●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Thursday, July 07, 2022 ●● ● Jul 07 [00:43] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@98i3dcbsy6zbg.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jul 07 [01:01] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Jul 07 [03:03] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [03:03] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [03:09] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@5tcc2vuaj9aks.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [03:09] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jul 07 [04:52] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@y7jsttnatjcu6.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [04:54] Techrights-sec April 1st? [04:54] Techrights-sec https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Systemd-Creator-Microsoft [04:54] Techrights-sec Larabel is now also an M$ apologist [04:54] Techrights-sec otr: https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=6366139 [04:54] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Systemd Creator Lands At Microsoft - Phoronix [04:54] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 403 @ https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=6366139 ) [04:55] schestowitz-TR yes, see what I said about larabel in my post [04:55] schestowitz-TR (about this) ● Jul 07 [05:00] Techrights-sec [05:00] Techrights-sec checking [05:00] Techrights-sec LOL [05:00] Techrights-sec not good that Larabel has gone that route [05:01] schestowitz-TR happened years ago already [05:01] schestowitz-TR I confronted him about it and he made shitty exccuses [05:01] schestowitz-TR tw, lots of comments on this in irc scrollback since 00:30 [05:08] Techrights-sec checking [05:08] Techrights-sec not much of substance though [05:08] schestowitz-TR I was aiming for speed [05:08] schestowitz-TR and irc is just... irc [05:08] schestowitz-TR just because michael does not offer wear a suit does not mean he isn't one [05:08] Techrights-sec comments at phoronix? [05:08] schestowitz-TR but that's blaming the messenger [05:08] schestowitz-TR the comments there were minutes old and some were spot on (14 of them) [05:08] schestowitz-TR I want to see how the community reacts to all this [05:08] schestowitz-TR we already wrote a lot about the subject [05:08] schestowitz-TR github etc. that he joined Microsoft like Miguel and Nat is just "icing on the kaka" [05:08] schestowitz-TR or rather, maybe that helps expose him for what he really is or was all along [05:10] schestowitz-TR phoronix long ago became one of those sites -- like patent lying sites -- where comments are better than the article [05:10] schestowitz-TR more honest [05:10] schestowitz-TR co coprpoprate money spilled in [05:10] Techrights-sec I suspect that it only exposes him for what his has been all along [05:10] Techrights-sec he's been out to decommodify linux and will work for whichever company [05:10] Techrights-sec willing to pay for that regardless [05:14] schestowitz-TR maybe not too late to stop some of this agenda, e.g. systemd-homed [05:14] schestowitz-TR I wonder what Debian will say [05:14] schestowitz-TR given their own state of chaos [05:14] schestowitz-TR update posted yesterday in debian.coimmunity [05:14] schestowitz-TR *no croporate money [05:14] schestowitz-TR wait for SJVN to blog some BS grabage in ZDNet from his TWO chromebooks [05:14] schestowitz-TR zemlin: huh? what is systemd? sorry, i'm not so technical... [05:14] schestowitz-TR is this a computer kanguage? d? [05:14] schestowitz-TR my garndpa was... [some lies] [05:15] Techrights-sec ack [05:17] schestowitz-TR I did not tell rianne when I went to bed cause I was not sure how she would interpret it and if it would upset her [05:17] schestowitz-TR to me, it's another new war in the battle [05:17] schestowitz-TR and Microsoft Windows is dying rapidly [05:17] schestowitz-TR so they need to screw the competition [05:17] schestowitz-TR btw, chromebooks do NOT use system [05:17] schestowitz-TR gulag has the resources to avoid it [05:17] schestowitz-TR *systemd [05:17] Techrights-sec Lennart has been trying to degrade Linux into becoming WIndows-like all along [05:17] Techrights-sec so it is enraging but not a surprise [05:20] schestowitz-TR I told kaniini that is he spins a new contrainer (tuxmachines or TM-new) better to make that alpine [05:20] schestowitz-TR or some other system-less OS [05:20] schestowitz-TR if we follow through with the plan the stack should be quite simple anyway [05:20] schestowitz-TR LA-- [05:20] schestowitz-TR or LA-Perl [05:20] schestowitz-TR I put a lot of thought into implementation, jumping ahead of myself [05:20] schestowitz-TR and also ways to merge the context of old and news [05:20] schestowitz-TR tomorrow we find out about shift patterns to ffollow [05:21] *schestowitz has quit (Connection closed) [05:21] *schestowitz (~schestowi@freenode/user/schestowitz) has joined #boycottnovell [05:22] Techrights-sec ack [05:23] schestowitz-TR front page of /. just posted anti-Linux story from MSFT and kid arse-fucking arse technically pedo [05:23] Techrights-sec not a surprise /. has been dead for many years and the husk is owned and [05:23] Techrights-sec operated by microsofters [05:25] schestowitz-TR well, /. is dead [05:25] schestowitz-TR make sure SN does not become the same [05:26] Techrights-sec takes effort and a bit of defense [05:27] schestowitz-TR maybe Microsoft will offer the chief editor a "job" (bribe) at Micros~1 RESEAR~1 [05:28] Techrights-sec no they will just troll the site to death like they did with /. [05:28] Techrights-sec and burn out the editors; when they did that to /. they were able to [05:28] Techrights-sec get them to sell but this time it would just go under [05:28] Techrights-sec which is what they want to achieve through their astroturfing anyway [05:29] schestowitz-TR pro-MSFT Mac Asay = timewasting, a productivity drain [05:29] schestowitz-TR fustration, loss of interest [05:30] Techrights-sec asay is on par with lennart; restricted boot and UEFI have been extremely [05:30] Techrights-sec harmful to commodity hardware and commodity systems [05:38] schestowitz-TR Torvalds looks 60. He's now helping Hondahl promote his new paymaster. [05:46] Techrights-sec over 60 or worse [05:47] schestowitz-TR microsoft systemdefective: well, he's dead [05:47] schestowitz-TR now they just need a kernel [05:47] Techrights-sec https://artixlinux.org/ [05:47] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-artixlinux.org | Artix Linux - Home ● Jul 07 [06:30] *Despatche has quit (connection closed) [06:30] *Despatche (~desp@u3xy9z2ifjzci.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [06:32] *Despatche has quit (connection closed) [06:32] *Despatche (~desp@u3xy9z2ifjzci.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jul 07 [07:27] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [07:35] schestowitz-TR repairing DB (not creitical) [07:35] schestowitz-TR the db is live is tgemporary [07:35] schestowitz-TR I'll revert back to 27/6 copy later [07:35] schestowitz-TR after running a screipt with wget to get all node posted since then [07:35] Techrights-sec ack [07:35] Techrights-sec ok [07:35] schestowitz-TR and then make a list of apache redirection for these (to the copies in the new site) [07:37] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [07:38] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [07:38] Techrights-sec what options do you have with wget? [07:41] schestowitz-TR assuming latest "stable" node was XXXXX [07:41] schestowitz-TR we just wget XXXXX+1, +2, 3+... [07:41] schestowitz-TR then make an apache list for each XXX [07:41] schestowitz-TR and copy the donwloaded files to the new server [07:41] schestowitz-TR this way no links will be broken [07:41] schestowitz-TR but I want to get this finished beore the DB breaks down completely [07:41] schestowitz-TR it's shedding off mostly search index-relared data for now ● Jul 07 [08:14] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [08:23] schestowitz-TR "Tor Network, having as its default search engine DuckDuckGo." Tor took bribes from Microsoft, via its proxy DDG, and now helps Microsoft spy on Tor users. Tor is compromised. https://trendoceans.com/install-tor-browser-linux/ http://techrights.org/wiki/DuckDuckGo [08:23] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-trendoceans.com | How to Install Tor Browser in Linux with Security Guide - TREND OCEANS [08:23] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | DuckDuckGo - Techrights [08:33] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [08:39] schestowitz-TR Tor Browser if not Tor Project is compromised. Bribed by Microsoft to help Microsoft spy... [08:39] schestowitz-TR Microsoft systemd has made "Linux" as unreliable as Windows https://techhq.com/2022/07/ubuntu-22-oomd-app-killer-mem Microsoft systemd has made "Linux" as unreliable as Windows https://techhq.com/2022/07/ubuntu-22-oomd-app-killer-memory-pressure/ory-pressure/ [08:39] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techhq.com | Ubuntu 22.04 users find problem with OOMD app killer [08:39] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-TechHQ - Technology and business [08:39] schestowitz-TR DDG did not DONATE to Tor. It passed MICROSOFT BRIBE MONEY TO TOR. And now Tor Browser helps the NSA, via Microsoft, spy on users. Microsoft is subsidised (or bailed out) with Pentagon budgets for 'dick moves' like these... ● Jul 07 [09:10] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [09:10] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [09:13] *Disconnected (Connection reset by peer). [09:13] *Now talking on #boycottnovell [09:16] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [09:54] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jul 07 [10:22] schestowitz-TR made some memes [10:22] schestowitz-TR do you want to start prototyping the tuxmachines cms before we even get the machine? [10:22] schestowitz-TR can start at my end, then push to git [10:22] Techrights-sec back [10:22] Techrights-sec is there a machine to work on or should I set up a temporary on here? [10:23] schestowitz-TR can you set one up, please? apache needed, I can set news.tuxmachines.org to point to that IP address, no matter port number [10:24] Techrights-sec the address changes periodically; it'll be on an odd port since the IPv4 [10:24] Techrights-sec address is already in use on ports 80 and 443; [10:26] schestowitz-TR that's OK, I can add ":" for port, just need ssh access to code over [10:26] schestowitz-TR I will start coding crude prototype in bash here [10:26] Techrights-sec yes HTTP can be tunneled over SSH using SOCKS5 [10:36] schestowitz-TR got the main loop working [10:36] schestowitz-TR nice and simple [10:36] schestowitz-TR I assume you know how to leverage perl to make rss feeds [10:36] Techrights-sec yes that's straightforward [10:38] schestowitz-TR I'm thinking, [10:38] schestowitz-TR font page shows all items last updated in past 24 hours [10:38] schestowitz-TR maybe with uppser limit imposed on number [10:38] schestowitz-TR then, for each day we keep an archive and sort of yearly calendar [10:38] schestowitz-TR catagories and tags are outdated and can be a waste of time [10:38] schestowitz-TR Google disregards SEO and does its own s*** [10:50] schestowitz-TR main loop done, added css, meta etc. [10:50] schestowitz-TR my laptop does not run apache, so I cannot show you [10:50] schestowitz-TR I will push to git in a moment [10:58] schestowitz-TR ok, adding ● Jul 07 [11:00] Techrights-sec checking [11:05] Techrights-sec missed a line, retry please [11:05] Techrights-sec yes when the system connects the first time, one of those fingerprints whill [11:05] Techrights-sec will get shown [11:17] schestowitz-TR I got connection refused, but I assume I need to add those lines to knownhosts? [11:17] schestowitz-TR files in place, domain news.tuxmachine.org working [11:17] schestowitz-TR I think without being in sudoers I cannot feasibly configure apache to serve [11:17] schestowitz-TR I tried a few things [11:19] schestowitz-TR it'll need to be configured to use some strange port number for http/s [11:26] Techrights-sec SOCKS5 will work for http/s [11:26] Techrights-sec restarting apache2 [11:27] schestowitz-TR what port number? [11:27] schestowitz-TR see news.tuxmachine.org [11:27] schestowitz-TR can work as alias for your port 80 site [11:27] schestowitz-TR but I want to read what's in homedir/tuxmachines atm [11:27] schestowitz-TR this way we can both see it [11:36] schestowitz-TR looking under sites_enabled [11:36] schestowitz-TR must I set it in firefox or can I just localhost:4445 after the tunnel is up and running? [11:36] schestowitz-TR ok, adding [11:37] Techrights-sec the firefox profile must point to a SOCKS proxy [11:41] schestowitz-TR ok, so firefox has for socks v 5 localhost port 4445 [11:41] schestowitz-TR I get nothing for the local IP after that [11:41] schestowitz-TR no d block? [11:51] Techrights-sec firefox always tries to force HTTPS if you are not extra careful [11:55] schestowitz-TR the connection was reset [11:55] schestowitz-TR hmmm... I've checked the settings again [11:55] schestowitz-TR and ports etc. [11:55] schestowitz-TR and the tunnel [11:55] schestowitz-TR I even set both http proxy and sock5 host to localhost:4445 [11:55] schestowitz-TR out of frustration [11:56] Techrights-sec and in firefox, Edit->Settings->General->Network Settings-> [11:56] Techrights-sec Manual proxy_> SOCK HOST 127.0.0.1 port 4445 ? [11:56] Techrights-sec and you've connectwde with SSH using: [11:56] Techrights-sec ssh -D 4445 -p 2230 news.techrights.org [11:56] Techrights-sec ? [11:56] schestowitz-TR tuxmachines [11:56] schestowitz-TR you typd techrights [11:56] schestowitz-TR but I corrected it [11:58] schestowitz-TR ok, got it now [11:58] schestowitz-TR let's get to work ;-) [11:58] Techrights-sec and Proxy DNS is checked ? [11:58] Techrights-sec and Enable DNS over HTTP is unchecked?L [11:58] Techrights-sec yep ● Jul 07 [12:01] schestowitz-TR go to webroot [12:01] schestowitz-TR you can see one shell script [12:01] schestowitz-TR self-explanatory [12:01] Techrights-sec not the right place for scripts, but ok [12:03] Techrights-sec SSI is now turned on [12:03] Techrights-sec minor problem on this platform: RPi does not have incron :( [12:03] Techrights-sec soon it is essential [12:03] Techrights-sec this machine will not go live though [12:03] Techrights-sec I've added HTML tidy [12:04] schestowitz-TR the general idea is, under nodes new files are either added or modified (updated) [12:04] schestowitz-TR find or another tool needs to sort them chronologically [12:04] schestowitz-TR then, for nodes, cull out header and footer [12:04] schestowitz-TR incron not essential yet [12:04] schestowitz-TR as we can use a cron job and when putting it live update triggers can be changed [12:04] schestowitz-TR yes, this machine won't be live [12:04] schestowitz-TR rianne told me about borisnaro [12:05] Techrights-sec the element is essential for processing by date [12:06] schestowitz-TR the filesystem, I thought, stored time last modified [12:06] schestowitz-TR but that's not important atm [12:06] schestowitz-TR rss would be nice [12:06] schestowitz-TR and way to strip out header and footer from nodes before or after concatenation [12:06] schestowitz-TR and computed cheaply [12:08] Techrights-sec the file system date is not relevant in this case and can be wrong [12:08] Techrights-sec see nodes/1.html [12:08] Techrights-sec RSS is easy [12:08] Techrights-sec header and footer can be served via SSI [12:11] schestowitz-TR I don't know SSI, so it's good that you do :-) [12:11] schestowitz-TR I threw a footer in all 4 "nodes" [12:11] schestowitz-TR and then you came back, so I did not go further than that and copied the file to the server [12:11] schestowitz-TR in terms of layout, I can make is fancy-schmancy later [12:11] schestowitz-TR the "core" is the node body [12:11] schestowitz-TR in kde rianne and I can just have he directory open and add objects to it [12:11] schestowitz-TR but for a better controlled workflow we can write a command line tool, like [12:11] schestowitz-TR add note, which asks for frields like title and then does the rest [12:16] Techrights-sec right look in the HTML source [12:16] Techrights-sec for 1.html [12:16] Techrights-sec do we want to use the +x hack or name the files .shtml or just apply SSI to [12:16] Techrights-sec all the HTML files within the ./node hierarchy? [12:16] Techrights-sec maybe that last option is best [12:17] schestowitz-TR I don't see "header" and "footer" but top and bottom as those are the bits which go above and below the body, needs to vary and it's in <head> [12:17] schestowitz-TR yes, just checked the file [12:17] schestowitz-TR your suggestion is a good one [12:17] schestowitz-TR in terms of file names, we can write the "slug" as the filename [12:17] schestowitz-TR maybe some tools can prepend or append date to the filename to avoid slug collisions [12:19] Techrights-sec yes [12:19] Techrights-sec a script can ask for the date, the title, the slug, and then open an editor [12:19] Techrights-sec for the post, and then when the editor is closed (and the post passes validation) then write it all to a file named after the slug in a subdirectory under node [12:19] Techrights-sec based on year/month/day [12:24] Techrights-sec ok I must think a bit and then try some scripting [12:29] schestowitz-TR yes, that would be a plendid workflow [12:29] schestowitz-TR faster than before [12:29] schestowitz-TR if two days later we open such a file over ssh [12:29] schestowitz-TR and add "Update: xxxxxxx" [12:29] schestowitz-TR the timestamp will change [12:29] schestowitz-TR so it'll be presented again at the front page [12:29] schestowitz-TR which is the behaviour we want [12:29] schestowitz-TR we can make this very very efficient [12:29] schestowitz-TR to limit the load on kaniini's hardware [12:29] schestowitz-TR later I can envison myself doing certain types of articles in TR with the same software [12:29] schestowitz-TR and the IRC log pages can be automated to that effect [12:29] schestowitz-TR gradually [12:29] schestowitz-TR maybe link pages too [12:29] schestowitz-TR time will tell, as DB usage should be restricted to nodes with [cref ] and other fancy things [12:29] schestowitz-TR if it's made "thin" enouch, pages can be served from local hosting [12:29] Techrights-sec yes that is a goal [12:29] schestowitz-TR and then larger files from media.tuxmachines.org or similar (hosted in a DC) [12:32] Techrights-sec the size of the files only affects the bandwidth not the CPU or anything else [12:32] Techrights-sec AFAIK [12:32] Techrights-sec except disk IO [12:33] schestowitz-TR the pages are not large most of the time, and I don't expect there to be any JS code inline [12:33] schestowitz-TR css can be put in external file, as is done now [12:34] Techrights-sec yes CSS can be an external file too [12:36] schestowitz-TR even an iframe for irc, where nowadays we do chats instead of comments [12:37] schestowitz-TR but there are privacy implication as we do not self-hhost the irc "applet/s" ● Jul 07 [13:07] schestowitz-TR ping [13:07] schestowitz-TR I've made a 'cheap' cron job to update every min [13:07] schestowitz-TR add some 'real life' (latest) node examples [13:07] schestowitz-TR looks good [13:07] schestowitz-TR simple and clean so far, all static [13:07] schestowitz-TR it would also make it easier to 'mass add' nodes [13:07] schestowitz-TR edit several files [13:07] schestowitz-TR then dump them all at once on the server [13:07] Techrights-sec pong [13:07] Techrights-sec working with node/1.html as a mockup [13:07] Techrights-sec too soon for cron [13:07] Techrights-sec cron won't be used in the final version anyway, that's what inotify incron is [13:07] Techrights-sec for [13:09] schestowitz-TR cron is just there to spare me manually regenerating the thing [13:09] schestowitz-TR if we use this sort of workflow, then using off-the-shift html->gemtext convertors [13:09] schestowitz-TR would be simple too [13:38] schestowitz-TR --- [13:39] schestowitz-TR yes, I noticed some minutes ago, thanks ! [13:39] schestowitz-TR making the heaings hyperlinks so that individual pages stand out on their own in the front page [13:39] schestowitz-TR heading changed to h2 as the front page has h1 at the top [13:39] schestowitz-TR changed files to shtml [13:39] schestowitz-TR I remember coding pages like this 20 years ago [13:39] schestowitz-TR like custom error pages [13:47] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [13:48] *psydroid2 has quit (connection closed) [13:49] Techrights-sec ok [13:50] schestowitz-TR I am working on Daily Links, your progress is phenomenal [13:50] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [13:58] Techrights-sec still experimenting ● Jul 07 [14:00] schestowitz-TR rianne likes it [14:00] schestowitz-TR it can hopefully make the irc channel of tuxmachines grow a "real" community [14:00] schestowitz-TR like hack-a-day [14:00] schestowitz-TR but they don't use irc, there's some other system [14:00] *techrights_guest|83 (~519aab65@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [14:04] Techrights-sec ok is there an original of the image used to produce top3.jpeg somewhere? [14:04] Techrights-sec The jpeg is full of artifacts and ought to be tidied, as well as [14:04] Techrights-sec redone for some slight layout changes [14:05] *Despatche has quit (Quit: Read error: Connection reset by deer) [14:05] schestowitz-TR if there was an original, it's long gone (it's from susan's times) [14:08] Techrights-sec it's a nice picture but the file is damaged with compression artifacts [14:31] *Despatche (~desp@u3xy9z2ifjzci.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [14:31] *Despatche has quit (connection closed) ● Jul 07 [15:45] Techrights-sec I'll let it rest a bit and consider how the script should put it together [15:45] Techrights-sec the latest.html would be generated automatically by incron [15:45] Techrights-sec the text of this one does not make much sense on its own: [15:45] Techrights-sec gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/07/miguel-de-lp/ [15:45] Techrights-sec with TM, the old site uses /node/... so it must be renamed for the new site [15:45] Techrights-sec so that the patterns used in the Rewrite Engine are simpler ● Jul 07 [16:05] schestowitz-TR back [16:05] schestowitz-TR excellent, I think that's the majority of the work done already [16:05] schestowitz-TR rss feed and adding new nodes would be next [16:05] schestowitz-TR I'll prod kaniini [16:05] Techrights-sec working on the secondary rss feeds atm [16:05] Techrights-sec rss-since-scraper.pl will be the base for that [16:05] Techrights-sec too soon for that, let's have more of a prototype first [16:07] Techrights-sec It'll take a day or two [16:07] schestowitz-TR right, I agree. ● Jul 07 [17:16] schestowitz-TR I've modified the index to sort the nodes by age last modified [17:16] schestowitz-TR so if, e.g. I added "Upd[ate" to some node, it'll show up at the top again [17:16] schestowitz-TR prior to it the list was just all nodes from past 24 hours [17:32] Techrights-sec I've added the external feed option [17:32] Techrights-sec 1.shtml [17:32] Techrights-sec It might need tweaking [17:37] schestowitz-TR aha! great idea [17:37] schestowitz-TR also reuse of our toolset [17:37] *techrights_guest|83 has quit (Quit: Connection closed) [17:43] Techrights-sec It links to the external feed, but I guess it could be modified to link to [17:43] Techrights-sec the main HTML site instead [17:45] schestowitz-TR the part that says "latest post", yes [17:45] schestowitz-TR once we have rss feeds for new tuxmachines [17:45] schestowitz-TR site querying itself for its own rss feed to present latest posts in the right sidebar, plus [17:45] schestowitz-TR it would highlight the newly modified ones if the rss feed is derived from the slice in the front page [17:45] schestowitz-TR which scans timestamps of files and sorts by them [17:57] Techrights-sec yes, that's what it's for: the site's own RSS feed [17:57] Techrights-sec I'll take a look at the scripts to create and update posts tomorrow [17:59] schestowitz-TR this will give us a ton of flexibility [17:59] schestowitz-TR drupal was not just bloated but constantly changing so any 'hacking' on the code, even if modularised, would break later [17:59] schestowitz-TR there are several ways we can make TM better [17:59] schestowitz-TR inc. building a community for discussions, likely the one in the TR IRC network ● Jul 07 [18:00] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@y7jsttnatjcu6.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [18:00] Techrights-sec you'll need much better (by orders of magnitude) curation of any IRC channe [18:00] Techrights-sec used for TM; it'll work but it will cost time and effort and need several [18:00] Techrights-sec volunteers to cover different time shifts; booting off-topic chatter [18:00] Techrights-sec will probably be essential in particular in the beginning [18:04] schestowitz-TR atm it is barely 'advertised', so it rarely gets anough momentum to get long discussions going [18:04] schestowitz-TR at our end (desktop) we'd also need to tweak some scripts, but the modifications would be minor [18:04] schestowitz-TR I reckon the old site can cope OK another 7 days before we revert back to its older and more complete state [18:04] schestowitz-TR the "missing" nodes can be downloaded algorithmically, uploaded after reverting back, then linked to with apache redirects [18:04] schestowitz-TR to avoid 404s, but those are all minor details [18:04] schestowitz-TR the lion's share of readers is the rss crowd [18:40] *techrights_guest|61 (~9246316a@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jul 07 [19:09] *DaemonFC has quit (connection closed) [19:09] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@y7jsttnatjcu6.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [19:24] *techrights_guest|61 has quit (Quit: Connection closed) ● Jul 07 [20:10] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [20:10] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jul 07 [21:21] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Jul 07 [22:54] *psydroid2 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s)