●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Thursday, May 05, 2022 ●● ● May 05 [00:13] *teucer_ (~teucer@w6ripvix4yigi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● May 05 [01:20] Techrights-sec There are over a hundred distros based directly on Debian: [01:20] Techrights-sec https://distrowatch.com/search.php?basedon=Debian [01:21] Techrights-sec Then if you count the distros based on those, there are hundreds more. [01:21] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD. [01:26] schestowitz-TR I put that in TM because it's important to give visibility to critics too [01:26] schestowitz-TR we're not a cult like ICBM or Microsoft [01:28] Techrights-sec Debian's central position in the ecology (so to speak) makes it a very valuable [01:28] Techrights-sec target; As it gets taken over, more unscrupulous individuals get involved [01:28] Techrights-sec and fewer technically skilled; It becomes about exploitation, technical at [01:28] Techrights-sec first ... [01:28] Techrights-sec IMHO that is one of the reasons IBM targeted it for systemd. The derivatives [01:28] Techrights-sec then fell like dominos. Some skullduggery went on with the vote, if you reall, [01:28] Techrights-sec as systemd wasn't even in the TC's top three choices yet 1) it was chosen by [01:28] Techrights-sec one person and 2) everyone both in and out of the technical committee, [01:28] Techrights-sec with few exceptions, drove it home, 3) those few exceptions objecting to [01:28] Techrights-sec the flawed process or the flawed product were hounded out of the project and [01:28] Techrights-sec the community. [01:37] schestowitz-TR need sleep, voting tomorrow around 9am [01:42] schestowitz-TR bb in a few hours [01:42] schestowitz-TR doing a full (first) backup of 'bubi', the new PC with OSB on it [01:42] schestowitz-TR the critical data and files is safe through redundancy [01:42] schestowitz-TR I trust magnetic more than SD and SSD [01:42] schestowitz-TR speeds don't matter if the life is short [01:42] schestowitz-TR it is very time-consuming having to move all the data from one machine to another [01:43] Techrights-sec ack [01:43] Techrights-sec yes magnetic is better in many regards, just monitor the output from [01:43] Techrights-sec smartmonctl occasionally [01:43] Techrights-sec slow especially if the network is not 1Gb/s or faster. ● May 05 [02:59] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [02:59] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@v6xmmrhxmbafc.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● May 05 [03:08] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 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Campinos with his tamtrum has scored a massive own goal [08:39] schestowitz-TR It not only hurts him and the Office but also UPC [08:39] schestowitz-TR The EFF has said nothing for a week [08:39] schestowitz-TR but not they give assurances and try to keep it "internal" [08:39] schestowitz-TR (yes, of course there will be leaks, there's no "internal" for EPO anymore) [08:39] schestowitz-TR great stuff! [08:39] schestowitz-TR I said EFF, I meant EPO [08:39] schestowitz-TR this freudian slip says something about EFF [08:39] schestowitz-TR EFF has blasted reporters like Assange, in a sense, after Barlow (Assange friend) was gone [08:39] schestowitz-TR although not directly [08:39] schestowitz-TR then there was thr RMS stance and boosting of Microsoft + proxies [08:39] schestowitz-TR EFF is another Mozilla [08:40] Techrights-sec Finally! [08:40] Techrights-sec Remember that in politics on of the tactics is to get the opponent to lose his [08:40] Techrights-sec cool. [08:40] Techrights-sec The EFF has been a cascade of disappointments since Barlow's passing. [08:40] Techrights-sec Ah. Makes more sense now, but still the EFF has been a cascade of disappointments since Barlow's passing. [08:45] Techrights-sec Skimming corporate money while swaning around doing the opposite of their [08:45] Techrights-sec charter? [08:45] Techrights-sec ^swanning [08:50] schestowitz-TR It's a short-term, short-sighted "business" model [08:50] schestowitz-TR you get money from the defection from A to B [08:50] schestowitz-TR A stops paying [08:50] schestowitz-TR B pays for thedefection to influence A [08:50] schestowitz-TR A goes away [08:50] schestowitz-TR B stops paying because A cannot be infleunced anymore [08:51] schestowitz-TR the real way to go about is, keep A happy [08:51] schestowitz-TR That was was you org was for all along [08:51] schestowitz-TR (ex. OSI) [08:58] Techrights-sec That's the superficial business model. What the sponsors are really paying for [08:58] Techrights-sec is for the institution to alienate its userbase, betray its raison d'tre, [08:58] Techrights-sec and burn bridges with its former community. Once the situation is irrevocable [08:58] Techrights-sec they will have gotten their money's worth and can withdraw support and [08:58] Techrights-sec let the institution die. The stenographers will then dutiifully report [08:58] Techrights-sec that there is not public support for the institution and therefore it has [08:58] Techrights-sec declined, fully deflecting from the subversion. ● May 05 [09:20] schestowitz-TR EFF covers abortion. I remember when EFF was something rather different... https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/05/digital-security-and-privacy-tips-those-involved-abortion-access | Source: EFF [09:20] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.eff.org | Digital Security and Privacy Tips for Those Involved in Abortion Access | Electronic Frontier Foundation [09:20] schestowitz-TR going to vote in a moment (pen and paper) [09:45] *activelow has quit (connection closed) [09:45] *activelow (~activelow@jgw69txzipi9g.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● May 05 [10:02] *Despatche has quit (Quit: Read error: Connection reset by deer) ● May 05 [11:42] schestowitz-TR back but afk [11:43] schestowitz-TR i was wrongg [11:43] schestowitz-TR cheap roast 227g is 1.09 [11:43] schestowitz-TR good ones [11:43] schestowitz-TR 1.49 [11:43] schestowitz-TR soy 1 lit. 55p [11:43] schestowitz-TR cheaper than i remembered [11:43] schestowitz-TR got loads of these [11:43] schestowitz-TR for months [11:43] schestowitz-TR cooking oil limited to 3 bottles now [11:43] schestowitz-TR need to ask staff [11:43] schestowitz-TR bbl [11:43] schestowitz-TR properly back niw [11:43] Techrights-sec ack [11:43] Techrights-sec nice [11:43] Techrights-sec o/ [11:43] Techrights-sec ack ● May 05 [12:04] *Despatche (~desp@u3xy9z2ifjzci.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [12:41] schestowitz-TR you did not click the billbc link [12:41] schestowitz-TR I did, saw jkust the summary [12:41] schestowitz-TR I put my comments in IRC -social [12:41] schestowitz-TR BBC will die in a prison [12:41] schestowitz-TR it's like Mozilla and EFF [12:41] schestowitz-TR they will fall on their sowrd [12:41] schestowitz-TR savile didn't kill them [12:41] schestowitz-TR this might [12:41] schestowitz-TR maybe it'll even become cautionary tale [12:41] Techrights-sec which is sad becaue decades ago it was a rather good service [12:41] Techrights-sec at least three decades ago ... [12:41] Techrights-sec not two or less ... [12:43] schestowitz-TR I listened as a kid [12:43] schestowitz-TR it was OK [12:43] schestowitz-TR nowhere near this cesspool [12:43] schestowitz-TR gossip, COVID misinformation, whitewashing perverts [12:43] schestowitz-TR this is the "exist strategy" = sel out [12:43] Techrights-sec Around 2 decades ago BBC World was utter crap already [12:44] schestowitz-TR I thought doing some response or meme, or... [12:44] schestowitz-TR but anything of this kind would give attention to something [12:44] schestowitz-TR I will just put it deeper in the ashtray [12:46] Techrights-sec some short response for Gemini [12:46] Techrights-sec it' already chock full of microsofters, so the writing has been on the wall [12:46] Techrights-sec and given the trajectory it is on, the demise is unavoidable without culling [12:46] Techrights-sec management -- i.e. inevitable and just a question of when not if [12:48] schestowitz-TR they have not been keeping up with the times. I think you saw digi-vegan's comment [12:48] schestowitz-TR he used to work there [12:48] schestowitz-TR if they mentioned the savile thing (before it was widely known), they'd risk [12:48] schestowitz-TR getting sacked [12:48] schestowitz-TR maybe I should refer to the whole BBC as [12:48] Techrights-sec yes [12:48] Techrights-sec gates, savile [12:48] schestowitz-TR The Bill & Savile Broadcasting Corp. [12:48] schestowitz-TR people would get the references, I think [12:49] schestowitz-TR the key point is, remind people what bbc did for savile [12:49] schestowitz-TR and that it takes bribes from gates [12:49] schestowitz-TR and has learned no lessons sense [12:49] schestowitz-TR *since [12:52] Techrights-sec yes it seems very much so [12:53] schestowitz-TR https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/05/04/strength-in-numbers | Source: [12:53] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-meduza.io | NO TITLE ● May 05 [13:02] Techrights-sec ack [13:02] Techrights-sec [13:04] schestowitz-TR my thinking here is, [13:04] schestowitz-TR get upset less [13:04] schestowitz-TR do more [13:04] schestowitz-TR make them pay for it [13:04] schestowitz-TR I can make them pay for it a little at the time, over the next 5 years [13:04] schestowitz-TR it adds up [13:04] schestowitz-TR leah already gets very upset in IRC (at BBC) [13:04] schestowitz-TR maybe the anger will come out at gates [13:04] schestowitz-TR not RMS [13:04] Techrights-sec ack [13:04] Techrights-sec good approach [13:04] Techrights-sec keep working away at it [13:04] Techrights-sec leah does very good work and at very important tasks, from what I read [13:07] schestowitz-TR I regard a lot of the anti, then pro, than anti-RMS period (all of tyhem AFTER 2014, mind you!) [13:07] schestowitz-TR to be attention-seeking, based on her own words, too [13:07] schestowitz-TR basically using the high-profile name to publicise oneself [13:07] schestowitz-TR the media has this tactic and people who exploit the media too [13:07] schestowitz-TR even slapping someone at the oscars can make an old "star" [13:07] schestowitz-TR that nobody has given a shit about for over 10 years suddently [13:07] schestowitz-TR the most spoken about person, for at least a week [13:07] schestowitz-TR without having broken any law [13:11] Techrights-sec ack [13:11] Techrights-sec the slap was assault but my cynical idea is that it was mostly a publicity stunt [13:11] Techrights-sec there have been no actual repercussions [13:11] Techrights-sec not that charges would have been anything more than an inconvenience to someone [13:11] Techrights-sec as wealthy as he appears to be [13:11] Techrights-sec anyway, I think that there is growing acknowledgement that RMS was thrown under [13:11] Techrights-sec the bus, but not publicly nor is there awareness about why -- both the coup [13:11] Techrights-sec to take over FOSS and the protection of Bill [13:11] schestowitz-TR it was not just harmful to Rock but to the image of black people [13:12] schestowitz-TR the White Supremacists benefited a lot [13:12] schestowitz-TR like "see, they don't belong in this class..." [13:12] schestowitz-TR the coup and the distraction are not over [13:12] schestowitz-TR they are still work in progress 3 years on [13:13] Techrights-sec :( [13:13] Techrights-sec There were some fediverse posts about HN takeovers too [13:13] Techrights-sec but social control media in any form is just hearsay [13:13] schestowitz-TR HN is already taken over by bad actor s(y combinator) [13:14] schestowitz-TR and is rather useless [13:14] schestowitz-TR I don't know why anyone would wish get news through that site [13:16] Techrights-sec I don't. However, I did see one of the former principals' posts complaining [13:16] Techrights-sec about it but even he did not see what kind of takeover it was and was still [13:16] Techrights-sec taking it personally [13:16] Techrights-sec He was naively, like I often do myself, considering things to be technical [13:16] Techrights-sec rather than the ICt being a menas of power and political control [13:18] schestowitz-TR we still talk about HN, right? [13:18] schestowitz-TR (me puts some roast on; bought 7 packs today, different varities/blends) [13:18] schestowitz-TR to be clearm, HN does bring a lot of traffic [13:18] schestowitz-TR potenbtially a million hits in a day [13:18] schestowitz-TR a lot more than any other site, inc. slashdot, where # of comments can mislead somewhat [13:22] Techrights-sec yes [13:22] Techrights-sec I don't read HN since it is a garbage site with enforced anti-FOSS bias and [13:22] Techrights-sec filters [13:22] Techrights-sec Oh, it is widely read by others, to be sure, but that does not mean it is [13:22] Techrights-sec a clean site nor unproblematic [13:27] schestowitz-TR I'll say something foolish on the surface [13:27] schestowitz-TR there is unwanted or impure traffic [13:27] schestowitz-TR traffic for the sake of traffic is a bad measure [13:27] schestowitz-TR there is wanted attention [13:28] schestowitz-TR and unwanted (Smityh, Reiser... not the same thing, I know) [13:28] schestowitz-TR Twitter did bring some unwanted attention [13:28] schestowitz-TR I wrote about it 2 years ago in relation to cancel culture [13:28] schestowitz-TR they can gang up on people (lawn too for that matter) to stigmatise them [13:28] schestowitz-TR with labels and all [13:28] schestowitz-TR I don't want to name examples, but we both know of some [13:28] schestowitz-TR once you get labeled, behind your back or without your oinvolvement (being ON the platform can worsen things) [13:28] schestowitz-TR it's hard to shake it off [13:28] schestowitz-TR if you are not in the platform, it's in absentia [13:28] schestowitz-TR if you're on there, you can be tagged and then expected to reply [13:28] schestowitz-TR and a lack of reply too is a reply [13:28] schestowitz-TR the original UPC complainanty kept his distance [13:28] schestowitz-TR no public speaking, just his personal site, PDF form publications, [13:28] schestowitz-TR and submissions to courts [13:28] schestowitz-TR but occasionally speaking behind the scenes to journalists [13:28] schestowitz-TR when confronting rogue people in LARGE NUMBER with CURATED platform you cannot win [13:28] schestowitz-TR it's designed from the onset like that [13:28] schestowitz-TR so you are doomed to "lose" [13:28] Techrights-sec yes brigading as it is called is part of the cultre there and in social control [13:28] Techrights-sec media in general [13:28] Techrights-sec https://youtu.be/zrzMhU_4m-g [13:28] Techrights-sec curation is a euphemism for maniupulation most of the time [13:28] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Invidious: https://inv.riverside.rocks/watch?v=zrzMhU_4m-g [13:28] Techrights-sec by filtering timelines it ensured that only the approved viewpoits are [13:28] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> inv.riverside.rocks | She's a witch! - Invidious [13:28] Techrights-sec avilable and it gives a false impression of sentiments being other than they [13:28] Techrights-sec are [13:30] schestowitz-TR there is also digital 'doping' [13:30] schestowitz-TR where you do things to drive up numbers [13:30] schestowitz-TR in the short term [13:30] schestowitz-TR at high personal expense [13:30] schestowitz-TR like publishing untrue things [13:34] Techrights-sec yes [13:35] schestowitz-TR right now billbc is doping [13:35] schestowitz-TR right now leah is doiping, for the third time around [13:35] schestowitz-TR lunduke is a serial doper [13:35] schestowitz-TR like saying he'd quit twitter so many times [13:35] schestowitz-TR (he's probably still there) [13:37] schestowitz-TR last night I told rianne as I was scrolling down phoronix [13:37] schestowitz-TR that number of comments had declined a lot [13:37] schestowitz-TR it's the only way for me to estimate traffic [13:37] schestowitz-TR months ago he started to included a picture in every post [13:37] schestowitz-TR as if to price up the site and retain the readers [13:38] schestowitz-TR just by means as superficials as these [13:38] schestowitz-TR linutoday also experimented with images a few times [13:38] schestowitz-TR today (see IRC logs) someone asked me to make a copy of the image [13:38] schestowitz-TR in TM [13:38] schestowitz-TR instead of HotLinking [13:38] schestowitz-TR not sure if it made it before the midnight cutoff [13:38] schestowitz-TR with TM it's fast because we don't copy files [13:38] schestowitz-TR after a few days few will still access these pages anyway [13:38] Techrights-sec pictures waste bandwidth and add nothing unless the contain supplementary [13:38] Techrights-sec information and even then they need to be described directly or indirectly [13:38] Techrights-sec in the text, not just ALT attributes [13:39] schestowitz-TR I will record re epo when I'm done doing the daily links [13:40] schestowitz-TR i think that team upc anmd others are going to get in a lot of trouble [13:40] schestowitz-TR but they do so mostly at the expense of the eu [13:40] schestowitz-TR so they take down with them something bigger [13:40] schestowitz-TR which is unfair [13:40] schestowitz-TR abortion is like 30% of all US news now [13:42] Techrights-sec Hotlining is *always* a bad idea [13:42] Techrights-sec ^hotlinking [13:42] Techrights-sec yes, thanks to the committee that brought in reagan [13:42] Techrights-sec they distract from other health care issues to prevent any meaningful discussion [13:42] Techrights-sec of the big picture [13:42] Techrights-sec the reagan committee also paid kidnappers to hold hostages longer than necessary [13:42] Techrights-sec committee is not quite the right word [13:42] Techrights-sec not scotus but reagan [13:42] schestowitz-TR covid and ukraine wars are over [13:42] schestowitz-TR thanks scotus [13:43] Techrights-sec `https://www.vox.com/2019/4/10/18295513/abortion-2020-roe-joe-biden-democrats-republicans [13:43] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Abortion in America: how it became a partisan issue - Vox [13:44] Techrights-sec https://text.npr.org/1096719971 [13:44] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-text.npr.org | Abortion wasn't always the politically charged issue it is today ● May 05 [14:03] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [14:15] schestowitz-TR some trans person knocks on door [14:15] schestowitz-TR "csn I speak to roy?" [14:15] schestowitz-TR I'm here in the dining room [14:15] schestowitz-TR obviously it's someone visiting about the election [14:15] schestowitz-TR "I already voted" [14:15] schestowitz-TR rianne: he wants to know how you voted [14:15] schestowitz-TR me: I keep it personal [14:15] schestowitz-TR (I didn't know it was trans until he left and rianne told me) [14:15] schestowitz-TR so for weeks we get tons of junk mail [14:15] schestowitz-TR for campaigns [14:15] schestowitz-TR and now they come knocking like dehovah witnesses [14:15] schestowitz-TR maybe even worse than last year [14:15] schestowitz-TR I didn't see the face of anything, but as soon as the knocking started I guessed it [14:15] schestowitz-TR was election-related nag [14:15] schestowitz-TR I think asking me how I voted is too nosy [14:15] schestowitz-TR even if it was "exit poll" [14:15] schestowitz-TR plus: we still have a virus passing through millions, I want to minimise exposure to people [14:15] schestowitz-TR for the time being [14:16] Techrights-sec definitely [14:16] Techrights-sec and who knows where they are really from [14:19] schestowitz-TR rianne and I talk about it at the moment [14:19] schestowitz-TR she mentions how some are paid by parties to survey people [14:19] schestowitz-TR I joke "it could be a spy even... LOL" [14:19] schestowitz-TR ransom person passing by asking to speak to me and, failign that, asking how I vote" [14:19] schestowitz-TR ' [14:19] schestowitz-TR with my first name on paper [14:19] schestowitz-TR I don't know election rules, but in recent years even the junk mail was very undesirable [14:19] schestowitz-TR never mind dooor visits [14:19] schestowitz-TR those can wake a person up [14:19] schestowitz-TR or be a false alarm [14:20] Techrights-sec one can work days and hardly ever get an interruption at the door, but working [14:20] Techrights-sec nights it can often seem like there is a queue in the hallway waiting to [14:20] Techrights-sec bother the doorbell or knock [14:23] schestowitz-TR rianne works weekeend basically, I do nights [14:24] schestowitz-TR next week we'll do the "meeting" (Meet) [14:24] schestowitz-TR Gulag I assume [14:24] schestowitz-TR See what they have to offer and decide [14:24] schestowitz-TR We already discuss other things we can do, since last week in fact [14:24] schestowitz-TR TM and TR are run very efficiently, I could spare some time to earn the basics [14:48] schestowitz-TR next thurs. on Gulag meet (yes, proprietary; I might even point that out on the call!) [14:48] schestowitz-TR we'll see what's on offer and decide whether to take or or leave it... or outright leave [14:48] Techrights-sec I hope the meeting goes well. BigBlueButton would be another option, it [14:48] Techrights-sec is better than googemeet and zoom. Maybe it is easy to host on a RPI these [14:48] Techrights-sec days. [14:54] schestowitz-TR the probability of leaving is high because even a week ago we spoke about quitting [14:54] schestowitz-TR before even knowing of any plans, that was just a coincidence [14:54] schestowitz-TR because rianne was very unhappy about the embrace of Gulag Voice [14:54] schestowitz-TR which mostly causes stress as it's not reliable liker Asterisk [14:54] schestowitz-TR and we're not properly listened to, the decisions are not being made [14:54] schestowitz-TR transparently [14:54] Techrights-sec ack [14:59] schestowitz-TR sorry for the ramble etc. I probably won't make the final decision on the spot. 3 people [14:59] schestowitz-TR whom I spoke to all same more or less the same, but if I cannot keep this very easy job [14:59] schestowitz-TR or keep this job very simple, it's time to move [14:59] schestowitz-TR Outsourcing is part of the ongoing journey towards misery or the 'EFF effect' [14:59] schestowitz-TR so rianne and I knew it would not last forever, even just days before it finally [14:59] schestowitz-TR materialised, I believe for totally unrelated reasons [14:59] schestowitz-TR one element here is also pride and principle; some of these clients I outright refuse to work for [14:59] schestowitz-TR (like passing to a colleague) and it compromises my belief [14:59] schestowitz-TR like RMS asking people to do things for him [14:59] Techrights-sec yes ● May 05 [15:00] schestowitz-TR (of note: it's one of the reasons if not THE reason LXO quit ICBM... I think he didn't like them [15:00] schestowitz-TR imposing clown things on Red Hat staff) [15:02] schestowitz-TR /me mentally drafts a post like "Leaving My Job to Do Techrighs Full Time" and explaining [15:02] schestowitz-TR the rationale and ramifications [15:09] Techrights-sec again I would suggest setting up a tip jar of sorts at patreon or strip or both [15:09] Techrights-sec ^stripe [15:09] schestowitz-TR to be clear, I can point out that all the site's producitity was done for 10 years ith 36-hour-per-week job [15:09] schestowitz-TR on the side [15:09] schestowitz-TR but if I take money from readers there might be expectations and demand [15:09] schestowitz-TR like iam dawe in GoL and Larabel at Phoronix [15:09] schestowitz-TR that pressure if not healthy, rianne often jokes about Larabel having to write to please [15:09] schestowitz-TR the sponsors [15:10] Techrights-sec yes he does, but a tip jar is less pressure and none if one is up front [15:10] Techrights-sec about goals (or am I too naive in that regard?) [15:12] schestowitz-TR I can certainly give that a go, but no sooner than 7 days from now when I figure out the situation [15:12] schestowitz-TR and 'translate' the "BS talk" (they're rarely honest with us, one need to read between the lines) [15:12] schestowitz-TR I am guesing they wish to keep us with another set of tasks. I.e. much higher output. We've long [15:12] schestowitz-TR been stagnant in NOC, which was good for us... but the outsourcing was mostly a desperate [15:12] schestowitz-TR measure to cut costs [15:12] Techrights-sec https://docs.bigbluebutton.org/2.3/install.html [15:12] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-docs.bigbluebutton.org | BigBlueButton : Install [15:12] Techrights-sec BBB is Docker :( :( :( [15:13] schestowitz-TR Docker means "too compplicated to install, we could not bother to make it easier" [15:13] schestowitz-TR Ubuntu means "can't install Debian" (true if you have nasty firmware, IME) [15:14] Techrights-sec ack [15:14] Techrights-sec yep and full of cruft at that [15:14] Techrights-sec it means they could not bother even a little [15:14] Techrights-sec it's basically proprietary software; I had mistaken it for FOSS [15:19] schestowitz-TR funny story and relevant [15:19] schestowitz-TR last year or in 2020 the company asked us to study docker and kubernetes [15:19] schestowitz-TR and sent us links, courses etc. [15:19] schestowitz-TR rianne even installed the darn thing on her laptop, with 4gb of ram, to tinker [15:19] schestowitz-TR I cautioned her against it [15:19] schestowitz-TR later she would also add flatpak and snap [15:19] schestowitz-TR which are persistent as services [15:20] schestowitz-TR but never mind that [15:20] schestowitz-TR the point is, we reckon the company false claimed to possible clients that we had [15:20] schestowitz-TR the skills ane xperience [15:20] schestowitz-TR and post-hoc asdked us to study that (they did the same with ansible and kafka) [15:20] schestowitz-TR I did install kafka on my laptop at one point [15:20] schestowitz-TR IIRC, kafma started in LinkedIn (before Microsoft) and is now apache [15:20] schestowitz-TR anyhow, I do know a bit of docker [15:20] schestowitz-TR it's not impressive, it just assumes infinite resources and while prmising to lower [15:20] schestowitz-TR complexity it makes things less elegant [15:20] schestowitz-TR throwing cruft and redundancy at things to compensate for bad design [15:20] schestowitz-TR flatpak leads to many of the same things being on the same system [15:20] schestowitz-TR even multiple version of the same thing [15:20] schestowitz-TR debian was (originally) about shared libraries ands meapackages sorting out the made of deps [15:20] schestowitz-TR appimages, docker, and sll the rest are a departure from ths appaorahc [15:20] schestowitz-TR out of laziness [15:20] schestowitz-TR like the "apps" "ecosystem" [15:20] schestowitz-TR but nowadays it's noy CS lecturers dictating trends [15:20] schestowitz-TR but "economists"a and marketing people, who ship as soon as something "runs" [15:20] schestowitz-TR never mind if it has 64k ports open [15:20] schestowitz-TR and if it barely works [15:20] schestowitz-TR it's economics to them, not science [15:20] schestowitz-TR the EPO syndrome :- [15:20] schestowitz-TR "if it makes more moneyh,, DO IT!" [15:20] Techrights-sec Jitsi-Meet seems to fare better: https://download.jitsi.org/stable/ [15:20] Techrights-sec but it seems x86-only [15:20] Techrights-sec ack [15:20] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-download.jitsi.org | Index of /stable/ [15:20] Techrights-sec yes [15:20] Techrights-sec yes, that schools have become followers and not leaders basically means [15:20] Techrights-sec that society has ended up chasing its own tail in every tightening circles [15:20] Techrights-sec with no progress forward; a death spiral of extraction as the schools are mined [15:20] Techrights-sec if it makes more money -- this quarter -- do it!""" [15:23] schestowitz-TR far-fetched analogy [15:23] schestowitz-TR but this is why COVID-19 is so widepsread and normalised [15:23] schestowitz-TR wars all the time(now ukraine, still a total mayhem) [15:23] schestowitz-TR and poor health [sic] care [sic] not just in the US [15:23] schestowitz-TR but the media is all about abortion rights at the moment [15:23] schestowitz-TR (it's a big problem, but they turned it into POLITICS!!!) [15:23] schestowitz-TR it's not a political issue [15:23] schestowitz-TR it's "cheaper" to let old people die and younger ones to be crippled [15:23] schestowitz-TR than to accept lockdowns are better, NZ did that [15:23] schestowitz-TR we're an island like NZ [15:24] Techrights-sec yes red herrings work to draw people away from matters of substance [15:24] Techrights-sec or more accurately away from the /real/ core issues [15:24] Techrights-sec Everything is being politicized these days [15:33] schestowitz-TR of note: seveal times when I was 38 or 29 I thought of [15:33] schestowitz-TR or 29 [15:33] schestowitz-TR *or 39 [15:33] schestowitz-TR I thought I should consider taking a break from work at 40 [15:33] schestowitz-TR I've worked since around 14 [15:33] schestowitz-TR I have some latex memoes where I had the listing of jobs, dates [15:33] schestowitz-TR I have many of these rough 'memoirs' [15:33] schestowitz-TR as memories fade and in one old job a had lots of time at "the office" [15:33] schestowitz-TR withoiut much to do [15:33] schestowitz-TR so I was typing a lot in LyX and sometimes directly in raw latex [15:33] schestowitz-TR later years also in palm pda with keyboard [15:33] schestowitz-TR the idea of working from 14 until 67 does not appeal to me [15:33] schestowitz-TR nobody can even gurantee one can live till that age, either [15:33] schestowitz-TR the economy is ina bad state [15:33] schestowitz-TR and to me that is not an argument for working more or harder [15:33] schestowitz-TR rather than taking a pause, applicable since cira 2008 [15:33] schestowitz-TR |*crica [15:33] schestowitz-TR *circa [15:33] schestowitz-TR *life is too shortr to proofread unless it's for a large audicnece ;-) [15:38] Techrights-sec ack [15:38] Techrights-sec quiterss is useful but very slow and CPU intensive, it sometimes hangs too [15:38] schestowitz-TR /me looks at quiterss, not much of substance there [15:38] schestowitz-TR rianne finioshed her pass, she did not find much either [15:38] schestowitz-TR with less mind pollution from work I could think more clearly of topics to cover [15:38] schestowitz-TR and work out of the way means more time flexibility [15:38] schestowitz-TR quite rss is still a lot better than thunderbird after mozilla killed off lots of extensions [15:38] schestowitz-TR including thunderbrowse, which I had used for years [15:38] schestowitz-TR thunderbird only got worse for me, but for email the alternatives are abandoned [15:38] schestowitz-TR as if the concept of making a decent mail client is like building a BBS client [15:38] schestowitz-TR or USENET client... even IRC clients are still being developed [15:38] schestowitz-TR but the challenge associated with them is of less complexity then treating WEB PAGES [15:38] schestowitz-TR as "messages" [15:38] schestowitz-TR apropos, for techrights-sec I always usequassel, which, seeing the features it is, [15:38] schestowitz-TR has leapt passed konversation [15:38] schestowitz-TR but I am too accustomed to konversation [15:38] schestowitz-TR *leapt past [15:38] schestowitz-TR *quassel [15:38] schestowitz-TR I tried it about 12 years ago when Omar in IRC suggested trying it [15:38] schestowitz-TR it has improved since [15:39] schestowitz-TR Omar was a Palestinian living in Lebanon [15:39] Techrights-sec I wish that applications would focus on one thing and do that one thing well [15:39] Techrights-sec I see no need for a browser or RSSin a mail client [15:39] Techrights-sec both quassel and konversation are quite good but quite different [15:39] Techrights-sec ack [15:39] *wallacer has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [15:40] *wallacer (~quassel@6bsu33ajs4zs4.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [15:44] schestowitz-TR quassel has in ti the functionality I 'implemented' in bash, to track multiple channels in one place [15:44] schestowitz-TR afaik, konversation still lacks that [15:44] schestowitz-TR but my bash thing is more flexible, so it has been extended a bit, in ways I cannot do with bolted in GUI [15:44] schestowitz-TR re html and mail, don't forget that some 'mail' clients no longer send text [15:44] schestowitz-TR kaniini complained introducing people to some thing like REAL git (over email) was [15:44] schestowitz-TR not possible because they thooughht email=web page [15:44] schestowitz-TR and their "apps" insisted so [15:44] schestowitz-TR so nowadays thunderbird can ave a ton of holes (EFF with "fmail" was AFTER barlow died... [15:44] schestowitz-TR EFF keeps bashing PGP... a lot... to promote hipster SHITE) [15:44] schestowitz-TR as Firefox grows and grows so does thunderbird [15:44] schestowitz-TR a lot of tyhe trouble is a consequence of tossing gecko into a MAIL client [15:44] schestowitz-TR and if you tuned off that "bit", then thunderbird would hardly need patches [15:44] schestowitz-TR I've lost count of how many very fine extensions I once had in thunderbird [15:44] schestowitz-TR they killed off almost all of them [15:44] schestowitz-TR same in firefox [15:45] schestowitz-TR cutting one's own legs and arms for "aerodynamics" [15:45] schestowitz-TR (runners can run even faster if they surgically remove their ears... or breasts in women's case) [15:47] Techrights-sec I know, I've started to see that. Also people who are limited to webmail clients are easy victims for phishing, sp [15:47] Techrights-sec earphishing, and even clickless attacks [15:47] Techrights-sec Perhaps therre is a conflict of interest among EFF staff that they are [15:47] Techrights-sec trying to undermine privacy and integrity [15:47] Techrights-sec yes firefox used to be simple and extensible [15:47] Techrights-sec there were articles from several unrelated authors about the near impossible [15:47] Techrights-sec situation GAFAM has created out of the web; it's not possible any more to [15:47] Techrights-sec start developing a new web browser due to all the cruft and gratuitious [15:47] Techrights-sec complexity; [15:47] Techrights-sec I'd like to see a generic XML browser that has style sheets for HTML and other [15:48] Techrights-sec markup languages [15:49] schestowitz-TR netsurf is nice, but it would not work with "modern" sites or barely work with them [15:49] schestowitz-TR afaict, it works nicely in fsf, gnu, tuxmachines, TR [15:49] schestowitz-TR I did not check much beyond that, except schestowitz.com [15:49] schestowitz-TR those were build for browsing in the IE6 era [15:49] schestowitz-TR when the web became very, very stagnenant [15:49] schestowitz-TR had become rather [15:49] schestowitz-TR until Firefox came and grew [15:49] schestowitz-TR www (protocols) and html* (formats, too) have since then became a lot more complex than even ooxml [15:49] schestowitz-TR but nobody wants to say that [15:49] schestowitz-TR and we are back to the era of "this works only with x yz browser" [15:49] schestowitz-TR where it's likely all except firefox are the same codebase [15:50] Techrights-sec yes we are clearly back in that era. strang that marketeetrs actively throw [15:50] Techrights-sec away market share in order to pursue pernicious ideologies and not build things [15:50] Techrights-sec or grow market shar [15:50] Techrights-sec it's 1996 all over again [15:54] schestowitz-TR very different in the technical sense due to scale [15:54] schestowitz-TR bendali says firefrox and chrome are 30+ million LOCs [15:54] schestowitz-TR he knows cause he builds off of them [15:54] schestowitz-TR and I reckon he has a fell for which portions are essential [15:54] schestowitz-TR with "workers" and other crap thrown into the browser (EME is binary blob) it's no longer [15:54] schestowitz-TR just gecko, there are other moving parts inside the machine [15:54] schestowitz-TR dealing with states and stuff like notifications (OS-level hooks) [15:54] schestowitz-TR Even VirtualBox does not seem to have that much access [15:54] schestowitz-TR this is to the OS what WINE, not a VM, is to an OS [15:54] schestowitz-TR or maybe WSL [15:54] schestowitz-TR WSL is failing, it's a niche toy and Microsoft seems to have limited the amount of money wasted [15:54] schestowitz-TR on 1) developing it 2) marketing it [15:55] Techrights-sec ... except now the browser are being used as virtual machines to run [15:55] Techrights-sec programs of undetermined provenance and proprietary at that [15:55] Techrights-sec ack ● May 05 [16:00] schestowitz-TR to whit, fgulag meet [16:00] schestowitz-TR I didn't even know what it was [16:00] schestowitz-TR rianne asked me to check [16:00] schestowitz-TR I was guessing it's what gulag calls hangover [sic] now [16:00] schestowitz-TR after canning "Hangouts" [16:00] schestowitz-TR they also killed off Gulag Voice [16:01] schestowitz-TR now it's "new experience" [16:01] schestowitz-TR i.e. they removed some key features like "direct to landline" [16:01] schestowitz-TR which is how rianne took calls off it [16:01] schestowitz-TR each timew you log it there is a different version running [16:01] schestowitz-TR it's a program of unknown integrity [16:01] schestowitz-TR running off your machine [16:01] schestowitz-TR but sent over to you by some unknown, NSA-connected entity [16:01] schestowitz-TR in another continent [16:01] schestowitz-TR all this just to implement simple chat [16:01] schestowitz-TR I did this back in the 1990s with 14k baud modem [16:01] schestowitz-TR just occurred to me, if NSA targets you, gulag will send a tailor-made version [16:01] schestowitz-TR of gulag hangover/voice/meat [sic] to you [16:01] schestowitz-TR with lots of juicy things [16:01] schestowitz-TR now that browsers can access anything on your machine and the network [16:01] schestowitz-TR you would not see cxhecksums of the program your browser is executing [16:01] schestowitz-TR and gulag doe snot support any browser not controlled at least partly by gulag for its [16:01] schestowitz-TR disservices [16:01] schestowitz-TR so it is in control of "both sides of the transaction" [16:01] schestowitz-TR the program it sends to you [16:01] schestowitz-TR and the shandbox which executes it [16:01] Techrights-sec yep [16:01] Techrights-sec yep or any number of other things, including javascript in the browser aas [16:01] Techrights-sec a steping stone to larger intrusions if nothing else [16:06] schestowitz-TR brb coffee, then working on feeds, then recording [16:06] schestowitz-TR (feeling like this summer I might be free at last) [16:12] schestowitz-TR ack [16:12] Techrights-sec ack [16:12] schestowitz-TR back [16:12] schestowitz-TR if I make up free time, I can improve a lot of things in git (over gemini), irc, gemini, and of course the site [16:12] schestowitz-TR which needs modernising only at the back end [16:13] schestowitz-TR it's good that we don't rely on just one protocol and everything is consolidated (no social [16:13] schestowitz-TR controm media inc. for video) [16:13] schestowitz-TR whichj limits the amount of time-wasting and risk [16:13] schestowitz-TR I will convey these ideas to rianne later [16:13] schestowitz-TR I have a feeling the new offer they give us won't be good enough and we will leave in good terms [16:13] schestowitz-TR as I said a week ago, I had no intention ofm seeking alternative employment [16:13] schestowitz-TR another option might be, agree to do 1-2 days a week, just to keep financially neutral and a foot inside the [16:13] Techrights-sec ack [16:13] Techrights-sec ok [16:13] schestowitz-TR door so to speak [16:13] schestowitz-TR it'll likely be negotiable [16:13] schestowitz-TR rianne does 2 a week now, I've done 4.6 a week for a decade [16:22] schestowitz-TR daily links heavy on abortion new, light on 'FOSS' [16:22] schestowitz-TR in progress atm [16:22] Techrights-sec ack [16:22] Techrights-sec In the automated links or the manual links? [16:22] schestowitz-TR in was just about to add: [16:22] schestowitz-TR the abortion stuff isn't the cujrated bit [16:22] schestowitz-TR but the sites we have "left" in the program are decent [16:22] schestowitz-TR and do not over-politicise this issue [16:22] schestowitz-TR they rightly present this as a women's (primarily) matter [16:22] schestowitz-TR and how the corporate system with scotus fails them [16:22] schestowitz-TR (typically when I add those they go near the top of categories not due to preferences [16:22] schestowitz-TR but practical reasons of finding the category name) [16:22] schestowitz-TR so "first" means "ltest added" [16:24] Techrights-sec ok [16:24] Techrights-sec ack [16:24] schestowitz-TR I wanmted to point this out many times before [16:24] schestowitz-TR it really ought to be the opposite, i.e. curated first, then the rest [16:24] schestowitz-TR but in practice that means a lot of scrolling [16:24] schestowitz-TR (my mouse has poor scrolling, but it gets by) [16:24] Techrights-sec I can look into the order but I thought the automated links came after the [16:24] Techrights-sec curated links [16:26] schestowitz-TR yes, but when they're added it's reverse-chrom [16:26] schestowitz-TR popping on top of the stack when searching for the category name, then dropping it on top [16:26] schestowitz-TR after added the items on top of the "merged" file [16:26] schestowitz-TR one possible "fix" is to first do automate, then curated added at the top [16:26] schestowitz-TR another is, always scroll down to the bottom [16:26] schestowitz-TR but that's like 100-200 times per day [16:27] Techrights-sec Ok I'll look into fixing the sequencing, it may take a day or so [16:27] Techrights-sec I just have to see which script is reversing the sequence, if that is what's [16:27] Techrights-sec happening. [16:28] schestowitz-TR that is more of my workflow issue, not the program [16:28] schestowitz-TR namely, it is faster to search for the heading of the category, then place the cursor below