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schestowitz> you know more about matlock than i do, ive read ONE log with him in it.Jan 05 04:33
schestowitz> Jan 05 04:33
schestowitz> with that said, i will vouch (in the interest of facts and context) that in the states, the most popular interpretion of "matlock" is by far the lawyer character played by an older andy griffith, years after retiring his mayberry police character. very popular show with older people, but i found it entertaining even in my youth. his attitude is sort of like judge judy as an somewhat overweight grey-haired man. he was sassy, energetic Jan 05 04:33
schestowitzand amusing.Jan 05 04:33
schestowitz> Jan 05 04:33
schestowitz> https://invidio.us/playlist?list=PL8zoBkf0dG1szfCqfUBzjlj2-fAYP5ymC what you know about him could be far more relevant. there is roughly no other interpretation of "matlock" in the states that im aware of, but there could be some that im not familiar with. Jan 05 04:33
schestowitzYes, this was mentioned later on...Jan 05 04:33
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-invidio.us | Matlock - InvidiousJan 05 04:34
schestowitz> would you ask mincer if figosdev could have his email address?Jan 05 04:37
schestowitz> Jan 05 04:37
schestowitz> this assumes mincers email address is available to him in the first place.Jan 05 04:37
schestowitz> Jan 05 04:37
schestowitz> id like to talk to him about gnome in particular, also systemd. i suspect we have a few things in common (not really new, ive suspected that for a while.)Jan 05 04:37
schestowitzIf IRC had the concept of second in command, he'd likely be it. He covers and manages the channels when I'm on holiday. He's also the  most senior based on time spent in the channels.Jan 05 04:37
schestowitzI have his email address, but will ask -- openly -- before giving it to you.Jan 05 04:37
schestowitzMinceR: ^^ is it OK?Jan 05 04:37
MinceRyesJan 05 04:37
schestowitz>> When you say "a new, empty server" do you mean a new VM? I think HV-VMJan 05 04:40
schestowitz>> thing is why we have system freezes/crashes. I think we need toJan 05 04:40
schestowitz>> fundamentally think what we look to achieve. Also, practical benefits ofJan 05 04:40
schestowitz>> the above. And the risks.Jan 05 04:40
schestowitz>>Jan 05 04:40
schestowitz> Well as mentioned before, my own preferred way to do things is to putJan 05 04:40
schestowitz> everything on one machine and use Apache2 vhosts.  That can be done onJan 05 04:40
schestowitz> Alpine as much as it can be on Devuan, if set up.Jan 05 04:40
schestowitzIn that case, why not use the very stable alpine we already have in place to serve directly? It has been running since 2018. kaniini says we might want to containerise it, but not knowing enough about them, I hardly understand the envisioned benefits.Jan 05 04:41
schestowitzI don't want to ask for another physical server. Provisioning is a long process.Jan 05 04:41
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/16907086#d70ce9f011510138bb252a0000053625Jan 05 04:41
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@linux@joindiaspora.com: Classic #Microsoft : When They Lose They Just Try to Hijack the Winner http://techrights.org/2020/01/04/hijacking-the-winner/ #wsl #gnu #linux #entryismJan 05 04:42
schestowitz"Jan 05 04:42
schestowitzSadly, yes.Jan 05 04:42
schestowitzJan 05 04:42
schestowitzBenoît Rouits - about 9 hours ago Jan 05 04:42
schestowitzMicrosoft’s «embrace and extend» stanza, in order to break compatibility.Jan 05 04:42
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> techrights.org | Classic Microsoft: When They Lose They Just Try to Hijack the Winner | TechrightsJan 05 04:42
schestowitz"Jan 05 04:42
schestowitzWe could just use VMs with virtualbox. No need for WSL BS.Jan 05 04:42
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/16908241#98185000117701384ad871e4cf55799fJan 05 04:42
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@linux@joindiaspora.com: Now using Zstandard instead of xz for package compression http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/132486Jan 05 04:42
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.tuxmachines.org | Now using Zstandard instead of xz for package compression | Tux MachinesJan 05 04:42
schestowitz"Arch?"Jan 05 04:42
schestowitzyes, see logoJan 05 04:42
schestowitzora.com/posts/16907894#1a0670b0118301386a95005056264835Jan 05 04:43
schestowitz"Jan 05 04:43
schestowitzI think the old Embrace, extend, extinguish is still very much a part of Microsoft’s strategy.Jan 05 04:43
schestowitz olle_jonny@diasp.orgJan 05 04:43
schestowitzolle_jonny@diasp.org - about 4 hours ago Jan 05 04:43
schestowitzI agree with Bruce. They have just gotten smarter and shiftier in the way they do it.Jan 05 04:43
schestowitz"Jan 05 04:43
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/16439083#1ed57410e35d0137e21208002785b8a8Jan 05 04:44
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Within #Netherlands the #EPO denies investigators... needing to start investigating a suicide (EPO worker jumping out the window). EPO also breaks laws with its fire hazards and worse. http://techrights.org/2019/02/23/nouvel-an-architectural-hazard/Jan 05 04:44
schestowitz"Jan 05 04:44
schestowitzJan 05 04:44
schestowitzOddly enough i know the case from rather close and my friends do not have this experience. EPO is pretty big and apparently ridiculously hierarchical. So it depends on your boss I do agree they are way too expensive and get tax free generous salaries for the value they actually deliverJan 05 04:44
schestowitz"Jan 05 04:44
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> techrights.org | EPO Insider Video: Nouvel an Architectural Hazard, Not Just a Fire Hazard | TechrightsJan 05 04:44
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/15783716#cef3fe90a71301378728005056264835Jan 05 04:44
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: These are considerable threats to the health of #epo workers https://twitter.com/sjvn/status/1164266978653065216 see http://techrights.org/2017/04/01/upper-limb-disorder-at-epo/Jan 05 04:44
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@sjvn: Some days, I really, really like this plan. https://t.co/ynCHOErRkOJan 05 04:44
schestowitz"Jan 05 04:44
schestowitzJan 05 04:44
schestowitzLove this!!Jan 05 04:44
schestowitz"Jan 05 04:45
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> techrights.org | The Sickness of the EPO – Part VII: 40% of EPO Workers Have Upper Limb Disorder (ULD), Battistelli Covers That Up | TechrightsJan 05 04:45
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/15458950#08bcd2108ad10137e57e0cc47a07853cJan 05 04:45
schestowitz"Jan 05 04:45
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: No, the #epo is not "diverse" at all. The opposite is true! https://twitter.com/EPOorg/status/1151427713036689408 see 1) http://techrights.org/2018/06/18/very-french-epo/ 2) http://techrights.org/2017/11/09/administrative-council-of-the-epo-is-concerned-that-the-office-is-largely-german-and-male-recruitment-bar-has-fallen/Jan 05 04:45
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@EPOorg: Get the full picture of our diverse and multi-cultural community working at the forefront of technology:… https://t.co/SI1jD8FzIcJan 05 04:45
schestowitzJan 05 04:45
schestowitz"multicultural" obviously any culture of intellectual freedom or legitimate patent reform is excluded.Jan 05 04:45
schestowitz"Jan 05 04:45
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> techrights.org | Diversity at the EPO | TechrightsJan 05 04:45
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> techrights.org | Administrative Council of the EPO is Concerned That the Office is Largely German and Male, Recruitment Bar Has Fallen | TechrightsJan 05 04:45
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/16006922#1de04660bb5b0137596f0bb6468d084fJan 05 04:46
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Can't believe I've been sitting on a major #epo story for almost 10 hours, but struggling to get it done and finished because of RMS-related distraction (mostly people' trolling' me for 'daring' to oppose this ousting)Jan 05 04:46
schestowitz"Jan 05 04:46
schestowitzas tom points out, this is a very valuable litmus test indeed.Jan 05 04:46
schestowitzat a greater cost, but nonetheless. :/Jan 05 04:46
schestowitz TrocatintasJan 05 04:46
schestowitzTrocatintas - 4 months ago Jan 05 04:46
schestowitzNot compromising your own integrity comes often at a cost but it’s very rewarding in the way it strengthens your self-image.Jan 05 04:46
schestowitz"Jan 05 04:46
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/16907624#b07dc30011a3013852d30cc47a07853cJan 05 04:47
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@linux@joindiaspora.com: #Microsoft Saying That It “Loves #Linux ” Is a Lot Like #Islamophobes Who Say They Attack #Islam to “Protect Muslim Women” http://techrights.org/2020/01/04/microsoft-as-islamophobe/ Jan 05 04:47
schestowitz"I attack #Islam because I read about the religion and know how awful it is. Every rational person on Earth SHOULD be very scared of what the "religion" is pushing"Jan 05 04:47
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> techrights.org | Microsoft Saying That It “Loves Linux” Is a Lot Like Islamophobes Who Say They Attack Islam to “Protect Muslim Women” | TechrightsJan 05 04:47
schestowitz>>> Can these two rules be changed or removed from irclog.css?Jan 05 06:15
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schestowitz>>>Jan 05 06:15
schestowitz>>> I'm finding the red marks and the space they consume adding no value andJan 05 06:15
schestowitz>>> actually distracting from the second column by drawing the eye to theJan 05 06:15
schestowitz>>> third column.  While they may look like they are marking importantJan 05 06:15
schestowitz>>> notices, in actuality they only denote the date-time stamp.Jan 05 06:15
schestowitz>> I spent quite some time putting them in place and adjusting, so wouldJan 05 06:15
schestowitz>> rather keep them. Should we just make these smaller?Jan 05 06:15
schestowitz> I don't subscribe to the sunk cost fallacy but if one must then smallerJan 05 06:15
schestowitz> and not red would help.  Maybe hide them with a ::hover pseudo elementJan 05 06:15
schestowitz> as well.  But they've bothered me with no respite every day since theyJan 05 06:15
schestowitz> first appeared, so I would prefer them at least hidden.  May I ask whatJan 05 06:15
schestowitz> is their intended purpose?Jan 05 06:15
schestowitzThe images may be spurious, but it's a matter of taste.Jan 05 06:15
schestowitzMy initial goal was to 'flatten' this column so that it fits one line, compacting the whole log. Each used to be 3 lines long.Jan 05 06:15
schestowitzThe functional purpose is to allow deep linking to lines. I sometimes use that.Jan 05 06:15
schestowitz> Possibly completely stopping MariaDB then starting it again would help.Jan 05 06:17
schestowitz>  If I understand correctly Apache2 does not use many resources.  WeJan 05 06:17
schestowitz> could try both.  Var is at 91% right now so let's try MariaDB first.Jan 05 06:17
schestowitzI always prefer to stop apache before stopping the DB. Technical reasons for this.Jan 05 06:17
schestowitzI've already made more space available on  /var so it's not so urgent. A VM crash might 'fix' it sooner or later...Jan 05 06:17
schestowitz> Most adults seem to have memories of less than 18 months so all theJan 05 06:20
schestowitz> Brexit stuff will drag on until the lies are normalized.Jan 05 06:20
schestowitzI was thinking and observing the same. The "well, we've come this far" mentality.Jan 05 06:20
schestowitzSome people have come to accept Trumpism, with something about "well, the economy..."Jan 05 06:20
schestowitzhttps://pleroma.site/notice/9qgSITUfSW8gF72ftAJan 05 08:03
schestowitz"Please do, that would be so helpful. Thank you. <3"Jan 05 08:03
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-pleroma.site | PleromaJan 05 08:03
schestowitzhttps://framapiaf.org/@fredbezies/103427183702279531Jan 05 08:06
schestowitz" the FSF have to shut up. They were unable to produce a working kernel back in 1991."Jan 05 08:06
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-framapiaf.org | Frederic Bezies : "@tuxmachines@mastodon.technology the FSF have to …" - FramapiafJan 05 08:06
schestowitzThere is far more  to a system than a kernelJan 05 08:06
social_loghttps://twitter.com/Mikael_Arling/status/1208428457601961985Jan 05 08:11
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Mikael_Arling: @tuxmachines @FreeDOS_Project Impressive.Jan 05 08:11
social_loghttps://twitter.com/TallElfin/status/1207769403644874753Jan 05 08:11
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@TallElfin: Terminal Animation - #Cute telnet https://t.co/Nq5Xzvj0uD 2333 <via @tuxmachines >Jan 05 08:11
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> docs.sfconservancy.org | Index of /Jan 05 08:11
social_loghttps://twitter.com/TvPrivacy/status/1207002964415660032Jan 05 08:12
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@TvPrivacy: @tuxmachines FSF/Linux has clearly been targeted (maybe infiltrated?) from the top down by corporations. Going afte… https://t.co/0VjPbBy2wAJan 05 08:12
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@TvPrivacy: @tuxmachines FSF/Linux has clearly been targeted (maybe infiltrated?) from the top down by corporations. Going afte… https://t.co/0VjPbBy2wAJan 05 08:12
social_log"Jan 05 08:12
social_logFSF/Linux has clearly been targeted (maybe infiltrated?) from the top down by corporations. Going after leadership. Stallman. Linus.  Clear what has been happening. And without ample pushback, we w/see something we no longer recognize. Good article. #Linux #SupportFSF"Jan 05 08:12
social_loghttps://twitter.com/ValenDigitalUK/status/1213754605470978048Jan 05 10:56
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@ValenDigitalUK: Billionaires and Corporations Are Revolting Against the Freedom of Free Software #OpenSource #technology https://t.co/ZrVcoxGUysJan 05 10:56
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> techrights.org | Billionaires and Corporations Are Revolting Against the Freedom of Free Software | TechrightsJan 05 10:56
social_loghttps://twitter.com/j082298/status/1213799455071375367Jan 05 12:38
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@j082298: Yep #billgates is a big hypocrite. https://t.co/Y0vxR1vaoEJan 05 12:38
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: 'Saint' #billgates Speaks of #overpopulation issues, increases population by 50% (!) in a single generation (he's… https://t.co/KAaDXT0bn2Jan 05 12:38
social_loghttps://twitter.com/nanotek911/status/1213772006757457921Jan 05 12:39
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@nanotek911: @schestowitz I guess everyone once attended an #Epstein party recognized their best interest to be a #BFF afterwardsJan 05 12:39
social_loghttps://twitter.com/nanotek911/status/1213793709898252288Jan 05 12:39
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@nanotek911: @schestowitz Not that the other side did any of a justice previously.Jan 05 12:39
social_loghttps://twitter.com/nanotek911/status/1213771780004990978Jan 05 12:42
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@nanotek911: @schestowitz @JeffBezos It is important to recognize that the whole "disruptive shit", including Amazon, but also e… https://t.co/vFQXZnoALVJan 05 12:42
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@nanotek911: @schestowitz @JeffBezos It is important to recognize that the whole "disruptive shit", including Amazon, but also e… https://t.co/vFQXZnoALVJan 05 12:42
social_log"Jan 05 12:42
social_logIt is important to recognize that the whole "disruptive shit", including Amazon, but also eBay, Aliexpress, but Uber, Airbnb et aliae, contributes significantly to the core problem. That is, their activity, or existence, not their attitude."Jan 05 12:42
social_loghttps://twitter.com/Like47/status/1213756248191045632Jan 05 12:42
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Like47: @schestowitz Whatever you do, do not ask Capita for help. Useless, dangerous and irresponsible.Jan 05 12:42
social_loghttps://twitter.com/nanotek911/status/1213606196252434432Jan 05 12:43
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@nanotek911: @schestowitz ..free fat48 my assJan 05 12:43
social_loghttps://twitter.com/j082298/status/1213571322724438016Jan 05 12:43
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@j082298: @schestowitz I never understood how @Microsoft can load up just about every computer with their crap-free for 3 mon… https://t.co/s5yXTcDrUMJan 05 12:43
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@j082298: @schestowitz I never understood how @Microsoft can load up just about every computer with their crap-free for 3 mon… https://t.co/s5yXTcDrUMJan 05 12:43
social_log"Jan 05 12:43
social_logI never understood how @Microsoft can load up just about every computer with their crap-free for 3 months. Then you are practically forced to buy their crap. He is supposedly a philanthropist? Sure by taking advantage of the working class. "Jan 05 12:43
social_loghttps://twitter.com/jrobertson/status/1213561388964007936Jan 05 12:44
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@jrobertson: The say change is good. Then you realise you've been tricked. https://t.co/DB2eiy7JwQJan 05 12:44
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: In #GNU / #Linux Newer Isn't Always Better https://t.co/zVZj2P21J2 #systemdJan 05 12:44
social_loghttps://twitter.com/maxi_partl/status/1213542241484062720Jan 05 12:44
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@maxi_partl: @schestowitz @ManUtd Good job? GOOD JOB? GOOD FUCKING JOB? Are you serious? We were once a fuckin dynasty and now i… https://t.co/1kcBbrNhEjJan 05 12:44
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@maxi_partl: @schestowitz @ManUtd Good job? GOOD JOB? GOOD FUCKING JOB? Are you serious? We were once a fuckin dynasty and now i… https://t.co/1kcBbrNhEjJan 05 12:44
social_log"Jan 05 12:44
social_logGood job? GOOD JOB? GOOD FUCKING JOB? Are you serious? We were once a fuckin dynasty and now it is a good job to play 0-0 at Wolves without a single shot on goal?"Jan 05 12:44
social_loghttps://twitter.com/FightSexCrimes/status/1213434697503723521Jan 05 12:44
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@FightSexCrimes: @schestowitz 💪 🤹‍♀️Jan 05 12:44
social_loghttps://twitter.com/ARetVet/status/1213387088197906432Jan 05 12:47
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@ARetVet: @schestowitz Doorbells work just fine without cameras — thanksJan 05 12:47
social_loghttps://twitter.com/adelelsharwe/status/1213290671244750849Jan 05 12:47
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@adelelsharwe: @schestowitz @wikileaks https://t.co/piIVUfAqFMJan 05 12:47
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> drive.google.com | main.mp4 - Google DriveJan 05 12:47
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/2Fflandro/status/1213807961149186049Jan 05 13:37
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@2Fflandro: @schestowitz Gesundheit !!!Jan 05 13:37
social_loghttps://twitter.com/gregorylent/status/1213836932196663296Jan 05 15:38
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@gregorylent: @schestowitz world's biggest terrorists, usaJan 05 15:38
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/jrobertson/status/1213856173876580352Jan 05 16:19
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@jrobertson: @schestowitz If Microsoft offered you a suitcase of money which meant you would never be poor again. Would you take it?Jan 05 16:19
schestowitzvastly more rewarding to blow the whistle on such bribery Jan 05 16:19
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/JM_Coppede/status/1213891014332682241Jan 05 19:01
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@JM_Coppede: I See Dead Windows https://t.co/M3dZ1LMpWx @schestowitz #androidJan 05 19:01
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> techrights.org | I See Dead Windows | TechrightsJan 05 19:01
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