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schestowitz"Guest Post: Finer Details About Rick Allen Jones, Bill Gates Employee Arrested for Trade of Child Exploitation Footage | Techrights.  And after seeing this we shall listen what Gates has to say?"Aug 06 02:22
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-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@hikudev: “IBM is trying to stuff its own nonsense that isn’t making money into Red Hat products,” Ryan continued. “I guess t… https://t.co/gepzmNjJpNAug 06 02:23
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@hikudev: “IBM is trying to stuff its own nonsense that isn’t making money into Red Hat products,” Ryan continued. “I guess t… https://t.co/gepzmNjJpNAug 06 02:23
schestowitz"“IBM is trying to stuff its own nonsense that isn’t making money into Red Hat products,” Ryan continued. “I guess the logic is that if they can shove it into a Red Hat product people are buying, they can say it’s “value added” and justify it.”"Aug 06 02:23
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-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@hikudev: "Other comments suggest that IBM is gutting Red Hat of anything it doesn’t expect to immediately turn a huge profit… https://t.co/AEoB7kmvxtAug 06 02:23
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@hikudev: "Other comments suggest that IBM is gutting Red Hat of anything it doesn’t expect to immediately turn a huge profit… https://t.co/AEoB7kmvxtAug 06 02:23
schestowitz""Other comments suggest that IBM is gutting Red Hat of anything it doesn’t expect to immediately turn a huge profit. Firing engineers without seeing if they could even be tasked elsewhere.""Aug 06 02:23
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-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@feed_md: IBM Is Already Gutting Red Hat and Firing Employees Without Warning https://t.co/fSpGXmtxc9Aug 06 02:23
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-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@hackernews100: IBM Is Already Gutting Red Hat and Firing Employees Without Warning https://t.co/Ag2Ite4FndAug 06 02:23
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schestowitzA giant corporation buys a Silicon Valley company, the result is generally carnage. The old-boy marketing-driven process-heavy big company will roll out decisions like a bowling ball careening across a cafeteria, knocking over tables and chairs and sending people running for cover.Aug 06 02:24
schestowitzSince big companies are driven by managers not engineers, and the managers are always, always from the bigger company, the decisions are perceived as clueless. They are generally about optimizing or cannibalizing the small-company product for fit with the big company product space. With superficial understanding of the product itself, generally confined to marketing descriptions.Aug 06 02:24
schestowitzThus, carnage. Been through it twice.Aug 06 02:24
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schestowitz> A giant corporation buys a Silicon Valley companyAug 06 02:24
schestowitzI don't know what you mean by 'giant corporation' and 'Silicon Valley company' - do you think these groups are distinct?Aug 06 02:24
schestowitzRedHat isn't a 'Silicon Valley company' as far as I know. It's from the east coast - North Carolina isn't it? The Carolinas seem as far as you can get from Silicon Valley, culturally and geographically.Aug 06 02:24
schestowitzAnd many Silicon Valley companies are traditional giant corporations - Oracle, Intel, etc.Aug 06 02:24
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schestowitzNorth Carolina in general is spectrum opposite from Silicon Valley save a few islands of prosperity such as the so called triangle of which Raleigh, where red hat was based, is a corner.Aug 06 02:25
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schestowitzYeah, doesn't make sense to compare SV to "the Carolinas" any more than it makes sense to compare the research triangle in NC to "California". Both states contain proverbial multitudes.Aug 06 02:25
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schestowitz> The Carolinas seem as far as you can get from Silicon Valley, culturallyAug 06 02:25
schestowitzWhy do you think that?Aug 06 02:25
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schestowitzThe Carolinas are very Republican. California is very Democrat. That's just one measure.Aug 06 02:25
schestowitzThey're also geographically literally the other side of the country.Aug 06 02:25
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schestowitzI was referring specifically to the "culturally" part. The geographic difference between Silicon Valley and North Carolina is indisputable, but I'm curious about your take on the culture. I see a lot of similarities between Republicans and Silicon Valley entrepreneurs, e.g. anti-regulation stances, anti-labor stances, etc.Aug 06 02:25
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schestowitz> I see a lot of similarities between Republicans and Silicon Valley entrepreneurs, e.g. anti-regulation stances, anti-labor stances, etc.Aug 06 02:25
schestowitzI don't know any companies, anywhere in the world, that compensate, pamper, and accomodate their labor as much as Silicon Valley.Aug 06 02:25
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schestowitzWhat about the company known as Finance? Or Medicine?Aug 06 02:25
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schestowitzMy peers in finance are expected to be at their desks in the city twelve hours a day wearing a suit, and they earn a basic salary for it.Aug 06 02:25
schestowitzMy peers in medicine work 24-hour shifts and earn a quarter of what they do in Silicon Valley and the only catering they get is a dirty microwave.Aug 06 02:26
schestowitzPeople in Silicon Valley are driven to work, work eight hours, get three catered meals, and take home more money.Aug 06 02:26
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schestowitzAh, yes, the people that make Apple's iPhones are very pampered.Aug 06 02:26
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schestowitzThat's an argument reducing to absurdity. Every company has an long chain of transitive contractors, and for every company you can work all your way down to the poorest person on Earth, so it's meaningless.Aug 06 02:26
schestowitzI could similarly blame you for the labor conditions of these people - you paid Apple or whoever to make your phone so are you responsible for their conditions?Aug 06 02:26
schestowitzThe people that Apple employs are extraordinarily well treated and compensated, and that's a credit to Apple and their labor relations.Aug 06 02:26
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schestowitz> you paid Apple or whoever to make your phone so are you responsible for their conditions?Aug 06 02:26
schestowitzYes, absolutely, to some degree — do you think I'm not? Even if you don't think so, do you think Apple isn't to some degree responsible for the working conditions of nearly a million employees within the company that it knowingly contracts out to to produce about 200 million iPhones a year?Aug 06 02:26
schestowitzFollow up question: Which American political party do you think would be more likely to condone the above practice, Democrats or Republicans?Aug 06 02:26
schestowitzBasically I'm trying to figure out why you think there's a big cultural difference between Silicon Valley (50 square miles) and "The Carolinas" (85,839 square miles) and why that's meaningful to the wider discussion. Your original comment perplexed me as someone who is familiar with both regions. I agree that they are dissimilar but I definitely don't think they are "as far as you can get ... culturally." Happy to get back to that Aug 06 02:26
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schestowitz> Happy to get back to that original subject if you are.Aug 06 02:26
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schestowitz- RedHat has nothing to do with Silicon Valley - geographically nor culturallyAug 06 02:26
schestowitz- RedHat isn't representative of typical Silicon Valley companiesAug 06 02:26
schestowitz- IBM is more of a 'Silicon Valley' company than Red Hat, because it's an old traditional government contractorAug 06 02:26
schestowitzTherefore the original comment had it backwards, which is confusing.Aug 06 02:26
schestowitzIf you mean 'liberal young open-source company' then say that! Because that absolutely isn't what 'Silicon Valley' means.Aug 06 02:26
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schestowitz> If you mean 'liberal young open-source company' then say thatAug 06 02:26
schestowitzNo. Most people are perfectly capable of understanding informal, non-literal definitions of words. And I see no need reason to bow down and change easy to understand phases, that nobody is confused about, in order to satisfy people who would basically have to have some sort of extremely hard to overcome language barriers or disorder such that they are not able to understand very common things that people say.Aug 06 02:26
schestowitzIf someone claims to not understand what someone means, when they use informal, but common, words such as "silicon valley company", then it is very likely that this person either has some language problems (IE, they are just learning English as a 2nd language), or has some sort very serious autistic disorder such that they are unable to understand non literal definitions because of their mental disorder, or they are instead just Aug 06 02:27
schestowitzbeing a troll.Aug 06 02:27
schestowitzAnd none of these reasons are a good enough reason for people to completely change how they talk in every day life, all the time, when they are not dealing with such individuals.Aug 06 02:27
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schestowitzJoeAltmaier 5 hours ago [–]Aug 06 02:27
schestowitzSo, we don't think the linux community and companies are much different from century-old business-process company with 1/3 million employees? Is this really a question, or just pedantry?Aug 06 02:27
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schestowitzYeah, but 'Silicon Valley' isn't the term to use for that. I don't know why you think it would be?Aug 06 02:27
schestowitzSilicon Valley is also huge old companies built with massive defence contracts. If you think Silicon Valley is mostly small startups you're mistaken.Aug 06 02:27
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schestowitzI use management focused vs technology focused when talking about this distinction. For me it boils down to is the organization more concerned about choices in regards to process/organizational structures or technology.Aug 06 02:27
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schestowitzThat's technically true, but it doesn't do anything to advance the discussion of the issues the article raises. In particular, I really doubt that anyone who read the article was mislead by its use of the technically incorrect term "Silicon Valley."Aug 06 02:27
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schestowitzI think that the most people reading that comment understand that this that is shorthand for "startupy tech company".Aug 06 02:27
schestowitzWhen people refer to silicon valley, it is partially a reference to a place, but also partial a reference to simply culture.Aug 06 02:27
schestowitzMost people understand this, and quibbling over the exact physical location is just valueless pedantry, when the meaning was fully understandable.Aug 06 02:27
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schestowitzI find connection redhat has with the Linux community about the same as Intel's since at least as far back as 2008. I also know people who were as likely to get jobs at redhat as and of the other big Corp techs, I.e. Dell, Cisco. Is there really something distinct about red hat beyond the trademark and distant memories?Aug 06 02:27
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schestowitzI have yet to be in a buyout where I didn't end up feeling like livestock. The sale is good for people owning enough stock so that the only reason they show up tomorrow is because the new owners put conditions on the sale.Aug 06 02:28
schestowitzFor everyone else it's not good news. Even the hope that they will fix things that have been bothering you? Those will all be open for debate. As will all of the things you've already gotten resolved. You'll be lucky if they fix as many things as they break.Aug 06 02:28
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schestowitz>Since big companies are driven by managers not engineers, and the managers are always, always from the bigger company, the decisions are perceived as clueless.Aug 06 02:28
schestowitzNot only that. If they had a clue they wouldn't have needed to acquire the company in the first place.Aug 06 02:28
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schestowitzRhysU 1 hour ago [–]Aug 06 02:28
schestowitzLouis V. Gerstner, Jr. was IBM CEO when Red Hat was founded in 1993 (plus or minus 6 months because I am lazy and I don't want to look up specific dates). Having a clue and having a time machine are very different things.Aug 06 02:28
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schestowitzI agree about the carnage part, but it happens regardless of the type of companies involved. There's a push to not have duplicate functions, products, etc. And people making decisions without having all the information.Aug 06 02:28
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schestowitz> A giant corporation buys a Silicon Valley companyAug 06 02:28
schestowitzRedhat is not a Silicon Valley company.Aug 06 02:28
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schestowitzI think they're referring to "Silicon Valley" in the cultural sense, not the geographic one.Aug 06 02:28
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schestowitzDisclosure: I worked at Red Hat from 1998 until 2004Aug 06 02:28
schestowitzI never experienced a "Silicon Valley" culture at Red Hat, not pre-IPO as a scrappy startup, or post-IPO as a growing company. Red Hat these days is an enterprise software company, and I think it retains a unique culture that I'm (mostly) proud to have been a part of cultivating in the early days even as a division of IBM today.Aug 06 02:28
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schestowitzBut what does that even mean?Aug 06 02:28
schestowitzOracle is a traditional Silicon Valley company. But presumably that's not what they mean either?Aug 06 02:29
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schestowitzEnough with the digressions! An open-source-foundational company with roots in the microcomputer revolution, vs IBM? Is there anybody who doesn't see the difference?Aug 06 02:29
schestowitzAnd no, IBM did not invent the microcomputer revolution - far, far from it. They put out an expensive iron boat anchor using other people's chips and designs that saddled the industry with obsolete choices for a decade. Just like you'd expect from a giant corporation.Aug 06 02:29
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schestowitz> An open-source-foundational companyAug 06 02:29
schestowitzWell that ain't Silicon Valley! You're taking an extremely modern view and projecting it back! Silicon Valley was historically defence silicon and CIA contracts!Aug 06 02:29
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schestowitz> Well that ain't Silicon Valley!Aug 06 02:29
schestowitzIt absolutely is in the culture sense in which most people understand what that means, and how that those words are often used.Aug 06 02:29
schestowitzWords are not always used to refer to their literal dictionary definition. Instead, words can have multiple meanings, and people can use them to refer to coloquial definitions.Aug 06 02:29
schestowitzThis is a common way of talking about these types of companies. I can't really help someone if they aren't able to understand the idea that words don't always refer to their literal definition.Aug 06 02:29
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schestowitz> roots in the microcomputer revolution, vs IBMAug 06 02:29
schestowitzYou mean the IBM that invented the PC? The distinction you're trying to make here is far from clear.Aug 06 02:29
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schestowitzThe personal computer was not invented by IBM:Aug 06 02:29
schestowitzhttps://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2011/06/did-ibm-invent-t...Aug 06 02:29
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-arstechnica.com | Who invented the personal computer? (hint: not IBM) | Ars TechnicaAug 06 02:29
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schestowitzYeah, I was around, there were others before the PC, but it was the one named as such that sold millions and popularized the term. There's no point to being pedantic and bitter about it.Aug 06 02:29
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schestowitzI'm just pointing out the truth, no bitterness intended.Aug 06 02:30
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schestowitzYou tryin' to say open source? Just say that. You created the digression.Aug 06 02:30
schestowitzYou: Oh you got a pet! Is it a dog or an apple?Aug 06 02:30
schestowitzHim: Apples aren't really house pets.Aug 06 02:30
schestowitzYou: Oh brother, are you going to pretend nobody knows the difference between dogs & cats?Aug 06 02:30
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schestowitzThat's an interesting thing to think about. Are they really like silicon valley companies? I wonder if north carolina culture is actually the same.Aug 06 02:30
schestowitzand IBM... hmmm...Aug 06 02:30
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schestowitzThe only IBM people that I have worked with had their office in North Carolina.Aug 06 02:30
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schestowitz"driven by managers not engineers"Aug 06 02:30
schestowitzYeah, uh to assume that Engineers have some special managerial ability that 'managers' do not is the wrong take.Aug 06 02:30
schestowitzManagement is management. Some good, some bad.Aug 06 02:30
schestowitzWe can be cynical, but without knowing the details of these layoffs, we shouldn't assume anything.Aug 06 02:30
schestowitzOne of the advantages of M&A is ostensible synergy across many groups, for example, RedHat is unlikely going to need maintainers of its HR Portal, which will likely be rolled into the one from HQ. And probably some execs will be without jobs.Aug 06 02:30
schestowitzIt's possible that the layoff was in the works otherwise, or that they were literally made at the recommendation of outgoing people who were unable/unwilling to do a re-structure at the time.Aug 06 02:30
schestowitzRight from the article: "The tricky thing is, IBM and Red Hat both have NC-based operations and a rather large number of workers there. It’s somewhat of a business hub. But we also know that IBM does not need two HR departments, two marketing departments, etc. Managers are sort of converging in duties, conflicting in terms of roles, overlapping in the workflow sense and so on."Aug 06 02:30
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schestowitz> old-boy marketing-driven process-heavy big companyAug 06 02:30
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schestowitzThe article is purely speculation based on the anecdotal evidence of one IBM acquisition "victim", someone who has been an IBM insider from what seems like pre-acquisition.Aug 06 02:31
schestowitzThe rest are smears on the direction of Fedora for changing their default filesystem on their workstation variant, for developing (not replacing anything with) Silverblue - an "immutable OS".Aug 06 02:31
schestowitzThe claim that the Btrfs push came from Facebook is ridiculous. I know Fedora some community infra engineers and leaders personally. The Facebook developers were there in their capacity as Btrfs contributors to speak about its stability. They did use their @fb.com email unlike what the article suggests. Not that that matters.Aug 06 02:31
schestowitzHere's the whole mailing list archive for that discussion: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fe...Aug 06 02:31
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schestowitzDisclaimer: I work at Redhat as a Software Engineer, and what I write here represents only my perceptions.Aug 06 02:31
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schestowitzzxcvbn4038 6 hours ago [–]Aug 06 02:31
schestowitzUnless you are in research and have a significant portfolio this is what you can expect from IBM. They are notorious for letting people go under dubious circumstances or telling people to relocate to a third world country and work for local wages. I worked for them on three different occasions in three different parts of the countries and it was always a really toxic environment and it didn't end well for everyone I've known from Aug 06 02:31
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schestowitzThe last time this was posted it was quickly flagged into oblivion for being a highly unreliable source: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24049672Aug 06 02:31
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schestowitzI really wish people wouldn't pay attention to anything coming from this "source". IBM _is_ indeed a terrible employer, but anything from this joke of a web site isn't to be taken seriously. Look at the history - it's all "X stole my giant ball of aluminum foil" written in quasi-English.Aug 06 02:31
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schestowitznot just IBM, but the link to the microsoft layoffs is kind of mind blowing: http://techrights.org/2020/08/02/microsoft-layoffs-secrecy/Aug 06 02:31
schestowitz>“Microsoft rarely, if ever, allows anyone working there to reach 55 and have their pension become vested.”Aug 06 02:31
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schestowitz>“Microsoft was twice as likely to lay you off if you were over 40.”Aug 06 02:31
schestowitz>“Cortana is an analytics and telemetry app that data mines people while pretending to be a digital assistant,”Aug 06 02:31
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schestowitzWhat pension? I don’t think that’s a common US benefit. https://careers.microsoft.com/us/en/usbenefitsAug 06 02:31
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schestowitzPensions used to be common in the US, IBM is from that era, but if you entered the workforce in the late 70s or early 80s then you probably missed that boat although the US stock market has benefited enormously since that time from all that money being put into securities backed retirement funds.Aug 06 02:32
schestowitzFinancial services companies play the same game - bonuses get paid first couple months of the year so around Christmas they cut as many people as they can. Real jerk move but not as bad as working someplace thirty years and then losing your retirement three months before.Aug 06 02:32
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schestowitzI think many companies have moved from pensions to 401k over the last couple decades, but people who came into the company during the pension regime typically retain their pensions. Someone who is approaching 55 could well have a legacy pension.Aug 06 02:32
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schestowitz401K I think is what we consider to be retirement funding.Aug 06 02:32
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schestowitzMicrosoft 401K matches vest immediately which leads me to think they may be an untrustworthy source of information.Aug 06 02:32
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schestowitzIt says in your own link - 401k, which is a type of pension.Aug 06 02:32
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schestowitzEh, technically I suppose.Aug 06 02:32
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schestowitz401ks don't have vesting though. At worst the match might be in December so people who are laid off mid-year lose half a year of matching.Aug 06 02:32
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schestowitzI had employer match with a 3 year vesting period at one place. I've never had anyone else do more than 12 months, and not everyone did that. The matching is for the paycheck you just paid me for work I already did. Why is it tied to the end of the year? As an employee retention hook it's a lousy idea. It's too small, and lacks all of the dopamine of watching a stock price seesaw up and down, wondering what it'll be worth when you Aug 06 02:32
schestowitzcan finally spend it.Aug 06 02:32
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schestowitzSome do (employer contributions).Aug 06 02:33
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schestowitz> 401k, which is a type of pension.Aug 06 02:33
schestowitzI was going to fight you on that, but you're right. TIL.Aug 06 02:33
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schestowitzJust an anecdote but anyone I saw leave around that age had been @ msft in the 90s and was wealthy enough to stop working long before. Most had pretty colourful BillG stories.Aug 06 02:33
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schestowitzHey IBM is famous for cannibalizing their pension plan and letting people go months before payouts. Nothing new here.Aug 06 02:33
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schestowitzCouldn't you get employment lawyers involved here?Aug 06 02:33
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schestowitzLawyers, ha - when IBM did it (years ago) there was an investigation by Congress! But of course the big corporation was found blameless and within their rights.Aug 06 02:33
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schestowitz"Cortana is an analytics and telemetry app that data mines people while pretending to be a digital assistant"Aug 06 02:33
schestowitzI am stunned that anyone here believes that any of the digital assistants are anything other than data ingestion and analysis vehicles.Aug 06 02:33
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schestowitziOS search box - so it can sell ads on that traffic. And this is why Google had to make Android, so they don’t have to pay for all mobile search usage. Also, Amazon is now making billions selling ads on the Amazon product search traffic. There are other uses for the data from search intent, but none of it generates cash like directly selling ads on those searches.Aug 06 02:34
schestowitzNow apply this context to the voice assistant market. If computer interactions shift from the web to voice, the digital assistant is the new search box. Being the company who creates the leading digital assistant means you’re in the position of getting paid billions for that traffic, rather than paying billions to get it.Aug 06 02:34
schestowitzIn short, I think the idea that voice assistants must exist to obtain new kinds of data misses the point. The creators of these services are going to want to collect data to train models, to debug, etc. but it’s all a means to an end. The end is to put a troll toll in place to extract a chunk of the value of any economic activity organized through the voice assistant. Imagine if AT&T could collect a tax on the value of any serviceAug 06 02:34
schestowitzsold over the phone - that’s the kind of economic opportunity we are talking about here. There’s no need to search for other hidden motivations.Aug 06 02:34
schestowitzOf course, other entities like governments would actually like the ability to listen to all your conversations, so they are going to try to get ahold of this data too.Aug 06 02:34
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schestowitz>"Microsoft rarely, if ever, allows anyone working there to reach 55 and have their pension become vested."Aug 06 02:34
schestowitzDon't pensions usually vest within 5/10 years of working for a company (possibly in tiers) rather than when reaching age 55? I'd assume anyone who has been at MS long enough to be eligible for a pension (which was probably last offered in the 90s or earlier) would have vested decades ago. You simply can't draw upon your pension until you reach 55 but you lose nothing. Makes me question the whole article to be honest.Aug 06 02:34
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schestowitzI guess that this is an example where corporate sponsorship of open source projects is both a blessing and a curse: it's fantastic while the corporation is doing great, and can get real bad real fast when priorities (or owners) change.Aug 06 02:34
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schestowitzLucky it was archived @ http://archive.is/oUbQZAug 06 02:34
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schestowitzVMware has been one of the few companies to be bought by an old dinosaur of tech (Dell) and so far, managed to survive. It helps that they're much closer to equal with Dell than RedHat and IBM, but I'm pretty sure RedHat knew exactly what they were doing when they decided to let IBM in the door.Aug 06 02:34
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schestowitz> but I'm pretty sure RedHat knew exactly what they were doing when they decided to let IBM in the door.Aug 06 02:34
schestowitzCall me cynical but isn't it possible that the people who were responsible for the acquisition on RedHat's side were also the ones who would benefit most from it financially so they simply sold out?Aug 06 02:34
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schestowitzI have heard one rumor (only one, mind you) that Dell/VMWare was more of a reverse merger. If you end up in charge of strategy for the combined company, then of course things go better for you.Aug 06 02:34
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schestowitzVMWare was bought by someone considered even more dinosaur, EMC. EMC <-> Dell was dinosaur union.Aug 06 02:35
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schestowitzUnsubstantiated bullshit. The entire 'article'. How this passes for 'journalism' is baffling.Aug 06 02:35
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schestowitzHow do the pensions work at Microsoft or IBM? I was under the impression once you vest into a pension you get it come retirement age regardless if at the time you are still working at the company. Otherwise that seems ridiculous, couldn't they just fire you at 54 and you get nothing?Aug 06 02:35
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schestowitzI don't know about MS or IBM specifically, but often pension payouts will increase over time, e.g. when you hit a certain age (or years of service) your pension increases from 50% to 60% of your salary. So laying someone off at 54 wouldn't cause them to lose money per se but they wouldn't get that 10% bump (which is a lot of money multiplied by 20-30 years).Aug 06 02:35
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schestowitzpeople are talking about pensions and what not. honestly, if you want a pension, go work for your local city or county government. in florida, frs is probably the best pension system out there. there are a ton of government position available right now that fall under frs benefits.Aug 06 02:35
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schestowitzOne part of this rings true to me. I left Red Hat a bit over three years ago, and part of the reason was container-itis was sucking all of the oxygen away from everything I cared about there. The rest of the OP might well be BS, but that part seems very likely.Aug 06 02:35
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schestowitztibbydudeza 6 hours ago [–]Aug 06 02:35
schestowitzGut and outsource ... that has been the IBM way for a while now.Aug 06 02:35
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schestowitzhindsightbias 5 hours ago [–]Aug 06 02:36
schestowitzAny “gutting” is Jim Whitehurst doing it. Redhat acquired IBM, not the other way around regardless of what wall street thinks. IBM mgrs are not lording over the RH folks. These orgs are not integrated (or hardly integrated) and IBM did their covid layoffs in May.Aug 06 02:36
schestowitzRH’ers thinking they are immune to the covid reality can blame the blue side all they want but that is not how the company is structured.Aug 06 02:36
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schestowitzTechrights is not a reliable news publication.Aug 06 02:36
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schestowitzDidn't they just acquire them last year? Is it b/c they're trying to cut costs or did they want to kill the company from the start?Aug 06 02:36
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schestowitzIBM doesn't "want" to kill anything but they definitely have a habit of "optimizing" acquisitions by cutting R&D and letting the product(s) coast.Aug 06 02:36
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schestowitzI recall some of the first comments when it happened were questioning when the layoffs would begin. The most common answer was "about a year." It's been about a year, so here they come.Aug 06 02:36
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schestowitzDoes anyone else see this more likely to be “mere” reductions in staff due to a presumed decline in business due to the global pandemic, rather than some nefarious plot to gut Red Hat?Aug 06 02:36
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schestowitzInteresting, I just saw a posting for Red Hat. Doesn't IBM have an automated HR system now? Perhaps that's not functioning as well as they'd hoped.Aug 06 02:36
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schestowitzThey could be gutting all the current employees to make room for new people hired at lower pay.Aug 06 02:36
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schestowitz"A good engineer is replaceable in 3 months But a chicky [sic] manager, hard to find. :)"Aug 06 02:37
schestowitzI assume this is common knowledgeAug 06 02:37
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schestowitz"Error establishing a database connection"Aug 06 02:37
schestowitzI looks like the site may have been hugged to death. Anyone have a mirror?Aug 06 02:37
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schestowitzReadable in Google WebCache: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:36DhuqT...Aug 06 02:37
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schestowitzugh. Caching is your friend, webmasters.Aug 06 02:37
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schestowitzhow does a site called techrights not have a working SSL certAug 06 02:37
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schestowitzI hope this means red hat goes away sooner.Aug 06 02:37
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schestowitzdan_quixote 4 hours ago [–]Aug 06 02:37
schestowitzWhy? What could you have against Red Hat? Even when I worked for a direct competitor, I had nothing to hate at Red Hat!Aug 06 02:37
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schestowitz“This is why we can’t have nice things”Aug 06 02:37
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schestowitzI recall at the time of the purchase some, I think it included Cringely, said that Red Hat culture was going to take over IBM and save it. Alas, it looks like that is not going to happen.Aug 06 02:38
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schestowitz> By the by, a strange and charming person has come into my life and madeAug 06 05:35
schestowitz> a friend of me. They are fairly unusual and eccentric, as am I. And itAug 06 05:35
schestowitz> is probably nothing of course.Aug 06 05:35
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schestowitz> The only thing that puts up red flags is they have so many things inAug 06 05:35
schestowitz> common that it almost feels a little fake. Probably a personality traitAug 06 05:35
schestowitz> or disorder, rather than a federal agent I mean. Though given theAug 06 05:35
schestowitz> history of the latter vis a vis activists, it cannot be ruled outAug 06 05:35
schestowitz> entirely. I suppose if anything bizarre happens next, we can blame thatAug 06 05:35
schestowitz> for it. But I wonder what they expect to get that they couldn't simplyAug 06 05:35
schestowitz> by tapping my phone. I suppose that's their own problem if they want toAug 06 05:35
schestowitz> waste resources on nonsense. But I know the odds are incredibly low. IfAug 06 05:35
schestowitz> it is so, at least they sent someone good-looking! I thought I'd mentionAug 06 05:35
schestowitz> it at least.Aug 06 05:36
schestowitzSometimes cops do get 'assigned' to people; I suspect this was done to us over a decade ago. But I cannot give more details.Aug 06 05:36
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schestowitz>> I think this may be a record week for us, traffic-wise, if this paceAug 06 06:41
schestowitz>> continues. Largely because of the Red Hat piece. Almost 150k views now.Aug 06 06:41
schestowitz> Yes, congratulations.  I notice that many of the non-humor posts haveAug 06 06:41
schestowitz> been quite excellent of late.  The RH piece is rather important becauseAug 06 06:41
schestowitz> RH has had such a large impact on the development of GNU/Linux inAug 06 06:41
schestowitz> general.  Until recently, prior to their adding microsofters to theirAug 06 06:41
schestowitz> roster and prior to the IBM sale, their influence has been mostlyAug 06 06:41
schestowitz> positive.Aug 06 06:41
schestowitz> Aug 06 06:41
schestowitz> The articles do still get censored quite quickly from m$ shit holes likeAug 06 06:41
schestowitz> Reddit and HN, however.Aug 06 06:41
schestowitzWe should expect that. But we're self-hosted in a way, so they cannot 'cancel' us. It's complicated. No response of substance yet, only ad hominem.Aug 06 06:41
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schestowitz>> To: bytesmedia@bytesmedia.co.ukAug 06 06:41
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schestowitz>> For record keeping (traffic volume)Aug 06 06:42
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schestowitz> When should we schedule the big update?  It would be bad form to waitAug 06 06:42
schestowitz> for things to fall over.Aug 06 06:42
schestowitzWordPress 5.5 is out in a few days. It might be a change to move from LTS to something newer on a new container for WordPress. I will ask kaniini now.Aug 06 06:42
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schestowitz>>>> I think this may be a record week for us, traffic-wise, if this paceAug 06 11:54
schestowitz>>>> continues. Largely because of the Red Hat piece. Almost 150k views now.Aug 06 11:54
schestowitz>>> Yes, congratulations.  I notice that many of the non-humor posts haveAug 06 11:54
schestowitz>>> been quite excellent of late.  The RH piece is rather important becauseAug 06 11:54
schestowitz>>> RH has had such a large impact on the development of GNU/Linux inAug 06 11:54
schestowitz>>> general.  Until recently, prior to their adding microsofters to theirAug 06 11:54
schestowitz>>> roster and prior to the IBM sale, their influence has been mostlyAug 06 11:54
schestowitz>>> positive.Aug 06 11:54
schestowitz>>>Aug 06 11:54
schestowitz>>> The articles do still get censored quite quickly from m$ shit holes likeAug 06 11:55
schestowitz>>> Reddit and HN, however.Aug 06 11:55
schestowitz>> We should expect that. But we're self-hosted in a way, so they cannotAug 06 11:55
schestowitz>> 'cancel' us. It's complicated. No response of substance yet, only adAug 06 11:55
schestowitz>> hominem.Aug 06 11:55
schestowitz> Yes, I've also noticed that all the attempts at counters have been adAug 06 11:55
schestowitz> honimen.  Technically that it them declaring TR right and resigning fromAug 06 11:55
schestowitz> the debate.  However, keep in mind that systemd got pounded throughAug 06 11:55
schestowitz> Debian through a mixture of ad hominem and ad novitam.  Later, whenAug 06 11:55
schestowitz> Debian derivatives succumbed as a natural result of being down stream,Aug 06 11:55
schestowitz> they could even add ad populum.  These are all fallacies.Aug 06 11:55
schestowitz>> [06:43] <schestowitz> Might also be a good chance to isolate the CMS ofAug 06 11:56
schestowitz>> the main site from the restAug 06 11:56
schestowitz>> [06:43] <Ariadne> I don't have time this week but maybe next weekAug 06 11:56
schestowitz>>Aug 06 11:56
schestowitz> Next week is good for me also.  It is possible to pick a day?Aug 06 11:56
schestowitzI don't want to pressure to commit to a date. I will bring it up in IRC again.Aug 06 11:56
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schestowitzI remember this from March. I hope it leads to deeper discoveries that do away with the Gateskeeper.Aug 06 17:48
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schestowitzWell not on MSM of corse just us smedia people but shadowbanned like everything else.Aug 06 17:48
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schestowitzLet’s see what happens this time I guessAug 06 17:48
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/zoobab/status/1291388001529008128Aug 06 17:48
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@zoobab: New FSF president promoting a non-free code platform? https://t.co/nJoz6Yvrko #fsf #freedom #deletegithubAug 06 17:48
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 500 @ https://techrights.org/2020/08/06/fsf-microsoft-github/ )Aug 06 17:48
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Dggonzalez2015/status/1291384318825308160Aug 06 17:49
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Dggonzalez2015: @Infogon @AnastasiaKnt @q3scrum Si, y en Red Hat parece que se vienen despidos https://t.co/qedxeeydHRAug 06 17:49
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 500 @ https://techrights.org/2020/08/02/red-hat-layoffs/ )Aug 06 17:49

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