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schestowitz>>> "Posti intended to move the workers under other unions'Sep 06 04:48
schestowitz>>> collective agreements, which PAU estimated would haveSep 06 04:48
schestowitz>>> led to some employees' wages falling by as much as halfSep 06 04:48
schestowitz>>> as well as weaker contract terms."Sep 06 04:48
schestowitz>>> https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/postal_union_calls_off_strike_ceo_predicts_end_to_letter_and_newspaper_deliveries/10954216Sep 06 04:48
schestowitz>> Reminds me to ask: did you receive notice of something in the post?Sep 06 04:48
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-yle.fi | Postal union calls off strike; CEO predicts end to letter and newspaper deliveries | Yle Uutiset | yle.fiSep 06 04:48
schestowitz>>Sep 06 04:48
schestowitz> Not yet.  It usually takes a few weeks once the package arrives in theSep 06 04:48
schestowitz> country.Sep 06 04:48
schestowitz> Sep 06 04:48
schestowitz> The head of the post is recently in the news for having an excessiveSep 06 04:48
schestowitz> compensation package at the same time he is planning to slash wages forSep 06 04:48
schestowitz> the workers.  After a few days of that he got the press distracted bySep 06 04:48
schestowitz> claiming he would end letter delivery by 2025.Sep 06 04:48
schestowitzMakes sense, thanks.Sep 06 04:48
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2019/09/05/zemlin-pac-sucking-linux/#commentsSep 06 06:12
schestowitz"You are doing a good job "getting the word out," but don't we need somebody with leverage against or in the organization to do something?  Can we convince Greg or Linus to do something?  If so, what?"Sep 06 06:12
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | A Linux Foundation Without Linux-Using Staff | TechrightsSep 06 06:12
schestowitzhttps://placeholderapi.wordpress.com/2019/09/05/esr-advocating-guns-again-as-if-peaceful-protesters-in-hk-are-lo/#comment-15160Sep 06 06:13
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-placeholderapi.wordpress.com | #esr advocating guns again. As if peaceful protesters in #hk are lo… | Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊)Sep 06 06:13
schestowitz"Just like we crushed the Taliban?"Sep 06 06:13
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schestowitz> Surprisingly the package arrived in the early evening with the normalSep 06 06:48
schestowitz> post.  Thanks!  The present was not needed but is appreciated.Sep 06 06:48
schestowitz> Sep 06 06:48
schestowitz> I've been curious about those for a while and will give a test soon.  ItSep 06 06:48
schestowitz> might turn out to be useful chasing away magpies.  I'll have to wait forSep 06 06:48
schestowitz> the wind to die down a bit though.Sep 06 06:48
schestowitzWe saw a live demo of it.  It can do backflips.Sep 06 06:48
schestowitzWe could not send the batteries for the remote because the Post Office does not permit it.Sep 06 06:48
acer-box"Say nothing until you do. They’re just shills trying to get under your skin."Sep 06 06:57
acer-boxhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/15915540Sep 06 06:57
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The visit to #Microsoft is now being exploited by Microsoft apologists. They say things like, "even #RMS is OK with Microsoft..." People in IRC ask me questions... What am I supposed to say? I don't know the pertinent facts because the story was broken by Microsoft PR people.Sep 06 06:57
acer-boxbut that has an effect on observers Sep 06 06:58
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/NTechlibre/status/1169841323915874306Sep 06 07:00
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@NTechlibre: Openwashing Report: The @linuxfoundation Champions Openwashing of #GPL-Violating (and GPL-Bashing) #Microsoft Richa… https://t.co/mv50eCoYjeSep 06 07:00
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@NTechlibre: Openwashing Report: The @linuxfoundation Champions Openwashing of #GPL-Violating (and GPL-Bashing) #Microsoft Richa… https://t.co/mv50eCoYjeSep 06 07:00
schestowitz"Sep 06 07:00
schestowitzOpenwashing Report: The @linuxfoundation Champions Openwashing of #GPL-Violating (and GPL-Bashing) #MicrosoftSep 06 07:00
schestowitzRichard Stallman sounds less 'crazy' everyday...Sep 06 07:00
schestowitz"Sep 06 07:00
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/McSinyx/status/1169828631897444353Sep 06 07:00
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@McSinyx: @zoobab @ItalyPaleAle It is a lot more than that. I had to dig back my browsing history to find this. It was writte… https://t.co/lZycdkfs0DSep 06 07:00
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@McSinyx: @zoobab @ItalyPaleAle It is a lot more than that. I had to dig back my browsing history to find this. It was writte… https://t.co/lZycdkfs0DSep 06 07:00
schestowitz"It is a lot more than that. I had to dig back my browsing history to find this. It was written a few years ago but I doubt @Microsoft has changed at all: http://techrights.org/2016/04/03/microsoft-build-"Sep 06 07:00
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Microsoft’s Charm Offensive Against GNU/Linux Uses the Same Media Strategy Donald Trump Uses | TechrightsSep 06 07:00
schestowitz"Shills aren’t worth a second’s thought."Sep 06 07:23
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/15915540Sep 06 07:24
schestowitz"Sep 06 07:24
schestowitzIt does, but you could say as such.Sep 06 07:24
schestowitz“I will not engage with the shills until I have facts. They operate on deception and I do not. Let them screech.”Sep 06 07:25
schestowitz"Sep 06 07:25
schestowitz"It’s what I’d say at least."Sep 06 07:25
schestowitzI've contacted RMSSep 06 07:25
schestowitz>>> Surprisingly the package arrived in the early evening with the normalSep 06 07:28
schestowitz>>> post.  Thanks!  The present was not needed but is appreciated.Sep 06 07:28
schestowitz>>>Sep 06 07:28
schestowitz>>> I've been curious about those for a while and will give a test soon.  ItSep 06 07:28
schestowitz>>> might turn out to be useful chasing away magpies.  I'll have to wait forSep 06 07:28
schestowitz>>> the wind to die down a bit though.Sep 06 07:28
schestowitz>> We saw a live demo of it.  It can do backflips.Sep 06 07:28
schestowitz> Cool.  I'm reading up on it.  The forecast is for lower wind speedsSep 06 07:29
schestowitz> tomorrow.  I have space to fly it here but also a mostly abandonedSep 06 07:29
schestowitz> open-pit sand mine nearby to try the fancier tricks.  I hope it's notSep 06 07:29
schestowitz> too hard to learn.Sep 06 07:29
schestowitz> Sep 06 07:29
schestowitz> As for the magpies, that was mostly a joke.  They're smart enough to flySep 06 07:29
schestowitz> away when I even look out the window at them, let alone get to the door.Sep 06 07:29
schestowitz>  They did almost succeed in catching and eating my earlier cat though,Sep 06 07:29
schestowitz> so I continue to be very territorial when I see them.  Long story, backSep 06 07:29
schestowitz> when I slept solidly, I got up in the middle of the night and went outSep 06 07:29
schestowitz> into the forest only to find my cat hanging at the top of a tall pineSep 06 07:29
schestowitz> with a flock of magpies diving and pecking at her.  I got her back downSep 06 07:29
schestowitz> after a long while and she slept for about three days straight.  I'veSep 06 07:29
schestowitz> seen a smaller number surround our current cat but was on hand to chaseSep 06 07:29
schestowitz> them away.Sep 06 07:29
schestowitz> Sep 06 07:29
schestowitz>> We could not send the batteries for the remote because the Post OfficeSep 06 07:29
schestowitz>> does not permit it.Sep 06 07:29
schestowitz> No problem.  They probably would have increased the weight too muchSep 06 07:29
schestowitz> anyway.  Several sizes of battery have become staple items around here.Sep 06 07:29
schestowitz>  Usually the shipping services freak out about the lithium ion batteriesSep 06 07:29
schestowitz> but let this one through.Sep 06 07:29
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schestowitz>>> I don't know the pertinent facts because the story was broken bySep 06 07:53
schestowitz>>> Microsoft PR people.Sep 06 07:53
schestowitz>> I was going to ask about that after reading your post.  They even hadSep 06 07:53
schestowitz>> the gall to put the video in Youtube against his wishes so it is clearSep 06 07:53
schestowitz>> that M$ is not acting in good faith.  Never have, never will.Sep 06 07:53
schestowitz> Correction: I read incorrectly, there is no Youtube video.Sep 06 07:53
schestowitzThanks, better than to be caught saying the wrong 'facts'Sep 06 07:53
schestowitz> Dear Roy,Sep 06 08:06
schestowitz> a friend of mine has done this. Feel free to publish together with the below text which came with it:Sep 06 08:06
schestowitz> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Sep 06 08:06
schestowitz> Those applying a deliberately unfair performance rating system to threaten staff members with dismissal for 'professional incompetence' deserve being rated themselves.Sep 06 08:06
schestowitz> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Sep 06 08:06
schestowitz> BUT, ATTENTION: no source must be mentioned, also not indirectly. Please avoid adding any further comment or interpretation.Sep 06 08:06
schestowitz>Sep 06 08:06
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schestowitzYes.Sep 06 08:32
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/15915891#86495d10b2a20137adae52540039b762Sep 06 08:32
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "I could have made money this way, and perhaps amused myself writing code. But I knew that at the end of my career, I would look back on years of building walls to divide people, and feel I had spent my life making the world a worse place." - Richard StallmanSep 06 08:32
schestowitz"Yes."Sep 06 08:32
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/15915818#90669eb0b2a10137adac52540039b762Sep 06 08:33
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: 2009: "Apparently, Stallman is not permitted to defend Free software from Microsoft." http://techrights.org/2009/09/26/richard-stallman-smeared-for-truth/Sep 06 08:33
schestowitz"Sep 06 08:33
schestowitzSep 06 08:33
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> techrights.org | Richard Stallman is Not the Bad Guy | TechrightsSep 06 08:33
schestowitzIt's a shame the way he's demonized. In a society of lies, speaking the truth sounds like insanity. He's one of the few public figures I trust.Sep 06 08:33
schestowitz"Sep 06 08:33
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/15915540#9beadf80b2a00137adac52540039b762Sep 06 08:34
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The visit to #Microsoft is now being exploited by Microsoft apologists. They say things like, "even #RMS is OK with Microsoft..." People in IRC ask me questions... What am I supposed to say? I don't know the pertinent facts because the story was broken by Microsoft PR people.Sep 06 08:34
schestowitz"Sep 06 08:34
schestowitzSep 06 08:34
schestowitzEven better, if you have his ear then you have one of the best sources on the subject.Sep 06 08:34
schestowitz"Sep 06 08:34
schestowitzwill update soon..Sep 06 08:34
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/15915101#8704ef80b29a0137adac52540039b762Sep 06 08:35
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #wagetheft Sep 06 08:35
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- Photo by schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: https://joindiaspora.com/uploads/images/thumb_medium_b8f1542058e9d1e5d8bf.jpgSep 06 08:35
schestowitz"Sep 06 08:35
schestowitzSep 06 08:35
schestowitzI love this one lolSep 06 08:35
schestowitz"Sep 06 08:35
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/15915081#58a20e80b29a0137863f005056264835Sep 06 08:35
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: On #microsoft payroll since 2006. #linux #kernel #novell #gregkh Sep 06 08:35
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- Photo by schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: https://joindiaspora.com/uploads/images/thumb_medium_5ba45b86635bd366703e.jpgSep 06 08:35
schestowitz"khartmana pojebało (kota też)""Sep 06 08:35
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/15914978#b38623b0b2940137adac52540039b762Sep 06 08:36
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: A $170 Million Joke: Why the FTC’s ‘Record’ #YouTube Fine for Collecting Kids’ Data Won’t Change Anything https://fortune.com/2019/09/04/youtube-ftc-fine-privacy/Sep 06 08:36
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> fortune.com | YouTube's $170 Million FTC Fine Will Do Nothing to Fix Data Privacy | FortuneSep 06 08:36
schestowitz"Sep 06 08:36
schestowitzSep 06 08:36
schestowitzTheir heart was in the right place though.Sep 06 08:36
schestowitz"Sep 06 08:36
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/15896092#58c3f020b29201378d75002590d8e506Sep 06 08:37
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: If #google gets to decide whose voice is "news" and whose voice isn't, that's a helluva lot of power to misuse. #monopoly on worldviews right there...Sep 06 08:37
schestowitz"Sep 06 08:37
schestowitzThis is not a power they’ve wanted to exercise in the past. Mostly the people making this claim are Microsoft, who have eagerly abused their copy of Google search results to do exactly what they claim Google does. Hopefully, Matt Cuts successors are just as smart about censorship as opposed to spam fighting.Sep 06 08:37
schestowitz tomgrzSep 06 08:37
schestowitztomgrz - a day ago Sep 06 08:37
schestowitzOne thing I’ve noticed about Google News is that it is meager. Surely they could come up with more…Sep 06 08:37
schestowitz Will HillSep 06 08:37
schestowitzWill Hill - about 2 hours ago Sep 06 08:37
schestowitzThere’s more, you just have to poke it with a few search terms about things you are interested in.Sep 06 08:37
schestowitz"Sep 06 08:37
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/15910657#8b266050b27a0137523d0cc47a07853cSep 06 08:37
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Pretty incredible that for 5 years of #swpats scandals @eff had nothing whatsoever to say about #epo Silence is a form of complicity with the oppressor http://techrights.org/2019/09/04/electronic-frontier-foundation-ignores-epo/Sep 06 08:37
schestowitzSilence is a form of complicity with the oppressor fuckin hell""Sep 06 08:37
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> techrights.org | The Electronic Frontier Foundation Opposes Software Patents (in the US), So Why Does It Keep 100% Silent About Europe and the EPO? | TechrightsSep 06 08:37
schestowitzyupSep 06 08:38
schestowitzThey didn't even write an effin' TWEET about it... in FIVE YEARSSep 06 08:38
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/15849824#2014ffb0b277013709877a163ef10931Sep 06 08:39
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #comey committed a crime. Don't expect arrest. These people, like serial high-profile pedophiles, are above the #law https://www.dailyfreeman.com/watchdog-comey-violated-fbi-policies-in-handling-of-memos/article_bbfd9f07-3459-5f47-b458-ef8285abcb7f.htmlSep 06 08:39
schestowitz"Sep 06 08:39
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.dailyfreeman.com | Watchdog: Comey violated FBI policies in handling of memos | | dailyfreeman.comSep 06 08:39
schestowitzIt is said he broke a “policy” and not a “law”. Is this a valid distinction?Sep 06 08:39
schestowitzSep 06 08:39
schestowitzwbtphdjd@pluspora.com - about 6 hours ago Sep 06 08:39
schestowitzWhat law did he violate? The FBI may set internal policy by itself for itself. It may not enact statutes of general application.Sep 06 08:39
schestowitzSep 06 08:39
schestowitztomgrz - about 6 hours ago Sep 06 08:39
schestowitzJust as I thought.Sep 06 08:39
schestowitz"Sep 06 08:39
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/zoobab/status/1169702794607177728Sep 06 08:43
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@zoobab: @webmink @schestowitz 'Permissists' were only interested in 'making software proprietary again' :-)Sep 06 08:43
schestowitz'Permissists' were only interested in 'making software proprietary again' :-)""Sep 06 08:43
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/stautistic/status/1169852515141091328Sep 06 08:44
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@stautistic: @schestowitz I’m fairly certain that they’re working on a Linux distro of their own to replace Windows.Sep 06 08:44
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/PatrickWingrove/status/1169887618542100482Sep 06 09:19
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@PatrickWingrove: @schestowitz But surely you must acknowledge, whether you like the project or not, that the UPC does stand a chance… https://t.co/6umiu12ZFJSep 06 09:19
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@PatrickWingrove: @schestowitz But surely you must acknowledge, whether you like the project or not, that the UPC does stand a chance… https://t.co/6umiu12ZFJSep 06 09:19
schestowitz"Sep 06 09:19
schestowitzBut surely you must acknowledge, whether you like the project or not, that the UPC does stand a chance. It only needs to be ratified in one country for it to become a thing - and with it being that close, do you think those putting it together are just going to give up?Sep 06 09:19
schestowitz0 replies 0 retweets 0 likesSep 06 09:19
schestowitz"Sep 06 09:19
schestowitzIf Managing IP wants to prove that it's a real news site and not lobbying, it'll cover Serco-EPO, which should be a major scandal nobody talks about (why?) http://techrights.org/2019/09/06/epo-outsourcing-to-serco/Sep 06 09:51
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | The Corrupt EPO Apparently Hides Its Serco Outsourcing Deal | TechrightsSep 06 09:52
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ledshark24/status/1169904544202936320Sep 06 10:37
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@ledshark24: Microsoft’s Plan for Linux is to Make it Proprietary Software With ‘Surveillance Capitalism’ | Techrights https://t.co/GAjorXWTGL #publicSep 06 10:37
schestowitzMicrosoft’s Plan for Linux is to Make it Proprietary Software With ‘Surveillance Capitalism’ | Techrights http://techrights.org/2019/09/06/microsoft-linux-surveillance-capitalism/ … #public""Sep 06 10:37
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> techrights.org | Microsoft’s Plan for Linux is to Make it Proprietary Software With ‘Surveillance Capitalism’ | TechrightsSep 06 10:37
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schestowitzhttp://lxer.com/module/forums/t/36632/Sep 06 18:24
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-lxer.com | LXer: well-written COBOL reads like an English novel: COBOL turns 60: Why it will outlive us allSep 06 18:25
schestowitz"Sep 06 18:25
schestowitzI lost an earlier, longer comment, so here's the condensed version:Sep 06 18:25
schestowitzIn Pascal: "a := b * c ;"Sep 06 18:25
schestowitzIn BASIC: "LET a = b * c"Sep 06 18:25
schestowitzIn COBOL: "MULTIPLY B BY C GIVING A."Sep 06 18:25
schestowitzAnd for the pedantic:Sep 06 18:25
schestowitzIn Scheme: "(set! a (* b c))"Sep 06 18:25
schestowitzFinally, in Forth: "b @ c @ * a !"Sep 06 18:25
schestowitz-----Sep 06 18:25
schestowitzEach statement accomplishes the same thing, but which one requires the least translation as you read it out loud? I'd argue that COBOL very nearly approaches that goal.Sep 06 18:25
schestowitzCOBOL is to computing languages what RISC is to processor design, a hard application of the KISS principle: "Keep It Simple, Stupid!". The design philosophy of COBOL is to lay out the data structures explicitly, in order to simplify the code.Sep 06 18:25
schestowitz"Show me your flowcharts and conceal your tables, and I shall continue to be mystified. Show me your tables, and I won’t usually need your flowcharts; they’ll be obvious." - Fred Brooks, The Mythical Man-monthSep 06 18:25
schestowitzpenguinistSep 06 18:25
schestowitzSep 06, 2019Sep 06 18:25
schestowitz5:22 AM EDTForth is a language that I still fondly remember. I loved the logic of Forth, maybe its appeal resulted from it's similarity to my calculator of choice at that time, an HP35.Sep 06 18:25
schestowitzbverhegSep 06 18:25
schestowitzSep 06, 2019Sep 06 18:25
schestowitz6:34 AM EDTWhen COBOL appeared there was already FORTRAN. And it had the simplest assignment statement that you can dream, inherited by C and Python and many others: "a = b * c" It takes me 100x more time to understand the COBOL statement. I guess COBOL was only meant for people that have no mathematical knowledge.Sep 06 18:25
schestowitzarmSep 06 18:25
schestowitzSep 06, 2019Sep 06 18:25
schestowitz7:54 AM EDTI find the less 'wordy' versions better. I want to know what a bit of code is doing at a glance, not have to read a chunk of prose to get gist.Sep 06 18:25
schestowitzcrSep 06 18:25
schestowitzSep 06, 2019Sep 06 18:25
schestowitz11:51 AM EDT@penguinist: Different strokes, I guess... I still use HP's RPN -- if I'm not invoking gdcalc on the KDE1.1 box, I'm pulling down my HP-11C or HP-41CV (long before the Turbo-C or Perl5 versions, I wrote the first version of ampsr that had standard-values search on the HP-41CV) -- but Forth has too little syntactical sugar and too great a head-context load, particularly for stack operations, for my tastes. The least little Sep 06 18:25
schestowitzdistraction or social interrupt leaves me having to rebuild my visualization of the data from scratch. Do you live alone?Sep 06 18:25
schestowitz@arm: I share your distaste for wordy languages: it's too hard to pick out the chosen words (variable names, immediate constants, strings) from the language mechanics. C > Pascal for that reason alone.Sep 06 18:25
schestowitz"Sep 06 18:25
schestowitzhttps://pleroma.site/notice/9mThsbwd2gfSfufheCSep 06 19:29
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-pleroma.site | PleromaSep 06 19:29
schestowitz"Any phone that strips out google's stuff is going to the top of my things to buy list. 🙂"Sep 06 19:29
schestowitzhttps://pleroma.site/notice/9mU0knfcnmitUXKW0GSep 06 19:29
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schestowitz"Sep 06 19:29
schestowitzActually the company account is @Fairphone 😉Sep 06 19:29
schestowitz 1Sep 06 19:29
schestowitz"Sep 06 19:29
schestowitzhttps://pleroma.site/notice/9mU14ghiPc1Rg4n5weSep 06 19:29
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schestowitz"It's a real pity that @Fairphone  and @purism  didn't team up, @tuxmachines  ... That would've made a #Linux pocket computer (sans Android) with ethical hardware."Sep 06 19:29
schestowitzdiversity is also a  strength Sep 06 19:30
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