●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Sunday, December 05, 2021 ●● ● Dec 05 [00:14] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@f9g3zbtpuq9yg.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [00:15] *altlink_d74 has quit (connection closed) [00:15] *altlink_03f (~altlink_03f@2f7u5j6f87p9g.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [00:35] schestowitz-TR doing offsite backup of TR wordpress DB and TM Drupal DB... I still struggle to make a full file system backup due to connection speed... hope you have some file systems backups just in case. I want to be 100% covered ahead of the next EPO installments. ● Dec 05 [01:24] Techrights-sec no recent file system backups but data; I can look into the file system [01:24] Techrights-sec backups but as you point out the connection speeds are a problem with that [01:24] Techrights-sec I think it's mostly load. The way that kind of worked, last time I tried it, [01:24] Techrights-sec was to rsync the live VMs from HV several times in a row. The result is [01:24] Techrights-sec broken obviously but can kind of be repaired and then the data from the data [01:24] Techrights-sec backup imported. [01:24] Techrights-sec Requests Page [01:24] Techrights-sec [1] 423 gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/11/29/teaching-cybersecurity/ [01:24] schestowitz-TR a nerve was struck (or chord) ● Dec 05 [04:15] *DaemonFC has quit (connection closed) ● Dec 05 [06:42] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@joseon-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [06:42] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@t25x9hgy9xhrc.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Dec 05 [07:30] schestowitz-TR to avoid misunderstandings or accidents, today there are 2 other links and one manually curated ● Dec 05 [08:06] *MinceR has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [08:06] *MinceR (~mincer@bringer.of.light) has joined #boycottnovell [08:06] *irc.techrights.org sets mode +a #boycottnovell MinceR [08:23] Techrights-sec yes, dealing with some stuff here, will have more next batch [08:53] *altlink_03f has quit (connection closed) [08:53] *altlink_fa7 (~altlink_fa7@2f7u5j6f87p9g.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Dec 05 [09:04] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [09:04] *liberty_box_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [09:05] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [09:24] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 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[10:40] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@t25x9hgy9xhrc.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [10:40] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@joseon-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [10:42] *tech_exorcist has quit (connection closed) [10:42] schestowitz-TR shit is getting real in upc/epo lang, with composure being tested as they lie like there's no tomorrow [10:42] schestowitz-TR I think it's in violation of no actual law to lie and mislead like this [10:42] schestowitz-TR I have low temper [10:42] schestowitz-TR so I can respond calmly, zoobab finds that harder [10:43] *tech_exorcist (~tech_exorcist@eefnk9suiagba.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [10:59] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@kzpwqnbhz94fg.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Dec 05 [11:24] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [11:25] *tech_exorcist has quit (connection closed) [11:27] *tech_exorcist (~tech_exorcist@4gtddwxfc3mfn.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [11:53] Techrights-sec yes keeping calm is part of the necessary approach. one of the reasons they lie [11:53] Techrights-sec is so that that when critics get angry, the EPO liars can use the tone to [11:53] Techrights-sec discredit the messenger and thus the message. [11:53] schestowitz-TR absolutely, well said. I got RMS to give words of support to zoobab and we're doing our rebuttals calmly. ● Dec 05 [12:12] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@cqggrmwgu7gji.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [12:12] *liberty_box_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [12:12] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [12:13] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [12:13] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [12:13] Techrights-sec excellent [12:13] Techrights-sec in some northern European cultures, it's almost a game to bait opponents and [12:13] Techrights-sec whoever loses their temper is considered by one and all to have lost the match [12:13] Techrights-sec no matter how reasonable their position [12:36] schestowitz-TR Pieter love using humours like "yes men"... I do memes and stuff because it is faster [12:38] *rianne (~rianne@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [12:39] *liberty_box (~liberty@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [12:39] *liberty_box_ (~liberty@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [12:53] schestowitz-TR copying across whole pi /home to laptop, which in turn gets offloaded to externals [12:53] schestowitz-TR we ned to advocate for a sort of 'homelab' but in the DC sense... so that fewer companies [12:53] schestowitz-TR get to control people's data and lives [12:55] Techrights-sec yes, however the big money is pushing to make home labs, or anything outside [12:55] Techrights-sec of a big datacentre, discouraged or illegal [12:59] Techrights-sec see Mozilla's and Chromium's "warnings" about sites, as well as Netcrafts [12:59] Techrights-sec fake attempt at "risk rating" [12:59] schestowitz-TR same for "apps" (LF working on it..) [12:59] schestowitz-TR if the "apps" isn't signed by the 'babysitter' ● Dec 05 [13:00] Techrights-sec yes, I see various dickheads adopting the term "sideloading" in place of [13:00] Techrights-sec the normal term "installation" [13:01] schestowitz-TR then people in reddit mock us (yesterday) for not having a CA "approving" us... in article about cybersecxurity and fake security [13:04] Techrights-sec yes, however, while there are showing their stupidity, once the [13:04] Techrights-sec OS is upgraded it would be a simple move to placate them. Though I am lately [13:04] Techrights-sec wondering if it would not be a good idea to just forget about HTTPS for that [13:04] Techrights-sec site completely. The WWW's certificate trust model is beyond repairable and [13:04] Techrights-sec very, very, very broken. [13:08] Techrights-sec Reddit is not a useful site for the general tech audience. Their founders [13:08] Techrights-sec lied about the involvement of Swartz to gain a following at the same time [13:08] Techrights-sec Slashdot was collapsing. It's got bad owners and is mostly just a filter and [13:08] Techrights-sec vehicle for propaganda. Any signal that gets through is a subset of the [13:08] Techrights-sec approved message and there just for appearances. [13:08] Techrights-sec Reddit turns up a lot in searches but over the years I have yet to find a single [13:08] Techrights-sec interesting or useful item on Reddit. [13:08] Techrights-sec Lots or obviously wrong technical advice served up with a side helping of smugness [13:08] Techrights-sec Nice [13:09] schestowitz-TR atm I have about 120 unread items in patents category and a whole day left to catch up, so given that today was [13:09] schestowitz-TR NOT a disaster like yesterday I can spend more time, calmly, working on gemini things. [13:09] schestowitz-TR Seeing the puie charts, it would be good to increasse the % of geminispace that is gmi [13:09] Techrights-sec ack [13:35] schestowitz-TR I am very delighted to see more and more articles and even press releases, e.g. by nurses union, about patents a [13:35] schestowitz-TR nd covid-19. We need to repeat this message a lot as it helps o many fronts, puts in a helpful [13:35] schestowitz-TR light some of the overall issues associated with the patent system [13:52] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [13:52] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [13:52] *liberty_box_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [13:53] *activelow has quit (connection closed) [13:57] *activelow (~activelow@urbrennxh2mqu.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Dec 05 [14:00] *activelow has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [14:06] *liberty_box_ (~liberty@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [14:06] *liberty_box (~liberty@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [14:06] *rianne (~rianne@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [14:11] *activelow (~activelow@4wr2j48cc8cmq.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [14:38] schestowitz-TR what steps are still required to make gmi files for irc logs and then link to them? [14:54] Techrights-sec same as mentioned a few days ago [14:54] Techrights-sec whatever makes ~/gemini/irc/irc-menu.txt and /tr_text_version/* [14:54] Techrights-sec I think that is yesterday-irc.log.sh [14:54] Techrights-sec I think a second loop, with a second perl script, can be re-use parts of [14:54] Techrights-sec ./xhtml-log-to-text.pl [14:55] schestowitz-TR does that script deal with what we now have as raw text logs (daily chunks)? [14:56] schestowitz-TR gemtext is so simple that even if we made the .txt version in effect gemtext ("hash circle headlng") with links next to => I think it would be readable and not confusing to non-gemini requests ● Dec 05 [15:00] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [15:00] *liberty_box_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [15:00] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [15:01] Techrights-sec yes but it is the timing of the matter which is important, in order to avoid [15:01] Techrights-sec inorinant delays and other problems. So the script which creates the .txt [15:01] Techrights-sec needs to make .gmi at the same time. [15:01] schestowitz-TR I will have a go at it.. [15:04] Techrights-sec I've just started... [15:04] schestowitz-TR ah, ok, so it's not yet ready [15:07] Techrights-sec it'll be a bit, on the phone atm [15:15] Techrights-sec ok pushed part of it to Git, but ./text-upload.sh will probably need some [15:15] Techrights-sec modification and it's not in Git [15:15] Techrights-sec can you update ./text-upload.sh and then once the .gmi files are uploaded as [15:15] Techrights-sec part of the process, I can adjust the remining script(s) ? [15:15] schestowitz-TR it is under "Desktop-Utils" [15:17] Techrights-sec yes, but those sections are redactred [15:17] Techrights-sec ^redacted [15:18] schestowitz-TR these upload the daily bulletins and the index, not IRC. The IRC log uploads are in yesterday* (file) [15:20] schestowitz-TR I thought the requires step would be, use a different script to generate the text versions for IRC, then upload as usual as .text. Then, on the SBC, the nightly cron job would hard-link them with gmi extension [15:20] schestowitz-TR ?*Required [15:23] Techrights-sec Yes, the change was simpler that it initially looked. [15:24] schestowitz-TR thebn wev get gmi in ipfs \0/ [15:25] *rianne (~rianne@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [15:25] *liberty_box (~liberty@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [15:25] *liberty_box_ (~liberty@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [15:28] *tech_exorcist has quit (Quit: bbl) [15:29] Techrights-sec The .txt could even be removed since the Gemtext is just as legible [15:29] Techrights-sec Though that conversion script is different than the one from the other [15:29] Techrights-sec day and does not make the links hot. That can be added but the work flow [15:29] Techrights-sec is more important. [15:30] schestowitz-TR yes, eventually the txt extension can be considered obsolete, though Web browsers don't know what to do with .gmi [15:32] *tech_exorcist (~tech_exorcist@7hqhhkt9jhmyw.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [15:32] *tech_exorcist has quit (connection closed) [15:32] *tech_exorcist (~tech_exorcist@ekxkqb93kydms.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [15:34] *tech_exorcist has quit (Quit: Goodbye) [15:34] *tech_exorcist (~tech_exorcist@mai559v73p2z2.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [15:38] schestowitz http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2020/04/in-memoriam-dr-michael-factor.html?showComment=1638279083394#c3634538851998237147 [15:38] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ipkitten.blogspot.com | In memoriam: Dr. Michael Factor, blogmeister extraordinaire - The IPKat [15:38] schestowitz "Anybody know of an active link to Michael's blog? Or whether it's been taken offline? Thank you in advance." [15:38] schestowitz http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/11/obituary-professor-margaret-sophia-moy.html?showComment=1638205740882#c2856043903115841429 [15:38] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Obituary - Professor Margaret Sophia Moy Llewelyn (1962-2021) - The IPKat [15:38] schestowitz " [15:38] schestowitz I first became aware of Margaret when she was at the University of Central Lancashire and I had lead responsibility for Biotech Policy in what was then the UK Patent Office. She had telephoned to discuss how the Office saw patent law developing in the face of the challenges biotechnology was creating. As I recall in that first conversation, she tried to persuade me that the solution was to adapt patent law to follow closely the Plant Variety [15:38] schestowitz Rights System. Also during that conversation we discovered our shared connection to Aberystwyth and its university which provided a foundation for a longstanding friendship as well as frequent exchanges and meetings over many years, often involving colleagues from the Plant Variety Rights Office in Cambridge. Margaret and I did not agree on everything but she was an inspiration in our shared vision of an IP system capable of dealing with a new [15:38] schestowitz and fast moving technology. As some have already observed, Margaret was also entertaining and it was this aspect of her character that led me to invite her to one of our lunchtime sessions for visiting speakers. She was a hit with the staff of the Office and although I cannot remember much from that session, I do recall the title of her talk The Perennial Child. [15:38] schestowitz Roger Walker [15:38] schestowitz (Retired) Divisional Director [15:38] schestowitz UK Intellectual Property Office [15:38] schestowitz " [15:39] schestowitz http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/11/guest-post-flattery-or-freeloading-use.html?showComment=1638208028348#c3037300032086606821 [15:39] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ipkitten.blogspot.com | [Guest post] Flattery or freeloading? The use of look-a-likes within the context of image rights - The IPKat [15:39] schestowitz "So - why don't you post the images in question or at least links thereto? BTW, George Clooney does a feeble look-alike imitation of me - but I have let it go so far." [15:46] schestowitz-TR I think the babystep that would be least risky and disruptive is, changing the script that makes the text versions first, let that run the same way for a while (different outcome), then do one extra step each night [15:49] schestowitz-TR when I run git show it shows diffs for yesterday* [15:49] schestowitz-TR a lot of the diffs shown are non-diffs, except one line that becomes 5 lines near the end [15:58] Techrights-sec some of the lines which look unchanged had trailing white space removed [15:59] schestowitz-TR OK, so I know in which 'direction' to merge the changes [15:59] schestowitz-TR if I read the code correctly, this added another 4 files to upload every night and I'll need to add the upload commands ● Dec 05 [16:04] Techrights-sec I think so [16:04] schestowitz-TR will stay awake at that time to ensure it works ok and correct if it fails the first time around [16:13] *altlink_fa7 has quit (connection closed) [16:13] *altlink_1ab (~altlink_1ab@2f7u5j6f87p9g.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [16:40] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [16:41] *liberty_box_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [16:41] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [16:47] *rianne (~rianne@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [16:48] *liberty_box (~liberty@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [16:48] *liberty_box_ (~liberty@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [16:50] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@73van8zu8scis.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Dec 05 [17:33] schestowitz http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2021/04/21/astrazeneca-experiences/ [17:33] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com | schestowitz.com Blog Archive Message of Concern About AstraZeneca (Which Now Renames Its Products to Dodge Bad Reputation) ● Dec 05 [18:33] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [18:34] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [18:34] *liberty_box_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [18:40] *tech_exorcist has quit (connection closed) [18:40] *tech_exorcist (~tech_exorcist@a5avv33hqqukg.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [18:41] *rianne (~rianne@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [18:41] *liberty_box_ (~liberty@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [18:42] *liberty_box (~liberty@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [18:48] *tech_exorcist has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [18:48] *tech_exorcist (~tech_exorcist@tqrtt4p8kcxpw.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Dec 05 [19:29] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [19:46] Techrights-sec gemini://gemini.techrights.org/chat/ seems unresponsive, perhaps the file is [19:46] Techrights-sec too large at this particular moment? [19:48] schestowitz-TR I nolticed earlier that this is slow, I've just checked agaiun [19:48] schestowitz-TR Yes, it is still slow [19:48] schestowitz-TR buit maybe amfora hangs up at one point [19:48] schestowitz-TR like a timeout threshold [19:48] schestowitz-TR t [19:48] schestowitz-TR to me, it always gets there at the end [19:48] schestowitz-TR maybe 'too many' URLKs? [19:49] Techrights-sec yes it could be amfora, in part, the other pages are ok for now. Maybe but the [19:49] Techrights-sec other pages are ok for now, but I'm not sure the size cutoff for Gemini [19:49] Techrights-sec ABove a certain size it chokes [19:49] schestowitz-TR maybe tc? [19:51] Techrights-sec probably not any more, the same tc works ok on a test system here and once [19:51] Techrights-sec the connection is made, things go fine, also the other pages are ok in agate [19:52] Techrights-sec about 270kB at the moment [19:52] Techrights-sec over 2600 lines [19:55] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [19:55] *liberty_box_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [19:55] schestowitz-TR mind you, i still rsync the whole pi (for many hours no), but I doubt is has impact compared to ipfs [19:55] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [19:55] Techrights-sec That might be it, that is disk-intensive. I get the feeling that the problem [19:55] Techrights-sec is not with CPU or network but with disk access. IPFS hogs the network but [19:55] Techrights-sec that should not be problem with the new tc rules [19:58] *rianne (~rianne@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [19:58] schestowitz 122,126c114 [19:58] schestowitz < if($opt{'g'}) { [19:59] schestowitz < push(@result, qq(\n## $day\n)); [19:59] schestowitz < } else { [19:59] *liberty_box (~liberty@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [19:59] schestowitz < push(@result, qq(\n $day\n)); [19:59] schestowitz < } [19:59] schestowitz --- [19:59] schestowitz > push(@result, qq(\n $day\n)); [19:59] schestowitz roy@vonick:~/Git/IRC$ cp ~/xhtml-log-to-text.pl ~/xhtml-log-to-text.pl.old [19:59] schestowitz roy@vonick:~/Git/IRC$ cp xhtml-log-to-text.pl ~/xhtml-log-to-text.pl ● Dec 05 [20:00] *liberty_box_ (~liberty@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [20:04] schestowitz-TR have merged in your changed to yesterday* [20:04] schestowitz-TR will not add the upload just yet, it'll upload only the usual objects at this stage, the next night I will uplol [20:04] schestowitz-TR upload these too after doing a sanity check on the output file [20:06] schestowitz-TR from the diffs it looks like this file does not yet incocporate the URL expander that mkes clickable gemini link [20:06] schestowitz-TR s [20:06] schestowitz-TR unlike irc-log-to-gemyexy.pl [20:07] Techrights-sec ack [20:07] Techrights-sec not yet [20:07] Techrights-sec the tricky part here is the work flow and uploads, I;d like to make sure [20:07] Techrights-sec that is ok first. We can see tomorrow about that and then afterwards [20:07] Techrights-sec add the links for the next day's batch. [20:08] schestowitz-TR good, that reduces the complexity and avoids creating broken pipeline; I had a nap just now, so can stay up to check and correct things in case the script 'craps out' [20:08] Techrights-sec It'll be just a few lines near the end of the script. [20:08] Techrights-sec excellent [20:14] schestowitz > Hope you're very well, [20:14] schestowitz > [20:14] schestowitz > For those interested in computer security, this week I've written [20:14] schestowitz > about why it's so hard to teach: [20:14] schestowitz > [20:14] schestowitz > http://techrights.org/2021/11/29/teaching-cybersecurity/ [20:14] schestowitz This article has not been accessed about 8,000 times. [20:14] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Dr. Andy Farnell on Teaching Cybersecurity in an Age of Fake Security | Techrights [20:14] schestowitz That's good. Not even counting Gemini. [20:14] schestowitz If you have more articles, let me know. I'll be delighted to run them. 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