●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Wednesday, October 05, 2022 ●● ● Oct 05 [00:19] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [00:24] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@6vjj4ykdcjqgc.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 05 [03:18] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [03:21] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@nv3bxrjx7gmuc.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [03:43] *starstreak has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Oct 05 [04:55] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) ● Oct 05 [05:11] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@57mp77k2cp9ci.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [05:28] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [05:29] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 05 [06:08] Techrights-sec spot on [06:12] schestowitz-TR [21:23] mjg59_, How long until Microsoft changes that policy? [06:12] schestowitz-TR [21:23] (NEW): Khadas Edge2 review with Android 12 http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/04/Khadas_Edge2_review_w [06:12] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 404 @ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/04/Khadas_Edge2_review_w ) [06:12] schestowitz-TR ith_Android_12.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/04/Khadas_Edge2_review_with_Android_12.gmi [06:12] schestowitz-TR [21:23] [Notice] -TechrightsBot-tr to #techrights- news.tuxmachines.org | Tux Machines Khadas Edge2 review with Android 12 [06:12] schestowitz-TR [21:23] the moment they think they can get away with it [06:12] schestowitz-TR [21:23] Then even better, when they do that, what stops them from issuing dbx updates that revoke all versions of shim and grub? [06:12] schestowitz-TR [21:23] keyturn killswitch [06:12] schestowitz-TR [21:24] they have it hibernating on many PCs already [06:12] schestowitz-TR [21:24] nothing stops them from doing that [06:12] schestowitz-TR [21:24] that's the whole point [06:12] schestowitz-TR [21:24] though they'll probably do a false flag operation to "justify" it [06:12] schestowitz-TR [21:26] The entire point of mjg59_'s "shim" is to evade the GPL's anti-DRM provisions. [06:12] schestowitz-TR [21:27] If they tried to "sign" GRUB and then tell you that you couldn't run modified versions of it, they'd be in violation of the GPL. [06:12] schestowitz-TR [21:27] So shim is a GPL evasion tool. [06:12] Techrights-sec "schestowitz[TR], But will it actually let you turn off Matt GULAG Boot?" [06:12] Techrights-sec no it will not, soon: [06:12] Techrights-sec https://www.dell.com/support/kbdoc/en-us/000124038/bios-and-operating-system-requirements-to-met-support-secured-core-personal-computing?lang=en [06:12] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-BIOS and Operating System Requirements to Met Support Secured-core Personal Computing | Dell US [06:16] schestowitz-TR thank you microsoft, the diamond sponsor [06:16] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [06:16] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [06:20] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [06:21] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [06:22] Techrights-sec I would suspect that there are a lot of ways to modify a cracked system [06:22] Techrights-sec to ensure it won't ever boot again, and those modifications are equally [06:22] Techrights-sec possible as remote actions either through trojans, chained exploits, or [06:22] Techrights-sec simply taking control over the update process upstream by court or military [06:22] Techrights-sec order. Restricted boot thus doubles as a remote killl switch. [06:23] schestowitz-TR yes, germany figured this out a long time ago [06:23] schestowitz-TR mjg59_ has in effect enabled not only an attack on GNU/Linux [06:23] schestowitz-TR but on computing in genral [06:23] schestowitz-TR not just software freedom [06:23] schestowitz-TR it is the exact opposite of security [06:28] mjg59_ You'd suspect incorrectly [06:29] Techrights-sec Yes, there is the GPL-circumvention aspect too, but that's a legal and [06:29] Techrights-sec ethical quagmire. Installing a (remote) kill switch to almost brick x86 [06:29] Techrights-sec hardware is a military or national defense issue. It severely hurts [06:29] Techrights-sec defensive readiness because as good as all client hardware in both the [06:29] Techrights-sec public and private sectors are x86, at least as far as general purpose [06:29] Techrights-sec computing goes. [06:29] schestowitz-TR I said that almost a decade ago, several times in fact [06:29] Techrights-sec Yes [06:30] mjg59_ It's amazing how you just make stuff up [06:30] schestowitz-TR i am sort of 'saying' to myself, wait... is this something new or a eureka moment? [06:30] schestowitz-TR it's mostly a change in wording or framing [06:30] schestowitz-TR but both issues we're talking about [06:30] schestowitz-TR "war on modified systems" [06:30] schestowitz-TR or [06:30] schestowitz-TR "remove bricking" [06:30] schestowitz-TR those were alluded to in different words many times before [06:30] schestowitz-TR that microisoft would IMPOSE this later with OEMs was predicted from the very start [06:30] schestowitz-TR that link is not even needed as Lenovo ALREADY does it, not merely speaks about it [06:31] *starstreak (~starstreak@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [06:31] Techrights-sec Not really but the framing is different now because Putler has a reason to [06:31] Techrights-sec use restricted boot against the West now. [06:31] Techrights-sec Yes, it was clear as daylight that m$ was moving that direction and that [06:31] Techrights-sec each step brought us closer to that. [06:31] Techrights-sec Liars and m$ moles would counter each time by saying that the end goal had [06:31] Techrights-sec not yet been acquire so therefore the step in question was "harmless" [06:31] Techrights-sec None of the steps have been harmless in and of themselves and each have hurt [06:31] Techrights-sec general purpose computing in their own way as well as keeping us on the road [06:31] Techrights-sec to the end of general purpose computing. [06:37] psydruid is the mole's job to categorically deny any and all wrongdoings? [06:37] psydruid "There is malware in the firmware that injects malware into your malware" [06:39] schestowitz-TR to them, BSD and GNU/Linux is the "malware" [06:39] schestowitz-TR ti prevent it from running [06:45] psydruid I'm totally fine with that agenda [06:46] psydruid they should prevent it from running even more [06:46] psydruid actually it shouldn't run at all now and forever [06:47] psydruid after [06:54] schestowitz-TR the important thing is not the losses (or win) [06:54] schestowitz-TR the important thing is that you keep fighting [06:54] schestowitz-TR the important thing is not the losses (or win) [06:54] schestowitz-TR the important thing is that you keep fighting [06:55] psydruid so more developers will put all of their efforts into supporting non-x86 hardware with free system firmwares [06:55] schestowitz-TR there are forces and actors to whom users controlling their computing is unacceptable [06:55] schestowitz-TR and if they are not canceled, they might alert other people [06:55] psydruid the mole can enjoy his career peddling backdoored hardware [06:56] schestowitz-TR yes [06:57] psydruid and this why the mole must be present here causing us to play a game of whack-a-mole instead of focusing on what needs to happen [06:57] schestowitz-TR the answer is in the question [06:57] psydruid from what I see the more open hardware all comes from Asia and China in particular [06:57] schestowitz-TR or the statement [06:58] schestowitz-TR people have learned to ignore some moles [06:58] schestowitz-TR so they try to [06:58] schestowitz-TR -get even [06:58] schestowitz-TR -salvage something by find some way - ANY way - to cancel the mesenger [06:59] schestowitz-TR not just china and india [06:59] schestowitz-TR Russia is trying to make its own domestic chips viable [06:59] schestowitz-TR they know that in the long run the dying US empire of 6 eyes won't allow anything to boot [06:59] schestowitz-TR first they spread wsindows everywhere [06:59] schestowitz-TR now they deliver many boards with trojan horses soldered in so to speak ● Oct 05 [07:01] psydruid there are firmwares that inject drivers and utilities into malware operating systems [07:01] psydruid and people consider this normal [07:03] psydruid it's not just about windows, it's about furthering the hegemony of US companies over companies from the rest of the world [07:03] psydruid and imposing US culture too [07:07] schestowitz-TR yeah, exactly [07:08] schestowitz-TR anyway, we are a thorn on that agenda's side. Hence the name-calling and stalking. [07:58] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, Yes, I was talking to someone earlier about what I'll do when the PC is hopeless. [07:58] DaemonFC It's very nearly there already, as mjg59_ himself pointed out. [07:58] schestowitz-TR (NEW): Bill Gates' Evil Prophecy http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/05/Bill_Gates_Evil_Prophecy.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/05/Bill_Gates_Evil_Prophecy.gmi [07:58] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-news.tuxmachines.org | Tux Machines Bill Gates' Evil Prophecy [07:58] DaemonFC You have to toggle a setting that for all intents and purposes fucks up Windows to get "Secure" Boot running again. [07:58] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: you caught him lying [07:59] DaemonFC And in that case, you may as well just turn it off and take the hit right there. [07:59] schestowitz-TR and now he's busted [07:59] schestowitz-TR Microsoft shill [07:59] schestowitz-TR see the above article [07:59] DaemonFC I never wanted the PC to end like this. [07:59] schestowitz-TR from a Techrights reader [07:59] schestowitz-TR since like 15 years ago [07:59] DaemonFC Mainly because other platforms are not as developed and they're not as fast or as cheap (due to mass manufacturing). ● Oct 05 [08:00] DaemonFC It's not the technical excellence that keeps me coming back. It's the compatibility and cheapness and the fact that there's no really awful toolchain bugs. [08:00] schestowitz-TR brb [08:00] DaemonFC You know, you use PowerPC even and GCC can't build Firefox correctly anymore. [08:01] DaemonFC You need a hacked up GCC just to build it with most of the JavaScript engine optimizations disabled. [08:01] DaemonFC That really sucks. [08:01] DaemonFC Linux had good support for PowerPC on the desktop at one point because Macs used it. [08:01] DaemonFC So there were people using it and making sure it at least didn't break. [08:02] DaemonFC And now it's a server thing and if you try to use it as a desktop, you don't know what you have. [08:02] Techrights-sec ack [08:02] Techrights-sec it seems to be infecting ARM too [08:03] DaemonFC mjg59_, So did you have time to go over my question about flashing UEFI from Hirem's BootCD PE? [08:03] DaemonFC It's nice that there's basically no release notes. [08:03] DaemonFC You have to pass it to find out what's in it, as Pelosi might say. [08:04] DaemonFC I don't see much value in updating the firmware. [08:05] DaemonFC Best case, you close some holes. Worst case, it slips in something really nasty or goes ahead and hoses your motherboard. [08:05] DaemonFC I haven't seen any indication that Lenovo actually knows a whole hell of a lot about firmware. [08:06] DaemonFC The last time I flashed it, it was under warranty and 12 revisions in, they still had typos in the UEFI setup program. [08:29] schestowitz-TR maybe I will ask alejandro, the (c) holder, for permission to reproduce the above article [08:33] mjg59_ I feel like I've been extremely clear that it's not Pluton that's blocking Linux on the Z13 [08:36] schestowitz-TR straw man [08:37] mjg59_ It's a claim that's made in that article [08:37] mjg59_ It's quite clearly not a straw man [08:46] schestowitz-TR "Use regular expressions to find and filter content in HTML pages in the grep and pcre2grep command-line utilities." Says Red Hat whose article BLOCKS anyone not running PROPRIETARY JS code... and which also blocks wget https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2022/10/05/filter-content-html-using-regular-expressions-grep [08:46] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-developers.redhat.com | Filter content in HTML using regular expressions in grep | Red Hat Developer [08:46] Techrights-sec "Use regular expressions to find and filter content in HTML pages in the grep and pcre2grep command-line utilities." Says Red Hat whose article BLOCKS anyone not running PROPRIETARY JS code... and which also blocks wget https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2022/10/05/filter-content-html-using-regular-expressions-grep [08:47] Techrights-sec regex cannot parse HTML or even well-formed XML thus I can tell that the [08:47] Techrights-sec Red Hat article is 100% bullshit before even clicking on the link. [08:47] Techrights-sec (NEW): Bill Gates' Evil Prophecy [08:47] Techrights-sec Excellent. By the way, at the end of the article he mentions a FSF campaign [08:47] Techrights-sec against Vista11, perhaps the profile of that campaign can be elevated? [08:49] schestowitz-TR that Red Hat started blocking wget is sort of new [08:49] schestowitz-TR only saw that yesterday [08:49] schestowitz-TR that it's getting harder and harder to acess the site without JS is a disgrace to what the company stoof for [08:49] schestowitz-TR *stood [08:49] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [08:56] schestowitz-TR re vista 11 campain, it was so muted that I can barely recall if one exists [08:56] schestowitz-TR I've just mailed alessandro for (c) permission [08:56] schestowitz-TR he has been reading TR since it was like a year old [08:56] schestowitz-TR the people of pclos mag are closely connected to tuxmachines through sunsan [08:56] schestowitz-TR meemaw cannot post to new TM, he's the editor [08:56] schestowitz-TR anyway, don't want to step on any toes, hence asking [08:56] schestowitz-TR *campaign [08:57] Techrights-sec How malicious of them. I only heard of it via alejandro's article, [08:59] schestowitz-TR I think FSF wrote one blog post about it [08:59] schestowitz-TR maybe 2 at most [08:59] schestowitz-TR that's now what I'd call a campaign [08:59] schestowitz-TR when the Lenovo news came out [08:59] schestowitz-TR FSF just did some article about BIOS [08:59] schestowitz-TR and did not mention what Lenovo/Microsoft had done [08:59] schestowitz-TR that would be a violation of Co^H^Hkind communication guidelines [08:59] Techrights-sec hip WTF??? [08:59] Techrights-sec ack ● Oct 05 [09:01] Techrights-sec I'd say, let's not be too harash [09:01] Techrights-sec they are besieged rather than malicious [09:01] Techrights-sec but it is also a cautionary tale [09:01] Techrights-sec notice how the divide-and-rule tactics worked [09:01] Techrights-sec in EFF and FSF [09:02] Techrights-sec spying [09:02] Techrights-sec finding dirt [09:02] Techrights-sec identify grudges [09:02] schestowitz-TR I'd say, let's not be too harash [09:02] Techrights-sec make demands [09:02] schestowitz-TR they are besieged rather than malicious [09:02] Techrights-sec I'd say, let's not be too harash [09:02] schestowitz-TR but it is also a cautionary tale [09:02] schestowitz-TR notice how the divide-and-rule tactics worked [09:02] Techrights-sec they are besieged rather than malicious [09:02] schestowitz-TR in EFF and FSF [09:02] Techrights-sec but it is also a cautionary tale [09:02] schestowitz-TR spying [09:02] schestowitz-TR finding dirt [09:02] Techrights-sec notice how the divide-and-rule tactics worked [09:02] schestowitz-TR identify grudges [09:02] Techrights-sec in EFF and FSF [09:02] schestowitz-TR make demands [09:02] Techrights-sec spying [09:02] Techrights-sec finding dirt [09:02] Techrights-sec identify grudges [09:02] Techrights-sec make demands [09:03] schestowitz-TR (pasted in wrong place) [09:03] schestowitz-TR finding damaged people like Microsoft Peter is icing on the case [09:03] schestowitz-TR but mostly because they are easy to control and dispose [09:03] schestowitz-TR so they can never be truly independent [09:03] schestowitz-TR but that's just a feature. [09:03] schestowitz-TR *cake [09:04] Techrights-sec ack [09:05] Techrights-sec It still does not explain why the FSF has been so low key about its Vista11 [09:05] Techrights-sec campaign. [09:08] schestowitz-TR it does not [09:08] schestowitz-TR but I think they might be understaffed or wrongly staffed [09:08] schestowitz-TR some tasks were only known to few insiders [09:08] schestowitz-TR the gaps were filled by "young blood" [09:08] schestowitz-TR also, as an aside, one could joke about the trolls being like siggi from iceland [09:08] schestowitz-TR re trhe agenda [09:08] schestowitz-TR MS peter was the media operative pushing for Microsoft's takeover of git [09:08] schestowitz-TR and another priority was 'secure' boot [09:08] schestowitz-TR and sooner or later you identity the priorities [09:08] schestowitz-TR and who is the liar du jour [09:08] schestowitz-TR and what they have on them [09:08] schestowitz-TR like tranphobes-turned-'SJW' [09:08] schestowitz-TR now in 'damage control' mode [09:08] schestowitz-TR even in IRC [09:10] schestowitz-TR btw, the excuse that "he changed his mind" is BS [09:10] schestowitz-TR or that "20 years ago everyone was like that" [09:10] schestowitz-TR totally false [09:10] schestowitz-TR the difference is the self-censorship [09:10] schestowitz-TR I worked closely with trans 20 years ago [09:10] schestowitz-TR and saw how silence was the policy [09:10] schestowitz-TR like "don't ask, don't tell" [09:10] schestowitz-TR anyway, bringing up the isms is a two-edged sword [09:10] schestowitz-TR and helps get back on the real topics [09:11] Techrights-sec Yes, they exploit scum like that. Same for incompetents. They can hold it over [09:11] Techrights-sec them and the tools know that they can be exposed if they don't obey. [09:17] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [09:17] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [09:18] schestowitz-TR the site in question is now blocked [09:18] schestowitz-TR rt and sputnik were, at some point, blocked [09:18] schestowitz-TR i only noticed about a week ago, as pointed out in irc [09:18] schestowitz-TR I don't suppose our own autocrats realise the threat which is double standards [09:18] schestowitz-TR for moral high ground [09:18] schestowitz-TR this will later be exploited to show hypocriy [09:18] schestowitz-TR there are better ways to handle lies [09:18] schestowitz-TR apropos, the latest video from john campbell is RIDIIIICULOUS... [09:18] schestowitz-TR like 70% of the video is just him going through Gulag's guidelines [09:18] schestowitz-TR to ensure the video does not get censored and the channel as a whole taken downa [09:18] schestowitz-TR apparently they did this to russell brand [09:18] schestowitz-TR I've not been keeping up but rianne has [09:18] schestowitz-TR she says he really disliked bill gates [09:18] schestowitz-TR remember gates pays youtube to put his greeenwashinf ads [09:18] schestowitz-TR they bombarded rianne with those, she said he sounded like a mice [09:18] schestowitz-TR pre-roll, iirc skippable after some seconds [09:18] schestowitz-TR of watchiong the 'oracle' who looks after us and saves the planet [09:19] schestowitz-TR anyway, I link to the campbell video in irc [09:19] schestowitz-TR but he wastes all the time being paranoid and reading and complimenting censorship rules [09:19] schestowitz-TR and cannot ever question davos WEF or WHO or... [09:19] schestowitz-TR because that would get him deploatformed [09:19] schestowitz-TR I told rianne, they already decided he must be banned [09:19] schestowitz-TR now they're just stalking anf 'hunting' for the trigger/justificationb [09:19] schestowitz-TR he really pisses off the BillBC, which saw it fit to 'debunk' him and discourage people from watching his videos (which say the same as I always did) [09:19] schestowitz-TR typo: I meant the site is NOT blocked, not "now" [09:20] MinceR 05 072243 < Techrights-sec> I would suspect that there are a lot of ways to modify a cracked system [09:20] MinceR 05 072243 < Techrights-sec> to ensure it won't ever boot again, and those modifications are equally [09:20] MinceR uefi makes this easy [09:20] schestowitz-TR I have meanwhile noticed a considerable decrease in Twitter audience [09:21] schestowitz-TR which means far fewer active accounts [09:21] MinceR though it's probably specific to the mainboard manufacturer at least [09:21] schestowitz-TR I judge this based on 951k tweets I posted [09:21] schestowitz-TR one upside of leaving twitter (but not the reason for it) [09:21] schestowitz-TR the likelihood of deplatforming my account there is slim to none [09:21] MinceR there are systems that have trouble booting from removable devices at all [09:22] schestowitz-TR wow, now nice [09:22] schestowitz-TR "secure" [09:22] schestowitz-TR "safe space" [09:22] schestowitz-TR "community guidelines" [09:23] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [09:23] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@22agg6qj8dxhg.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [09:23] Techrights-sec The ads in YouTube are unskippable nowadays [09:25] schestowitz-TR wait, I think it's trickier than this [09:25] schestowitz-TR ime, some videos have TWO videos prior to playback [09:25] schestowitz-TR depending on content/channel [09:25] schestowitz-TR one can be skipped/after 5 secs [09:25] schestowitz-TR the other might not be skippable [09:25] schestowitz-TR I have a "mute" button on the keyboard [09:25] schestowitz-TR and virtual desktops [09:25] schestowitz-TR so I can 'skip' that [09:25] schestowitz-TR librewolf, IIRC, compltely eliminates those ads [09:25] schestowitz-TR but I only use invidious these days [09:25] schestowitz-TR unless I accedentally open the GulagB00B(Tube) [09:25] Techrights-sec Yes most have two ads first and some in the middle and then more at the end [09:25] Techrights-sec No, not often. Both ads preceding a video are unskippable, but it may vary [09:25] Techrights-sec from region to region or so I have read. [09:27] schestowitz-TR so let me get the Gulag proposition right: [09:27] schestowitz-TR -you are babysat for what you can say [09:27] schestowitz-TR -truth gets you banned [09:27] schestowitz-TR -users report that actions are almost NEVER overturned unless there is a MASSIVE backlash in ANOTHER platform (like twitter; you're banned i.e. persona [09:27] schestowitz-TR non grata) [09:27] schestowitz-TR -your videos are being laced with hostile propaganda (inc. Jeffrey Epstein's mate doing reputatioon laundering) [09:27] schestowitz-TR -those ads pay you NOTHING [09:28] schestowitz-TR some "deal", eh? [09:28] Techrights-sec And any video with the string "Linux" in the title is immediately demonetized [09:30] schestowitz-TR Gulag likes "Linux" only a a kickstarter [09:30] schestowitz-TR for search [09:30] schestowitz-TR clown [09:30] schestowitz-TR android [09:30] schestowitz-TR but hates the licence [09:30] schestowitz-TR Gulag is not Brin anymore [09:30] schestowitz-TR and Linux has long not been named in front page of Google.com [09:31] schestowitz-TR 1990s Google: a bunch of improvised GNU/Linux machiens, cobbled together to make indexing and rating [09:31] schestowitz-TR a Web interface with logo made in GIMP script-fu (I think Brin made that) [09:31] schestowitz-TR and a button for "Linux" [09:31] schestowitz-TR which is why he and Larry Page made Google, at least in part [09:31] schestowitz-TR they needed to know how to work with an OS that actually works [09:46] schestowitz-TR tomorrow we get new nhs figures [09:46] schestowitz-TR expecting a surge [09:46] schestowitz-TR but still no discussion on the failing, low efficacy of the vaccines they want to give us more and more of [09:46] schestowitz-TR no real room for competition [09:46] schestowitz-TR then again, from a financial pov, solving the issue is not everyone's objective :/ ● Oct 05 [10:06] *starstreak has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [10:40] schestowitz-TR the observation some editors work only few days of thwe week validates in zdnet [10:40] schestowitz-TR they can go on for days with nothing [10:40] schestowitz-TR then a burst of articles [10:40] schestowitz-TR like more howtos than one author coulkd possibly research in a day (wallen) [10:40] schestowitz-TR and sjvn with "news" already 3 days old [10:40] schestowitz-TR they need to go via the editor [10:40] schestowitz-TR I suspect an editor (full time staff) is employed for 2-3 days a week, at most [10:40] schestowitz-TR this of course makes the site suckj [10:40] schestowitz-TR the news articles [sic] are way too old, rotten [10:40] schestowitz-TR and howtos come in large bursts, then stop for ages ● Oct 05 [11:38] Techrights-sec Seems plausible ● Oct 05 [12:04] Techrights-sec The bursty results sure seem to indicate that the magazines are not fully [12:04] Techrights-sec staffed and work limited hours and don't have a smoot or continuous work flow [12:06] schestowitz-TR iow, maybe sjvn covrrs the news within hours [12:06] schestowitz-TR but that won't be published until 72 hours later [12:06] schestowitz-TR I kept mocking him for being super-late [12:06] schestowitz-TR but maybe that's not his fauly [12:06] schestowitz-TR that also limits the qualioty and REACH of his REAL reporting [12:06] schestowitz-TR the puff pieces are like ads [12:06] schestowitz-TR timing/speed may not matter [12:07] Techrights-sec Well, the editors have put shitty, click-bait headlines on the articles. [12:07] Techrights-sec Usually the headlines over FOSS articles are the opposite of the content: [12:07] Techrights-sec very negative headlines over positive articles, very positive headlines over [12:07] Techrights-sec negarive articles. That much has gone on since around 20 years ago at more [12:07] Techrights-sec than just ZDNet but especially at ZDNet, even during the time when it still [12:07] Techrights-sec had lots of good articles. [12:10] schestowitz-TR PJ used to say what I also saw first hand: the authors do not write the headlines [12:10] schestowitz-TR publishers/editors do [12:10] schestowitz-TR nobody holds them accountable for it [12:10] schestowitz-TR instead they lynch the real author [12:10] schestowitz-TR I wrote some recent headlines [12:10] schestowitz-TR then the editor changes that to a QUESTION [12:10] schestowitz-TR or something negative [12:10] schestowitz-TR or clickbait... or... [12:10] schestowitz-TR I could dig through old emails to prove that [12:10] schestowitz-TR at some stage there's no point choosing a headline at all [12:10] schestowitz-TR because what you spent time writing down will be discarded anyway [12:10] Techrights-sec Correct, so the editorial staff were the first corrupted or compromised. [12:10] Techrights-sec Yes, that is my point. [12:12] Techrights-sec That it happened is well-known, but the means by which M$ gained control [12:12] Techrights-sec of the editors decades ago and has maintained control since would be [12:12] Techrights-sec useful to know. [12:13] schestowitz-TR it's like stacking the deck or panels [12:13] schestowitz-TR a la "evangelism is war" [12:13] schestowitz-TR larry dignan fired blakenhorn and maybe paula rooney too [12:13] schestowitz-TR until she left on her own [12:14] schestowitz-TR then you had shitheads like perlow (microsoft) [12:14] schestowitz-TR who was later adpted for LF 'research' (lies) [12:14] schestowitz-TR the ageist [12:14] Techrights-sec Yes, similar to stacking the panels, but would require key parts of the [12:14] Techrights-sec management of each publication to sell out [12:16] schestowitz-TR they can buy a lot of "ads" [12:16] schestowitz-TR in exchange for something [12:16] schestowitz-TR conditions [12:16] schestowitz-TR ars technica "UK" was established partly by Microsot [12:16] schestowitz-TR lateer it collapses [12:16] schestowitz-TR *sed [12:16] schestowitz-TR but the beancounter can see that money which came from Microsoft [12:16] schestowitz-TR so could t he editor (Seb), who told me about this when challenged [12:16] schestowitz-TR they did lots of MSFT puff piece [12:16] schestowitz-TR and though it was OK cause Microsoft was funding them [12:16] schestowitz-TR back then they employed a british pedo, ms peter [12:16] schestowitz-TR his articles (not really his) would later get 'planted' in wikipedia [12:16] schestowitz-TR which W-E is editing for Microsoft [12:16] schestowitz-TR Shaw, Microsoift's PR chief, came from W-E [12:16] schestowitz-TR that's also where Ballmer's wife, Connie, comes from [12:25] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [12:30] schestowitz-TR we have no [to [12:30] schestowitz-TR [topic] atm [12:30] schestowitz-TR not even epo [12:30] schestowitz-TR I messed around with bookmarks, found no _good_ ideas [12:30] schestowitz-TR the github material needs to wait a bit [12:33] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 05 [13:03] Techrights-sec possible topic: [13:03] Techrights-sec http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-031022.html#tOct%2003%2010:24:37 [13:03] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, October 03, 2022 [13:03] Techrights-sec the vote says a lot about the internal politics and priorities and misprioritization [13:04] schestowitz-TR yes, that is a good [topic] [13:08] schestowitz-TR plan is, go through all the articles about the outcome [13:08] schestowitz-TR it's in TM [13:08] schestowitz-TR then discuss my experiences [13:08] schestowitz-TR and then the impact on SF [13:20] schestowitz-TR maybe also a discussion about gnu/linux becoming widepsread [13:20] schestowitz-TR leads to many compromises andpromotion of people who simple don't gasp FS [13:20] schestowitz-TR or don't care [13:20] schestowitz-TR which was long predicted or inevitable [13:20] Techrights-sec yes [13:23] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@h635kpe3hju7k.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [13:23] schestowitz-TR "Content consumption implies an economical transaction. Consumers give some currency token to the distributor (which, most of the time, is not the creator). Historically, that currency was fiat money but, nowadays, new kinds of token have appeared :likes, retweets, comments and even "clicks"" gemini://rawtext.club/~ploum/2022-10-05-there-is-no-content-on-gemini.gmi [13:50] *starstreak (~starstreak@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [13:50] *starstreak has quit (connection closed) [13:54] *starstreak (~starstreak@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 05 [15:05] schestowitz-TR OTA [15:05] schestowitz-TR ok done [15:37] Techrights-sec ack [15:40] schestowitz-TR the video did not go too well [15:40] schestowitz-TR distract by chirping from the kitchen [15:40] schestowitz-TR but the text is always more important [15:40] schestowitz-TR draft [15:40] schestowitz-TR videos are often a ramble or information streams of consciousness BEFORE organising it in written form [15:40] schestowitz-TR copehagen fc is playing across the road from us tonight, should be very easy game [15:40] schestowitz-TR the video did mention in passing that it seems zdnet is grossly understaffed [15:40] schestowitz-TR but I forgot to bring up many points due to lack of a script [15:40] schestowitz-TR so the text is a bit more complete [15:44] Techrights-sec checking [15:46] schestowitz-TR adding a final para quoting rms using your transcript of it [15:46] schestowitz-TR my videos can suck and articles are rushed, but striving to perfection means you're never happy, just lacking time [15:46] schestowitz-TR on the www, you don't compete for pages in a book [15:46] schestowitz-TR as for use of time (others'), that's a legit concern [15:47] Techrights-sec more important even than the bad treatment of volunteers is the lack of [15:47] Techrights-sec commitment to freedom. if derivatives want to modify the base, including by adding proprietary crap, then that's on them. the upstream should strive to st [15:47] Techrights-sec ay [15:47] Techrights-sec clean. however, the bad treatment of the volunteers might demostrate a pattern [15:47] Techrights-sec matching that lack of committment to software freedom [15:47] schestowitz-TR I will add this view, hang on [15:49] schestowitz-TR added figosdev quote from irc too [15:49] schestowitz-TR video still processing btw ● Oct 05 [16:01] Techrights-sec otr: what I was trying to say is that the bad treatment of the volunteers [16:01] Techrights-sec otr: might be because of those specific volunteers' commitment to software [16:01] Techrights-sec otr: freedom [16:08] schestowitz-TR done [16:08] schestowitz-TR rule: read headline 5+ times to be certain no typos there, no ambiguity/bait [16:08] schestowitz-TR summart 2-3 times [16:08] schestowitz-TR body: write once, check once [16:08] schestowitz-TR video: spontaneous [16:08] schestowitz-TR almost everyone reads the headline [16:08] schestowitz-TR not many go beyond that [16:08] schestowitz-TR need more topics now :-) [16:16] schestowitz-TR --- [16:16] schestowitz-TR a video about fascism would have little in terms of tech angle unless it's about how social control media handles these words and terms [16:16] schestowitz-TR and helped associate antifa with things it is now [16:16] schestowitz-TR *not [16:16] schestowitz-TR the matter is very good topic, we covered it in TR at the time [16:16] schestowitz-TR I'm more interested in "what happened" to cryptome if you can figure that out because I've not heard from or abotu them in years [16:16] schestowitz-TR iirc, it was not too clear who ran it and they were like wikileaks sans the "Dark PR" campaign [16:16] schestowitz-TR schneier has not muich value proposition either anymore [16:16] schestowitz-TR he was OK in trhe "golden era" of secrity-related leaks [16:16] schestowitz-TR now he's a conde nast parrot who links to US gov. sites as if they always tell the full truth [16:16] schestowitz-TR and in general he barely writes any new essays [16:16] schestowitz-TR he says, [16:17] schestowitz-TR x years ago I wrote about y [16:18] schestowitz-TR I'm gonna d'umpseter-dive' my rss feeds and see if more ideas come up [16:18] schestowitz-TR the fate of cryptome would be a unique and ibteresting topis, i think [16:18] schestowitz-TR maybe it's still around, but not old form [16:25] schestowitz-TR Microsoft Canonical is 'upselling' Debian https://siliconangle.com/2022/10/05/canonical-announces-free-ubuntu-pro-subscriptions-five-workstations-servers/ [16:25] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Canonical announces free Ubuntu Pro subscriptions for up to five workstations or servers - SiliconANGLE [16:25] schestowitz-TR saying *it like boycott ubuntu would be setting the bar too high [16:25] schestowitz-TR because if on that basis one was to boycoyy the distro [16:25] schestowitz-TR mnay others too would be worthy of the same treatment [16:25] schestowitz-TR I hope that Canonical is at least paying attention to the backlash [16:25] schestowitz-TR and consider different policies [16:25] schestowitz-TR they seem to have diversified with "GAFAM" a bit [16:25] schestowitz-TR not also A and G, not just M [16:25] schestowitz-TR the problem is still, [16:25] schestowitz-TR british firm working with very dodgy firms [16:25] schestowitz-TR and instead of marrying microsoft [16:25] schestowitz-TR it does a mozilla [16:25] schestowitz-TR a foursome of surveillance cpmpanies [16:25] schestowitz-TR but no single point of failure [16:25] schestowitz-TR they not advertise hosting the deskop under aws [16:25] schestowitz-TR far worse than scopes spywar [16:32] Techrights-sec Canonical seems to ignore pushback, recall their response to infecting their [16:32] Techrights-sec project with Mono-boosters was to double down. Then they hired Microsofters, [16:32] Techrights-sec then they put some in top staff positions. Bacon was part of that, if he [16:32] Techrights-sec had any interest in reading the community, rather than pusbing mandates from [16:32] Techrights-sec on high, he would have noticed that all three moves were strongly opposed. [16:32] Techrights-sec He did not interact with the community, just made decrees. [16:32] Techrights-sec Yes, exactly, his task was not to collaborate with but to silence the community. [16:32] Techrights-sec I can't say that the microsoftianism was a direct goal but merely an unavoidable [16:32] Techrights-sec side effect of such misbehavior and inappropriate [16:32] schestowitz-TR the goal was not to listen [16:32] schestowitz-TR or to manage [16:32] schestowitz-TR but to silence [16:32] schestowitz-TR or to do 'british genleman' trademark enforcement against "Satanic Edition" [16:32] Techrights-sec I can't say that the microsoftianism was a direct goal but merely an unavoidable [16:32] Techrights-sec side effect of such misbehavior and inappropriate priorities [16:36] psydroid2 Microsoft tries to clone and own what's popular and works [16:37] psydroid2 they've been doing this since the very beginning [16:37] psydroid2 so no one should be surprised they did it to GNU/Linux as well [16:38] psydroid2 I wouldn't be surprised if they presented themselves as a Linux company in the future, if they haven't already been doing so for the past decade ● Oct 05 [17:05] Techrights-sec ack [17:27] schestowitz-TR regarding debian [17:27] schestowitz-TR the distruption comes from sexists and tranphobes [17:27] schestowitz-TR whop were outspoken transphobes until their dick disagreed [17:27] schestowitz-TR before they git it on with one [17:48] schestowitz-TR I've long been suspicious of the "Cambridge Group" too [17:48] schestowitz-TR slang term, made up [17:48] schestowitz-TR Cambridge does have a throving industry for stuff that uses Debian [17:48] schestowitz-TR but it's political role and connection to spy agents is no theory, it's an open secret [17:48] schestowitz-TR some people who are based there played a big role in the RMS coup [17:48] schestowitz-TR and some, not all, are close to LF and USA [17:48] schestowitz-TR they are also mutually coordinated, they have BBQ parties and such [17:48] schestowitz-TR we mentioned this or alludded to this before [17:48] schestowitz-TR other distros don't seem to have such a considerably role there [17:49] schestowitz-TR Debian is an American distro, made by someone born in germany [17:49] schestowitz-TR iirc, the third DPL was from cambridge [17:49] schestowitz-TR the first two were americans [17:57] schestowitz-TR the problem per se is not geographical proximity but social proximity [17:57] schestowitz-TR which is easily provably by photos they publish from parties [17:57] schestowitz-TR many code debian people are there [17:57] schestowitz-TR *corer [17:57] schestowitz-TR *core [17:58] psydroid2 Cambridge Massachusetts? ● Oct 05 [18:01] Techrights-sec ack [18:01] schestowitz-TR Cambridgeshire [18:02] schestowitz-TR steve mcintyre [18:02] schestowitz-TR ian [18:02] schestowitz-TR and many others [18:02] schestowitz-TR even the release manager [18:02] schestowitz-TR the ousted (from debian) are often germans [18:02] schestowitz-TR or swiss [18:03] schestowitz-TR so I think there might be a bit of a clique formign there [18:03] schestowitz-TR cliques are never good for universal, global projects [18:03] schestowitz-TR let alone for workplaces [18:03] schestowitz-TR that's why some employers shuffle workers around [18:06] *psydroid2 considers it dangerous to build critical infrastructure on top of a purportedly global operating system heavily and perhaps even primarily dependent on US developers [18:12] Techrights-sec ack [18:12] schestowitz-TR psydroid2: maybe that's why china abandons this case [18:12] schestowitz-TR kylin -> ubuntu -> debian [18:12] schestowitz-TR deepin -> debian [18:13] schestowitz-TR deepin is moving to arch, iirc [18:13] schestowitz-TR of just its own base [18:13] schestowitz-TR *or [18:13] schestowitz-TR /case/base/ [18:13] Techrights-sec ack [18:16] schestowitz-TR of note: [18:16] schestowitz-TR there was a high-profile mailing list discussion in debian [18:16] schestowitz-TR it was about how to know who's a spy inside debian [18:16] schestowitz-TR jake appelbaum brought that up before he was "deleted" [18:16] schestowitz-TR and then it was brought up again by daniel pocok and others [18:16] schestowitz-TR the answer is, you don't know [18:16] schestowitz-TR debian does not know [18:16] schestowitz-TR and people can just upload anything [18:16] schestowitz-TR there is barely peer review [18:16] schestowitz-TR a lot of blind trust [18:16] schestowitz-TR when the discussion intensified steve mcintyre SUDDENLY wrote a long post, WITHIN HOURS, about firmware polict [18:16] schestowitz-TR This was perceived to be a sudden effort to change the subject [18:17] schestowitz-TR the media then helped steve changed the subject [18:17] schestowitz-TR within a day the original subject was suppressed [18:17] schestowitz-TR but proving the correlation isn't simply [18:17] schestowitz-TR based on guit feeling [18:17] schestowitz-TR it seemed like steve had written that as a draft long beforehand [18:17] schestowitz-TR and unleashed it to change the subjecy with the media's help [18:18] Techrights-sec probably a contributing factor in his untimely end as a developer [18:18] Techrights-sec there used to be a bit of vetting in projects, now even microsofters get in [18:18] Techrights-sec canonical/ubuntu was champing at the bit to have an excuse to give microsofters [18:18] Techrights-sec MOTU access and looked to be helping accelerate the process instead of [18:18] Techrights-sec circling the wagons and fending them off [18:18] Techrights-sec likely [18:18] Techrights-sec yes, with the help of the media [18:20] schestowitz-TR so clause number x is no longer "we don't hide issue" [18:20] schestowitz-TR but [18:20] schestowitz-TR don'\t you bring up anything that can lead to doubts about our reputation/people/leadership/safety [18:20] schestowitz-TR which is basically the exact opposite [18:20] schestowitz-TR the ones at the top (if you charted the heiracrchy in debian today, it's lots of cambridge) [18:20] schestowitz-TR can say and do anything they want to the ones at the bottom [18:20] schestowitz-TR that's coc in action [18:20] schestowitz-TR they are not only exempt, they take advantage of that [18:20] schestowitz-TR same as EPO with immunity+impunity [18:22] Techrights-sec CoCs are applied asymmetrically by intent, there was never any intention [18:22] Techrights-sec to use them as advertised and pretty much everyone involved seemed to be [18:22] Techrights-sec aware. The proponents knew they could abuse it to meet their ends and the [18:22] Techrights-sec opponents knew it would be weaponized and badly abbused. [18:23] Techrights-sec for politcial ends and interfere (on purpose) with development and project [18:23] Techrights-sec control [18:23] schestowitz-TR EPO has had "Code of Conduct" for about a decade [18:23] schestowitz-TR Battistelli used that similarly [18:23] schestowitz-TR while violating his own CoC [18:28] schestowitz-TR spamnil boosting utter shit from accenture this afternoon [18:28] schestowitz-TR some "guests" [18:28] schestowitz-TR in need of 10 viewers [18:28] Techrights-sec Accenture is basically a front for M$ sales. They're expensive as hell, [18:28] Techrights-sec they're slow to produce results, and at the end of the project the deliverable [18:28] Techrights-sec barely works if it works at all, due to being built around m$ products [18:28] Techrights-sec instead of around the customer's needs. [18:29] Techrights-sec Not going to click on spamnil nor even lookup what is latest. He's a waste [18:29] Techrights-sec of time except to track how the LF is using him to degrade the brand and [18:29] Techrights-sec trademark through his antics. [18:36] schestowitz-TR I don't like, I save people the legwork by summarising what I factually observe [18:36] schestowitz-TR and it does matter, for more than the reason you mention [18:36] schestowitz-TR it also says a lot about YouTube [18:36] schestowitz-TR /s/like/link [18:36] schestowitz-TR the other observed fact is, [18:36] schestowitz-TR how they censor linux, but not a clickfraud spammer whose "views" are 95% fake [18:36] schestowitz-TR and how they censor doctors who say facts [18:36] schestowitz-TR to the point where most of their videos can be just them reading the guilines, parising them, and efending themselves [18:36] schestowitz-TR *praising [18:36] schestowitz-TR reminds me of chinese dissents on the dock [18:36] schestowitz-TR or that chinese journalist who was filmed next to another lady rolling her eyes very visibly [18:36] Techrights-sec That observation on the behavior of Google/YouTube is very important to drive [18:36] Techrights-sec home. Many mistakenly believe that they are presented with or finding on their [18:36] Techrights-sec own a representative sample of what's out there. The reality is very different [18:36] Techrights-sec and very anti-FOSS. For example, just try finding even known videos of FOSS [18:36] Techrights-sec conferences. [18:39] schestowitz-TR when I search it via invidious (Same results) the pags are truly awful [18:39] schestowitz-TR loits of hostile stuff, crap, and totally unrelated [18:39] schestowitz-TR you don't feel like the results come from people who even understand the area [18:39] schestowitz-TR but then again it is optimised to sell ads (engagement) rather than deliver relevant material [18:39] schestowitz-TR iow, it's about econopmics [18:39] schestowitz-TR if you bought brittania as a subscription [18:39] schestowitz-TR and they charged you by number of page flips, there would not be an incentive to save you time [18:39] schestowitz-TR brittanica [18:40] Techrights-sec Rather there would be a disincentive. [18:43] schestowitz-TR the reason I started tracking those videos was the defacing of linux.com using those vidoes ("shows") [18:43] schestowitz-TR which he advertises or advertised using linux.com [18:43] schestowitz-TR it's like the site got stolen to promote a fraud [18:43] schestowitz-TR and his "Sales" [18:43] schestowitz-TR then again, Sheela Mirosoft did even worse [18:43] schestowitz-TR we're dealing with sociopaths anfrauds managing the inage of the brand us geeks spent decades promoting, pro gratis [18:47] Techrights-sec "like the site got stolen to promote a fraud" -- that's it in a nutshell [18:47] schestowitz-TR linux.com is basically dead now [18:47] schestowitz-TR it was a waste of time to those too busy counting their money [18:47] schestowitz-TR and memorising speeches about thanking Microsoft [18:47] schestowitz-TR now they are overprovisioned by several factors and can lessen the hosting costs [18:47] schestowitz-TR maybe microsoft can arrange for them a VM in azure [18:50] schestowitz-TR --- [18:50] schestowitz-TR media not gets sued for 'insulting' companies that replace real (paper) voting with toys that can be remotely manipulated, even from abroad [18:50] schestowitz-TR *now gets [18:50] schestowitz-TR they also use the term "election deniers" so you know it's a pretty serious offence [18:50] schestowitz-TR likke stuffing people into ovens [18:56] psydroid2 as long as the US is the top dog in the capitalist race to the bottom they can (try to) set the rules for the rest of the world [18:56] schestowitz-TR Microsoft Windows TCO: "Confirms the FBI and CISA have no reporting to suggest cyber activity has ever prevented a registered voter from casting a ballot, compromised the integrity of any ballots cast, or affected the accuracy of voter registration information." https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ncas/current-activity/2022/10/05/fbi-and-cisa-publish-psa-malicious-cyber-activity-against-election [18:56] psydroid2 https://www.investopedia.com/insights/worlds-top-economies/ [18:56] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.cisa.gov | FBI and CISA Publish a PSA on Malicious Cyber Activity Against Election Infrastructure | CISA [18:56] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.investopedia.com | Countries by GDP: The Top 25 Economies in the World [18:57] schestowitz-TR this just in, timing a coincidence! ● Oct 05 [19:02] schestowitz-TR I think this statement is hailarious because it is issued by agencies that meddle with elections processes overseas :-) [19:02] schestowitz-TR many run WIndows [19:02] schestowitz-TR "we're resistant, don't worry!!" [19:02] schestowitz-TR also: "we respect election outcomes!!" [19:02] Techrights-sec And indirectly with domestic processes by not just tolerating but protecting [19:02] Techrights-sec m$ [19:02] schestowitz-TR https://www.npr.org/2022/09/08/1121682138/a-hacker-bought-a-voting-machine-on-ebay-michigan-officials-are-now-investigatin [19:02] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.npr.org | A hacker bought a voting machine on eBay. Michigan officials are now investigating : NPR [19:05] schestowitz-TR CIA: we especially think our diamond sponsor bill gates ;-) [19:05] schestowitz-TR *thank [19:09] Techrights-sec ack [19:11] schestowitz-TR over time, as the fascists do in fact grow in numbers (See italy and others in europe), it gets hard to maintain the perception oif election integrity, [19:11] schestowitz-TR access to ustice, free press, and success of capitalism [19:11] schestowitz-TR so we'll have more 3- and 4-letter agencies medddling to shape the narrative around obviously broken system [19:11] schestowitz-TR which in turn discreditsd them [19:11] schestowitz-TR WHO has an awful reputation since 2020 [19:11] schestowitz-TR it's perceoved to be little but a lobby/front group of corporations, like UN's WIPO [19:13] schestowitz-TR the media pushes towards outcomes [19:13] schestowitz-TR that in itself is not always sinister [19:13] schestowitz-TR but if the outcomes are chosen by clients, then it's a problem [19:13] schestowitz-TR like FB+CA for Brexit ● Oct 05 [20:01] *psydroid3 (~psydroid@h635kpe3hju7k.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [20:19] *techrights_guest|58 (~0cc9aa03@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [20:24] *techrights_guest|58 has quit (Quit: Connection closed) [20:41] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@s939t88amepxs.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 05 [21:35] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [21:35] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@s939t88amepxs.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [21:48] *starstreak has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Oct 05 [23:07] *psydroid3 has quit (connection closed) [23:10] *psydroid2 has quit (connection closed) [23:20] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.14 [SeaMonkey 2.53.14/20221003001100]) [23:23] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@mbabvaq6mnkn4.irc) has joined #boycottnovell