowitz-TR I think the dummy index.gmi I put there can be later made to list something for year, month, date [11:26] schestowitz-TR like in techrights, in case navigation was ever to include that level of granularity, such as [11:26] schestowitz-TR monthly archives [11:26] schestowitz-TR that would be similar in WWW [11:26] schestowitz-TR => January [11:26] schestowitz-TR => February [11:26] schestowitz-TR for crawlers' sake [11:26] schestowitz-TR but probably far, far from an urgent need [11:26] schestowitz-TR /n/2022 is drwxrwsr-x without a + [11:26] schestowitz-TR unlike /n and /n/2022/[months] [11:26] schestowitz-TR and for pertinent days only 8/4 is + [11:34] Techrights-sec yes the umask is a chronic problem in group work situations on EXT [11:34] Techrights-sec its enough if she tries a few per day, just to smoke out more bugs with [11:34] Techrights-sec either the software or the work flow [11:34] schestowitz-TR for crawlers' sake [11:34] schestowitz-TR but probably far, far from an urgent need [11:34] schestowitz-TR /n/2022 is drwxrwsr-x without a + [11:34] schestowitz-TR unlike /n and /n/2022/[months] [11:34] schestowitz-TR and for pertinent days only 8/4 is + [11:34] schestowitz-TR later today I'll instruct rianne to post in parallel from account rianne [11:34] schestowitz-TR she did this as tuxmachines before [11:34] schestowitz-TR for now, images are not so important, so usually we can leave out the top part (image) [11:34] schestowitz-TR when pasting in tuxmachines-new [11:34] schestowitz-TR where GD fails, Features can be used as a fallback? I gues..? [11:34] schestowitz-TR going upstairs now to guide her [11:34] schestowitz-TR brb [11:34] schestowitz-TR i think her pi clone is also complete now, full root backup, bootable [11:35] schestowitz-TR (back. her pi400 earns us a living, very valuable as a NOC with our biggest screen at home) [11:35] schestowitz-TR strongswan+openvpn+wireguard [11:35] Techrights-sec :) [11:35] Techrights-sec For what it's worth, it can handle two screens concurrently and save space [11:35] Techrights-sec and electricity by obviating the need for one of the other computers. [11:40] schestowitz-TR she si now logged in, hunting for stories to post [11:40] schestowitz-TR btw, she uses 2 machines [11:41] schestowitz-TR +1 NOC [11:41] Techrights-sec ack [11:41] schestowitz-TR so 3 [11:41] schestowitz-TR she used to do all the NOC stuff from her laptop, which is underpowered [11:41] schestowitz-TR the pi400 simplified things greatly [11:41] schestowitz-TR it would not work with 2 screens in the sense that the other 2 machines are single head and it cannot be "reused" by the pi [11:41] schestowitz-TR and one gets used as a phone [11:46] schestowitz-TR we got our "corrected" gas bills again, second time in a week, [11:46] schestowitz-TR coz we don't allow spy meters [11:46] schestowitz-TR our power bills are still about 100 a month or 3.30 a day [11:46] schestowitz-TR so maybe 1 for hot showers [11:46] schestowitz-TR 1 home alliances (ovens, laundry) [11:46] schestowitz-TR and just over 1 per day for 5 laptops, 2 pis [11:46] schestowitz-TR no, 6 laptops, 2 pis, 5 external screens running 24/7 [11:46] schestowitz-TR +router, but that takes about as much a s router [11:46] schestowitz-TR so energy prices aren't that high, albeit kliklely higher than food bills [11:46] schestowitz-TR I know people who pay a lot more just for "telly" and having temperature control (they don't want or cannot [11:46] schestowitz-TR keep it shut) [11:46] schestowitz-TR so the time is, to us, more valuable than some laptop voltage [11:46] schestowitz-TR when the laptops are idle or not used they dim down [11:46] schestowitz-TR a bit like "smart" lights except the sensors part [11:48] Techrights-sec yes laptops have kind of a buit-in UPS [11:51] schestowitz-TR I was told 2 months ago why the exchanges still work during outages [11:51] schestowitz-TR they have data and power retention built in [11:51] schestowitz-TR so in theoryy during outages I can still surf the Web from the laptops [11:51] schestowitz-TR but only if the router keeps power [11:51] schestowitz-TR so I said, ok... if these outages take a while to solve (they found the culprit the second time around) [11:51] schestowitz-TR I'll buy a UPS to share between the router and the pi, which is brittle [11:51] schestowitz-TR 3~ [11:51] schestowitz-TR I reminded rianne twice that millioniae Torvalds was offline for 6 days due to blixzzard storm in oregon [11:51] schestowitz-TR he never thought of getting a generator [11:51] schestowitz-TR or a satelliute link [11:51] schestowitz-TR to him that would be slush funds [11:51] schestowitz-TR and help the project immensely [11:51] schestowitz-TR James and Sheela Microsoft probably cannot even wrap their heads around the idea of fallbacks like these [11:53] Techrights-sec utes total [11:53] Techrights-sec otr: of maintenance [11:53] Techrights-sec yes they have UPS on site, same for the mobile phone towers [11:53] Techrights-sec yes and the RPi has serial and gpio so it can be used to control the other [11:53] Techrights-sec systems and power them down and then power itself down [11:53] Techrights-sec power used to be reliable in the US. Not any more and now a disturbingly [11:53] Techrights-sec large number of households have backup generators rather than forcing the [11:53] Techrights-sec politicians to fix the grid. [11:57] schestowitz-TR if it worsens (these 2 recent outages are first in 16 years, and both connected... should not be resolved as they replaced the damaged underground cable) [11:57] schestowitz-TR I will purchase a budget (about 50 pounds) UPC for the router and pi so I can carry on working even during blackout [11:57] schestowitz-TR also helps with the job, where being vigilant is the key function [11:57] schestowitz-TR not like programming, where one can say, I'll carry on later [11:57] schestowitz-TR a colleague also had an outage recently [11:57] schestowitz-TR not related to the weather, for sure (it's summer) [11:57] schestowitz-TR speaking of generators, rianne's parents live in a place where one is needed to add water pressure in case [11:57] schestowitz-TR you want a "proper" shower [11:57] schestowitz-TR some things are taken for granted [11:57] schestowitz-TR in the US, it seems, what used to work is takern away [11:57] schestowitz-TR good for generator companies [11:57] schestowitz-TR like the oil industry against electirc cars, I'm sure they're "lobby" (bribe) [11:58] *britney has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Aug 04 [12:10] Techrights-sec yes same with the phones and just about everything there [12:10] schestowitz-TR ok, rianne posted two nodes, the cloning of her pi is complete and she's feeling safer for the fallbacks [12:10] schestowitz-TR landlines sucking (happens here sometimes; voice quality) steers people towards tracking devices [12:10] schestowitz-TR what's more, what's left of public phone booths is poorly maintain, rarely works [12:10] schestowitz-TR and "can I use your landline" would be "can I borrow your mobile?" [12:11] schestowitz-TR devuan [12:11] schestowitz-TR Peppermint OS Now Also Offers a Systemd-free Devuan Variant! Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167992 [12:11] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.tuxmachines.org | Peppermint OS Now Also Offers a Systemd-free Devuan Variant! | Tux Machines [12:12] Techrights-sec ack [12:12] Techrights-sec Excellent news! I am glad to read that more distros are beginnging to track [12:12] Techrights-sec Devuan. It would have been easier for them to have made the switch back [12:12] Techrights-sec in 2014 but now is a good time too. Now is certainly better than later. [12:21] schestowitz-TR if we sort out the acl bit in "2022" dir, I can change my irc stuff to also post gemini links [12:21] schestowitz-TR I think the path leading to 08/04 is OK except at that level [12:21] schestowitz-TR days prioe to 08/04 lack the extra acl permission [12:21] schestowitz-TR oh, I think gemini is still not generated by default with add_and_refresh_from_db [12:29] Techrights-sec ok checking [12:29] Techrights-sec try now [12:29] Techrights-sec EXT sure is annoying [12:29] Techrights-sec checking *.sh [12:30] schestowitz-TR ooh! nice. [12:30] schestowitz-TR the conversion to gemtext is very good [12:30] schestowitz-TR and shows a legend of news items in lagrange [12:30] schestowitz-TR like it does in techrights daily links, similar format... [12:31] Techrights-sec The conversion is less advanced though. It can only handle things one layer [12:31] Techrights-sec deep and no special classes. However, that should not be much of an issue [12:31] Techrights-sec since as far as I know the posts are quite short and simple. [12:31] Techrights-sec The -a option can be added to (re-)generate the whole site, if run manually. [12:35] schestowitz-TR I'm going to write something with sed to give us the gemini url, based on the http-xml feed [12:35] schestowitz-TR are newly-added nodes exported to gemini with new revisions, or should thatbe done manually for now? [12:36] Techrights-sec which context for the URL? It would be easier to add that to a perl script [12:36] Techrights-sec which already gets run, I would guess [12:36] Techrights-sec All three wrapper scripts now update Gemini, but it would be good to double [12:36] Techrights-sec check that old records are updated there too. [12:37] schestowitz-TR I'm going to give that a test [12:41] Techrights-sec found more UTF 8 trouble :/ [12:41] Techrights-sec http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/01/Emmabunt%C3%BCs:_On_August_1st,_2022,_Emma_DE4_2nd_update.shtml [12:41] Techrights-sec at least it's getting into the db ok so those parts are good [12:41] Techrights-sec the extraction script seems to be the weak point [12:41] Techrights-sec looking into it ... [12:41] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-news.tuxmachines.org | Tux Machines Emmabunts: On August 1st, 2022, Emma DE4 2nd update [12:45] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [12:50] schestowitz-TR I'm going to give that a test [12:50] schestowitz-TR atm I try to figure out why some long gemini urls in the navigation pane at the top give "Not Found" [12:50] schestowitz-TR the shorter urls work ok [12:50] schestowitz-TR still trying to understand the pattern [12:50] Techrights-sec yes /n/ is missing from the navigation [12:51] schestowitz-TR yes, I was just about to say the same [12:51] schestowitz-TR it evades me at first ● Aug 04 [13:05] Techrights-sec working ... [13:05] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [13:11] schestowitz Record added [13:11] schestowitz Wide character in print at /usr/local/bin/tm-extract-posts-sql.pl line 388. [13:12] schestowitz Wide character in print at /usr/local/bin/tm-extract-posts-sql.pl line 388. [13:12] schestowitz Wide character in print at /usr/local/bin/tm-extract-posts-sql.pl line 388. [13:12] schestowitz Wide character in print at /usr/local/bin/tm-extract-posts-sql.pl line 388. [13:12] schestowitz Wide character in print at /usr/local/bin/tm-extract-posts-sql.pl line 388. [13:12] schestowitz Wide character in print at /usr/local/bin/tm-extract-posts-sql.pl line 388. [13:12] schestowitz Could not open '/home/gemini/gemini/n/2022/08/04/16_Best_Open-source_Free_Ghost_Blog_Themes_for_2022.gmi' for writing: Permission denied [13:12] schestowitz roy:/home/gemini/gemini/n/2022/08/04% [13:16] Techrights-sec ok some improvements have been made but individual navigation links here [13:16] Techrights-sec and there are broken, looking into that now [13:22] Techrights-sec yes the wide character problem will not be addressed in the near future [13:22] Techrights-sec it'll be a bit before I get the gemtext generator working enough to test [13:22] Techrights-sec further [13:22] schestowitz-TR I see.. [13:23] schestowitz-TR the latter error means that when I add new node it'll empty existing gmi files [13:23] schestowitz-TR due to a permission error, I use my personal account [13:23] Techrights-sec no worries, they can be regenerated, it is the db which is the important [13:23] Techrights-sec component, and the db is ok for now [13:23] Techrights-sec yes checking again, it is a matter of umask and forcing that with an ACL [13:26] Techrights-sec no error, only your and my account are in gemtext, rianne and marius need [13:26] Techrights-sec to be added ... [13:26] Techrights-sec all set [13:26] Techrights-sec they are added now [13:30] Techrights-sec be sure to log in again if the group membership has not applied, but you've been [13:30] Techrights-sec in the group for a long time [13:30] Techrights-sec can amfora handle commas in URLs? Something is causing it to choke on links [13:30] Techrights-sec it seems it cannot handle colons, maybe other punctuations as well [13:32] schestowitz-TR First Release Candidate of Krita 5.1.0 is out Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167996 https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/04/First_Release_Candidate_of_Krita_5.1.0_is_out.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/04/First_Release_Candidate_of_Krita_5.1.0_is_out.gmi [13:32] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.tuxmachines.org | First Release Candidate of Krita 5.1.0 is out | Tux Machines [13:32] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-news.tuxmachines.org | Tux Machines First Release Candidate of Krita 5.1.0 is out [13:32] schestowitz-TR first of its kind ^ [13:32] schestowitz-TR thanks! I'll try to add a new node now as "roy" [13:32] schestowitz-TR I'm not sure ay RFCs exist to specify allowed chars in URLs [13:33] Techrights-sec rats. that is the case. No one follows the specs anyway and ther are lots [13:33] Techrights-sec of misunderstandings. Daniel Stenberg did a very good analysis of the problem [13:33] Techrights-sec years ago. tldr; there is no common agreement anywhere about what goes into [13:33] Techrights-sec a URL, what is not allowed, and how it is structured. :/ [13:34] schestowitz-TR yes, I was about to say the same, but no need to change that retroactively [13:34] schestowitz-TR what's done is done [13:34] schestowitz-TR maybe from now on, urls can omit or skip more symbols, or maybe use hyphens [13:35] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [13:36] Techrights-sec Therefore the only way to allow the HTTP links to map to the Gemini links [13:36] Techrights-sec would be to adjust how the HTTP links are written and remove the characters [13:36] Techrights-sec which choke Gemini [13:36] Techrights-sec no it's easy to fix retroactively; this is an alpha site anyway [13:36] Techrights-sec yes the script can zap the punctuation, a problem is that there is a lot of [13:36] Techrights-sec punctuation to choose from; perhaps there is a character class in perlre which [13:36] Techrights-sec covers it [13:37] Techrights-sec ack [13:37] schestowitz-TR the stanard for url is "works with ie" -> "works with ie +firefox" -> "works with chrom* + clones" [13:38] schestowitz-TR am literally falling asleep (almost) at my chair, back in an hour or two [13:46] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [13:52] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [13:53] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [13:59] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell ● Aug 04 [14:05] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [14:29] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [14:42] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [14:50] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [14:58] *britney (~britney@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Aug 04 [15:06] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Aug 04 [16:06] Techrights-sec ack [16:06] Techrights-sec the POSIX class can be used in perl [16:06] schestowitz-TR back [16:11] Techrights-sec is the editing going ok? I see that the db is locked [16:12] schestowitz-TR there is an issue, I cannot enter data, it hands before it goes to nano [16:12] Techrights-sec yes it is locked by rianne [16:12] Techrights-sec hence the question [16:13] schestowitz-TR she posted while I was alseep, got stuck with the second one [16:13] schestowitz-TR I'll go check [16:13] Techrights-sec thanks [16:16] schestowitz-TR OK, not I understand why she got stuck [16:16] schestowitz-TR tried using the same slug, Android Leftovers, twice [16:16] schestowitz-TR I explained to her how to avoid that [16:19] Techrights-sec did the script give a proper warning about the duplicate? [16:19] schestowitz-TR she did the right thing by stopping when she was not sure and told me right away when I woke upo [16:19] schestowitz-TR I didn't ask for the details [16:19] schestowitz-TR and yes, the warning said another slug was needed [16:19] schestowitz-TR she now knows [16:19] schestowitz-TR I told her use something like "2" or anything unique _for that day_ [16:20] Techrights-sec maybe there should be a unique, autoincrement number ther [16:21] schestowitz-TR wordpress automates it, adds a "2", or "3"... [16:21] schestowitz-TR not sure I remember what drupal does uponm dupes [16:21] schestowitz-TR techrights has so many slugs I cannot even recall what would be unique, but it shows me suggestioins, before I decided... [16:32] Techrights-sec it'd be feasible to add, it would involve only the add and extract scripts [16:32] Techrights-sec :( [16:32] Techrights-sec this too is improvised [16:33] schestowitz-TR you seem to have built a full scale, stripped down, gemini+http content management system [16:33] schestowitz-TR which afaik is a monster that barelyu exists [16:33] schestowitz-TR only improved things [16:33] schestowitz-TR *improvised [16:33] schestowitz-TR everything starts this way [16:33] schestowitz-TR later generalised if it's of wider appeal [16:33] schestowitz-TR IF [16:33] Techrights-sec it's more generic than the tr version [16:38] schestowitz-TR it looks like you already reused some code from there, I think sometimes convergence then becomes attrative [16:38] schestowitz-TR my script start as: [16:38] schestowitz-TR 1) do some shit [16:38] schestowitz-TR 2) write a command to do the same shit [16:38] schestowitz-TR 3) expand the comment to do that shit [16:38] schestowitz-TR 4) toss in a script named helpfully for late [16:38] schestowitz-TR 5) improve the script [16:38] schestowitz-TR 6) add comments, vars [16:38] schestowitz-TR 7) add 'gui' (dialog or graphical... leanred not to do the latter due to past experiene doing very nice GUIS that only I myself ever used) [16:38] Techrights-sec ack [16:38] schestowitz-TR 8) version control [16:38] schestowitz-TR very few projects become mambo (extinct), zope [16:38] schestowitz-TR or even change the world likw wordpress [16:38] schestowitz-TR wordpress was a 'ripoof' of michel's ugly heck [16:38] schestowitz-TR b2 (france [16:38] schestowitz-TR you can still see the php gui of b2 [16:38] schestowitz-TR it was VERY simple [16:38] schestowitz-TR wordpress picked gpl [16:38] schestowitz-TR because of b2 [16:38] schestowitz-TR linux did the same [16:38] schestowitz-TR and torvalds admits this is what got so mnay people involved in his "hobby" [16:38] schestowitz-TR inc. some "raspe apologist" [16:39] schestowitz-TR gpl = if I hate Torvalds' guts, I take this whole shit and coordinate with other people who hate his guts [16:39] schestowitz-TR to do whatever we want with ALL the same code [16:39] schestowitz-TR so Torvalkds must be nice... to people who deserve it [16:39] schestowitz-TR mgj "forked" Linux in github [16:39] schestowitz-TR nobody even joined that git... nobody with talent [16:40] schestowitz-TR mambo and jooma (and other one whose name I forgot) are connected through forking [16:40] schestowitz-TR *joomla [16:43] schestowitz-TR the only project I did that became of wider appeal is TR [16:43] schestowitz-TR TM is not mine... it found appeal because of texstar, susan, and texstar's distro (pclos was #1 in distrowatch) putting TM in the Firefox bookm ark [16:43] schestowitz-TR when I installed PCLOS for my dad TM was already up there in his browser [16:43] schestowitz-TR from my understanding, drupal was set up by texstar (I spoke to him when we took over) and susan was his partner. she sold the site she [16:43] schestowitz-TR made with texstar when she remarried his former husband [16:43] schestowitz-TR that's personal, so I'll stop there [16:44] Techrights-sec ack [16:44] Techrights-sec ack [16:48] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [16:48] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [16:49] schestowitz-TR observation [16:49] schestowitz-TR why did so many people help wordpress for free, myself included? [16:49] schestowitz-TR we were users [16:49] schestowitz-TR and we hacked at the code [16:49] schestowitz-TR and we engaged in the community [16:49] schestowitz-TR it became collective work [16:49] schestowitz-TR same with linux and early gnu/linux users [16:50] schestowitz-TR so for a cms it helps to get more people to deploy [16:50] *britney has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [16:50] schestowitz-TR then they maake improvements [16:50] schestowitz-TR and give them back to youi (agpl) [16:50] schestowitz-TR some of them might be of use to you too [16:50] schestowitz-TR I started at wordpress 1.2 IIRC [16:50] schestowitz-TR not long after it had started [16:50] Techrights-sec ack [16:50] Techrights-sec wp is not so good any more and more of a money mill for the company and [16:50] Techrights-sec for all practical purposes close despite being FOSS [16:50] schestowitz-TR when it became commercialised (Automattic) I increasingly lost interest [16:50] schestowitz-TR there's a lot of WP ftatigue now [16:50] schestowitz-TR not Wordperfect [16:50] schestowitz-TR because people realise 1,000-file CMS is not suitable for sites with 10 pages [16:50] schestowitz-TR and all this automatic update stuff worsens the maintaenance overhead [16:50] schestowitz-TR so they need to get expensive hosting that includes backups, support, uypgrades... [16:50] schestowitz-TR like php upgrades, OS upgrades, lots of dependencies in WP [16:50] schestowitz-TR some months agoi a very small site, bytes media, took 1-2 hours of my time because after php upgrade [16:50] schestowitz-TR some code no longer worked [16:50] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@5tcc2vuaj9aks.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [16:50] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [16:50] schestowitz-TR and I had to fix the code by hand, otherwise blank pages [16:50] schestowitz-TR with sttaic pages it would at least give you something [16:51] schestowitz-TR years ago there was a react controversy in wordpress [16:51] schestowitz-TR due to the licence [16:51] schestowitz-TR and my initial reactionm was [16:51] schestowitz-TR WTF? WTF dopes react do in wordpress (FB, bloat) [16:51] schestowitz-TR maybe their new GUI and stuff [16:51] schestowitz-TR which can increase complexity instead of lowering it [16:51] schestowitz-TR feature churn [16:52] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [16:52] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [16:57] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [16:57] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@5tcc2vuaj9aks.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [16:59] Techrights-sec refreshed Gemtext documents and XHTML documents using the punctuation-free [16:59] Techrights-sec file names [16:59] schestowitz-TR there are LOADS os static site gnerators(generalised) vying to become the "statis wordpress'\ ● Aug 04 [17:00] schestowitz-TR but few are still actively maintained, [17:00] schestowitz-TR ghoist, hgo and jekyll are among the better known ones [17:00] schestowitz-TR the market does not reward many [17:00] schestowitz-TR it gravitates towards "hgegemony" like 6-EYES and systemd and Microsoft Windows... or Android in mobile [17:00] schestowitz-TR because being countercurrent is making life a little harder [17:00] schestowitz-TR "why don't you just use X like everyone else?" [17:00] Techrights-sec unfortunately so [17:00] schestowitz-TR banks say that a lot [17:03] schestowitz-TR wordpress was not alwats "easy" to install [17:03] schestowitz-TR it still is not [17:03] schestowitz-TR I installed it last year and in 2004 [17:03] schestowitz-TR CNET hired Matt Mullenweg to install it for them so the staff can blog [17:03] schestowitz-TR they probably paid some lincence for an expensive prioprioetary cms up to that point... since the 90s [17:03] schestowitz-TR later came "WordPress MU" (multiuser) [17:03] schestowitz-TR and then deals with ISPs and WQebhosts [17:03] schestowitz-TR and Fantastico etc. [17:03] schestowitz-TR all those "one click install" scripts wrapped up in a GUI [17:03] schestowitz-TR so it was a lot to do with bundling [17:03] schestowitz-TR then came wordpress.coim [17:03] schestowitz-TR which it turn became like a webhost [17:03] schestowitz-TR Drupal's company moved in the same direction [17:03] schestowitz-TR afaik, it's still the host of opensource.com [17:03] schestowitz-TR Red Hat can't even manage Drupal on their olwn? [17:03] schestowitz-TR FSF can [17:04] schestowitz-TR mlee complaint about wordpress needing many updates [17:04] schestowitz-TR iirc, fsf used to have joomla or something [17:04] schestowitz-TR I recently showed visually the history of the FSF site [17:06] schestowitz-TR rms told me they'd look into serving gnu and fsf pages over gemini but of coursew not much gets done by the fsf these days [17:06] schestowitz-TR 2-3 years ago they said they'd make a code repo project akin to gitlab, in order to replqce github [17:06] schestowitz-TR don't even remind them now... as nothing gone done, you might even call all their projected daya vapourware [17:06] schestowitz-TR *date (they kept saying stuff like later this year) [17:06] schestowitz-TR /s/mlee/mattL [17:12] Techrights-sec I'm still concerned about the passivity of the FSF and the derailed nature of [17:12] Techrights-sec the EFF [17:15] schestowitz-TR the sad thing is that they don't care about your concern and don't want to be saved, as they do not think [17:15] schestowitz-TR they need saving. they do exactly what some people who took the baton always wanted to do [17:15] schestowitz-TR in the EFF's case, I don't consider doctorow to be a flag bearer but a mascot who is salaried for "mascotting" [17:15] schestowitz-TR isn eckersely or whatever his name was still there? [17:15] schestowitz-TR *ley [17:15] schestowitz-TR rather than the modern diversity candidate with no technical background, just some history in politics [17:15] schestowitz-TR and by politics I mean part of some hornets' net in sopcial control media [17:17] Techrights-sec There's now a field reserved for making the URLs unique in the keys table. [17:17] Techrights-sec Any preference on what it shall be called? Only the add and extract will [17:17] Techrights-sec need to use it, the former read-write and the latter read-only. [17:19] schestowitz-TR if slug is already a named field, maybe UURL? [17:19] schestowitz-TR UURI [17:19] schestowitz-TR uid [17:19] Techrights-sec Yes doctorow is kind of a mascot or a distraction to keep the old school [17:19] Techrights-sec members off their backs [17:19] Techrights-sec ballast? [17:19] Techrights-sec I hope that they would listen more to Cory Doctorow more than they do. He [17:19] Techrights-sec has figured out the situation and has a good idea of a feasible way forward. [17:22] schestowitz-TR they will not promote him [17:22] schestowitz-TR it would threaten people who rely on eff having c and d... and z types [17:22] schestowitz-TR they already ousted gilmore after so many years there [17:22] schestowitz-TR doctorow "got the message" loud and clear [17:22] schestowitz-TR haha, and don't expet him to write anything about billg there [17:22] schestowitz-TR eff has been too busy picking on RMS [17:22] schestowitz-TR mentioning bill's evil patents can put off big funders like mark cuban, who also [17:22] schestowitz-TR invested in patent trolls [17:22] schestowitz-TR but later funded a campaign against "bad patents" [17:22] Techrights-sec unfortunately so [17:26] schestowitz-TR I recently read an article about class solidarity at the TOP [17:26] schestowitz-TR they map their "enemies".... the ones who must be kept quiet, like the two melbourne students [17:26] schestowitz-TR Assange and Pocock [17:26] schestowitz-TR unlike Francis Gurry (also same university/) from WIPO... the agency which deploatformed Pocock [17:26] schestowitz-TR doctorwow speaks a lot about class issue, like russell brand, so he's just there to be a jester [17:26] schestowitz-TR and won't be put in a suit [17:26] schestowitz-TR the suit is reserved for James and Sheela Microsoft [17:26] schestowitz-TR Torvbalds can get old, cold, and die in a bathrobe [17:26] schestowitz-TR "I actually made Linux... when that word meant something" [17:26] schestowitz-TR Larry Sagner: I co-founded Wikipedia [17:26] schestowitz-TR two men: tesla is our company, but we were paid not to tell you this. hush hush. [17:26] schestowitz-TR fraudurocracy [17:28] schestowitz-TR wozniak did not get canceled or forcibly sent to therapist, but he's a niche and only erevered among geeks [17:28] schestowitz-TR to the average apple "consumer" it's all Jobs and Crook [17:28] schestowitz-TR marketing people and financiers [17:30] schestowitz-TR wozniak did not get canceled or forcibly sent to therapist, but he's a niche and only erevered among geeks [17:30] schestowitz-TR to the average apple "consumer" it's all Jobs and Crook [17:30] schestowitz-TR marketing people and financiers [17:30] schestowitz-TR kooyman is dutch and has too much decency in the culture to "do a zemlin" on rms imho [17:30] schestowitz-TR it's no bully de bblanc or deb icaza, but fsf has stagnated regardless (inaction) [17:34] Techrights-sec sadly, wozniak scrambled his own brains in an unnecessary plane crash which [17:34] Techrights-sec came very close to outright killing him off. That's why he's been off to the [17:34] Techrights-sec side. [17:34] Techrights-sec It could have been much worse, but it could also have been much better. [17:34] Techrights-sec Without the severe, permanent brain damage he could have continued in some [17:34] Techrights-sec kind of engineering role until cancellation [17:34] Techrights-sec or retirement [17:37] schestowitz-TR I'm looking for links to add, it's a slow news day tbh [17:37] schestowitz-TR which suits me (as does the week off work) because of the incidents [17:37] schestowitz-TR slept like a baby knowing tuxmachines if finally in gemini:// too [17:37] schestowitz-TR and for now it's only advertised in irc [17:37] schestowitz-TR not in the html pages or the official (old) site [17:37] schestowitz-TR although the capsule does not replace anything, so in theory it could be advertised [17:37] schestowitz-TR before the "replacement" CMS [17:37] schestowitz-TR I tested itr earlier with lagrange, I no longer keep like 5 gemini clients open like I used to [17:37] schestowitz-TR a year ago when I tried to promote adoption of gemini [17:40] schestowitz-TR what I did not envision before is that tuxmachines migration would make migration of techrights a lot easier [17:40] schestowitz-TR as it's the same OS and there's room for reuse. we moaned a lot about www and systemd and better later than never [17:40] schestowitz-TR to do something outselves, too, about those issues. And best in august when it's quiet. rianne is focusing now on [17:40] schestowitz-TR exams for citizenship so we can proceed in sept. can take 6-9 months. [17:42] Techrights-sec yes [17:42] Techrights-sec 6 to 9 months is a long time, is it a large course load? [17:45] schestowitz-TR 6 months is how long they process application, the course is like 150 multiple choice ("Murican style") questions [17:45] schestowitz-TR and should be easy enugh for "halima" and "singh" and "chong" to pass too [17:45] schestowitz-TR so rianne can do ok, same for english test [17:45] schestowitz-TR the paper reqs are very easy too [17:45] schestowitz-TR the key thing is, be in the country a lot the past 5 years, have no criminal record [17:45] schestowitz-TR turns out employment record is barely a factor, just 2 letters oif recomm [17:45] schestowitz-TR I too would apply, but after brexit I hold on to my existing passport [17:57] schestowitz-TR "oligarch" like peter thiel can just buy themselves passports anywhere without all those "Acid tests" that weed out opportunists, imposters, [17:57] schestowitz-TR pretenders and even terrorists [17:57] schestowitz-TR because his class is the one deciding the laws and assessing merit [17:57] schestowitz-TR if you check irc logs in gemini, you'll see tuxmachines links now come with gemini urls, too ● Aug 04 [18:03] Techrights-sec ack [18:03] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 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[18:08] schestowitz-TR Techrights updates done by polling or sending a signal over ssh when new articles are published [18:08] schestowitz-TR with tuxmachines it is instant and the hosting resides on the same machine [18:08] schestowitz-TR with nginx and gemini-proxy the address gemini.tuxmachines.org can also serve over http/s [18:08] schestowitz-TR but then it needs to decipher the subdomain parts so as to not conflate with "news" or "beta" etc. [18:08] schestowitz-TR so one option is to use apache and change the config [18:08] schestowitz-TR but tbh, not practical use to that [18:08] schestowitz-TR a proxy for a gemini version of a site that already serves https, and does so better [18:08] schestowitz-TR atm if you enter gemin.tuxmachines.org in a browser it gives the proper site [18:08] schestowitz-TR so no point running gemini-proxy there, ignore my out-loud thought [18:08] schestowitz-TR I answered my own question, sort of [18:09] Techrights-sec yes [18:16] Techrights-sec ack [18:16] schestowitz-TR 'doing a pelosi' = trying to undermine other superpowers to distract from the failure of your own [18:16] schestowitz-TR see also: zero-summers, Microsoft infiltrators [18:16] schestowitz-TR rianne is furious as she worked in taiwan [18:16] schestowitz-TR and I told her, taiwan can be the "eastern front" ukraine [18:16] schestowitz-TR it'll take 10 million chinese missiles while we wave wtaiwan flags and boast about the hereism of the people [18:16] schestowitz-TR of taiwan [18:16] schestowitz-TR just so that they can destroy like 1000 chinese tanks, based on soviet designs [18:16] schestowitz-TR plus, US weapon sales, so you profit while you watch the cannon foder languishing (*fodder) [18:16] schestowitz-TR waving taiwanese symbols and flags in an homage for their bravery [18:16] schestowitz-TR slavix moujahadeen, "chinito" moujahadeen, who next? [18:18] schestowitz-TR during and/or after wars (if you withstand them) you can justify going into higher gdp/debt ratio [18:18] schestowitz-TR japan is still about 1:3 [18:23] Techrights-sec ack [18:24] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@5tcc2vuaj9aks.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [18:24] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [18:24] schestowitz-TR (that's not to say us i to blame for japan's imperial ambitions of that US/EU started the Ukraine war) [18:24] Techrights-sec ack [18:24] Techrights-sec japan was not connected to the US politically prior to WWII [18:26] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Connection closed) [18:26] *u-amarsh04 has quit (connection closed) [18:27] schestowitz-TR japan's imperial navala and air force is connected to the british, which taught and equipped them [18:27] schestowitz-TR empires sees alike [18:27] schestowitz-TR but japan chose the "wrong" allies and went too far against china, like hitler in russia [18:34] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@5tcc2vuaj9aks.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [18:34] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [18:35] schestowitz-TR news.tuxmachines.org is already in google's search index [18:35] schestowitz-TR I'm starting to add more nodes now, it gives me 3 urls [18:36] schestowitz-TR old, new, and gemini [18:36] schestowitz-TR I think I found a bug, the latest page added has ":" and "," in the URL [18:36] schestowitz-TR lagrange cannot access it [18:52] Techrights-sec checking [18:52] Techrights-sec np [18:52] Techrights-sec :) [18:52] schestowitz-TR thanks, and sorry if I typed too much this past hour or two [18:52] schestowitz-TR I'm getting back to my routine for the first time since the outage [18:52] schestowitz-TR I get system bell-ed now when you commit [18:52] schestowitz-TR and afaik, the multiple listener issue is not resolved [18:54] Techrights-sec checking the mqtt logs ... [18:56] schestowitz-TR does it fit your screen ok? [18:56] Techrights-sec which session> [18:56] Techrights-sec ? [18:56] Techrights-sec the multiple listener issue seems fixe [18:58] schestowitz-TR can you see the new tmux pane [18:58] schestowitz-TR sorry, im meant windows, not pane [18:58] Techrights-sec the multiple listener issue seems fixe [18:58] Techrights-sec d [18:58] Techrights-sec which session name? ● Aug 04 [19:00] schestowitz-TR ytalk [19:00] schestowitz-TR there are now vertically-split panes at my end [19:00] schestowitz-TR not sure if you see those too [19:01] Techrights-sec there's no shared tmux session called ytalk on tm-new [19:01] Techrights-sec those are different sessions not connected except through ytalk [19:01] Techrights-sec so what you see will be separatefrom what I see [19:01] schestowitz-TR no,the one we use right now, on your pi [19:06] schestowitz-TR I see, I'll keep it like this at my end to spare an extra open terminal [19:06] schestowitz-TR (I use your pi to connect to my pi, which routes to my laptop that does periodic alerts re git [19:06] schestowitz-TR if you sudo su roy [19:06] schestowitz-TR and then tmux a -t ytalk in another terminal you will see what I mean [19:21] Techrights-sec those are different sessions not connected except through ytalk [19:21] Techrights-sec so what you see will be separatefrom what I see, they're in different acccounts [19:21] Techrights-sec I can guess but don't want to disturb the session there [19:24] schestowitz-TR resized the windows a bit, ctrl+b+up/down [19:24] schestowitz-TR so beneath your size I can see the latest links, and git commits for each repo, plus some details [19:24] schestowitz-TR mqtt does real-time alerts [19:24] schestowitz-TR todo: use that as a trigger [19:24] schestowitz-TR send message to knotify so I don't have to check the terminal [19:30] schestowitz-TR added window in tandem for git show [19:30] schestowitz-TR when something new comes in [19:30] schestowitz-TR as code can communicate better than words and save you the hassle explaining [19:30] *britney (~britney@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [19:31] Techrights-sec nice, I'll take a look [19:32] schestowitz-TR the git show thing is a separate terminal though, running on the LAN [19:32] schestowitz-TR the screen in front of my face, where ytalk is at the centre [19:32] schestowitz-TR (I've not done videos in days, but have no good topics to cover either) [19:38] schestowitz-TR cd ~/Git-TM/tuxmachines.org/tuxmachines.org/ && git show && cd ~/Git && git show [19:41] Techrights-sec ack [19:46] schestowitz-TR hit needed: how to add hook to sub_forgotitsname for executing a command [19:46] schestowitz-TR second thought: I already get real-time system bell, can run it manually when that happens and am not in the middle of something [19:55] britney cocaine is a hell of a drug [19:57] schestowitz-TR you tried it? [19:57] schestowitz-TR Techrights-sec: [19:57] schestowitz-TR re [19:57] schestowitz-TR - $post = &xhtml_to_gemtext($post); [19:57] schestowitz-TR are you reusing code? [19:57] schestowitz-TR I think some perl libs were done that help with conversions [19:57] schestowitz-TR I saw that in "awesomeGemini" [19:57] schestowitz-TR newswaffle reuses a lot of things to make its very decent conversions [19:59] schestowitz-TR + $body = &xhtml_to_gemtext($body); [19:59] schestowitz-TR now it's easy for me to see what happens in real time ^_^ ● Aug 04 [20:03] schestowitz-TR literally just finished the dails links, will do my quiterss feeds now, there will be updates in TM [20:04] Techrights-sec yes, reusing code [20:04] Techrights-sec if functions turn up in more than one script I can split them out into a module [20:04] Techrights-sec but I think there is only one function like that so far and so that's still [20:04] Techrights-sec on the list of things to do [20:04] Techrights-sec there are still some UTF8 matters to clear up among other things [20:05] schestowitz-TR if it's any solace, utf-x issues were also a pain in old TM [20:05] schestowitz-TR drupal cannot, in particular, cope with emoji and other "high bit" input [20:05] schestowitz-TR which means I need to double-check everything I post there [20:05] britney you tried it? [20:05] britney no lol [20:06] schestowitz-TR I had a canadian girldfriend ages ago [20:06] schestowitz-TR and she did schrooms sometimes [20:06] schestowitz-TR in parties [20:06] schestowitz-TR as a teen [20:06] schestowitz-TR *shrooms [20:06] schestowitz-TR I germanised that [20:06] britney shrooms are kinda intense [20:07] britney if i had a choice between mushrooms and LSD, I'd take the LSD [20:07] schestowitz-TR I never even tried pot [20:07] schestowitz-TR our neighbours smoke it in t he back yard [20:07] schestowitz-TR stinks [20:08] britney https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ16H0hsQiQ [20:08] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Invidious: https://invidious.namazso.eu/watch?v=RZ16H0hsQiQ [20:08] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> invidious.namazso.eu | Rick James - Cocaine Is A Hell Of A Drug - Invidious [20:08] Techrights-sec well it's only half a problem since the characters are getting into the db [20:08] Techrights-sec and being stored there correctly [20:11] schestowitz-TR I need to massivel improve my TM workflow and rianne's two [20:11] schestowitz-TR for posting in two sites in tandem [20:11] schestowitz-TR haven't found the right screen setup and copy-paste order yet [20:11] schestowitz-TR going upstairs to discuss with rianne [20:11] schestowitz-TR she's listing in ebay lots of stuff she got in yorkshire [20:11] Techrights-sec . [20:11] Techrights-sec ack [20:11] britney https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FmYmdGRONI [20:11] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Invidious: https://invidious.flokinet.to/watch?v=2FmYmdGRONI [20:11] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> invidious.flokinet.to | what did the 5 fingers said to the face? I`m rick James Biatch - Invidious [20:11] britney im rick james bitch [20:22] *rianne__ (~rianne@x6gnqyt8r46u8.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [20:23] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [20:23] *asusbox2 (~rianne@x6gnqyt8r46u8.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [20:23] *asusbox has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [20:31] schestowitz-TR it does a 4-way hop now, due to router bug [20:31] schestowitz-TR laptop->my laptop->rianne's lapto->tuxmachines-new [20:31] schestowitz-TR or I could just place her ssh keys on that laptop [20:31] schestowitz-TR to avoid two levels of indirection I've just passed her keys to thatother laptops [20:31] schestowitz-TR so both can access the site/s , back end with tux.sh on ~ [20:31] Techrights-sec ack [20:31] Techrights-sec ssh -J -J -J dest [20:31] Techrights-sec or make new keys [20:54] *britney has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [20:56] *britney (~britney@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Aug 04 [21:12] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@tji4y43gjkn2i.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Aug 04 [22:06] *britney has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [22:27] *britney (~britney@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [22:27] *techrights_guest|24 (~92463212@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [22:31] *psydroid2 has quit (connection closed) [22:38] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [22:39] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Aug 04 [23:02] *techrights_guest|24 has quit (Quit: Connection closed) [23:21] *britney has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s)