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| schestowitz__ | https://linux.slashdot.org/story/20/09/04/2218239/linusgate-debian-project-leaders-want-to-ban-linus-torvalds-for-his-manners | Sep 07 00:01 |
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| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-linux.slashdot.org | 'Linusgate': Debian Project Leaders Want To Ban Linus Torvalds For His Manners - Slashdot | Sep 07 00:01 | |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 07 00:01 |
| schestowitz__ | Artem S. Tashkinov writes: | Sep 07 00:01 |
| schestowitz__ | 253 emails have been leaked from private (high-level) mailing lists of Debian, in which its representatives vocally complain about the talk Linus Torvalds gave at the most recent DebConf conference. Some people insist that he should be permanently banned from future conferences because the language he uses is inappropriate and infringes on the project's Code of Conduct. This could set a very bad precedent for the open source | Sep 07 00:01 |
| schestowitz__ | community, which has recently seen an influx of various CoC policies applied to a number of high-profile projects mostly after very vocal concerns from the people who barely participate in the open source community. Some observers believe that it's a plot by Microsoft to destroy the open source movement from the inside. | Sep 07 00:01 |
| schestowitz__ | UPDATE: "Note: The complaints and the event itself happened in 2014," the article points out. | Sep 07 00:01 |
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| schestowitz__ | To the Debian outcriers (Score:5, Insightful) | Sep 07 00:02 |
| schestowitz__ | by franzrogar ( 3986783 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @06:05AM (#60476016) | Sep 07 00:02 |
| schestowitz__ | If you don't want to hear the naked truth, you're the one who have to fuc* off. | Sep 07 00:02 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:02 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:To the Debian outcriers (Score:3) | Sep 07 00:02 |
| schestowitz__ | by Known Nutter ( 988758 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @10:47AM (#60476532) | Sep 07 00:02 |
| schestowitz__ | If you don't want to hear the naked truth, you're the one who have to fuc* off. | Sep 07 00:02 |
| schestowitz__ | Irony: stating a group should be able to hear the naked truth, then needlessly masking one letter of the word 'fuck'. | Sep 07 00:02 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:02 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:To the Debian outcriers (Score:2) | Sep 07 00:02 |
| schestowitz__ | by DontBeAMoran ( 4843879 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @11:01AM (#60476576) | Sep 07 00:02 |
| schestowitz__ | History of the F word [youtube.com]. | Sep 07 00:02 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:02 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:To the Debian outcriers (Score:0, Troll) | Sep 07 00:02 |
| schestowitz__ | by segin ( 883667 ) <segin2005@gmail.com> on Saturday September 05, 2020 @08:05AM (#60476226) Homepage | Sep 07 00:02 |
| schestowitz__ | How about Debian fucks off instead? | Sep 07 00:02 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:02 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:To the Debian outcriers (Score:5, Insightful) | Sep 07 00:02 |
| schestowitz__ | by AleRunner ( 4556245 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @08:57AM (#60476318) | Sep 07 00:02 |
| schestowitz__ | How about Debian fucks off instead? | Sep 07 00:02 |
| schestowitz__ | This is a set of mails from 6 years ago being dug up now (presumably shit stirring as everybody's mentioned below. Around 2018 Linus himself admitted he'd gone too far and he's even added a CoC to the projects which seems like a bit of a mea-culpa. It does make me think that the CoCs aren't really being put in with proper mature thought. Is the language people use the most important thing or should the CoCs also include things | Sep 07 00:02 |
| schestowitz__ | like making sure people report any security problems they become aware of? | Sep 07 00:02 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:02 |
| schestowitz__ | Linus met a bigger bully (Score:4, Insightful) | Sep 07 00:02 |
| schestowitz__ | by drnb ( 2434720 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @03:08PM (#60477212) | Sep 07 00:02 |
| schestowitz__ | Around 2018 Linus himself admitted he'd gone too far and he's even added a CoC to the projects which seems like a bit of a mea-culpa. | Sep 07 00:03 |
| schestowitz__ | Its not a mea culpa. Its a political necessity for someone not ready to retire and who doesn't want to get "canceled". In short, Linus met a bigger bully. | Sep 07 00:03 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:03 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Linus met a bigger bully (Score:3) | Sep 07 00:03 |
| schestowitz__ | by AleRunner ( 4556245 ) on Sunday September 06, 2020 @03:50AM (#60478340) | Sep 07 00:03 |
| schestowitz__ | Its not a mea culpa. Its a political necessity for someone not ready to retire and who doesn't want to get "canceled". In short, Linus met a bigger bully. | Sep 07 00:03 |
| schestowitz__ | I suppose that's possible but I'm not totally convinced. Linus has a daughter and I got the impression around the time that he had been persuaded rather than effectively threatened. Never can tell of course, I suppose that could be a face saving explanation. Got any evidence for your comment? | Sep 07 00:03 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:03 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Linus met a bigger bully (Score:3) | Sep 07 00:03 |
| schestowitz__ | by drnb ( 2434720 ) on Sunday September 06, 2020 @01:02PM (#60479436) | Sep 07 00:03 |
| schestowitz__ | Its not a mea culpa. Its a political necessity for someone not ready to retire and who doesn't want to get "canceled". In short, Linus met a bigger bully. | Sep 07 00:03 |
| schestowitz__ | I suppose that's possible but I'm not totally convinced. Linus has a daughter and I got the impression around the time that he had been persuaded rather than effectively threatened. Never can tell of course, I suppose that could be a face saving explanation. Got any evidence for your comment? | Sep 07 00:03 |
| schestowitz__ | That CoC zealots are some of the most intolerant bullies around? Dwarfing all others? Hint: you are looking at this from the wrong angle. Linus had no choice, if he did start to rethink things that just made his compliance less painful. Even the well intending will find CoCs can go to ridiculous and unproductive extremes. | Sep 07 00:03 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:03 |
| schestowitz__ | Next release: Debian Selfrighteous Snowflakes (Score:0) | Sep 07 00:03 |
| schestowitz__ | by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 05, 2020 @10:34AM (#60476504) | Sep 07 00:03 |
| schestowitz__ | People are not perfect. People do change, especially if you don't force them. Some pigs are more equal than others. | Sep 07 00:03 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:03 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Next release: Debian Selfrighteous Snowflakes (Score:4, Interesting) | Sep 07 00:03 |
| schestowitz__ | by Q-Hack! ( 37846 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @02:09PM (#60477052) | Sep 07 00:03 |
| schestowitz__ | Has anyone actually read the comments in the Linux source code? It's full of colorful language, that doesn't meet the CoC. Shall we ban that as well? | Sep 07 00:03 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:03 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Next release: Debian Selfrighteous Snowflakes (Score:2) | Sep 07 00:03 |
| schestowitz__ | by t14m4t ( 205907 ) <weylin DOT piegorsch AT gmail DOT com> on Sunday September 06, 2020 @02:32PM (#60479668) Homepage | Sep 07 00:03 |
| schestowitz__ | Or, I dunno, patch the code to remove the offending language. | Sep 07 00:03 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:03 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:To the Debian outcriers (Score:2, Interesting) | Sep 07 00:03 |
| schestowitz__ | by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 05, 2020 @05:54PM (#60477566) | Sep 07 00:03 |
| schestowitz__ | Poorly designed codes of conduct are a very, very dangerous trap. The Arisia science fiction convention, attended for decades by open source and free software community leaders in the Boston area as an icon of alternative lifestyles and sexual identities got along for decades, founded by former staff of FTP software, the authors of the first TCP stack for Windows and the first mailing list software. (Look up Bandykin, the world's | Sep 07 00:03 |
| schestowitz__ | first mailing list, if you're curious.) But their code of conduct eventually became 8 pages of small print which every attendee *had* to sign to get their badge and be allowed into the con. It was so enormous and inconsistent that even asking someone what pronoun they preferred was considered assault. And the result was that the CoC was assumed to handle everything, until Krystal Huff and Maura Taylor publicized their date rapes | Sep 07 00:03 |
| schestowitz__ | and the casual hushups done buy the convention leaders, in violation of their own Code of Conduct. | Sep 07 00:03 |
| schestowitz__ | Codes of Conduct are often used to empower bureaucrats and avoid responsibility for one's comments, whether completely factual or not. If I say that Jessica Yaneev is a child-molesting man, for example, it's considered transgender harassment even though he abuses teenage hairdressers for refusing to do Brazilian waxes on his male genitalia, for which they've not been trained and would be liable for damaging his male genitalia. | Sep 07 00:03 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:03 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:To the Debian outcriers (Score:1) | Sep 07 00:03 |
| schestowitz__ | by cas2000 ( 148703 ) on Sunday September 06, 2020 @09:03AM (#60478752) | Sep 07 00:03 |
| schestowitz__ | If I say that Jessica Yaneev is a child-molesting man, for example, it's considered transgender harassment even though he abuses teenage hairdressers for refusing to do Brazilian waxes on his male genitalia, for which they've not been trained and would be liable for damaging his male genitalia. | Sep 07 00:03 |
| schestowitz__ | see, your problem is that you called her a man and then compounded that by calling her "he". She's not. she's transgender, presumably M->F. And Child-molestor or not, you abused her by misgendering her. So fuck you for that. | Sep 07 00:03 |
| schestowitz__ | If your accusation is true, you should have called her a child-molesting cunt. | Sep 07 00:03 |
| schestowitz__ | in short: there's no problem at all if you a) avoid gendered insults and b) you avoid being a cunt yourself by misgendering her and c) stick to provable facts. | Sep 07 00:03 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:03 |
| schestowitz__ | Re: To the Debian outcriers (Score:2) | Sep 07 00:04 |
| schestowitz__ | by Scr3wt4p3 ( 161256 ) on Sunday September 06, 2020 @10:00AM (#60478874) | Sep 07 00:04 |
| schestowitz__ | A man is an adult human male. Go cry about your identity problems somewhere else. | Sep 07 00:04 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:04 |
| schestowitz__ | Re: To the Debian outcriers (Score:1) | Sep 07 00:04 |
| schestowitz__ | by cas2000 ( 148703 ) on Sunday September 06, 2020 @10:35AM (#60479002) | Sep 07 00:04 |
| schestowitz__ | Why does what someone else chooses to call themselves bother you so much? Any sane person would say "I don't give a fuck, it's none of my business" and "it's no skin off my nose to refer to someone in the manner they prefer - it's only fucking polite". | Sep 07 00:04 |
| schestowitz__ | Are you, perhaps, worried about your own gender identity? Is it not as solid and unshakable as you would like? Does admitting even the possibility of non-binary identity scare you? Are you worried about what people will call you if they find out? | Sep 07 00:04 |
| schestowitz__ | BTW, gender is not biology - it's a social construct. And within biology, sex is not limited to a duality - "male" and "female" tell only a fraction of the story. There are many more possibilities, even within a species which has two very common sexes....there are many more combinations of sex chromosomes than just XX and XY. | Sep 07 00:04 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:04 |
| schestowitz__ | Re: To the Debian outcriers (Score:1) | Sep 07 00:04 |
| schestowitz__ | by Scr3wt4p3 ( 161256 ) on Sunday September 06, 2020 @05:37PM (#60480156) | Sep 07 00:04 |
| schestowitz__ | You are beyond stupid. Have fun being an idiot you retard. | Sep 07 00:04 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:04 |
| schestowitz__ | Re: To the Debian outcriers (Score:2) | Sep 07 00:04 |
| schestowitz__ | by loufoque ( 1400831 ) on Sunday September 06, 2020 @10:19AM (#60478942) | Sep 07 00:04 |
| schestowitz__ | Linus was made to understand that it was in his personal financial interest to be more conscious of how what he says can be used against him. | Sep 07 00:04 |
| schestowitz__ | I don't think he changed his attitude due to his own personal feelings having changed. | Sep 07 00:04 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:04 |
| schestowitz__ | Ancient History (Score:5, Interesting) | Sep 07 00:04 |
| schestowitz__ | by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 05, 2020 @06:08AM (#60476018) | Sep 07 00:04 |
| schestowitz__ | This is something which happened 6 years ago. | Sep 07 00:04 |
| schestowitz__ | Why is this presented as news now? Just someone stirring up trouble. | Sep 07 00:04 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:04 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Ancient History (Score:2) | Sep 07 00:04 |
| schestowitz__ | by burni2 ( 1643061 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @06:14AM (#60476028) | Sep 07 00:04 |
| schestowitz__ | You are right the eMails date are 2014. | Sep 07 00:04 |
| schestowitz__ | Sorry no points I cannot vote you up / might somebody with points so nice to do this instead of me? | Sep 07 00:04 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:04 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Ancient History (Score:5, Informative) | Sep 07 00:04 |
| schestowitz__ | by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 05, 2020 @07:19AM (#60476162) | Sep 07 00:04 |
| schestowitz__ | You are right the eMails date are 2014. | Sep 07 00:04 |
| schestowitz__ | Yes, someone just posted this a few minutes ago over on LinuxReviews: | Sep 07 00:04 |
| schestowitz__ | Everybody seems to gloss over the fact that this happened 6 years ago and the world didn't burn as a result. This sort of sensitive discussions are precisely why debian-private exists (it's not "high level", it's just not public outside Debian). This article tries very hard to be inflammatory by unearthing old history and presenting it as current. | Sep 07 00:04 |
| schestowitz__ | Somebody is just trying to stir up some shit. | Sep 07 00:04 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:04 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Ancient History (Score:4, Informative) | Sep 07 00:04 |
| schestowitz__ | by AmiMoJo ( 196126 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @08:55AM (#60476312) Homepage Journal | Sep 07 00:04 |
| schestowitz__ | Not only did the world not burn down, Linus actually accepted that he needed to change. | Sep 07 00:04 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:04 |
| schestowitz__ | Accepted? As if he had a choice. (Score:3) | Sep 07 00:05 |
| schestowitz__ | by drnb ( 2434720 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @03:09PM (#60477214) | Sep 07 00:05 |
| schestowitz__ | Not only did the world not burn down, Linus actually accepted that he needed to change. | Sep 07 00:05 |
| schestowitz__ | As if he had a choice | Sep 07 00:05 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:05 |
| schestowitz__ | Re: Accepted? As if he had a choice. (Score:2) | Sep 07 00:05 |
| schestowitz__ | by antus ( 6211764 ) on Sunday September 06, 2020 @01:05AM (#60478146) | Sep 07 00:05 |
| schestowitz__ | well much more recently he posted this, so it seems things have changed a lot since 2014. https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm... [kernel.org] I find it strange that there is always a middle ground but so many people on the net debate only the extremes like they are the only options. in this case either say anything or say nothing, rather than just keep it real and also respectful. its not that hard. | Sep 07 00:05 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-git.kernel.org | Kernel.org git repositories | Sep 07 00:05 | |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:05 |
| schestowitz__ | Re: Accepted? As if he had a choice. (Score:2) | Sep 07 00:05 |
| schestowitz__ | by drnb ( 2434720 ) on Sunday September 06, 2020 @01:16AM (#60478156) | Sep 07 00:05 |
| schestowitz__ | On this topic there is no middle ground. You either conform to the mob or the mob comes after you. The extremists are running this show, not the moderates. The moderates have been sufficiently roughed up to shut up or to put up the proper public facade. | Sep 07 00:05 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:05 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Ancient History (Score:-1) | Sep 07 00:05 |
| schestowitz__ | by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 05, 2020 @09:53AM (#60476418) | Sep 07 00:05 |
| schestowitz__ | ooooo/\_\ ENJOY | Sep 07 00:05 |
| schestowitz__ | oooo/././_ EVERY | Sep 07 00:05 |
| schestowitz__ | ooo/./_/\.\ SWASTIKA | Sep 07 00:05 |
| schestowitz__ | oo_\.\/..\.\ and | Sep 07 00:05 |
| schestowitz__ | o/\.\../\.\_\ HEIL | Sep 07 00:05 |
| schestowitz__ | o\.\/..\.\/_/ our | Sep 07 00:05 |
| schestowitz__ | oo\../\.\_\ great | Sep 07 00:05 |
| schestowitz__ | ooo\/_/././ FUHRER | Sep 07 00:05 |
| schestowitz__ | ooooo/././ Adolf | Sep 07 00:05 |
| schestowitz__ | ooooo\/_/ HITLER | Sep 07 00:05 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:05 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Ancient History (Score:0) | Sep 07 00:05 |
| schestowitz__ | by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 05, 2020 @12:43PM (#60476790) | Sep 07 00:05 |
| schestowitz__ | âoeBut it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother.â | Sep 07 00:05 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:05 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Ancient History (Score:1) | Sep 07 00:05 |
| schestowitz__ | by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 05, 2020 @03:38PM (#60477280) | Sep 07 00:05 |
| schestowitz__ | Caved. The word you are looking for is caved. He's a coward. He should've told them to shove it up their ass sideways. | Sep 07 00:05 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:05 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Ancient History (Score:2) | Sep 07 00:05 |
| schestowitz__ | by cas2000 ( 148703 ) on Sunday September 06, 2020 @09:12AM (#60478786) | Sep 07 00:05 |
| schestowitz__ | > Somebody is just trying to stir up some shit. | Sep 07 00:05 |
| schestowitz__ | Probably Pocock or someone connected to him. | Sep 07 00:05 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:05 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Ancient History (Score:5, Insightful) | Sep 07 00:05 |
| schestowitz__ | by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 05, 2020 @08:03AM (#60476222) | Sep 07 00:06 |
| schestowitz__ | Exactly. The summary talks about 'the most recent Debconf', no mention of 2014, it is dishonestly framed as somehow current, using weasel words to avoid direct lies. | Sep 07 00:06 |
| schestowitz__ | This entire thread is flamebait/clickbait without this context. | Sep 07 00:06 |
| schestowitz__ | This is purely aimed at getting people frothing at the mouth about Codes of Conduct, and massive shit stirring. | Sep 07 00:06 |
| schestowitz__ | Pathetic. | Sep 07 00:06 |
| schestowitz__ | If it started with ''six years ago, Linus spoke at Debconf, now some emails have leaked...' it would have been honest but basically a minor footnote in history. | Sep 07 00:06 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:06 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Ancient History (Score:4, Insightful) | Sep 07 00:06 |
| schestowitz__ | by Vlad_the_Inhaler ( 32958 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @08:18AM (#60476258) Homepage | Sep 07 00:06 |
| schestowitz__ | Things are not *quite* that simple - I do remember Linus himself saying he needed to be a bit less inflammatory in his comments - something which was reported here at the time - and it may well have been around this time. It was certainly several years ago and I suppose this argument could have been a contributory factor. | Sep 07 00:06 |
| schestowitz__ | Whatever, the whole business is years ago and another indication that the /. overlords have become very sloppy in their acceptance of submissions. I suppose you could say this story is a Dupe from 2014, although I no longer remember whether those emails were cited then. | Sep 07 00:06 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:06 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Ancient History (Score:5, Interesting) | Sep 07 00:06 |
| schestowitz__ | by Z80a ( 971949 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @10:27AM (#60476486) | Sep 07 00:06 |
| schestowitz__ | That's how those "witchhunts" happen. | Sep 07 00:06 |
| schestowitz__ | They will dig shit you said as a literal kid on the internet and whine until you get fired. | Sep 07 00:06 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:06 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Ancient History (Score:2) | Sep 07 00:06 |
| schestowitz__ | by gbjbaanb ( 229885 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @11:25AM (#60476626) | Sep 07 00:06 |
| schestowitz__ | I suppose a small but vocal group of people who barely participate trying to tell everyone else what to do are, unfortunately, constantly newsworthy in these times. | Sep 07 00:06 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:06 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Ancient History (Score:4, Insightful) | Sep 07 00:06 |
| schestowitz__ | by HiThere ( 15173 ) <(ten.knilhtrae) (ta) (nsxihselrahc)> on Saturday September 05, 2020 @11:48AM (#60476662) | Sep 07 00:06 |
| schestowitz__ | OK. OTOH, I'm still upset about the way they included systemd, and that happened awhile ago, too. | Sep 07 00:06 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:06 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Ancient History (Score:2) | Sep 07 00:06 |
| schestowitz__ | by PPH ( 736903 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @11:55AM (#60476686) | Sep 07 00:06 |
| schestowitz__ | It's almost as if we are married to them. The way they keep bringing up old stuff. | Sep 07 00:06 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:06 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Ancient History (Score:2) | Sep 07 00:06 |
| schestowitz__ | by HotNeedleOfInquiry ( 598897 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @12:26PM (#60476746) | Sep 07 00:06 |
| schestowitz__ | Because Torvalds is an old white male with power. | Sep 07 00:06 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:06 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Ancient History (Score:2, Insightful) | Sep 07 00:06 |
| schestowitz__ | by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 05, 2020 @12:36PM (#60476772) | Sep 07 00:06 |
| schestowitz__ | The Social Justice nutters having scored a victory not so long ago... are now doing what everyone knew they would do... going for the kill. | Sep 07 00:06 |
| schestowitz__ | Never let them into any projects and never let their wretched codes of conduct in either. The code will be used to remove you from your own project. | Sep 07 00:06 |
| schestowitz__ | The result will be you ousted and your project in flames as it ends up staffed with intersectional nutcases whose only skill is slander. | Sep 07 00:06 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:06 |
| schestowitz__ | Re: Ancient History (Score:2) | Sep 07 00:06 |
| schestowitz__ | by Fembot ( 442827 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @01:31PM (#60476924) | Sep 07 00:07 |
| schestowitz__ | Which is exactly what has happened to torvalds in the 6 years that have passed since this thread. QED | Sep 07 00:07 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:07 |
| schestowitz__ | Re: Ancient History (Score:0) | Sep 07 00:07 |
| schestowitz__ | by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 05, 2020 @03:06PM (#60477208) | Sep 07 00:07 |
| schestowitz__ | This thread was 6 years ago. | Sep 07 00:07 |
| schestowitz__ | Torvald's crucifixion wasn't 6 years ago - it was late 2018. It's ongoing and the nails are being hammered in every day since. | Sep 07 00:07 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:07 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Ancient History (Score:0) | Sep 07 00:07 |
| schestowitz__ | by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 05, 2020 @06:02PM (#60477574) | Sep 07 00:07 |
| schestowitz__ | No, no, Eric S. Raymond's claim that the sjw's were trying to frame open source leaders with sex didn't pan out. So Eric's "trustworthy friend" who "informed him in confidence, but with uncertainty" cooked up another scheme. | Sep 07 00:07 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:07 |
| schestowitz__ | Re: Ancient History (Score:0) | Sep 07 00:07 |
| schestowitz__ | by NawShucksNo ( 6897042 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @06:24AM (#60476050) | Sep 07 00:07 |
| schestowitz__ | Sounds like it is because the emails just leaked. Its pretty obvious from the summary that the event took place is the past but the story is that there are more details about his behavior how it was handled. | Sep 07 00:07 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:07 |
| schestowitz__ | Re: Ancient History (Score:5, Interesting) | Sep 07 00:07 |
| schestowitz__ | by Mr. Dollar Ton ( 5495648 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @06:40AM (#60476092) | Sep 07 00:07 |
| schestowitz__ | It isn't at all obvious from the summary that the events are from years ago. Quite the opposite, TFS reads as if these are very current events. | Sep 07 00:07 |
| schestowitz__ | 'Linusgate': Debian Project Leaders Want To Ban Linus Torvalds For His Manners | Sep 07 00:07 |
| schestowitz__ | 253 emails have been leaked from private (high-level) mailing lists of Debian, in which its representatives vocally complain about the talk Linus Torvalds gave at the most recent DebConf conference. Some people insist that he should be permanently banned from future conferences because the language he uses is inappropriate and infringes on the project's Code of Conduct. This could set a very bad precedent for the open source | Sep 07 00:07 |
| schestowitz__ | community, which has recently seen an influx of various CoC policies applied to a number of high-profile projects mostly after very vocal concerns from the people who barely participate in the open source community. Some observers believe that it's a plot by Microsoft to destroy the open source movement from the inside. | Sep 07 00:07 |
| schestowitz__ | To me it reads like recent news and a discussion of a topic that submittard perceives as a very real, future threat. | Sep 07 00:07 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:07 |
| schestowitz__ | Re: Ancient History (Score:5, Insightful) | Sep 07 00:07 |
| schestowitz__ | by Rip!ey ( 599235 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @07:58AM (#60476214) | Sep 07 00:07 |
| schestowitz__ | It depends on which link in the /. summary you click on and read. One gives a date of "03 September, 2014," which is clearly the real time frame for the emails, while the other gives the date as "Published 2020-09-03." From here, you can follow the chain to http://techrights.org/2020/09/... [techrights.org] | Sep 07 00:07 |
| schestowitz__ | So who exactly is Dr. Roy Schestowitz and techrights.org, and why should anybody care either way? Is there a known axe being ground here? | Sep 07 00:07 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:07 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | 2020 September | Techrights | Sep 07 00:07 | |
| schestowitz__ | Re: Ancient History (Score:1) | Sep 07 00:07 |
| schestowitz__ | by BarbaraHudson ( 3785311 ) <barbara.jane.hud ... m ['d.c' in gap]> on Saturday September 05, 2020 @10:07AM (#60476452) Journal | Sep 07 00:07 |
| schestowitz__ | Maybe it's time that people abandon Debian as a base distro. FreeBSD, while not Linux, is better anyway, no systemd, no Leonnart, | Sep 07 00:07 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:07 |
| schestowitz__ | Re: Ancient History (Score:2) | Sep 07 00:07 |
| schestowitz__ | by Mr. Dollar Ton ( 5495648 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @10:14AM (#60476460) | Sep 07 00:07 |
| schestowitz__ | Maybe it's time that people get a mandatory feedback loop installed instead of going rail to rail, if you pardon my French. | Sep 07 00:07 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:07 |
| schestowitz__ | Re: Ancient History (Score:3, Informative) | Sep 07 00:07 |
| schestowitz__ | by drinkypoo ( 153816 ) <martin.espinoza@gmail.com> on Saturday September 05, 2020 @10:33AM (#60476502) Homepage Journal | Sep 07 00:07 |
| schestowitz__ | Linux's driver support makes the BSDs look like a sad joke. | Sep 07 00:07 |
| schestowitz__ | As I want hardware to work, I will continue to use Linux. | Sep 07 00:08 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:08 |
| schestowitz__ | Re: Ancient History (Score:2) | Sep 07 00:08 |
| schestowitz__ | by SuricouRaven ( 1897204 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @06:20PM (#60477602) | Sep 07 00:08 |
| schestowitz__ | Also no drivers for a lot of common hardware, and a comparatively limited software library. It's fundamentally a sound operating system, but lags a few years behind linux. Fixing that would take a heavy investment of developer-time. | Sep 07 00:08 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:08 |
| schestowitz__ | Re: Ancient History (Score:1) | Sep 07 00:08 |
| schestowitz__ | by LaminarFlow ( 6246940 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @06:40PM (#60477630) | Sep 07 00:08 |
| schestowitz__ | Agree, BSD is much better than linux, but does lack many critical drivers | Sep 07 00:08 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:08 |
| schestowitz__ | Re: Ancient History (Score:1) | Sep 07 00:08 |
| schestowitz__ | by NawShucksNo ( 6897042 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @07:27AM (#60476172) | Sep 07 00:08 |
| schestowitz__ | I missed the âoemost recentâ part. Thatâ(TM)s wrong. Obviously. But release of emails describing his behavior and how the situation was handled is important to share. Is the release of these emails a dup or are they just old? | Sep 07 00:08 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:08 |
| schestowitz__ | Re: Ancient History (Score:0) | Sep 07 00:08 |
| schestowitz__ | by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 05, 2020 @10:49AM (#60476542) | Sep 07 00:08 |
| schestowitz__ | I missed the Ãoemost recentà part. ThatÃ(TM)s wrong. Obviously. But release of emails describing his behavior and how the situation was handled is important to share. Is the release of these emails a dup or are they just old? | Sep 07 00:08 |
| schestowitz__ | You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means. | Sep 07 00:08 |
| schestowitz__ | You say it is obviously old, when the only date shown is of today, and the only tense used is present and future, nothing at all in the summary related to the past. | Sep 07 00:08 |
| schestowitz__ | You say this "news" is good, but now it is obviously wrong. | Sep 07 00:08 |
| schestowitz__ | Now you ask how old the email leak was. It is two clicks. TWO CLICKS to see it was in 2014. | Sep 07 00:08 |
| schestowitz__ | I would say it is obvious this doesn't matter. You don't care, won't bother reading, won't bother replying with any comments even remotely related to the topic at hand, and will state as true things that you seemingly just assumed. If you won't even read about it here when links are given to you, I seriously doubt you read about it elsewhere. | Sep 07 00:08 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:08 |
| schestowitz__ | Re: Ancient History (Score:0) | Sep 07 00:08 |
| schestowitz__ | by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 05, 2020 @05:58PM (#60477572) | Sep 07 00:08 |
| schestowitz__ | Because social justice warriors graduate or flunk out or hit 25 and their biological father no longer has to provide college money, and the next generation of kids without jobs need to be radicalized. This has been going since long before I was born: how do you think the Communist Party started? | Sep 07 00:08 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:08 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Ancient History (Score:1) | Sep 07 00:08 |
| schestowitz__ | by kappuchino ( 4967051 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @09:53AM (#60476416) | Sep 07 00:08 |
| schestowitz__ | Thats was too much even for my lazy a**. I looked up my passwords in three places to post and comment about this. I created one other account and edited the first sentence in linux reviews, even if i get blocked or kickbanned, I don't care. Working for a newsagency we learned over and over that *omitting time, date and the specific place* (like the 2014 debian conference) is no only wrong but considered deceitful. | Sep 07 00:08 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:08 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Ancient History (Score:1) | Sep 07 00:08 |
| schestowitz__ | by pittendrigh ( 223940 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @07:22PM (#60477700) Homepage | Sep 07 00:08 |
| schestowitz__ | Asperger's | Sep 07 00:08 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:08 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Ancient History (Score:0) | Sep 07 00:08 |
| schestowitz__ | by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 05, 2020 @10:49PM (#60477962) | Sep 07 00:08 |
| schestowitz__ | Because people are so insanely fragile and poorly equipped to deal with real life they are banning together and trying to turn the entire world in to a kindergarteners safe space. Which they have mostly done, so now they have to look back in time to find people to chastize. | Sep 07 00:08 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:08 |
| schestowitz__ | Twitter was a mistake (Score:4, Insightful) | Sep 07 00:08 |
| schestowitz__ | by beepsky ( 6008348 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @06:15AM (#60476030) | Sep 07 00:09 |
| schestowitz__ | Twitter was a mistake | Sep 07 00:09 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:09 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Twitter was a mistake (Score:0) | Sep 07 00:09 |
| schestowitz__ | by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 05, 2020 @03:14PM (#60477226) | Sep 07 00:09 |
| schestowitz__ | A God-awful mistake. I don't know how Jack Dorsey sleeps at night. I suppose he thinks giving some money to charity is adequate amends for the chaos he has wrought on society. | Sep 07 00:09 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:09 |
| schestowitz__ | Old news (Score:5, Informative) | Sep 07 00:09 |
| schestowitz__ | by tramp ( 68773 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @06:15AM (#60476034) | Sep 07 00:09 |
| schestowitz__ | Look at the date: Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2014 12:29:32 +0100 The world and even Linus has changed in the past six years. Nothing to see here. | Sep 07 00:09 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:09 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Old news (Score:4, Interesting) | Sep 07 00:09 |
| schestowitz__ | by sfcat ( 872532 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @06:46AM (#60476110) | Sep 07 00:09 |
| schestowitz__ | Look at the date: Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2014 12:29:32 +0100 The world and even Linus has changed in the past six years. Nothing to see here. | Sep 07 00:09 |
| schestowitz__ | I think what has changed here is that the names of those that complained 6 years ago have now been released. What happens from that is anybodies guess. If I ran a large open source project, I would probably use lists like this as purge lists for my project. You can pretty much bet that whoever complained the most or the loudest probably contributes nothing to the project except emails. Also, helps me setup email filters to | Sep 07 00:09 |
| schestowitz__ | send to identify irrelevant emails to send to folders I never read. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. | Sep 07 00:09 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:09 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Old news (Score:5, Insightful) | Sep 07 00:09 |
| schestowitz__ | by Halo1 ( 136547 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @07:12AM (#60476150) | Sep 07 00:09 |
| schestowitz__ | I think what has changed here is that the names of those that complained 6 years ago have now been released. | Sep 07 00:09 |
| schestowitz__ | The summary claims it's about a speech that Linus gave at the most recent DebConf conference though, which is clearly false. It mainly seems like someone trying to start a flamewar about CoCs. Too bad we can't mod stories as flamebait. | Sep 07 00:09 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:09 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Old news (Score:3) | Sep 07 00:09 |
| schestowitz__ | by drinkypoo ( 153816 ) <martin.espinoza@gmail.com> on Saturday September 05, 2020 @01:41PM (#60476954) Homepage Journal | Sep 07 00:09 |
| schestowitz__ | Have we all lost the ability to tag stories? I seem to have. | Sep 07 00:09 |
| schestowitz__ | Maybe I "abused" it, from the viewpoint of Slashdot staff, by tagging stories accurately? | Sep 07 00:09 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:09 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Old news (Score:2) | Sep 07 00:09 |
| schestowitz__ | by ceoyoyo ( 59147 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @02:54PM (#60477176) | Sep 07 00:09 |
| schestowitz__ | I'd love to hear that speech though. | Sep 07 00:09 |
| schestowitz__ | I remember this happening at the time (2014... damn), but my impression was that it was just bitc... uh, whinging about e-mails or something. | Sep 07 00:09 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:09 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Old news (Score:1) | Sep 07 00:09 |
| schestowitz__ | by AmiMoJo ( 196126 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @09:00AM (#60476320) Homepage Journal | Sep 07 00:09 |
| schestowitz__ | Is cancelling them the right thing to do? I thought cancel culture was bad? | Sep 07 00:09 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:09 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Old news (Score:2) | Sep 07 00:09 |
| schestowitz__ | by sfcat ( 872532 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @10:56AM (#60476558) | Sep 07 00:09 |
| schestowitz__ | Is cancelling them the right thing to do? I thought cancel culture was bad? | Sep 07 00:09 |
| schestowitz__ | Because losing ones job vs the git commit privs on an open source project is the same thing? Whataboutism much? | Sep 07 00:09 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:10 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Old news (Score:2) | Sep 07 00:10 |
| schestowitz__ | by AmiMoJo ( 196126 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @12:17PM (#60476724) Homepage Journal | Sep 07 00:10 |
| schestowitz__ | How about getting booted off Twitter? | Sep 07 00:10 |
| schestowitz__ | I need to know where the line is because apparently being banned from Twitter is a crime against humanity. | Sep 07 00:10 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:10 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Old news (Score:0) | Sep 07 00:10 |
| schestowitz__ | by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 05, 2020 @04:47PM (#60477452) | Sep 07 00:10 |
| schestowitz__ | How about getting modded down into oblivion? | Sep 07 00:10 |
| schestowitz__ | That’s been your definition of cancel culture for awhile. | Sep 07 00:10 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:10 |
| schestowitz__ | Re: Old news (Score:-1) | Sep 07 00:10 |
| schestowitz__ | by incredibale ( 6423628 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @05:09PM (#60477494) | Sep 07 00:10 |
| schestowitz__ | Yeah, I think it's a crying shame that Twitter explicitly allows pedophiles (MAPs) and violent communists to operate freely while banning conservatives and otherwise normal people for arbitrary reasons. Keep being a dishonest dingus. | Sep 07 00:10 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:10 |
| schestowitz__ | Re: Old news (Score:0) | Sep 07 00:10 |
| schestowitz__ | by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 05, 2020 @05:22PM (#60477532) | Sep 07 00:10 |
| schestowitz__ | Please give an example of a "conservative" banned for an "Arbitrary" reason. And be aware, it'll be extremely telling if you either pick one that was banned for obviously non-arbitrary reasons like misusing their verified badge to pretend to be other people, or if you describe a neo-nazi as a "conservative" and a "normal person". | Sep 07 00:10 |
| schestowitz__ | Twitter is full of conservatives, including some with some extremely repellent views. But those there neither directly propose fascism, nor do they violate Twitter's ToS. | Sep 07 00:10 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:10 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Old news (Score:0) | Sep 07 00:10 |
| schestowitz__ | by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 05, 2020 @10:49AM (#60476540) | Sep 07 00:10 |
| schestowitz__ | Hurr Durr. | Sep 07 00:10 |
| schestowitz__ | No, you stupid communist retard. | Sep 07 00:10 |
| schestowitz__ | Cancelling is what lynch mobs, without authority, do to persons in positions of power to enforce their ideological purity through blackmail and threats. | Sep 07 00:10 |
| schestowitz__ | If you're in charge of a project and remove someone who's disruptive that's NOT cancel "culture". That's doing your job. | Sep 07 00:10 |
| schestowitz__ | NYTimes firing Jayson Blair for fabricating stories - NOT cancel culture (though I'm sure you'd think it was). | Sep 07 00:10 |
| schestowitz__ | NYTimes ombudsman Bari Weiss forced to resign by bullying and blackmail of her fellow employees - Cancel Culture (though I'm sure you think that was social justice) | Sep 07 00:10 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:10 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Old news (Score:1) | Sep 07 00:10 |
| schestowitz__ | by tender-matser ( 938909 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @11:00AM (#60476574) | Sep 07 00:10 |
| schestowitz__ | If I ran a large open source project, I would probably use lists like this as purge lists for my project. | Sep 07 00:10 |
| schestowitz__ | But you don't run any open source project. | Sep 07 00:10 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:10 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Old news (Score:2) | Sep 07 00:10 |
| schestowitz__ | by hcs_$reboot ( 1536101 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @09:20AM (#60476368) | Sep 07 00:10 |
| schestowitz__ | That's exactly 6 years ago! The story must have been sucked from "This Day On Slashdot"! | Sep 07 00:10 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:10 |
| schestowitz__ | Re: Old news (Score:-1, Troll) | Sep 07 00:10 |
| schestowitz__ | by NawShucksNo ( 6897042 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @06:29AM (#60476058) | Sep 07 00:10 |
| schestowitz__ | Good. Than no harm comes from discussing how terrible he used to be. A great lesson for current and future programmers as well other event leaders to learn from. | Sep 07 00:11 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:11 |
| schestowitz__ | Re: Old news (Score:1) | Sep 07 00:11 |
| schestowitz__ | by DigiShaman ( 671371 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @08:03AM (#60476220) Homepage | Sep 07 00:11 |
| schestowitz__ | Don't be a little bitch. If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen. | Sep 07 00:11 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:11 |
| schestowitz__ | Wait! (Score:2) | Sep 07 00:11 |
| schestowitz__ | by thegarbz ( 1787294 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @06:18AM (#60476040) | Sep 07 00:11 |
| schestowitz__ | I need to make some popcorn for this discussion! | Sep 07 00:11 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:11 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Wait! (Score:3) | Sep 07 00:11 |
| schestowitz__ | by Fly Swatter ( 30498 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @07:01AM (#60476134) Homepage | Sep 07 00:11 |
| schestowitz__ | You had six years, I hope that popcorn had preservatives. | Sep 07 00:11 |
| schestowitz__ | (posts above explain this is quite old news) | Sep 07 00:11 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:11 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Wait! (Score:2) | Sep 07 00:11 |
| schestowitz__ | by thegarbz ( 1787294 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @09:09AM (#60476342) | Sep 07 00:11 |
| schestowitz__ | You had six years, I hope that popcorn had preservatives. | Sep 07 00:11 |
| schestowitz__ | (posts above explain this is quite old news) | Sep 07 00:11 |
| schestowitz__ | I know, but the age of news is quite irrelevant to a decent Slashdot argument. Check it out, this story about something 6 years old is the second most heavily commented on the front page, 78 posts bitching and counting, and the story's only been here for an hour or so. | Sep 07 00:11 |
| schestowitz__ | *eats some of that popcorn* | Sep 07 00:11 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:11 |
| schestowitz__ | Barely Participate? (Score:2) | Sep 07 00:11 |
| schestowitz__ | by h33t l4x0r ( 4107715 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @06:31AM (#60476062) | Sep 07 00:11 |
| schestowitz__ | ...vocal concerns from the people who barely participate in the open source community | Sep 07 00:11 |
| schestowitz__ | Tell that to my Coffee Mug [zazzle.com]. | Sep 07 00:11 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:11 |
| schestowitz__ | Re: Barely Participate? (Score:2) | Sep 07 00:11 |
| schestowitz__ | by e3m4n ( 947977 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @07:05AM (#60476138) | Sep 07 00:11 |
| schestowitz__ | Reminds me of this comic | Sep 07 00:11 |
| schestowitz__ | https://i.redd.it/yktd04f3igu0... [i.redd.it] | Sep 07 00:11 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 404 @ https://i.redd.it/yktd04f3igu0 ) | Sep 07 00:11 | |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:11 |
| schestowitz__ | who could imagine (Score:5, Interesting) | Sep 07 00:11 |
| schestowitz__ | by AbRASiON ( 589899 ) * on Saturday September 05, 2020 @06:36AM (#60476078) Journal | Sep 07 00:11 |
| schestowitz__ | That BeauHD would introduce one of the social justice headlines to slashdot again. | Sep 07 00:11 |
| schestowitz__ | Whomever pointed this out a few years ago, I don't know if I should curse or reward you. It's very clear BeauHD has very particular sources of news and social justice may even be more important than technology to him. | Sep 07 00:11 |
| schestowitz__ | Be warned before clicking such links or giving merit to this junk. | Sep 07 00:11 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:11 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:who could imagine (Score:3) | Sep 07 00:11 |
| schestowitz__ | by thegarbz ( 1787294 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @09:11AM (#60476346) | Sep 07 00:11 |
| schestowitz__ | That BeauHD would introduce one of the social justice headlines to slashdot again. | Sep 07 00:12 |
| schestowitz__ | What do you mean again? Slashdot headlines have been consistently clickbait rubbish for years now. | Sep 07 00:12 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:12 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:who could imagine (Score:2) | Sep 07 00:12 |
| schestowitz__ | by gbjbaanb ( 229885 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @11:29AM (#60476634) | Sep 07 00:12 |
| schestowitz__ | yes, but now they're social justice clickbait links. | Sep 07 00:12 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:12 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:who could imagine (Score:2) | Sep 07 00:12 |
| schestowitz__ | by AbRASiON ( 589899 ) * on Saturday September 05, 2020 @09:03PM (#60477848) Journal | Sep 07 00:12 |
| schestowitz__ | Yes and no - but the social justice slant is only by a couple of editors here. | Sep 07 00:12 |
| schestowitz__ | I'm sure there's some of here who are old chauvinist, reluctant to change, grognars. There's also run of the mill critical thinkers who don't care for this shit and don't think it belongs here. | Sep 07 00:12 |
| schestowitz__ | There's also a slim amount of the social justice types here, thank god they don't have a stranglehold on the site and 9 times out of 10 their idiot articles get shot to pieces in the comments. | Sep 07 00:12 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:12 |
| schestowitz__ | Debian Politics (Score:5, Insightful) | Sep 07 00:12 |
| schestowitz__ | by Elixon ( 832904 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @06:37AM (#60476088) Homepage Journal | Sep 07 00:12 |
| schestowitz__ | Debian has been lately going very political! Now Debian weighs in on issues like gender equality, proper language... Did they forget they are software project and not an activist movement? | Sep 07 00:12 |
| schestowitz__ | I don't care about what they consider as "an issues". It honestly repels me what are they focusing on. If they continue I will look for some other friendly, tolerant Linux community that focuses solely on software. | Sep 07 00:12 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:12 |
| schestowitz__ | Re: Debian Politics (Score:2) | Sep 07 00:12 |
| schestowitz__ | by e3m4n ( 947977 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @07:09AM (#60476146) | Sep 07 00:12 |
| schestowitz__ | Fuck tolerance, thats the phrase that started that ball rolling. How about just being Switzerland? | Sep 07 00:12 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:12 |
| schestowitz__ | Re: Debian Politics (Score:1) | Sep 07 00:12 |
| schestowitz__ | by serviscope_minor ( 664417 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @07:41AM (#60476186) Journal | Sep 07 00:12 |
| schestowitz__ | . How about just being Switzerland? | Sep 07 00:12 |
| schestowitz__ | Yeah be "neutral" on the topic of genocide and hoard the stolen loot while being neutral. Also act smug when everyone else does the hard work for you and saves your ass. If the axis had won, Switzerland would have been surrounded on all sides, that would not have been sustainable. | Sep 07 00:12 |
| schestowitz__ | So yeah fuck that. How about being a force for good rather than profiting from evil? | Sep 07 00:12 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:12 |
| schestowitz__ | Re: Debian Politics (Score:3) | Sep 07 00:12 |
| schestowitz__ | by e3m4n ( 947977 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @08:18AM (#60476260) | Sep 07 00:12 |
| schestowitz__ | Its a metaphor, and in this case, social justice has no business in advancing technology. Hell the very concept of people getting butt hurt over words like fuck, I find annoying. Im not religious, so I find the stupid parable of the forbidden fruit, well, pretty stupid. So throughout society we deliberately invent words we are never supposed to say? Why invent a word if we are to never use it? Thats why they are called words. | Sep 07 00:12 |
| schestowitz__ | Thats what they do. | Sep 07 00:12 |
| schestowitz__ | When it comes to advancing scientific research or technology, I really dont give a rats ass if youre a misogynistic bastard or not. Leave it at the door, at this place, everyone is sexless. Dont dip your pen in company ink so to speak. | Sep 07 00:12 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:12 |
| schestowitz__ | Re: Debian Politics (Score:0, Troll) | Sep 07 00:12 |
| schestowitz__ | by serviscope_minor ( 664417 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @11:12AM (#60476606) Journal | Sep 07 00:12 |
| schestowitz__ | Its a metaphor, | Sep 07 00:12 |
| schestowitz__ | It's a really bad metaphor because the Swiss aided evil and profited from it while letting everyone else fight against it. So we should ignore major problems because... reasons? | Sep 07 00:12 |
| schestowitz__ | social justice has no business in advancing technology. | Sep 07 00:12 |
| schestowitz__ | You're stating mere opinion as incontrovertible fact. I, clearly, disagree with you. I think that "all is required for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing (E. Burke)". | Sep 07 00:12 |
| schestowitz__ | Hell the very concept of people getting butt hurt over words like fuck, I find annoying. | Sep 07 00:13 |
| schestowitz__ | Okey dokey. | Sep 07 00:13 |
| schestowitz__ | Im not religious, so I find the stupid parable of the forbidden fruit, well, pretty stupid. So throughout society we deliberately invent words we are never supposed to say? Why invent a word if we are to never use it? Thats why they are called words. Thats what they do. | Sep 07 00:13 |
| schestowitz__ | I'm not religious either, but if you think barking racial slurs is OK because "deliberately inventing words we are never supposed to say" is "stupid", then you'll need to find a forum I don't control in order to do so. Many, many people in and out of the OSS community hold the same position I do. So do it on your own time and own dime, but don't expect people to pretend you're just a great guy and want to associate with you | Sep 07 00:13 |
| schestowitz__ | outside those times. | Sep 07 00:13 |
| schestowitz__ | Btw we did not go into the European theatre over genocide. We went in to support allies who were being invaded. The morality of genocide did not arise until much later. Your confusing hindsight with foresight. Most people had no clue. | Sep 07 00:13 |
| schestowitz__ | People indeed had no clue about the scale or utter horror of the genocide, but they knew Hitler was basically an evil dictator and had to be stopped. Switzerland let everyone else do the hard work of stopping the axis while profiting under the guise of neutrality. Also in the case of the Swiss, the ignorance was wilful because the Nazis shipped slave labourers and holocaust victims through Switzerland. They knew and still did | Sep 07 00:13 |
| schestowitz__ | nothing. | Sep 07 00:13 |
| schestowitz__ | You can keep neutrality. | Sep 07 00:13 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:13 |
| schestowitz__ | Re: Debian Politics (Score:3) | Sep 07 00:13 |
| schestowitz__ | by drinkypoo ( 153816 ) <martin.espinoza@gmail.com> on Saturday September 05, 2020 @12:24PM (#60476736) Homepage Journal | Sep 07 00:13 |
| schestowitz__ | I don't think social justice is really about advancing technology, but social justice has a place in technology projects. | Sep 07 00:13 |
| schestowitz__ | If you think about it, Software Freedom is about social justice. The ability to truly own your equipment is democratizing. Take the router software situation for example. | Sep 07 00:13 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:13 |
| schestowitz__ | Re: Debian Politics (Score:3) | Sep 07 00:13 |
| schestowitz__ | by e3m4n ( 947977 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @02:50PM (#60477160) | Sep 07 00:13 |
| schestowitz__ | gender neutral bathrooms, identity politics, whether or not kevin hart should be boycot for life for making a gay joke in 2003, how eating meat is a worse crime than the 6 million jews killed during the haulocaust.. all it serves to do is kick people out that might have been the epoc level genius that propelled you 3 dacades in just a few weeks. People are so caught up in this shit they forgot how to actually work. They're too | Sep 07 00:13 |
| schestowitz__ | busy being triggered every time they turn around. Nobody knows how to grow thick skin. Everyone has a chip on their shoulder and claims offended at anything they disagree with or dont like. Maybe Israel had it right, every citizen spends 2 years in service of the IDF. A little boot camp will straighten a lot of people out. Right now its gone so far off track its run off the rails completely. If you dont start putting your foot | Sep 07 00:13 |
| schestowitz__ | down and telling people to stick to relevant topics, you'll end up kicking useful people off the project leaving only the loud, vocal, minority who adds very little productive skill to anything, as they are too busy putting on their SJW fatiques and beret. You'll end up with a company or project full of Telephone Sanitizers (Douglas Adams reference) | Sep 07 00:13 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:13 |
| schestowitz__ | Re: Debian Politics (Score:2) | Sep 07 00:13 |
| schestowitz__ | by drinkypoo ( 153816 ) <martin.espinoza@gmail.com> on Saturday September 05, 2020 @03:18PM (#60477236) Homepage Journal | Sep 07 00:13 |
| schestowitz__ | Mandatory military service creates more problems than it solves. If anything, there ought to be mandatory social service. | Sep 07 00:13 |
| schestowitz__ | If living under Covid conditions has taught me anything, it's that most people are 'B' Arkers. When only people with essential jobs are driving around, there's practically no traffic. More of those people are paying attention, too. Maybe it's that people are going to work in serious and/or dangerous conditions and/or professions, so they're sober. | Sep 07 00:13 |
| schestowitz__ | Put your foot down if you must, but then pivot on your heel and move to a conversation that advances something. Complaining that some people want to not consume certain products or media for ideological reasons is a waste of time. That's always been how it worked. I'd rather people do or don't watch a comedian because of their content than because of the color of their skin. Even if they're wrong at least they're trying — | Sep 07 00:13 |
| schestowitz__ | thinking even if they're failing. Having these arguments is how we advance civilization. We try things out, and some of them don't work. Then we try some other things. | Sep 07 00:13 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:13 |
| schestowitz__ | Re: Debian Politics (Score:2) | Sep 07 00:13 |
| schestowitz__ | by e3m4n ( 947977 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @04:20PM (#60477388) | Sep 07 00:13 |
| schestowitz__ | its not that they dont want to watch a comedian, a very tiny but extremely vocal minority abused technology to make it look like millions of people were going to refuse to watch the awards if he hosted it based on some comment over a decade ago. Just once I would like to see these companies stand up and say do whatever the hell you feel best, just so we can get a real report that these fake assholes really WILL continue to | Sep 07 00:13 |
| schestowitz__ | consume even when they dont get their way. But its even worse in a lot of workplaces anymore. So many people are leaving companies because the internal politics is driving them away. A vast majority of that politics is SJW shit. Cannot have a legitimate work conversation without someone derailing it and talking about SJW for an hour and a half instead. Lets stop all production for yet another day so we can beat a dead horse about | Sep 07 00:13 |
| schestowitz__ | sensitivity training. I have always said I never understood discrimination in the workplace. As an owner, my job would be to make as much money as possible without compromising quality. I dont care if my employee had blue skin and drank spoiled milk, so long as he made me a shit ton of money doing it. To me the idea of systematically creating issues with everyone in the workplace that has a different opinion than you, until they | Sep 07 00:13 |
| schestowitz__ | feel they have to go work elsewhere, is just as toxic and just as bad as any other form of racism or discrimination. If your company makes new state of the art capacitors, then conversations really should revolve around oscilloscopes, new metaloids and semiconductors, at most some new movie that just came out, and maybe how you just got back from vacation to XYZ. This sort of other crap is going to single handily break moores law | Sep 07 00:13 |
| schestowitz__ | all by itself just by grinding productivity to a hault. No room for virtue signalling, no room for politics, no room for religion, leave that crap at the front door. You would think in 2020 people would know certain topics to just avoid. You dont go into the holidays with extended family discussing politics and/or religion, and thats family. With mere associates, it should be even more clear. And at the same time, if somone does | Sep 07 00:13 |
| schestowitz__ | come out with a 'boy trump is a complete fucking idiot' or 'biden is just looking to hook up his heroin addicted son up with another CEO job he is unqualified for' .... have thick skin and just keep talking about the relevant crap you're there to work on anyway. | Sep 07 00:13 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:13 |
| schestowitz__ | Re: Debian Politics (Score:2) | Sep 07 00:13 |
| schestowitz__ | by Antique Geekmeister ( 740220 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @06:08PM (#60477582) | Sep 07 00:13 |
| schestowitz__ | > Mandatory military service creates more problems than it solves. If anything, there ought to be mandatory social service. | Sep 07 00:13 |
| schestowitz__ | Do be careful. Robert A. Heinlein suggested just this to earn voting rights, in "Starship Troopers". It wasn't mandatory, but to vote or run for elected office it was necessary. The idea is held up by many far left radicals as proof that Robert A. Heinlein was a sexist fascist, despite the amazing women, homosexuals, and transgender people in his later stories when editors would actually publish them. | Sep 07 00:14 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:14 |
| schestowitz__ | Re: Debian Politics (Score:2) | Sep 07 00:14 |
| schestowitz__ | by serviscope_minor ( 664417 ) on Sunday September 06, 2020 @02:57AM (#60478292) Journal | Sep 07 00:14 |
| schestowitz__ | gender neutral bathrooms | Sep 07 00:14 |
| schestowitz__ | Much of the bathroom fuss seems to have been instigated by the right who are intent on forcing burly, bearded men into women's bathrooms with the force of law. Despite this, they've somehow convinced themselves that "the left" is at fault. | Sep 07 00:14 |
| schestowitz__ | how eating meat is a worse crime than the 6 million jews killed during the haulocaust. | Sep 07 00:14 |
| schestowitz__ | Well done, you managed to make up a viewpoint (or find one utterly batshit person) and ascribe that to a large nebulous group. what did you achieve? | Sep 07 00:14 |
| schestowitz__ | Nobody knows how to grow thick skin. | Sep 07 00:14 |
| schestowitz__ | For someone with a supposedly thick skin you seem really triggered by the idea that people don't want to separate social justice and free software. | Sep 07 00:14 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:14 |
| schestowitz__ | Re: Debian Politics (Score:2) | Sep 07 00:14 |
| schestowitz__ | by markdavis ( 642305 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @04:16PM (#60477376) | Sep 07 00:14 |
| schestowitz__ | >"If you think about it, Software Freedom is about social justice." | Sep 07 00:14 |
| schestowitz__ | No, it is actually about individual freedom. Freedom to use software you choose, freedom to examine the code, and freedom to change and contribute to that code if you want. | Sep 07 00:14 |
| schestowitz__ | >"The ability to truly own your equipment is democratizing." | Sep 07 00:14 |
| schestowitz__ | "Social Justice" isn't about democracy or FOSS, it is identity politics through creating and perpetuating fictional "victim" and "oppressor" groups. | Sep 07 00:14 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:14 |
| schestowitz__ | Re: Debian Politics (Score:2) | Sep 07 00:14 |
| schestowitz__ | by e3m4n ( 947977 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @08:24AM (#60476270) | Sep 07 00:14 |
| schestowitz__ | Btw we did not go into the European theatre over genocide. We went in to support allies who were being invaded. The morality of genocide did not arise until much later. Your confusing hindsight with foresight. Most people had no clue. | Sep 07 00:14 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:14 |
| schestowitz__ | Re: Debian Politics (Score:-1) | Sep 07 00:14 |
| schestowitz__ | by johanw ( 1001493 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @08:45AM (#60476298) | Sep 07 00:14 |
| schestowitz__ | The US didn't enter the war (despite the best efforts of their politicians) until they could provoke Japan enough to attack Pearl Harbor, and after that Hitler declared war on the US, not the other way around. | Sep 07 00:14 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:14 |
| schestowitz__ | Re: Debian Politics (Score:0) | Sep 07 00:14 |
| schestowitz__ | by c6gunner ( 950153 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @09:11AM (#60476348) Homepage | Sep 07 00:14 |
| schestowitz__ | The US didn't enter the war (despite the best efforts of their politicians) until they could provoke Japan enough to attack Pearl Harbor | Sep 07 00:14 |
| schestowitz__ | Right. All those actresses didn't #metoo Harvey Weinstein until they could provoke him into sexually assaulting them. | Sep 07 00:14 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:14 |
| schestowitz__ | Re: Debian Politics (Score:2) | Sep 07 00:14 |
| schestowitz__ | by SuricouRaven ( 1897204 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @06:28PM (#60477612) | Sep 07 00:14 |
| schestowitz__ | They didn't fully enter the war in Europe until close to the end, though most Americans today seem to believe their country defeated the Nazis single-handed. They did provide very valuable logistical support though. The Allied tanks in Europe may not have been part of the US army, but they were built with American parts and ran on American fuel, and fired American shells. | Sep 07 00:14 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:14 |
| schestowitz__ | Re: Debian Politics (Score:2) | Sep 07 00:14 |
| schestowitz__ | by ceoyoyo ( 59147 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @03:01PM (#60477196) | Sep 07 00:14 |
| schestowitz__ | Erm, assuming you're American, you went in because the Japanese bombed one of your islands and then Germany declared war on you. | Sep 07 00:14 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:14 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Debian Politics (Score:4, Insightful) | Sep 07 00:14 |
| schestowitz__ | by Train0987 ( 1059246 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @07:54AM (#60476198) | Sep 07 00:15 |
| schestowitz__ | Isn't it ironic that SJW's proclaim their movement to be about tolerance when they're one of the most intolerant groups in history? | Sep 07 00:15 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:15 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Debian Politics (Score:2, Insightful) | Sep 07 00:15 |
| schestowitz__ | by thegarbz ( 1787294 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @09:16AM (#60476360) | Sep 07 00:15 |
| schestowitz__ | Being intolerant of intolerance doesn't make a movement less about tolerance. I hope you're not a developer, because your grasp of logic would result in nothing but compiler errors. | Sep 07 00:15 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:15 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Debian Politics (Score:5, Informative) | Sep 07 00:15 |
| schestowitz__ | by Train0987 ( 1059246 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @09:31AM (#60476390) | Sep 07 00:15 |
| schestowitz__ | Just stop. If I create a movement named the "Good Guys Gang" does that mean anyone who disagrees with whatever outrageous goals of my group can automatically labeled the Bad Guys? Because that's exactly what we're seeing today. "Antifa" mastering fascist tactics and practicing them nightly. "BLM" demonstrating they could not care less about black lives by abusing black cops and black conservatives while ignoring black-on-black | Sep 07 00:15 |
| schestowitz__ | crime, etc. Opposing either group or their communist goals does not make one an actual fascist or white supremacist, yet that's what they've convinced a number of very dumb people to believe. | Sep 07 00:15 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:15 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Debian Politics (Score:0) | Sep 07 00:15 |
| schestowitz__ | by thegarbz ( 1787294 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @10:15AM (#60476462) | Sep 07 00:15 |
| schestowitz__ | If I create a movement named the "Good Guys Gang" does that mean anyone who disagrees with whatever outrageous goals of my group can automatically labeled the Bad Guys? | Sep 07 00:15 |
| schestowitz__ | That depends. Is your gang actually working against atrocities regardless of if some idiots on Slashdot pretends they don't exist? Then yes. Great example by the way. | Sep 07 00:15 |
| schestowitz__ | Because that's exactly what we're seeing today. | Sep 07 00:15 |
| schestowitz__ | Good. Pretending something doesn't happen and then criticising those people who are actively working to correct it doesn't help. Now if only we could do something about the morons criticising them. | Sep 07 00:15 |
| schestowitz__ | "Antifa" | Sep 07 00:15 |
| schestowitz__ | You got your wish. I just stopped.... reading your bullshit. I am curious what the rest of your post was about though but based on what I've seen so far the world is better off ignoring it, or better still actively campaigning against your brand of ignorant bullshit. | Sep 07 00:15 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:15 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Debian Politics (Score:2) | Sep 07 00:15 |
| schestowitz__ | by Train0987 ( 1059246 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @10:28AM (#60476490) | Sep 07 00:15 |
| schestowitz__ | "criticising those people who are actively working to correct it " | Sep 07 00:15 |
| schestowitz__ | Right. Terrorizing people and burning down businesses is just them actively working to correct atrocities. Do you work for the Trump campai gn? You're doing more to get him re-elected than he is. | Sep 07 00:15 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:15 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Debian Politics (Score:0) | Sep 07 00:15 |
| schestowitz__ | by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 05, 2020 @11:02AM (#60476580) | Sep 07 00:15 |
| schestowitz__ | Do you work for the Trump campai gn? You're doing more to get him re-elected than he is. | Sep 07 00:15 |
| schestowitz__ | Don't get your hopes up. Covid-19 kills about 3% of those infected and dear leader has made the implication that wearing a mask is a liberal conspiracy. Not a real good campaign strategy to kill off your own supporters. | Sep 07 00:15 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:15 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Debian Politics (Score:2) | Sep 07 00:15 |
| schestowitz__ | by Train0987 ( 1059246 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @11:31AM (#60476636) | Sep 07 00:15 |
| schestowitz__ | " dear leader has made the implication that wearing a mask is a liberal conspiracy" | Sep 07 00:15 |
| schestowitz__ | Again, riiiggghhhttt... That''s exactly what "dear leader" is suggesting. Do you idiots even listen to yourselves? You have so jumped the shark with the BS that you are actively working against yourselves, losing more and more people every day who would otherwise agree with your larger points. | Sep 07 00:15 |
| schestowitz__ | Nice job, by the way. | Sep 07 00:15 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:15 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Debian Politics (Score:0) | Sep 07 00:15 |
| schestowitz__ | by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 05, 2020 @01:41PM (#60476958) | Sep 07 00:15 |
| schestowitz__ | I really don't know what Antifa or SJWs, but since so many of you fascist cunts are complaining about them, they should be onto something. | Sep 07 00:15 |
| schestowitz__ | It's no better sign of being just right than being hated and feared by scum. | Sep 07 00:16 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:16 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Debian Politics (Score:4, Insightful) | Sep 07 00:16 |
| schestowitz__ | by markdavis ( 642305 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @09:56AM (#60476430) | Sep 07 00:16 |
| schestowitz__ | >"Being intolerant of intolerance doesn't make a movement less about tolerance." | Sep 07 00:16 |
| schestowitz__ | Actually, yes is can, entirely depending on the definitions used for "tolerance" and "intolerance." Just like being called "racist" for not agreeing with certain so-called "anti-racism" premises and actions, which is all to common now. Many who call for "tolerance" have no tolerance at all for other viewpoints. They simply label someone else as "intolerant" and try to shut them down. | Sep 07 00:16 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:16 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Debian Politics (Score:2) | Sep 07 00:16 |
| schestowitz__ | by thegarbz ( 1787294 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @10:17AM (#60476466) | Sep 07 00:16 |
| schestowitz__ | I know. It's especially clear they are intolerant when you pretend what they are campaigning against doesn't actually exist. | Sep 07 00:16 |
| schestowitz__ | Ironically it seems the people most upset by social activism are bigger crybabies than they call out the SJWs for being. | Sep 07 00:16 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:16 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Debian Politics (Score:2) | Sep 07 00:16 |
| schestowitz__ | by Train0987 ( 1059246 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @01:05PM (#60476834) | Sep 07 00:16 |
| schestowitz__ | "Ironically it seems the people most upset by social activism are bigger crybabies than they call out the SJWs for being." | Sep 07 00:16 |
| schestowitz__ | Firstly, your "social activism" is an entirely made up concept that can mean a hundred different things to a hundred different people. That phrase is meaningless, devoid of any reality, designed to attract the dumbest narcissists from the dumb pool. Secondly, WAKE THE FUCK UP! Stop being their useful idiot. Otherwise you'll be their cannon fodder four months from now after Trump wins reelection and the gloves are off. | Sep 07 00:16 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:16 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Debian Politics (Score:0) | Sep 07 00:16 |
| schestowitz__ | by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 05, 2020 @06:13PM (#60477588) | Sep 07 00:16 |
| schestowitz__ | > Firstly, your "social activism" is an entirely made up concept that can mean a hundred different things to a hundred different people | Sep 07 00:16 |
| schestowitz__ | There are hundreds if not thousands of flavors of wince, cheese, beer, sausage, and potato salad. Nonetheless, we can all tell the cheese from beer. Well, OK, maybe *you* can't unless it's fair trade soy latte beer with pumpkin spice overtones. | Sep 07 00:16 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:16 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Debian Politics (Score:1) | Sep 07 00:16 |
| schestowitz__ | by WierdUncle ( 6807634 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @02:17PM (#60477072) | Sep 07 00:16 |
| schestowitz__ | > Many who call for "tolerance" have no tolerance at all for other viewpoints. | Sep 07 00:16 |
| schestowitz__ | Exactly. I do not tolerate this new orthodoxy, and no-platforming, and cancel culture. Am I a grumpy old white bloke? You bet I am, and I have good reason to be grumpy. Do I hate people that have darker skin that mine? No I do not. Can't see the point. I can't resist a good wind-up of the woke worthies. Some people just do not know how to think. | Sep 07 00:16 |
| schestowitz__ | I think I had better drink some beer before I go off pop. | Sep 07 00:16 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:16 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Debian Politics (Score:2) | Sep 07 00:16 |
| schestowitz__ | by phantomfive ( 622387 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @10:39AM (#60476516) Journal | Sep 07 00:16 |
| schestowitz__ | Being intolerant of intolerance doesn't make a movement less about tolerance | Sep 07 00:16 |
| schestowitz__ | People who make this point become the most intolerable fucks around. Creepingly everyone they don't like is labeled "intolerant," whether deserved or not. | Sep 07 00:16 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:16 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Debian Politics (Score:0) | Sep 07 00:16 |
| schestowitz__ | by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 06, 2020 @12:44PM (#60479402) | Sep 07 00:16 |
| schestowitz__ | Being intolerant of intolerance doesn't make a movement less about tolerance. | Sep 07 00:16 |
| schestowitz__ | When the movement shifts from promoting tolerance to promoting intolerance of individuals who've demonstrated lapses of tolerance in their given context, it does exactly that. A person's identity can't be reduced to an idea they've expressed so that they can be blacklisted from the human experience The trend of intolerance taking over movements that promote tolerance reduces untolerated people to participating within their | Sep 07 00:16 |
| schestowitz__ | blacklisted faction of society because of things like off-color humor from decades ago or tweets from 5 years ago. It's not healthy. People can change, and our society's perception of a person's past actions can also change when new context comes to light. It doesn't happen overnight. That's why tolerance is important. | Sep 07 00:16 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:16 |
| schestowitz__ | Re: Debian Politics (Score:1, Insightful) | Sep 07 00:16 |
| schestowitz__ | by hey00 ( 5046921 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @08:34AM (#60476286) | Sep 07 00:17 |
| schestowitz__ | There is something called the paradox of tolerance. It postulate that a tolerant society, by its tolerant nature, will give rise to many viewpoints and ideologies in its population, including some that want to destroy the tolerant nature of it (such as the far right, SJWs or various religious ideologies). | Sep 07 00:17 |
| schestowitz__ | And that if nothing is done and those ideologies are tolerated, they may develop, fester, incorrect and eventually take over and make the society intolerant. | Sep 07 00:17 |
| schestowitz__ | The paradox is thus that in order to preserve is tolerant nature, a tolerant society has to be intolerant forward ideologies that seek to destroy it. | Sep 07 00:17 |
| schestowitz__ | SJWs are one such ideology that should not be tolerated like it is and which is seeking to destroy society (they are currently trying to remove civil rights era laws from the Californian condition that forbid discrimination based on race, color, etc. For example). But in their minds, no doubt they are the tolerant ones that must prevent others from destroying the tolerant utopia they are building. | Sep 07 00:17 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:17 |
| schestowitz__ | Re: Debian Politics (Score:0) | Sep 07 00:17 |
| schestowitz__ | by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 05, 2020 @10:35PM (#60477944) | Sep 07 00:17 |
| schestowitz__ | There is something called the paradox of tolerance | Sep 07 00:17 |
| schestowitz__ | There's no such paradox. It's just a glib fallacy. It's just like arguing that because it's justifiable to amputate someone's leg as an extraordinary measure in order to save his life, you're also allowed to /preventively/ amputate it if you suspect that it /may/ one day become gangrened. It's assuming that freedom and diversity of opinions has no value in itself, and the people who enjoy it do not matter at all, but | Sep 07 00:17 |
| schestowitz__ | everything is just a means towards the preservation of some abstract contraption like "society". | Sep 07 00:17 |
| schestowitz__ | SJWs are one such ideology | Sep 07 00:17 |
| schestowitz__ | There is no "SJW ideology". All that shit is in your head. Neither you nor anybody would be able to describe a "SJW" other than as a strawman or caricature. A projection of yourself. | Sep 07 00:17 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:17 |
| schestowitz__ | Re: Debian Politics (Score:1) | Sep 07 00:17 |
| schestowitz__ | by Scr3wt4p3 ( 161256 ) on Sunday September 06, 2020 @10:27AM (#60478974) | Sep 07 00:17 |
| schestowitz__ | It's called Critical Theory. Look it up. | Sep 07 00:17 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:17 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Debian Politics (Score:0) | Sep 07 00:17 |
| schestowitz__ | by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 05, 2020 @01:32PM (#60476926) | Sep 07 00:17 |
| schestowitz__ | Do you really expect an answer to that, cocksucker? | Sep 07 00:17 |
| schestowitz__ | How about protestants, for instance? Were they more tolerant than "SJW's" after they were finally tolerated instead of burned at stake or killed like rabid dogs? | Sep 07 00:17 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:17 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Debian Politics (Score:2) | Sep 07 00:17 |
| schestowitz__ | by AmiMoJo ( 196126 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @09:03AM (#60476326) Homepage Journal | Sep 07 00:17 |
| schestowitz__ | Debian isn't just a software project, it's a community. That's why it's so successful. | Sep 07 00:17 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:17 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Debian Politics (Score:2) | Sep 07 00:17 |
| schestowitz__ | by ceoyoyo ( 59147 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @03:05PM (#60477204) | Sep 07 00:17 |
| schestowitz__ | Hope not. I've noticed that when groups start calling themselves "communities" that's often a sign of the end of times. People start throwing around "the good of the community" and then you're toast. | Sep 07 00:17 |
| schestowitz__ | Debian so far seems to have managed to keep it from getting out of control. | Sep 07 00:17 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:17 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Debian Politics (Score:2) | Sep 07 00:17 |
| schestowitz__ | by AmiMoJo ( 196126 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @03:13PM (#60477224) Homepage Journal | Sep 07 00:17 |
| schestowitz__ | They were referring to it as a community at least as far back as 2012. Seems to have survived anyway. | Sep 07 00:17 |
| schestowitz__ | https://www.debian.org/News/20... [debian.org] | Sep 07 00:17 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 404 @ https://www.debian.org/News/20 ) | Sep 07 00:17 | |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:17 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Debian Politics (Score:2) | Sep 07 00:17 |
| schestowitz__ | by ceoyoyo ( 59147 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @03:52PM (#60477310) | Sep 07 00:17 |
| schestowitz__ | Yeah, like I said, they seem to be doing pretty well. | Sep 07 00:17 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:18 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Debian Politics (Score:2) | Sep 07 00:18 |
| schestowitz__ | by thegarbz ( 1787294 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @09:12AM (#60476350) | Sep 07 00:18 |
| schestowitz__ | Did they forget they are software project and not an activist movement? | Sep 07 00:18 |
| schestowitz__ | They can be whatever they want to be. Did you forget the large portion of the open source projects fundamentally *are* activist movements at their core? | Sep 07 00:18 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:18 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Debian Politics (Score:2) | Sep 07 00:18 |
| schestowitz__ | by thegarbz ( 1787294 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @09:15AM (#60476356) | Sep 07 00:18 |
| schestowitz__ | I don't care about what they consider as "an issues". It honestly repels me what are they focusing on. | Sep 07 00:18 |
| schestowitz__ | So you don't care what they think, but you care so much that their thoughts "repel" you. I'm beginning to think you are more your own problem than the Debian developers. I mean you judge software based on if the developers have opinions or not. What's your next trick? A sentence starting with "I'm not sexist, but..."? | Sep 07 00:18 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:18 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Debian Politics (Score:0) | Sep 07 00:18 |
| schestowitz__ | by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 05, 2020 @09:03AM (#60476328) | Sep 07 00:18 |
| schestowitz__ | You've been trolled. | Sep 07 00:18 |
| schestowitz__ | This entire thread is dishonest clickbait/flamebait. | Sep 07 00:18 |
| schestowitz__ | It happened SIX years ago, and nothing came of it. | Sep 07 00:18 |
| schestowitz__ | Just shit stirring. | Sep 07 00:18 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:18 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Debian Politics (Score:2) | Sep 07 00:18 |
| schestowitz__ | by rl117 ( 110595 ) <rleigh@ c o d e libre.net> on Saturday September 05, 2020 @03:16PM (#60477230) Homepage | Sep 07 00:18 |
| schestowitz__ | Stuff like this was one of the contributing factors behind my leaving the project at around this time. Too many people policing others and playing politics instead of focusing on software development. Would you want to deal with all this bullshit in your free time, as a volunteer? Screw that. It became more stressful than my day job. | Sep 07 00:18 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:18 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Debian Politics (Score:2) | Sep 07 00:18 |
| schestowitz__ | by jargonburn ( 1950578 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @04:52PM (#60477460) | Sep 07 00:18 |
| schestowitz__ | "Scope creep" | Sep 07 00:18 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:18 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Debian Politics (Score:2) | Sep 07 00:18 |
| schestowitz__ | by squiggleslash ( 241428 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @05:25PM (#60477542) Homepage Journal | Sep 07 00:18 |
| schestowitz__ | Yeah, Debian has been political for only the last 26-27 years. Don't you wish they went back to their non-political form prior to 1993? | Sep 07 00:18 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:18 |
| schestowitz__ | Dead issue now, but instructive (Score:5) | Sep 07 00:18 |
| schestowitz__ | by sjames ( 1099 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @07:01AM (#60476136) Homepage Journal | Sep 07 00:18 |
| schestowitz__ | As others point out, this was 6 years ago, so the particular instance isn't all that important now. However, it does bring up a few more general and still applicable questions: | Sep 07 00:18 |
| schestowitz__ | If you call to ban someone from a culture that values not mincing words and is known for a rich vocabulary of swear words (perhaps related to not mincing words) because they didn't mince words and perhaps swore, shouldn't you yourself be banned for failure to show sensitivity for other cultures? | Sep 07 00:18 |
| schestowitz__ | This is a general problem with codes of conduct once they go much more specific than "Be excellent to each other". Unless they are unusually well crafted and flexible as well as deferring to unwritten exceptions whenever required, they inevitably end up breaking because a circumstance arises where enforcing one rule intrinsically violates another. Human relations, especially cross-cultural human relations are way too complex to | Sep 07 00:18 |
| schestowitz__ | codify into hard fast rules. | Sep 07 00:18 |
| schestowitz__ | OTOH, if they do defer to unwritten exceptions, they tend to devolve into a sort of dictatorship where the arbiter of the unwritten exceptions becomes, shall we say, uneven in their willingness to apply those exceptions, usually based (informally) on how closely the offending opinion matches their own. | Sep 07 00:18 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:18 |
| schestowitz__ | Re: Dead issue now, but instructive (Score:3) | Sep 07 00:18 |
| schestowitz__ | by e3m4n ( 947977 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @07:12AM (#60476148) | Sep 07 00:18 |
| schestowitz__ | You just get done reading animal farm? Thats pretty much the entire takeaway. Do as I say, not as I do. | Sep 07 00:19 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:19 |
| schestowitz__ | Re: Dead issue now, but instructive (Score:2) | Sep 07 00:19 |
| schestowitz__ | by sjames ( 1099 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @07:18AM (#60476160) Homepage Journal | Sep 07 00:19 |
| schestowitz__ | No, read it 40 years ago. I'm just observing things play out in real life with a few specifics. Not surprising that a social commentary might comment on something that remains relevant. | Sep 07 00:19 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:19 |
| schestowitz__ | crybabies (Score:3, Interesting) | Sep 07 00:19 |
| schestowitz__ | by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 05, 2020 @07:27AM (#60476176) | Sep 07 00:19 |
| schestowitz__ | So I've watched the video they're complaining about. | Sep 07 00:19 |
| schestowitz__ | Out of a dozen or two questions, a couple wanted to bait Linus about political correctness and he handled himself with dignity. | Sep 07 00:19 |
| schestowitz__ | Because he doesnt agree with GPL 3? FSF zealots, hey he got the biggest laughs - suck it up. | Sep 07 00:19 |
| schestowitz__ | Or maybe Ian Jackson is one of those crazy people that hate being called crazy - ban him from debconf? Insane. | Sep 07 00:19 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:19 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:crybabies (Score:2) | Sep 07 00:19 |
| schestowitz__ | by h33t l4x0r ( 4107715 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @07:50AM (#60476194) | Sep 07 00:19 |
| schestowitz__ | I'm thinking check his blood sugar and maybe a couple xannies before he takes the podium. We all get cranky. Maybe one of the quaaludes from wolf of wall street if anyone is saving one. | Sep 07 00:19 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:19 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:crybabies (Score:2) | Sep 07 00:19 |
| schestowitz__ | by i.r.id10t ( 595143 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @08:29AM (#60476278) | Sep 07 00:19 |
| schestowitz__ | Good ol' R 714 hasn't been made since the 70s. Even if you had some I don't think I'd experiment with taking one today, 40 years later. Probably better/safer to smoke a doob or take an edible. | Sep 07 00:19 |
| schestowitz__ | Heck, I know a guy who had one in a baggie on his "wall of trophies, rememberences and cool shit from the 60s and 70s", right next to a genuine dose of purple microdot LSD and the butter knives he used to smoke hash. We were eyeballing those in the mid 90s and weren't thinking taking them *then* was a good idea, never mind 20 years later. | Sep 07 00:19 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:19 |
| schestowitz__ | Just Say No to drugs (Score:0) | Sep 07 00:19 |
| schestowitz__ | by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 05, 2020 @08:55AM (#60476316) | Sep 07 00:19 |
| schestowitz__ | Just Say No to drugs. Problem solved. | Sep 07 00:19 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:19 |
| schestowitz__ | I'm running as fast as I can (Score:4, Funny) | Sep 07 00:19 |
| schestowitz__ | by AndyKron ( 937105 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @07:33AM (#60476184) | Sep 07 00:19 |
| schestowitz__ | Ya ban him. What has Linus Torvalds done for the computing community? Now I'm running as fast as I can! | Sep 07 00:19 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:19 |
| schestowitz__ | Natural progression (Score:5, Insightful) | Sep 07 00:19 |
| schestowitz__ | by markdavis ( 642305 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @07:42AM (#60476188) | Sep 07 00:19 |
| schestowitz__ | >"This could set a very bad precedent for the open source community, which has recently seen an influx of various CoC policies applied " | Sep 07 00:19 |
| schestowitz__ | Where does anyone think this would go or end? Once you start down the road of SOC, SJW, censorship, and other such grand ideals, it naturally eats itself alive because it is never enough and never satisfied. So many speaking of tolerance yet with no tolerance for what they don't like or believe. So many speaking of diversity yet with no diversity of what really matters- thought. So many speaking of justice with no concept as to | Sep 07 00:19 |
| schestowitz__ | what justice really means. | Sep 07 00:19 |
| schestowitz__ | "First they came for my..." | Sep 07 00:19 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:19 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Natural progression (Score:1) | Sep 07 00:19 |
| schestowitz__ | by drinkypoo ( 153816 ) <martin.espinoza@gmail.com> on Saturday September 05, 2020 @01:46PM (#60476982) Homepage Journal | Sep 07 00:19 |
| schestowitz__ | Where does anyone think this would go or end? Once you start down the road of SOC, SJW, censorship, and other such grand ideals, it naturally eats itself alive because it is never enough and never satisfied. | Sep 07 00:19 |
| schestowitz__ | Right, that's why civilization has collapsed and we're all living in mud huts. | Sep 07 00:20 |
| schestowitz__ | So many speaking of tolerance yet with no tolerance for what they don't like or believe. | Sep 07 00:20 |
| schestowitz__ | Tolerance of intolerance is not tolerance. It is acceptance of abuse. | Sep 07 00:20 |
| schestowitz__ | So many speaking of justice with no concept as to what justice really means. | Sep 07 00:20 |
| schestowitz__ | Like you, sitting here defending deliberately inflammatory and abusive shitlords. | Sep 07 00:20 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:20 |
| schestowitz__ | Re: Natural progression (Score:1) | Sep 07 00:20 |
| schestowitz__ | by Scr3wt4p3 ( 161256 ) on Sunday September 06, 2020 @10:28AM (#60478982) | Sep 07 00:20 |
| schestowitz__ | Go be retarded somewhere else. | Sep 07 00:20 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:20 |
| schestowitz__ | Wrong name (Score:3, Insightful) | Sep 07 00:20 |
| schestowitz__ | by Sin2x ( 1189089 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @07:45AM (#60476190) | Sep 07 00:20 |
| schestowitz__ | It's not Linusgate, it's Debiangate. The signs of their mental decline were present since choosing systemd as the default init system, but now it's just full-blown dementia. RIP. Good thing that Ian is not there to witness the demise of his creation. The end of an era. | Sep 07 00:20 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:20 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Wrong name (Score:2) | Sep 07 00:20 |
| schestowitz__ | by thegarbz ( 1787294 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @05:07PM (#60477490) | Sep 07 00:20 |
| schestowitz__ | It's not Linusgate, it's Debiangate. | Sep 07 00:20 |
| schestowitz__ | Since when has there ever been any logic or reason behind the appending of the word gate on the topic? Personally I think we should write an article about this and call it Gategate. | Sep 07 00:20 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:20 |
| schestowitz__ | Fee fees are so precious (Score:4, Funny) | Sep 07 00:20 |
| schestowitz__ | by DrXym ( 126579 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @07:52AM (#60476196) | Sep 07 00:20 |
| schestowitz__ | Maybe DebConf should arrange safe zones where people who self-identify as victims can go to escape perceived microagressions from speakers. A janitor's closet or something. | Sep 07 00:20 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:20 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Fee fees are so precious (Score:2) | Sep 07 00:20 |
| schestowitz__ | by grep -v '.*' * ( 780312 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @12:28PM (#60476752) | Sep 07 00:20 |
| schestowitz__ | Maybe DebConf should arrange safe zones where people who self-identify as victims can go to escape perceived microagressions from speakers. A janitor's closet or something. | Sep 07 00:20 |
| schestowitz__ | I'm thinking they can use the door marked EXIT ONLY. | Sep 07 00:20 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:20 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Fee fees are so precious (Score:0) | Sep 07 00:20 |
| schestowitz__ | by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 05, 2020 @10:28PM (#60477934) | Sep 07 00:20 |
| schestowitz__ | Maybe DebConf should arrange safe zones where people who self-identify as victims can go to escape perceived microagressions from speakers. A janitor's closet or something. | Sep 07 00:20 |
| schestowitz__ | You mean a PADDED janitor's closet. | Sep 07 00:20 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:20 |
| schestowitz__ | Concentrate on Code (Score:2) | Sep 07 00:20 |
| schestowitz__ | by nospam007 ( 722110 ) * on Saturday September 05, 2020 @07:55AM (#60476206) | Sep 07 00:20 |
| schestowitz__ | Not Code of Conduct. | Sep 07 00:20 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:20 |
| schestowitz__ | The video that made Debian reps triggered... (Score:2) | Sep 07 00:20 |
| schestowitz__ | by ELCouz ( 1338259 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @08:16AM (#60476252) | Sep 07 00:20 |
| schestowitz__ | I can't agree more with Linus... | Sep 07 00:20 |
| schestowitz__ | http://meetings-archive.debian... [debian.net] | Sep 07 00:21 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-meetings-archive.debian | NO TITLE | Sep 07 00:21 | |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:21 |
| schestowitz__ | Link to the talk? (Score:5, Interesting) | Sep 07 00:21 |
| schestowitz__ | by anarcobra ( 1551067 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @08:21AM (#60476266) | Sep 07 00:21 |
| schestowitz__ | > talk Linus Torvalds gave at the most recent DebConf conference | Sep 07 00:21 |
| schestowitz__ | Any link to the talk so we can see what this is all about? | Sep 07 00:21 |
| schestowitz__ | Oh, this is about something that happened 6 years ago and not "the most recent DebConf"? | Sep 07 00:21 |
| schestowitz__ | What even is the point of linking to debconf if you don't link to specific talk? | Sep 07 00:21 |
| schestowitz__ | Get your act together. | Sep 07 00:21 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:21 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Link to the talk? (Score:2) | Sep 07 00:21 |
| schestowitz__ | by thegarbz ( 1787294 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @09:20AM (#60476372) | Sep 07 00:21 |
| schestowitz__ | Oh, this is about something that happened 6 years ago and not "the most recent DebConf"? | Sep 07 00:21 |
| schestowitz__ | I actually think TFA is talking about the recent DebConf and trying to stir up shit by relating it to 6 year old emails. But I mean seriously why should this be a surprise to anyone. Linus despite his genius has an incredibly abrasive personality to anyone or anything that doesn't suit him. | Sep 07 00:21 |
| schestowitz__ | I mean it's not necessarily good marketing or politically correct to in the middle of a developer conference (not Debian in this case) to simply say fuck NVIDIA and give the finger to the camera. | Sep 07 00:21 |
| schestowitz__ | There's a reason in many cases companies hide behind PR departments and don't let engineers speak to the public. https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com] :-) | Sep 07 00:21 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.youtube.com | YouTube | Sep 07 00:21 | |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:21 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Link to the talk? (Score:3) | Sep 07 00:21 |
| schestowitz__ | by sfcat ( 872532 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @10:51AM (#60476550) | Sep 07 00:21 |
| schestowitz__ | I mean it's not necessarily good marketing or politically correct to in the middle of a developer conference (not Debian in this case) to simply say fuck NVIDIA and give the finger to the camera. | Sep 07 00:21 |
| schestowitz__ | There's a reason in many cases companies hide behind PR departments and don't let engineers speak to the public. https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com] :-) | Sep 07 00:21 |
| schestowitz__ | Right, because people definitely prefer being lied to. He's honest. You can't deal with it because you have thin skin and think you are entitled to force the world to be wrapped in bubble wrap for you. People *hate* PR departments spin. Hate it. Oh, and Musk is an engineer, says hot takes, makes tons of money. Perhaps the PR department and lying to people isn't as necessary as you seem to think it is. Perhaps that's why you | Sep 07 00:21 |
| schestowitz__ | get so mad at Linus, he points out all the places folks like you are lying. | Sep 07 00:21 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:21 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Link to the talk? (Score:2) | Sep 07 00:21 |
| schestowitz__ | by ceoyoyo ( 59147 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @03:20PM (#60477242) | Sep 07 00:21 |
| schestowitz__ | "Manners" are pretty well studied. They're more or less arbitrary rules that demonstrate you have the self control to put up with bullshit. When groups of people get larger, manners become important because there's more bullshit to put up with. | Sep 07 00:21 |
| schestowitz__ | Many founders of groups, like corporations, get pushed out or at least to the side as the group grows because getting stuff done seems to be most easily accomplished with a small number of people with low bullshit tolerance, while keeping things ticking along is best accomplished with a large number of people with high tolerance. | Sep 07 00:21 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:21 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Link to the talk? (Score:2) | Sep 07 00:21 |
| schestowitz__ | by troff ( 529250 ) on Sunday September 06, 2020 @12:54AM (#60478136) Homepage Journal | Sep 07 00:21 |
| schestowitz__ | That's a very disputable interpretation. | Sep 07 00:21 |
| schestowitz__ | https://meaningness.com/geeks-... [meaningness.com] | Sep 07 00:21 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 404 @ https://meaningness.com/geeks- ) | Sep 07 00:21 | |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:21 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Link to the talk? (Score:2) | Sep 07 00:21 |
| schestowitz__ | by ceoyoyo ( 59147 ) on Sunday September 06, 2020 @10:46AM (#60479034) | Sep 07 00:21 |
| schestowitz__ | That certainly might have something to do with the reaction. Enthusiasts of all kinds tend to become possessive of the objects of their enthusiasm. If that enthusiasm is Harry Potter reenactments or a quest to complete Babbage's Difference Engine, that attitude might be fairly harmless. If it's directed at technology that underpins a good portion of the world's economy, it's not going to be able to survive. | Sep 07 00:21 |
| schestowitz__ | Large scale organization requires cooperation, and effective human cooperation seems to require some ceremonial rules to grease the wheels. Debian in particular is an organization that exists to organize. | Sep 07 00:21 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:21 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Link to the talk? (Score:2) | Sep 07 00:21 |
| schestowitz__ | by ELCouz ( 1338259 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @10:05AM (#60476446) | Sep 07 00:22 |
| schestowitz__ | That's the one that started all those emails back in 2014. http://meetings-archive.debian... [debian.net] | Sep 07 00:22 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-meetings-archive.debian | NO TITLE | Sep 07 00:22 | |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:22 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Link to the talk? (Score:1) | Sep 07 00:22 |
| schestowitz__ | by sbrsb ( 233569 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @07:36PM (#60477720) Homepage | Sep 07 00:22 |
| schestowitz__ | http://meetings-archive.debian... [debian.net] | Sep 07 00:22 |
| schestowitz__ | Delightful! Widespread, well-deserved, applause at the end. | Sep 07 00:22 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:22 |
| schestowitz__ | In another Universe (Score:2) | Sep 07 00:22 |
| schestowitz__ | by skillrod ( 555920 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @08:40AM (#60476292) | Sep 07 00:22 |
| schestowitz__ | ... Bill Gates turns out to be a pretty awesome guy. | Sep 07 00:22 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:22 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:In another Universe (Score:2) | Sep 07 00:22 |
| schestowitz__ | by boudie2 ( 1134233 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @08:53AM (#60476310) | Sep 07 00:22 |
| schestowitz__ | And runs Slackware on his home computer. | Sep 07 00:22 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:22 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:In another Universe (Score:1) | Sep 07 00:22 |
| schestowitz__ | by OMBad ( 6965950 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @08:49AM (#60476302) | Sep 07 00:22 |
| schestowitz__ | Basically that is how it played out. Gates is some sort of hero and Linus, the guy who actually did more for computing than anyone, is considered a jerk. Welcome to SJW world. Focus on marketing yourself to mollify the SJW crowd. Meanwhile, behind the scenes be a complete evil person. It doesn't matter as long as you virtue signal in the right way. | Sep 07 00:22 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:22 |
| schestowitz__ | Sign of the Times (Score:2) | Sep 07 00:22 |
| schestowitz__ | by redelm ( 54142 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @09:04AM (#60476330) Homepage | Sep 07 00:22 |
| schestowitz__ | A 2014 story resurrected with inflamatory language? How 2020 -- fits in great with the cancel culture narrative. Anyone who believes news reports uncritically whether on the NYTimes or here on /. deserves to be duped. Humans are the apex predator, so some of us prey upon others. Societies are cnstructed to optimize predation. Fake news (fraud) is just one way. | Sep 07 00:22 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:22 |
| schestowitz__ | hard to imagine (Score:3) | Sep 07 00:22 |
| schestowitz__ | by superwiz ( 655733 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @09:26AM (#60476380) Journal | Sep 07 00:22 |
| schestowitz__ | It's hard to imagine that Debian survives unless these people are removed. | Sep 07 00:22 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:22 |
| schestowitz__ | Re: hard to imagine (Score:2) | Sep 07 00:22 |
| schestowitz__ | by ToasterMonkey ( 467067 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @11:14AM (#60476610) Homepage | Sep 07 00:22 |
| schestowitz__ | How can you say that when you haven't read the actual discussion? | Sep 07 00:22 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:22 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:hard to imagine (Score:2) | Sep 07 00:22 |
| schestowitz__ | by Phil Hands ( 2365 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @04:48PM (#60477454) Homepage | Sep 07 00:22 |
| schestowitz__ | It's hard to imagine that Debian survives unless these people are removed. | Sep 07 00:22 |
| schestowitz__ | In fact, it wasn't very hard to imagine then, and it's even less hard now that we've had 6 years to find out what happend next. | Sep 07 00:22 |
| schestowitz__ | Astonishingly, the people you seem to think were going to cause Debian's iminent destruction are still around, and Debian is too. | Sep 07 00:22 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:22 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:hard to imagine (Score:2) | Sep 07 00:22 |
| schestowitz__ | by thegarbz ( 1787294 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @05:09PM (#60477496) | Sep 07 00:22 |
| schestowitz__ | It's hard to imagine that Debian survives unless these people are removed. | Sep 07 00:23 |
| schestowitz__ | So given this happened 6 years ago why imagine when you could instead check if www.debian.org is still up and running and confirm that your imagination doesn't at all reflect reality? | Sep 07 00:23 |
| schestowitz__ | Honestly I'm not sure what's worse, acceptance of intolerance, or being so intolerant that you judge a project based not on its results but based on the opinion of some of the people involved. Truly ironic. | Sep 07 00:23 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:23 |
| schestowitz__ | It's all about Bill and 5G... right ? (Score:2) | Sep 07 00:23 |
| schestowitz__ | by wimg ( 300673 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @10:02AM (#60476438) Homepage | Sep 07 00:23 |
| schestowitz__ | "Some observers believe that it's a plot by Microsoft to destroy the open source movement from the inside." | Sep 07 00:23 |
| schestowitz__ | Of course... and it's Bill Gates that's pushing this, because he wants to ask Linus to include 5G support in Linux so it can create a new corona virus. How about everybody stop making up conspiracy theories ? | Sep 07 00:23 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:23 |
| schestowitz__ | I need an OS that works (Score:3) | Sep 07 00:23 |
| schestowitz__ | by Opportunist ( 166417 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @10:52AM (#60476552) | Sep 07 00:23 |
| schestowitz__ | I get to the whole feelgood bullshit about who says what to whom in my spare time. | Sep 07 00:23 |
| schestowitz__ | Care to point me to an OS that cares about getting shit done instead of making people feel good? Debian obvious is a goner. | Sep 07 00:23 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:23 |
| schestowitz__ | Debian really does move slowly (Score:4, Informative) | Sep 07 00:23 |
| schestowitz__ | by tannhaus ( 152710 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @11:57AM (#60476692) Homepage Journal | Sep 07 00:23 |
| schestowitz__ | Even their controversies take six years to be released to the public.... | Sep 07 00:23 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:23 |
| schestowitz__ | transcript of the inflamatory opinions (Score:4, Informative) | Sep 07 00:23 |
| schestowitz__ | by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 05, 2020 @12:21PM (#60476732) | Sep 07 00:23 |
| schestowitz__ | Few people want to watch a 72 minute video so here is a transcription of the part | Sep 07 00:23 |
| schestowitz__ | relevant to the story. | Sep 07 00:23 |
| schestowitz__ | http://saimei.ftp.acc.umu.se/p... [acc.umu.se] | Sep 07 00:23 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 404 @ http://saimei.ftp.acc.umu.se/p ) | Sep 07 00:23 | |
| schestowitz__ | The first 47 minutes are Linus talking about wanting kernel changes to not cause userspace software to | Sep 07 00:23 |
| schestowitz__ | stop working, a complaint that linux distributions break things and the difficulties involved. | Sep 07 00:23 |
| schestowitz__ | The part that seems to me to have triggered the CoC complaint starts at 47:20, the | Sep 07 00:23 |
| schestowitz__ | accusations start at 50minutes. | Sep 07 00:23 |
| schestowitz__ | Part of the background to this is that a company called Tivo made a digital video recorder, | Sep 07 00:23 |
| schestowitz__ | the box ran linux but would only run software digitally signed by the company. | Sep 07 00:23 |
| schestowitz__ | People could get the source code for the software running on the box but could not | Sep 07 00:23 |
| schestowitz__ | modify their tivo box, no fixing bugs or adding features. | Sep 07 00:23 |
| schestowitz__ | The FSF wanted people to use a new software license, GPL3, to stop tivoisation | Sep 07 00:23 |
| schestowitz__ | Linus said he hates GPL3. He understands the reasoning but thinks it should have been | Sep 07 00:23 |
| schestowitz__ | a new separate license. He said that GPL2 means | Sep 07 00:23 |
| schestowitz__ | "I give you source code, you give me your changes back, we are even". | Sep 07 00:23 |
| schestowitz__ | He said GPL3 instead means "I give you source code and you can't use it on your device | Sep 07 00:23 |
| schestowitz__ | unless you follow my rules" and does not want to impose that condition. | Sep 07 00:23 |
| schestowitz__ | He said he considered GPL3 to be an attempt to sneak in new rules and did not like that. | Sep 07 00:23 |
| schestowitz__ | "The FSF did some really sneaky stuff, downright immoral in my opinion." | Sep 07 00:23 |
| schestowitz__ | Questioner in audience: "You are talking about Tivoisation?" | Sep 07 00:23 |
| schestowitz__ | Linus: "Yeah, tivoisation was always my main dislike of version 3 and the FSF | Sep 07 00:24 |
| schestowitz__ | was being very dishonest, saying hey we actually allow you to invalidate the tivoisation clause, | Sep 07 00:24 |
| schestowitz__ | and and, they tried to, they literally lied to people and said hey so that means that | Sep 07 00:24 |
| schestowitz__ | you can use GPL3 without the tivoisation part, right, how many people heard that particular | Sep 07 00:24 |
| schestowitz__ | statement from the FSF? [requests show of hands] Ok, maybe they only tried to convinced me | Sep 07 00:24 |
| schestowitz__ | with that one, but they did. and it was like, I'm not stupid, yes GPL3 allows you to say | Sep 07 00:24 |
| schestowitz__ | ok tivoisation is not an issue for us but it allow someone else to take the project and say | Sep 07 00:24 |
| schestowitz__ | Hey, GPL3 without tivoisation is compatible with the full GPL3 so I will now make | Sep 07 00:24 |
| schestowitz__ | my own fork of this and I will start doing drivers that use the full version of GPL3 | Sep 07 00:24 |
| schestowitz__ | and where am I am I stuck then, I'm stuck saying Hey, I gave you the source code | Sep 07 00:24 |
| schestowitz__ | and now I can't take back your changes. That is completely against the whole point of | Sep 07 00:24 |
| schestowitz__ | the license in the first place. | Sep 07 00:24 |
| schestowitz__ | The FSF was, I mean, the kind of stuff that was going on behind the scenes made me once | Sep 07 00:24 |
| schestowitz__ | and for all decide to not have anything to do with the FSF again. | Sep 07 00:24 |
| schestowitz__ | So if you want to give money to people who do good give it to the EFF, the FSF is | Sep 07 00:24 |
| schestowitz__ | full of crazy bigoted people, that's just my opinion. Actually [Gesture: hands up don't shoot] | Sep 07 00:24 |
| schestowitz__ | I overstated that, a bit. The FSF has a lot of nice people in it but some of there | Sep 07 00:24 |
| schestowitz__ | are a bit too extreme. | Sep 07 00:24 |
| schestowitz__ | Questioner in audience: "I wish the EFF cared a bit more about software freedom,uh so | Sep 07 00:24 |
| schestowitz__ | do you think that tivoisation benefits me as a user somehow? | Sep 07 00:24 |
| schestowitz__ | Linus: No, no I don't but that was never why I selected GPL2, this is my whole point, | Sep 07 00:24 |
| schestowitz__ | it's not that I think tivoisation is something that you should strive for, it's something | Sep 07 00:24 |
| schestowitz__ | that in my worldview, it's your decision, if you make hardware that locks down the softwaer | Sep 07 00:24 |
| schestowitz__ | that is your decision as a hardware maker, that has no impact on my decision as a | Sep 07 00:24 |
| schestowitz__ | software maker to give you the software, do you see where I am coming from? | Sep 07 00:24 |
| schestowitz__ | I don't like locked down hardware but at the same time that was never the social | Sep 07 00:24 |
| schestowitz__ | contract I intended with linux, to me, I mean, people may or may not realise that | Sep 07 00:24 |
| schestowitz__ | GPL2 was not even the first license for linux, to me the important part was always | Sep 07 00:24 |
| schestowitz__ | I give you software you can do whatever you want with it, if you make improvements | Sep 07 00:24 |
| schestowitz__ | you have to give them back, that was the first version of the license, | Sep 07 00:24 |
| schestowitz__ | it also had a completely broken clause which was completely insane and I was stupid | Sep 07 00:24 |
| schestowitz__ | [Gesture: dismissive wave, shrug] my original license says you can't make money | Sep 07 00:24 |
| schestowitz__ | change hands and that was a mistake, I was clearly just wrong and bad because it | Sep 07 00:24 |
| schestowitz__ | clearly did not have anything to do with what I wanted and I was just, I was | Sep 07 00:24 |
| schestowitz__ | young, I was poor, I didn't realise the whole money thing was not the important part | Sep 07 00:24 |
| schestowitz__ | and I saw the error of my ways and I saw GPL2 and said hey, that is the perfect license, | Sep 07 00:24 |
| schestowitz__ | and then I saw the GPL3 and I said no that is overreaching a lot, that's not what | Sep 07 00:24 |
| schestowitz__ | I wanted, so I made Linux GPL2 only." | Sep 07 00:24 |
| schestowitz__ | Linus said that Tivo's changes to linux being available had some value because they | Sep 07 00:24 |
| schestowitz__ | applied to other MIPS processor based devices and he is ok with just getting | Sep 07 00:24 |
| schestowitz__ | the source code changes back. | Sep 07 00:25 |
| schestowitz__ | Read the rest of this comment... | Sep 07 00:25 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:25 |
| schestowitz__ | Link to the "problematic" talk (Score:2) | Sep 07 00:25 |
| schestowitz__ | by JonJ ( 907502 ) <jon.jahren@gmail.com> on Saturday September 05, 2020 @01:05PM (#60476832) | Sep 07 00:25 |
| schestowitz__ | Is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com] | Sep 07 00:25 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.youtube.com | YouTube | Sep 07 00:25 | |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:25 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Link to the "problematic" talk (Score:2) | Sep 07 00:25 |
| schestowitz__ | by ceoyoyo ( 59147 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @03:39PM (#60477284) | Sep 07 00:25 |
| schestowitz__ | Poor Linus got torpedoed by an agent provocateur. A good speaker will moderate their own session but if they don't, that's why you've got official ones. | Sep 07 00:25 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:25 |
| schestowitz__ | Oh, look more victims (Score:0, Flamebait) | Sep 07 00:25 |
| schestowitz__ | by greytree ( 7124971 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @06:09AM (#60476020) | Sep 07 00:25 |
| schestowitz__ | Time for every jealous whiner victim of the world to shut up and take it like a man. Yes, I wrote "man". Shut up and take it. | Sep 07 00:25 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:25 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Oh, look more victims (Score:2, Insightful) | Sep 07 00:25 |
| schestowitz__ | by blank-canvas ( 6429328 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @06:12AM (#60476026) | Sep 07 00:25 |
| schestowitz__ | Ironic that someone claiming whiners should take it like a man, is whining. | Sep 07 00:25 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:25 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Oh, look more victims (Score:3, Insightful) | Sep 07 00:25 |
| schestowitz__ | by greytree ( 7124971 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @06:23AM (#60476046) | Sep 07 00:25 |
| schestowitz__ | So in your brilliant system of discourse, one cannot never complain about whiners because that is "ironic" ? | Sep 07 00:25 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:25 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Oh, look more victims (Score:1) | Sep 07 00:25 |
| schestowitz__ | by AleRunner ( 4556245 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @08:50AM (#60476306) | Sep 07 00:25 |
| schestowitz__ | So in your brilliant system of discourse, one cannot never complain about whiners because that is "ironic" ? | Sep 07 00:25 |
| schestowitz__ | Well, you can, but you'd have to be very careful about the tone you took and not taking yourself too seriously. For example, if you were complaining and told someone to "shut up and take it" when you very clearly weren't able to "shut up" yourself you might easily find yourself a bit of a laughingstock. It's all a matter of making sure you are a little bit more polite than the person you are attacking and definitely not doing | Sep 07 00:25 |
| schestowitz__ | what you are accusing them of. For example if you were complaining that people were acting like 'victims of the world', then you definitely wouldn't want to be trying to be a victim of a 'system of discourse' or some other abstract "the system" type of thing. If you did that people might think you were very funny indeed [youtube.com]. | Sep 07 00:25 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:25 |
| schestowitz__ | Re: Oh, look more victims (Score:3, Insightful) | Sep 07 00:25 |
| schestowitz__ | by c6gunner ( 950153 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @09:02AM (#60476324) Homepage | Sep 07 00:25 |
| schestowitz__ | No, that's fucking stupid. This is basically how the whole thing played out: | Sep 07 00:25 |
| schestowitz__ | Random retard: "I believe that 2+2=5" | Sep 07 00:25 |
| schestowitz__ | Linus: "no, you fucking retard, 2+2=4, and there are mountains of evidence to demonstrate as much" | Sep 07 00:25 |
| schestowitz__ | Random retard: "Linus was mean to me and everyone should boycott him until he learns to be nice" | Sep 07 00:25 |
| schestowitz__ | Greytree: "ffs, stop being a whiny cunt. We don't care about your feelings, we care about what's true" | Sep 07 00:25 |
| schestowitz__ | Blank-canvas: "hurr durr it's ironic that you're whining about him whining" | Sep 07 00:25 |
| schestowitz__ | You: "yeah, all those comments are exactly the same!" | Sep 07 00:25 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:25 |
| schestowitz__ | Re: Oh, look more victims (Score:1) | Sep 07 00:25 |
| schestowitz__ | by greytree ( 7124971 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @09:44AM (#60476398) | Sep 07 00:26 |
| schestowitz__ | A fine summary of the positions here. | Sep 07 00:26 |
| schestowitz__ | Too few people care about what's true in internet discussion. | Sep 07 00:26 |
| schestowitz__ | That might be acceptable for social "science" bullshitting, but it doesn't work for technical stuff. | Sep 07 00:26 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:26 |
| schestowitz__ | Re: Oh, look more victims (Score:2) | Sep 07 00:26 |
| schestowitz__ | by JillElf ( 1896776 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @01:43PM (#60476972) | Sep 07 00:26 |
| schestowitz__ | True. I don't want to be on, under, or even near an intersectional designed bridge. | Sep 07 00:26 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:26 |
| schestowitz__ | Re: Oh, look more victims (Score:2) | Sep 07 00:26 |
| schestowitz__ | by ceoyoyo ( 59147 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @02:51PM (#60477164) | Sep 07 00:26 |
| schestowitz__ | I'm rather fond of the ones that consider gravity, load and wind, actually. | Sep 07 00:26 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:26 |
| schestowitz__ | Re: Oh, look more victims (Score:2) | Sep 07 00:26 |
| schestowitz__ | by AleRunner ( 4556245 ) on Sunday September 06, 2020 @03:40AM (#60478334) | Sep 07 00:26 |
| schestowitz__ | No, that's fucking stupid. This is basically how the whole thing played out: | Sep 07 00:26 |
| schestowitz__ | Random retard: "I believe that 2+2=5" | Sep 07 00:26 |
| schestowitz__ | Linus: "no, you fucking retard, 2+2=4, and there are mountains of evidence to demonstrate as much" | Sep 07 00:26 |
| schestowitz__ | Random retard: "Linus was mean to me and everyone should boycott him until he learns to be nice" | Sep 07 00:26 |
| schestowitz__ | Greytree: "ffs, stop being a whiny cunt. We don't care about your feelings, we care about what's true and by the way stop repressing my right to say cunt. Stop it, you're repressing me!" | Sep 07 00:26 |
| schestowitz__ | Blank-canvas: "hurr durr it's ironic that you're whining about him whining" | Sep 07 00:26 |
| schestowitz__ | AleRunner: "yeah, greytrees' comment and random retards comments have the same character!" | Sep 07 00:26 |
| schestowitz__ | Greytree: "I'm being repressed. I'm being repressed. Come and see the social justice inherent in the system. [youtube.com] (see the comment he made after mine)" | Sep 07 00:26 |
| schestowitz__ | There FTFY | Sep 07 00:26 |
| schestowitz__ | When you edited Greytree's message, you got to the essence of it and deleted the whining. Unfortunately, this is a discussion about the whining and not about the essence. Not normally my style, but that's exactly what Greytree started discussing the form of the complaints (whining) rather than the substance of the complaints. Perhaps we should get into a discussion about whether people should try to meet their debating partner | Sep 07 00:26 |
| schestowitz__ | half way? Perhaps we should discuss where tolerance for people who are learning ends and putting up with idiots begins, but right now we have two sides both shouting at eachother and they are Greytree's side is (even) stupider than Random Retard's, simply because it is doing exactly what it is criticising Random Retard for. | Sep 07 00:26 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:26 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Oh, look more victims (Score:1) | Sep 07 00:26 |
| schestowitz__ | by greytree ( 7124971 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @09:19AM (#60476364) | Sep 07 00:26 |
| schestowitz__ | "For example if you were complaining that people were acting like 'victims of the world', then you definitely wouldn't want to be trying to be a victim of a 'system of discourse' or some other abstract "the system" type of thing" | Sep 07 00:26 |
| schestowitz__ | Telling victims to shut up is not being a victim of whatever you are babbling about. | Sep 07 00:26 |
| schestowitz__ | Nor is it whining. | Sep 07 00:26 |
| schestowitz__ | Nor is it ironic. | Sep 07 00:26 |
| schestowitz__ | Either one is forbidden to complain about whining because something something irony. | Sep 07 00:26 |
| schestowitz__ | Or one is not. | Sep 07 00:26 |
| schestowitz__ | It's the latter, stupid. | Sep 07 00:26 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:26 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Oh, look more victims (Score:2) | Sep 07 00:26 |
| schestowitz__ | by AleRunner ( 4556245 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @02:43PM (#60477138) | Sep 07 00:26 |
| schestowitz__ | Either one is forbidden to complain about whining because something something irony. | Sep 07 00:26 |
| schestowitz__ | Or one is not. | Sep 07 00:27 |
| schestowitz__ | It's the latter, stupid. | Sep 07 00:27 |
| schestowitz__ | Irony is an artistic concept, not even a legal let alone a technical concept. Nobody is forbidden anything because irony. They just look silly and get laughed at. The thing is eventually you just have to admit your argument is DEAD, deceased [youtube.com]. It is no more. | Sep 07 00:27 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:27 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Oh, look more victims (Score:0) | Sep 07 00:27 |
| schestowitz__ | by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 05, 2020 @03:02PM (#60477198) | Sep 07 00:27 |
| schestowitz__ | It's all a matter of making sure you are a little bit more polite than the person you are attacking That's called being pretentious. | Sep 07 00:27 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:27 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Oh, look more victims (Score:2) | Sep 07 00:27 |
| schestowitz__ | by k2dk ( 816114 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @06:23AM (#60476048) | Sep 07 00:27 |
| schestowitz__ | Ironic that someone claiming whiners should take it like a man, is whining. | Sep 07 00:27 |
| schestowitz__ | Did you just assume his whining? | Sep 07 00:27 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:27 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Oh, look more victims (Score:2, Troll) | Sep 07 00:27 |
| schestowitz__ | by quonset ( 4839537 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @06:28AM (#60476056) | Sep 07 00:27 |
| schestowitz__ | Ironic that someone claiming whiners should take it like a man, is whining. | Sep 07 00:27 |
| schestowitz__ | Reminds me of the phrase, "All those men whining about women sound an awful lot like whining women." | Sep 07 00:27 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:27 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Oh, look more victims (Score:2) | Sep 07 00:27 |
| schestowitz__ | by greytree ( 7124971 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @06:32AM (#60476066) | Sep 07 00:27 |
| schestowitz__ | Okay, I'll play: | Sep 07 00:27 |
| schestowitz__ | Ironic that someone is whining about someone complaining about whiners whining. | Sep 07 00:27 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:27 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Oh, look more victims (Score:0) | Sep 07 00:27 |
| schestowitz__ | by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 05, 2020 @09:36AM (#60476394) | Sep 07 00:27 |
| schestowitz__ | It's like RAI-AI-AIN on your wedding day... | Sep 07 00:27 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:27 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Oh, look more victims (Score:1) | Sep 07 00:27 |
| schestowitz__ | by KingRatMass ( 1448233 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @09:09AM (#60476344) | Sep 07 00:27 |
| schestowitz__ | shut up and take it like a man. Yes, I wrote "man". Shut up and take it. | Sep 07 00:27 |
| schestowitz__ | I would. I really would... | Sep 07 00:27 |
| schestowitz__ | "But man, I feel like a woman." | Sep 07 00:27 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:27 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Oh, look more victims (Score:1) | Sep 07 00:27 |
| schestowitz__ | by greytree ( 7124971 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @09:14AM (#60476354) | Sep 07 00:27 |
| schestowitz__ | "But man, I feel like a woman." | Sep 07 00:27 |
| schestowitz__ | A *natural* woman ? | Sep 07 00:27 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:27 |
| schestowitz__ | Really? (Score:-1) | Sep 07 00:27 |
| schestowitz__ | by GeoDirk ( 613484 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @06:17AM (#60476038) | Sep 07 00:27 |
| schestowitz__ | "Some observers believe that it's a plot by Microsoft to destroy the open source movement from the inside." | Sep 07 00:28 |
| schestowitz__ | Or the guy really needs to just be held accountable for his actions rather than try to start a conspiracy theory. | Sep 07 00:28 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:28 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Really? (Score:3) | Sep 07 00:28 |
| schestowitz__ | by 1s44c ( 552956 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @08:42AM (#60476294) | Sep 07 00:28 |
| schestowitz__ | Microsoft has pulled some truly devious schemes in the past. Lets not forget that. | Sep 07 00:28 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:28 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Really? (Score:0) | Sep 07 00:28 |
| schestowitz__ | by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 05, 2020 @04:58PM (#60477478) | Sep 07 00:28 |
| schestowitz__ | Sure, 20 years ago. | Sep 07 00:28 |
| schestowitz__ | This is why the Linux community fails to be taken seriously in the real world and why OSS has really run away from the community at this point with companies like Microsoft and Google being the biggest contributors - you're all a bunch of childish bitter pissants, and the real world has no time for your drama and conspiracy theories about Microsoft being out to get you. Yeah, okay then, it's so out to get you that it's now the | Sep 07 00:28 |
| schestowitz__ | single largest open source company on the planet. | Sep 07 00:28 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:28 |
| schestowitz__ | Re: Really? (Score:1) | Sep 07 00:28 |
| schestowitz__ | by Scr3wt4p3 ( 161256 ) on Sunday September 06, 2020 @10:18AM (#60478930) | Sep 07 00:28 |
| schestowitz__ | You're glowing | Sep 07 00:28 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:28 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Really? (Score:2) | Sep 07 00:28 |
| schestowitz__ | by 1s44c ( 552956 ) on Sunday September 06, 2020 @05:09PM (#60480072) | Sep 07 00:28 |
| schestowitz__ | "Sure, 20 years ago". | Sep 07 00:28 |
| schestowitz__ | Really? Microsoft have been pulling the "we are not evil anymore" line for 20+ years, foolish people believe it apparently. | Sep 07 00:28 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:28 |
| schestowitz__ | It's private (Score:1) | Sep 07 00:28 |
| schestowitz__ | by odysseus_complex ( 79966 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @10:27AM (#60476484) | Sep 07 00:28 |
| schestowitz__ | And the fine summary states that the messages were from a private mailing list. Doesn't that mean anything to anyone? If a conversation is private then it's not news. We respect privacy in the US because sometimes, in order to come to a prudent solution, you must ask imprudent questions, and that can only happen if you have a guarantee of privacy. The messages were private, therefore the story is someone violated someone else's | Sep 07 00:28 |
| schestowitz__ | privacy. | Sep 07 00:28 |
| schestowitz__ | Nothing to see here. | Sep 07 00:28 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:28 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:It's private (Score:2) | Sep 07 00:28 |
| schestowitz__ | by LordWabbit2 ( 2440804 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @11:23AM (#60476624) | Sep 07 00:28 |
| schestowitz__ | We respect privacy in the US because sometimes... | Sep 07 00:28 |
| schestowitz__ | Because sometimes your head is stuck so far up your ass you are not sure what year it is? | Sep 07 00:28 |
| schestowitz__ | Where have you been hiding? | Sep 07 00:28 |
| schestowitz__ | https://theintercept.com/2018/... [theintercept.com] | Sep 07 00:28 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 404 @ https://theintercept.com/2018/ ) | Sep 07 00:28 | |
| schestowitz__ | https://www.expressvpn.com/blo... [expressvpn.com] | Sep 07 00:28 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 404 @ https://www.expressvpn.com/blo ) | Sep 07 00:28 | |
| schestowitz__ | https://www.bbc.com/news/world... [bbc.com] | Sep 07 00:28 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.bbc.com | World - BBC News | Sep 07 00:28 | |
| schestowitz__ | https://www.aclu.org/blog/nati... [aclu.org] | Sep 07 00:28 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 404 @ https://www.aclu.org/blog/nati ) | Sep 07 00:28 | |
| schestowitz__ | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org] | Sep 07 00:28 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-en.wikipedia.org | Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Sep 07 00:28 | |
| schestowitz__ | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org] | Sep 07 00:28 |
| schestowitz__ | https://www.eff.org/nsa-spying [eff.org] | Sep 07 00:28 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.eff.org | NSA Spying | Electronic Frontier Foundation | Sep 07 00:28 | |
| schestowitz__ | I think the current American "respect for privacy" would make any SS officer come in his Lederhosen. | Sep 07 00:29 |
| schestowitz__ | But hey, in the "land of the free" you can believe anything you want.... | Sep 07 00:29 |
| schestowitz__ | https://www.washingtonpost.com... [washingtonpost.com] | Sep 07 00:29 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:29 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:It's private (Score:2) | Sep 07 00:29 |
| schestowitz__ | by drinkypoo ( 153816 ) <martin.espinoza@gmail.com> on Saturday September 05, 2020 @01:59PM (#60477022) Homepage Journal | Sep 07 00:29 |
| schestowitz__ | And the fine summary states that the messages were from a private mailing list. Doesn't that mean anything to anyone? | Sep 07 00:29 |
| schestowitz__ | It means the messages were private until they were leaked. Now they're not private any more. | Sep 07 00:29 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.washingtonpost.com | Washington Post: Breaking News, World, US, DC News & Analysis - The Washington Post | Sep 07 00:29 | |
| schestowitz__ | If a conversation is private then it's not news. | Sep 07 00:29 |
| schestowitz__ | It's not private any more. | Sep 07 00:29 |
| schestowitz__ | We respect privacy in the US | Sep 07 00:29 |
| schestowitz__ | No, we don't. Seriously, our society does not value or respect privacy. People are always nosy AF. | Sep 07 00:29 |
| schestowitz__ | in order to come to a prudent solution, you must ask imprudent questions, and that can only happen if you have a guarantee of privacy. | Sep 07 00:29 |
| schestowitz__ | Or if you just aren't a pusillanimous wimp. Grow up and learn to ask pertinent questions even if they make people uncomfortable. | Sep 07 00:29 |
| schestowitz__ | The messages were private, therefore the story is someone violated someone else's privacy. | Sep 07 00:29 |
| schestowitz__ | That part of the story is that some people thought some messages they posted unencrypted to the internets would remain private. Or put another way, stupid assumptions were made. | Sep 07 00:29 |
| schestowitz__ | Nothing to see here. | Sep 07 00:29 |
| schestowitz__ | If you meant there was no value in your comment, agreemsg | Sep 07 00:29 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:29 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:It's private (Score:-1) | Sep 07 00:29 |
| schestowitz__ | by noshellswill ( 598066 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @11:08AM (#60476592) | Sep 07 00:29 |
| schestowitz__ | We do not respect Trotsky-slut privacy ... vis' our OS or anything else. We expose scheming thought-crimish cabals, crush them out with an iron boot-heel , bleach neo-Stalinist plots in the glare of public awareness and drive smirking prog.lib perps into-the-mud. Dogs can chew their bones. Any questions ? | Sep 07 00:29 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:29 |
| schestowitz__ | Open source, but close down speech. (Score:1, Insightful) | Sep 07 00:29 |
| schestowitz__ | by MorgothTheMighty ( 527790 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @09:23AM (#60476376) | Sep 07 00:29 |
| schestowitz__ | Do you see how far the poison has spread children? Social justice is a brain virus. | Sep 07 00:29 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:29 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Open source, but close down speech. (Score:2) | Sep 07 00:29 |
| schestowitz__ | by drinkypoo ( 153816 ) <martin.espinoza@gmail.com> on Saturday September 05, 2020 @01:52PM (#60477004) Homepage Journal | Sep 07 00:29 |
| schestowitz__ | Debian is not just Open Source, it is Free Software. | Sep 07 00:29 |
| schestowitz__ | Despite the efforts of the OSI to convince you otherwise, all Open Source means is that — get this! — the source is open. As established by the Unix community in the nineties, "Open" means documented and interoperable. | Sep 07 00:29 |
| schestowitz__ | Linux and Debian are fundamentally about Freedom, specifically Freedom to use the software as you see fit. It's reasonable for them to be opposed to things that stand in the way of that, and one of those things is attacks on people's person or social group. That stuff has no place in Free Software. There are plenty of places to express such sentiments, and no good reason for Debian to be one of them. | Sep 07 00:29 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:29 |
| schestowitz__ | Linus and FSF deserve each other. (Score:0) | Sep 07 00:29 |
| schestowitz__ | by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 05, 2020 @06:22AM (#60476044) | Sep 07 00:29 |
| schestowitz__ | Old observers must be remembering M$'s embrace, extend, and extinguish. Simple minded people pray for the one true way. | Sep 07 00:29 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:29 |
| schestowitz__ | Dearest Debian (Score:0, Flamebait) | Sep 07 00:29 |
| schestowitz__ | by FudRucker ( 866063 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @06:37AM (#60476084) | Sep 07 00:29 |
| schestowitz__ | please GFY & FOAD, nobody wants your pissy SJW attitude, when you switched to systemd instead of keeping debian open enough to allow users to choose their init system you lost all my respect | Sep 07 00:29 |
| schestowitz__ | sincerely the FudRucker | Sep 07 00:30 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:30 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Dearest Debian (Score:0) | Sep 07 00:30 |
| schestowitz__ | by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 05, 2020 @08:15AM (#60476248) | Sep 07 00:30 |
| schestowitz__ | You've been trolled. | Sep 07 00:30 |
| schestowitz__ | This entire thread is dishonest clickbait/flamebait. | Sep 07 00:30 |
| schestowitz__ | It happened SIX years ago, and nothing came of it. | Sep 07 00:30 |
| schestowitz__ | Shit stirring to the max. | Sep 07 00:30 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:30 |
| schestowitz__ | Appslure (Score:-1) | Sep 07 00:30 |
| schestowitz__ | by appslure ( 4381085 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @06:44AM (#60476102) | Sep 07 00:30 |
| schestowitz__ | Best Service provider company https://bit.ly/3dN7Aba [bit.ly] | Sep 07 00:30 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:30 |
| schestowitz__ | News For Nerds... back in 2014 (Score:1) | Sep 07 00:30 |
| schestowitz__ | by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 05, 2020 @06:52AM (#60476120) | Sep 07 00:30 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.appslure.com | Mobile App Development Company in Delhi, Noida, Gurgaon, Best App Developers Delhi NCR, iOS, Android App Development Delhi | Sep 07 00:30 | |
| schestowitz__ | Come on, BeauHD, couldn't you find any relevant news from 2020? | Sep 07 00:30 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:30 |
| schestowitz__ | Is this really about Stallman? (Score:1) | Sep 07 00:30 |
| schestowitz__ | by itskkane ( 7210022 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @07:48AM (#60476192) | Sep 07 00:30 |
| schestowitz__ | Seems like Linus bad mouths the FSF. Stallman acolytes angry over Stallman getting rightfully run out of town for defending a child molester decide to dredge up 6 year old nonsense to get Linus "the way they got Stallman". | Sep 07 00:30 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:30 |
| schestowitz__ | Linux man bad (Score:1) | Sep 07 00:30 |
| schestowitz__ | by quall ( 1441799 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @07:56AM (#60476208) | Sep 07 00:30 |
| schestowitz__ | Let's cancel Linus because my feelings got hurt?!!? | Sep 07 00:30 |
| schestowitz__ | You know, you have to blame the older (my) generation for these cry babies. I mean we're the ones who taught them to be selfish, and not respect other people's views. This is the outcome of PC culture and it's a nightmare. It's like they need sensitivity training, as-in, they need to be taught to be less sensitive to views of others whom they disagree with. They need to learn how to stop being bothered by what other people think | Sep 07 00:30 |
| schestowitz__ | or say. It's almost surreal. "Sticks and stones may break my bones" is obviously a rhyme that they never heard of as a child, or at least it no longer applies. | Sep 07 00:30 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:30 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Linux man bad (Score:0) | Sep 07 00:30 |
| schestowitz__ | by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 05, 2020 @08:07AM (#60476236) | Sep 07 00:30 |
| schestowitz__ | This entire thread is dishonest clickbait/flamebait. | Sep 07 00:30 |
| schestowitz__ | It happened SIX years ago, and nothing came of it. | Sep 07 00:30 |
| schestowitz__ | Shit stirring to the max. | Sep 07 00:30 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:30 |
| schestowitz__ | Code of Conduct (Score:1) | Sep 07 00:30 |
| schestowitz__ | by sebrk ( 4128413 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @08:05AM (#60476228) | Sep 07 00:30 |
| schestowitz__ | Your feelings are hurting my thoughts. | Sep 07 00:30 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:30 |
| schestowitz__ | Post is old, false and flamebait. (Score:0) | Sep 07 00:30 |
| schestowitz__ | by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 05, 2020 @08:17AM (#60476256) | Sep 07 00:30 |
| schestowitz__ | So, the post refers to something that actually took place in 2014, hence old. | Sep 07 00:30 |
| schestowitz__ | The post title is false, in that it uses present tense where it should have used past tense. | Sep 07 00:31 |
| schestowitz__ | Thus, the post is flamebait, intended to stir up noise. | Sep 07 00:31 |
| schestowitz__ | In conclusion, shame on the submitter Artem S. Tashkinov for submitting it in the first place, and shame on BeauHD for letting it through. Shame on both of you. You are disgraceful. | Sep 07 00:31 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:31 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Post is old, false and flamebait. (Score:1) | Sep 07 00:31 |
| schestowitz__ | by tender-matser ( 938909 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @10:53AM (#60476554) | Sep 07 00:31 |
| schestowitz__ | That "Artem S. Tashkinov" is a deluded individual who imagines himself as some kind of great puppetmaster. | Sep 07 00:31 |
| schestowitz__ | The whole situation would be ridiculous, but in these Trump and QAnon times, it's irresponsible to dismiss /anything/ out of hand. A situation where an obscure troll like that Artyom guy would get to be running or driving policies for some project like Linux or Debian is (sadly) very imaginable nowadays. | Sep 07 00:31 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:31 |
| schestowitz__ | Full of s**t (Score:1) | Sep 07 00:31 |
| schestowitz__ | by GioMac ( 862536 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @08:39AM (#60476288) | Sep 07 00:31 |
| schestowitz__ | Debian "community". | Sep 07 00:31 |
| schestowitz__ | "Debian GNU/Linux" | Sep 07 00:31 |
| schestowitz__ | Why can they just be professional and make things work? They always cry like 10 year old girl. | Sep 07 00:31 |
| schestowitz__ | "meeeh, we don't want systemd, becausee... becausee.. it doesn't run on windows!" | Sep 07 00:31 |
| schestowitz__ | "meeh, we don't want to use xyz, because it's.. because it's written by redhat developers" | Sep 07 00:31 |
| schestowitz__ | "meeeh, we don't want to include 123, because it's sponsored by suse!" | Sep 07 00:31 |
| schestowitz__ | mtfck, then do something useful for community by yourself! Code, sponsor, deliver, create. | Sep 07 00:31 |
| schestowitz__ | 20 years of complaining, and when they are criticized - they're starting whining. | Sep 07 00:31 |
| schestowitz__ | Do your job and do it good! | Sep 07 00:31 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:31 |
| schestowitz__ | BLM infiltration attempt into OS... (Score:0, Troll) | Sep 07 00:31 |
| schestowitz__ | by Brane2 ( 608748 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @08:55AM (#60476314) | Sep 07 00:31 |
| schestowitz__ | They seem to want to soften the top of the team and establish "new normal" that encompases external control and mutual spying and reporting between leaders. | Sep 07 00:31 |
| schestowitz__ | As always, the go about it in very gradual and roundabout way, to avoid raising suspicion: | Sep 07 00:31 |
| schestowitz__ | https://www.reddit.com/r/consp... [reddit.com] | Sep 07 00:31 |
| schestowitz__ | https://www.reddit.com/r/consp... [reddit.com] | Sep 07 00:31 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.reddit.com | consp | Sep 07 00:31 | |
| schestowitz__ | https://www.reddit.com/r/consp... [reddit.com] | Sep 07 00:31 |
| schestowitz__ | This stuff is in massive use in EU, not just for surveillance, nut also for evidence planting etc: | Sep 07 00:31 |
| schestowitz__ | https://www.reddit.com/r/consp... [reddit.com] | Sep 07 00:31 |
| schestowitz__ | https://www.reddit.com/r/consp... [reddit.com] | Sep 07 00:31 |
| schestowitz__ | and typical "harvest" in EU ( one of many): | Sep 07 00:31 |
| schestowitz__ | https://www.reddit.com/r/consp... [reddit.com] | Sep 07 00:31 |
| schestowitz__ | Same groups in stretching their legs in USA: | Sep 07 00:31 |
| schestowitz__ | https://www.reddit.com/r/consp... [reddit.com] | Sep 07 00:31 |
| schestowitz__ | https://www.reddit.com/r/consp... [reddit.com] | Sep 07 00:31 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:31 |
| schestowitz__ | No, just no! (Score:1) | Sep 07 00:31 |
| schestowitz__ | by MikeTheBike ( 802199 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @09:40AM (#60476396) | Sep 07 00:31 |
| schestowitz__ | Ok, so the 2+2=5 crowd is now trying to run the software off the same cliff as everything else they have touched. | Sep 07 00:31 |
| schestowitz__ | I don't care if someone is naked, has 8 arms, is green, or has a soft spot for sleeping with vegetables... if they produce great stuff that I would use so what? I'm never going to be as racist, sexist, or phobe the "woke" crowd prove themselves to be, time and time again. | Sep 07 00:32 |
| schestowitz__ | The soft-skinned weiners of the no-good social "sciences" are not to be given any room to in any way try to run the functioning good western liberal democracy that has allowed them to voice their pitiful grievances because they have existential angst based in them feeling guilty about having a good life. | Sep 07 00:32 |
| schestowitz__ | Go out in the world and help the people that are TRULY oppressed instead. Perhaps they could start by living in another country to realize how spoiled they are! | Sep 07 00:32 |
| schestowitz__ | So NO, just NO! | Sep 07 00:32 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:32 |
| schestowitz__ | What idiot from 1990 thinks it was Microsoft? (Score:0) | Sep 07 00:32 |
| schestowitz__ | by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 05, 2020 @10:47AM (#60476534) | Sep 07 00:32 |
| schestowitz__ | My gosh. We not only have badly behaved people like Linus, but we apparently have conspiracy theorists that time traveled from 1990 in our midst. Microsoft? Really? I'd call those conspiracy theorists a bunch of names but then I'd also get banned under the CoC. | Sep 07 00:32 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:32 |
| schestowitz__ | Adieu~ (Score:1) | Sep 07 00:32 |
| schestowitz__ | by aka5539 ( 7089871 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @11:22AM (#60476620) | Sep 07 00:32 |
| schestowitz__ | Time to move from Debian and it's derivatives (especially what includes systemd). | Sep 07 00:32 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:32 |
| schestowitz__ | DebConf 2014 Video Archive (Score:1) | Sep 07 00:32 |
| schestowitz__ | by MHoes ( 7210650 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @11:52AM (#60476678) | Sep 07 00:32 |
| schestowitz__ | Apparently, it's all about a 45 minute Q&A on DebConf2014 with Torvalds. The DebConf video archive has the video here : https://meetings-archive.debia... [debian.net] | Sep 07 00:32 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Failed connect to meetings-archive.debia:443; Connection refused ( status 0 @ https://meetings-archive.debia ) | Sep 07 00:32 | |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:32 |
| schestowitz__ | "'Linusgate': Debian Project Leaders Want To Ban L (Score:1) | Sep 07 00:32 |
| schestowitz__ | by Find Available Name ( 6650284 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @12:04PM (#60476708) | Sep 07 00:32 |
| schestowitz__ | Now, there's a childish framing of whatever happened. | Sep 07 00:32 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:32 |
| schestowitz__ | Better idea (Score:0) | Sep 07 00:32 |
| schestowitz__ | by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 05, 2020 @12:34PM (#60476768) | Sep 07 00:32 |
| schestowitz__ | IMNSHO, the Debian project leaders should be disposed of for being thin-skinned panti-wastes. Same goes for that CoC, get rid of it. | Sep 07 00:32 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:32 |
| schestowitz__ | Linux Is Too Important To Censor Anyone Involved (Score:1) | Sep 07 00:32 |
| schestowitz__ | by RayDonaldPratt ( 6966556 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @06:19PM (#60477600) | Sep 07 00:32 |
| schestowitz__ | I am seeing censorship show up in both the public and private sphere more than ever, and it always has a side--it always supports some entity that wants more power. As a high-level example, President Trump signed an Executive Order that withholds financial funding for any university that hosts anyone who speaks in favor of the Palestinian Boycott, Divest and Sanctions ("BDS") movement, and yet President Trump vociferously | Sep 07 00:32 |
| schestowitz__ | complains whenever one of his late-night twittergasms gets censored. So, he clearly does not believe in some fictional community standard for political speech, but only in supporting his point of view, and he is perfectly willing to censor any point of view that he disagrees with. No one is perfect, but Linus Torvalds is certainly very good at caring for his baby, Linux, and he will even use utterly disrespectful words towards | Sep 07 00:32 |
| schestowitz__ | anyone and everyone that tries to make his baby look stupid with bad code. Who wants bad code? Every slime bag in the NSA, CIA, Mossad, et al. Leave Linus alone, Linux is too important. | Sep 07 00:32 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:32 |
| schestowitz__ | Why do people from the US care? (Score:2) | Sep 07 00:32 |
| schestowitz__ | by Gonoff ( 88518 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @06:26PM (#60477608) | Sep 07 00:32 |
| schestowitz__ | As a nation, you seem to care more about bad language and sex than you do about violence. | Sep 07 00:32 |
| schestowitz__ | As an example, think back to Janet Jacksons "wardrobe malfunction" when one of her boobs was on display for a fraction of a second. Then think back to before ground forces went into Iraq. We can think about the right or wrongness of that another day but the bombing and sanctions were estimated at the time to be causing over 100,000 civilian casualties. The fact that most people will have to google that but so many will have heard | Sep 07 00:32 |
| schestowitz__ | about Ms Jacksons "event" shows what is important. | Sep 07 00:32 |
| schestowitz__ | Your press and politicians went absolutely nuts about her. Important people lost their jobs. New regulations were introduced, time delays were set up so that this appalling display could never happen again. The British politician who went before Congress and gave them the figure of 100 thousand was criticised and then it was never mentioned again. Did it ever get into your newspapers or on your TVs? | Sep 07 00:32 |
| schestowitz__ | Stop worrying about Linus' potty mouth. English is not his first (or second) language. Swearing is often what English speakers do when they don't have sufficient vocabulary. How good are your Finnish and Swedish vocabularies? | Sep 07 00:32 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:32 |
| schestowitz__ | Potty Mouth Linus (Score:1) | Sep 07 00:32 |
| schestowitz__ | by timeecho ( 7211754 ) on Saturday September 05, 2020 @09:12PM (#60477864) | Sep 07 00:33 |
| schestowitz__ | I doubt the community need be influenced much by effeminate sensitive dweebs. Torvalds is bold and a trend setter Get over yourselves. | Sep 07 00:33 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:33 |
| schestowitz__ | Sun rises east ... (Score:2) | Sep 07 00:33 |
| schestowitz__ | by starling ( 26204 ) <strayling20@gmail.com> on Sunday September 06, 2020 @01:25AM (#60478172) | Sep 07 00:33 |
| schestowitz__ | ... Debian gets all preachy. | Sep 07 00:33 |
| schestowitz__ | Same as it ever was. | Sep 07 00:33 |
| schestowitz__ | I knew switching from Slackware was a mistake. Heck, I should have stuck with SLS. | Sep 07 00:33 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:33 |
| schestowitz__ | Re:Sun rises east ... (Score:2) | Sep 07 00:33 |
| schestowitz__ | by cas2000 ( 148703 ) on Sunday September 06, 2020 @09:24AM (#60478816) | Sep 07 00:33 |
| schestowitz__ | > I knew switching from Slackware was a mistake. Heck, I should have stuck with SLS. | Sep 07 00:33 |
| schestowitz__ | Trouble is, SLS was shit. Slackware still is. | Sep 07 00:33 |
| schestowitz__ | I know that because I used both of them, and MCC, before settling on Debian in '94. | Sep 07 00:33 |
| schestowitz__ | SLS & MCC had an excuse back then because that was the state of the art until decent package management software & practices came along. Slackware had the same excuse at the time - but that excuse wore out over two decades ago. Now it's just for those who want to jerk off over pointless make-work. | Sep 07 00:33 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:33 |
| schestowitz__ | Classic Slashdot (Score:2) | Sep 07 00:33 |
| schestowitz__ | by TheRealSlimShady ( 253441 ) on Sunday September 06, 2020 @05:39AM (#60478480) | Sep 07 00:33 |
| schestowitz__ | Six years ago is "ancient history" for some emails to surface, but the Halloween memos twenty years ago is still held up as proof of Microsoft's bad faith in open source. | Sep 07 00:33 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:33 |
| schestowitz__ | Snowflake alert! (Score:1) | Sep 07 00:33 |
| schestowitz__ | by MerlTurkin ( 598333 ) on Sunday September 06, 2020 @07:27AM (#60478604) | Sep 07 00:33 |
| schestowitz__ | A 6 year old story by over sensitive clods. Fuck 'em. Cry more for me. | Sep 07 00:33 |
| schestowitz__ | Flag as Inappropriate | Sep 07 00:33 |
| schestowitz__ | One problem with that last bit. (Score:2) | Sep 07 00:33 |
| schestowitz__ | by LenKagetsu ( 6196102 ) on Sunday September 06, 2020 @01:40PM (#60479526) | Sep 07 00:33 |
| schestowitz__ | Microsoft bought Github when it was in danger of going under, and even before that was a tremendous contributor to open-source software. Looking at their page they have over 3600 repositories alone and it would've been a trivial matter for them to just open a rival site and let it crash and burn. MS has fuck-all to do with this and it's simply a harassment mob trying to make a hostile takeover. | Sep 07 00:33 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 07 00:33 |
| schestowitz__ | > What sucks is that I’m going to have to dig up a PC to do this with because of the outlook format | Sep 07 02:19 |
| schestowitz__ | Yeah, PST is a proprietary mess. I can deal much better with mbox format, e.g. http://schestowitz.com/Selected_Mail/2020/debconf-torvalds-private/threads.html | Sep 07 02:19 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com | Linusgate | Sep 07 02:19 | |
| schestowitz__ | This got 500 comments in recent days. | Sep 07 02:19 |
| schestowitz__ | I'm thinking, I can reproduced the three parts from Medium with many private emails added to them. They can't censor THAT! | Sep 07 02:19 |
| MinceR | lol @ microshit shills swarming | Sep 07 02:23 |
| MinceR | "it would've been a trivial matter for them to just open a rival site" -- yeah, they could have called it codeplex | Sep 07 02:24 |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/FOSSForce/status/1302784149498060801 | Sep 07 03:02 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@FOSSForce: Deb's got a million bucks?: Debian Has Always Been Politically Chaotic, But Now Things Seem to Have Stabilised Some… https://t.co/jPLd11Urpu | Sep 07 03:02 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@FOSSForce: Deb's got a million bucks?: Debian Has Always Been Politically Chaotic, But Now Things Seem to Have Stabilised Some… https://t.co/jPLd11Urpu | Sep 07 03:02 | |
| schestowitz__ | "Deb's got a million bucks?: Debian Has Always Been Politically Chaotic, But Now Things Seem to Have Stabilised Somewhat (and There's a Million Bucks in the Bank)" | Sep 07 03:02 |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/VeetinP/status/1302717104395874307 | Sep 07 03:02 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@VeetinP: SJW's are trying to force Linus Torvalds out of Linux because he isn't always politically correct. His talk had a c… https://t.co/6R3ehCJi8H | Sep 07 03:02 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@VeetinP: SJW's are trying to force Linus Torvalds out of Linux because he isn't always politically correct. His talk had a c… https://t.co/6R3ehCJi8H | Sep 07 03:03 | |
| schestowitz__ | "SJW's are trying to force Linus Torvalds out of Linux because he isn't always politically correct. His talk had a content warning but apparently it wasn't enough. This is not satire. CoC is a trojan and Bitcoin should never adopt it. cc: @giacomozucco" | Sep 07 03:03 |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/VeetinP/status/1302717608630923268 | Sep 07 03:03 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@VeetinP: Btw: the emails are from 2014, but they were published this weekend. | Sep 07 03:03 | |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/CantillonEffet/status/1302767231584145408 | Sep 07 03:03 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@CantillonEffet: @VeetinP @saifedean @giacomozucco There's a difference between tolerance and respect. Respect has to be earned, whi… https://t.co/5vepe5eAWR | Sep 07 03:03 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@CantillonEffet: @VeetinP @saifedean @giacomozucco There's a difference between tolerance and respect. Respect has to be earned, whi… https://t.co/5vepe5eAWR | Sep 07 03:03 | |
| schestowitz__ | "There's a difference between tolerance and respect. Respect has to be earned, while tolerance means I'll give you the freedom to exercise your rights - for exampe of free speech." | Sep 07 03:03 |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/NockYourArrows/status/1302759721833820160 | Sep 07 03:03 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@NockYourArrows: @VeetinP @saifedean @giacomozucco Can we backout the CoC? | Sep 07 03:03 | |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/CaliJeffPeters/status/1302718955438497793 | Sep 07 03:03 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@CaliJeffPeters: @VeetinP @giacomozucco I’ll bet he didn’t expect The Spanish Inquisition. | Sep 07 03:04 | |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/giacomozucco/status/1302719127799373825 | Sep 07 03:04 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@giacomozucco: @CaliJeffPeters @VeetinP https://t.co/yQhamMhD4u | Sep 07 03:04 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@giacomozucco: @CaliJeffPeters @VeetinP https://t.co/yQhamMhD4u | Sep 07 03:04 | |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/giacomozucco/status/1302717368125321216 | Sep 07 03:04 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@giacomozucco: @VeetinP Best pronouns. | Sep 07 03:04 | |
| schestowitz__ | > Plain text version attached, as done sometimes (I'm sure he prefers it | Sep 07 04:21 |
| schestowitz__ | > to plain text email, that's why) | Sep 07 04:21 |
| schestowitz__ | Yes, attachment is vastly better. Thank you! | Sep 07 04:21 |
| schestowitz__ | https://www.jweekly.com/2020/09/04/former-aclu-president-says-censoring-hate-speech-can-backfire-just-like-it-did-in-germany/ | Sep 07 07:45 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.jweekly.com | Censoring hate speech can backfire – just like it did in Germany | Sep 07 07:45 | |
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| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/jmcest/status/1303003499609960450 | Sep 07 17:33 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@jmcest: "bombing is profitable and changing words is cheap" [but the PR game of 'offensive' word changing is also potential… https://t.co/aaV2chpEc9 | Sep 07 17:33 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@jmcest: "bombing is profitable and changing words is cheap" [but the PR game of 'offensive' word changing is also potential… https://t.co/aaV2chpEc9 | Sep 07 17:33 | |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 07 17:33 |
| schestowitz__ | "bombing is profitable and changing words is cheap" | Sep 07 17:33 |
| schestowitz__ | [but the PR game of 'offensive' word changing is also potentially harmful in neglected consequences, including for the targets of 'concern', as the consequences of terminology wreckage in code/documentation/configuration spread] | Sep 07 17:33 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 07 17:33 |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/Nisanta80889513/status/1302994719853617152 | Sep 07 17:33 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Nisanta80889513: https://t.co/vKnJrdtBW4 https://t.co/aFRGJeBFxT | Sep 07 17:33 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-302 redirect with weird Location: index.php | Sep 07 17:33 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: "Amazon accuses Donald Trump of politically weaponizing the contract due to his hostility towards AWS and Washingto… https://t.co/U6imTtvKUv | Sep 07 17:33 | |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/1302881453311754240 | Sep 07 17:34 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@zoobab: @schestowitz Downtime when free SSL services like Letsencrypt decide to revoke your certificate at the last minute. | Sep 07 17:34 | |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/Emilinehope/status/1302878925081767936 | Sep 07 17:34 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Emilinehope: @schestowitz WTF is wrong with with you America! 😡😡😡😡😢😢😢😢 | Sep 07 17:34 | |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/AnnieP20501243/status/1302806973390356480 | Sep 07 17:35 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@AnnieP20501243: @TheJigisUp10 @EllaaaCruzzz @CzebotarJessie @CathyCathyFox @SaRaAshcraft @rosemcgowan @PalmBeachMR @namelyliberty… https://t.co/iMDRURzKhi | Sep 07 17:35 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@AnnieP20501243: @TheJigisUp10 @EllaaaCruzzz @CzebotarJessie @CathyCathyFox @SaRaAshcraft @rosemcgowan @PalmBeachMR @namelyliberty… https://t.co/iMDRURzKhi | Sep 07 17:35 | |
| schestowitz__ | "It was so bad I even had to call the paramedics May of 2014 cuz he had had another surgery it was spreading his arm he refused to go unless I took him six hours in the emergency room IV antibiotics" | Sep 07 17:35 |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/TheAnonNetwork/status/1302796678500683776 | Sep 07 17:36 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@TheAnonNetwork: @schestowitz grammar nazis. :( | Sep 07 17:36 | |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/weh_kaniini/status/1302788437175660551 | Sep 07 17:36 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@weh_kaniini: oh my god: @schestowitz got ahold of the debian-private mailing list archives and is releasing it. 🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿 https://t.co/uMwQbAEa54 | Sep 07 17:36 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: Reality and Expectation: #GNU / #Linux Isn't Hiding Anything and That Makes It a Lot Stronger (No Embarrassing 'Lea… https://t.co/QIWU8cLUl5 | Sep 07 17:36 | |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/jamesabernard/status/1302722791993610240 | Sep 07 17:37 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@jamesabernard: @schestowitz From 1996! How's their relationship now? | Sep 07 17:37 | |
| schestowitz__ | newly-released | Sep 07 17:37 |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/rosammat/status/1302685740136984576 | Sep 07 17:38 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@rosammat: @IlseKohler https://t.co/7mlOIUaaY8 | Sep 07 17:38 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: Can anyone make sense of what he says? https://t.co/RSjJxoD68d | Sep 07 17:38 | |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/jmcest/status/1302659654724485122 | Sep 07 17:38 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@jmcest: Bloody #ToxicCivility everywhere. To hell with code quality, make "manners" of the essence, never mind if those you… https://t.co/MtuVAJmWKD | Sep 07 17:38 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@jmcest: Bloody #ToxicCivility everywhere. To hell with code quality, make "manners" of the essence, never mind if those you… https://t.co/MtuVAJmWKD | Sep 07 17:38 | |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 07 17:38 |
| schestowitz__ | Bloody #ToxicCivility everywhere. | Sep 07 17:38 |
| schestowitz__ | To hell with code quality, make "manners" of the essence, never mind if those you allege to be do concerned about end up not 'offended' but actually harmed. | Sep 07 17:38 |
| schestowitz__ | Non-gentle reminder: code quality can sometimes be a matter of life-or-death. | Sep 07 17:38 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 07 17:38 |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/SHP_Law/status/1302652197474365441 | Sep 07 17:39 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@SHP_Law: Great song from #Springstein however. Protected by #copyright https://t.co/x1w0EBU0Qa | Sep 07 17:39 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: BORN IN THE USA Fails to Function as a #Trademark for Clothing, Says #TTAB https://t.co/RYXfUpuodG over- #protectionism | Sep 07 17:39 | |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/Peterwyck29/status/1302607221549924352 | Sep 07 17:39 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Peterwyck29: @schestowitz The term “patent troll” is propaganda used by the ignorant or tools of #serialinfringers https://t.co/hKA43ZklRz | Sep 07 17:39 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Peterwyck29: @schestowitz The term “patent troll” is propaganda used by the ignorant or tools of #serialinfringers https://t.co/hKA43ZklRz | Sep 07 17:39 | |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/ohmojohasi/status/1302606763884150785 | Sep 07 17:39 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@ohmojohasi: @schestowitz ORDENTLICHST | Sep 07 17:39 | |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/ohmojohasi/status/1302596741036900353 | Sep 07 17:39 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@ohmojohasi: @schestowitz ORDENTLICHST | Sep 07 17:39 | |
| schestowitz__ | https://pleroma.site/notice/9yuuk9AnUX3Y9gjMhc | Sep 07 17:41 |
| schestowitz__ | "Read: Mozilla is is combining the telemetry team with the browser team" | Sep 07 17:41 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-fedi.absturztau.be | Pleroma | Sep 07 17:41 | |
| schestowitz__ | https://pleroma.site/notice/9yulezNzYN8OlWMsiG | Sep 07 17:41 |
| schestowitz__ | " absolutely disgusting" | Sep 07 17:42 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-social.masto.host | Eric Shields - ⓂassTransitKrow: "@schestowitz@pleroma.site absolutely disgusting" - Mastodon | Sep 07 17:42 | |
| schestowitz__ | https://pleroma.site/notice/9yuO5M4VQv8RklIEUa | Sep 07 17:42 |
| schestowitz__ | " That applies to anything non-optional. Like X-Window, which is of little use on a server. They should keep things optional as much as possible." | Sep 07 17:42 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-fosstodon.org | Mari Donkers: "@schestowitz@pleroma.site That applies to anythin…" - Fosstodon | Sep 07 17:42 | |
| schestowitz__ | https://pleroma.site/notice/9yu32315j0oAkUHGuO | Sep 07 17:42 |
| schestowitz__ | " Is this about the epstein thing?" | Sep 07 17:42 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-blob.cat | Blob/Cat | Sep 07 17:42 | |
| schestowitz__ | https://pleroma.site/notice/9ytawkFPHciqNBelyi | Sep 07 17:43 |
| schestowitz__ | " these were great ideas!" | Sep 07 17:43 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-linuxrocks.online | NixiИ: "@schestowitz@pleroma.site these were great ideas!" - LinuxRocks.Online | Sep 07 17:43 | |
| schestowitz__ | https://pleroma.site/notice/9ytZL8KrB1PW7chv1s | Sep 07 17:43 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-linuxrocks.online | NixiИ: "@schestowitz@pleroma.site "there is no money to d…" - LinuxRocks.Online | Sep 07 17:43 | |
| schestowitz__ | " "there is no money to do tests." the line spouting from people that have nothing to do with the national budget." | Sep 07 17:43 |
| schestowitz__ | https://pleroma.site/notice/9ytOvI5RIep3IJXCm8 | Sep 07 17:44 |
| schestowitz__ | "Apparently machine-translated... | Sep 07 17:44 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-campaign.openworlds.info | #WikiParty: "@schestowitz@pleroma.site Apparently machine-tran…" - Campaign | Sep 07 17:44 | |
| schestowitz__ | https://pleroma.site/notice/9ytHaFGFuWnslqbyBk | Sep 07 17:44 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 07 17:44 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-mastodon.zaclys.com | Nube: "@schestowitz@pleroma.site How can you swallow tha…" - Mastodon.zaclys.com | Sep 07 17:44 | |
| schestowitz__ | How can you swallow that Putin would have ordered to poison #Navalny just NOW? And failed? :) | Sep 07 17:44 |
| schestowitz__ | Bonus: Where is Skripal and his daughter? 🙂 Why since 2 years no journalists went to interview Skripal, or only ask where is Skripal? | Sep 07 17:44 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 07 17:44 |
| schestowitz__ | https://pleroma.site/notice/9ytA7kJefgL70afHto | Sep 07 17:44 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-linuxrocks.online | NixiИ: "@schestowitz@pleroma.site what is s browser? curl…" - LinuxRocks.Online | Sep 07 17:44 | |
| schestowitz__ | "what is s browser? curl is a real browser. it gobbles the web that in turn is digested by w3m or else at the other end of a pipe." | Sep 07 17:44 |
| schestowitz__ | https://pleroma.site/notice/9yt6NeVTddVfo9WXUe | Sep 07 17:45 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-linuxrocks.online | NixiИ: "@schestowitz@pleroma.site i imagine they prepare …" - LinuxRocks.Online | Sep 07 17:45 | |
| schestowitz__ | " i imagine they prepare to celebrate tulsa century? none were convicted of crimes against humanity. a memorial was not made to discourage a repeat. instead negroes, latinos and orientals are astigmatized as pollutants that cause problems wherever we go." | Sep 07 17:45 |
| schestowitz__ | https://pleroma.site/notice/9yt1gBt3lntymEZhrs | Sep 07 17:45 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-linuxrocks.online | NixiИ: "@schestowitz@pleroma.site did intel really name n…" - LinuxRocks.Online | Sep 07 17:45 | |
| schestowitz__ | " did intel really name name that intel wireless daemon or such?" | Sep 07 17:45 |
| schestowitz__ | https://pleroma.site/notice/9ysuDwENgbgcQu8360 | Sep 07 17:45 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-linuxrocks.online | NixiИ: "@schestowitz@pleroma.site something wrong in that…" - LinuxRocks.Online | Sep 07 17:45 | |
| schestowitz__ | "something wrong in that url." | Sep 07 17:45 |
| schestowitz__ | https://pleroma.site/notice/9ys8xH8A269kU2lvTk | Sep 07 17:46 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 07 17:46 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-pleroma.tilde.zone | Pleroma | Sep 07 17:46 | |
| schestowitz__ | Hey we all get to that <em>fuckyou</em> position at some point. | Sep 07 17:46 |
| schestowitz__ | Its a healthy reaction. | Sep 07 17:46 |
| schestowitz__ | I would have apologised to the HAM radio guys personally though :) | Sep 07 17:46 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 07 17:46 |
| schestowitz__ | https://pleroma.site/notice/9yrhXSwYnDAgpSoYsK | Sep 07 17:46 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-noagendasocial.com | Sabex 🇦🇺🏴☣️🚔: "@distrotube@mastodon.technology @schestowitz@pler…" - No Agenda Social | Sep 07 17:46 | |
| schestowitz__ | "I didn't even know the other foundations existed." | Sep 07 17:46 |
| schestowitz__ | https://pleroma.site/notice/9yrg9i9UUpFL5qyJLU | Sep 07 17:47 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-mastodon.technology | Derek Taylor 🐧: "@schestowitz@pleroma.site Now that it strange tha…" - Mastodon for Tech Folks | Sep 07 17:47 | |
| schestowitz__ | "Now that it strange that the various FSF's are all independent. I dare say that most people that donate to the other FSF's don't know this. I didn't know this@! Thanks for pointing this out." | Sep 07 17:47 |
| schestowitz__ | http://techrights.org/2020/08/22/fsf-fsfe-dispute/ | Sep 07 17:47 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Leak: FSF/FSFE Trademark Dispute (FSF Demanding That FSFE Should Change the Organisation’s Name) | Techrights | Sep 07 17:47 | |
| schestowitz__ | https://pleroma.site/notice/9yqxTyO9LLZnIv7EvY | Sep 07 17:47 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-linuxrocks.online | NixiИ: "@schestowitz@pleroma.site 'In addition, they can …" - LinuxRocks.Online | Sep 07 17:47 | |
| schestowitz__ | "'In addition, they can help participants by sharing the “loot” expropriated and, in some remarkable incidences, build viable political organizations.' boston tea party, anyone?" | Sep 07 17:47 |
| schestowitz__ | https://pleroma.site/notice/9yqqu5Qv4gVj0Eurke | Sep 07 17:48 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 404 @ https://octodon.social/@M33/104812811452415412 ) | Sep 07 17:48 | |
| schestowitz__ | "sidenote: well if you like it why not boost the original toot ? You have an audience (I don't)" | Sep 07 17:48 |
| schestowitz__ | https://pleroma.site/notice/9yqoJiec5cVY1NquA4 | Sep 07 17:48 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-fosstodon.org | Davide Lombardo :debian:: "@schestowitz@pleroma.site @distrotube@mastodon.te…" - Fosstodon | Sep 07 17:48 | |
| schestowitz__ | "@distrotube@mastodon.technolog What is the news ? The Linux Foundation is the Linus Torvalds realm not the Richard M. Stallman one." | Sep 07 17:48 |
| schestowitz__ | https://pleroma.site/notice/9yqjCTyjkqd4hyzkHo | Sep 07 17:49 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-linuxrocks.online | NixiИ: "@schestowitz@pleroma.site these could be craters …" - LinuxRocks.Online | Sep 07 17:49 | |
| schestowitz__ | "these could be craters left in the crust after earth ejected 'pus'. would be great to know if the have mapped the arteries and veins around the holes to see which have been diverted or truncated." | Sep 07 17:49 |
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| schestowitz__ | >> Yes, attachment is vastly better. Thank you! | Sep 07 22:15 |
| schestowitz__ | > No worries, I know it's your preference. If I CC then I may also paste the text in for those recipients, but you come first in this pecking order. I try to always use an attachment. | Sep 07 22:15 |
| schestowitz__ | > Another connection in the original LibrePlanet petition: | Sep 07 22:18 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 07 22:18 |
| schestowitz__ | > I was always curious why Wendy Bolm was there with everybody else. Everybody else I could figure out, she seemed like an outlier. | Sep 07 22:18 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 07 22:18 |
| schestowitz__ | > The absolutely false and implied premise of the petition is that this is some organic list of individuals (not some cabal, for instance) who personally took issue with rms interrupting the conference. These were incredibly small interruptions, I've watched the video. As President he overrode the emcee, though from the petition you would think it was some kind of tantrum. If it were any more minor, it wouldn't be an interruption, | Sep 07 22:18 |
| schestowitz__ | and it was not long-lived even though he got his way (I can't imagine how this is even supposed to be a problem. He simply had a question and a comment. *BEE EFF DEE*.) | Sep 07 22:18 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 07 22:18 |
| schestowitz__ | > But everybody involved was-- well, we know that already. Some were spouses, but that's not a scandal. | Sep 07 22:18 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 07 22:18 |
| schestowitz__ | > All I knew about Bolm was that her husband worked/works at zoom. Did he at the time? I don't know, I don't consider her key here, I couldn't think of any real significance for her presence on the petition. | Sep 07 22:18 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 07 22:18 |
| schestowitz__ | > The petition is hosted by Eric Shultz, who also signed it. | Sep 07 22:18 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 07 22:18 |
| schestowitz__ | > Eric Shultz is the COO of CommitChange, where Bolm is also an exec. | Sep 07 22:18 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 07 22:18 |
| schestowitz__ | > I didn't know that, until today. I do not know if this was true two years ago, when the petition was put forward. But it's still relevant if it is true since then-- when you are looking into corruption, collusion and bribery, rewards and deals after the fact count as much as connections before the fact. The way they buy politicians is with cushy (basically pretend) desk jobs as well-paying retirement plans for what rms calls " | Sep 07 22:18 |
| schestowitz__ | Congresscritters". | Sep 07 22:18 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 07 22:18 |
| schestowitz__ | > So there's the connection for the least obvious signatory, probably. This this is SO dirty, and this was basically the first shot fired during the whole thing. The idea that it's really about what he said a year later? Nonsense. Pure nonsense. They were already holding their breath for him to put a toe out of line, he probably had no idea they were just waiting for an excuse. He was already being cancelled before he said | Sep 07 22:18 |
| schestowitz__ | anything. | Sep 07 22:18 |
| schestowitz__ | > As to what CommitChange does, big surprise, this is about funding. | Sep 07 22:20 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 07 22:20 |
| schestowitz__ | > It's all about funding. Make the treasurer the president, already! I mean I don't (have reason to) blame Knauth for getting elected. IMO it's their own fault for elevating the treasurer like they did, not his. Maybe one day that will change, but I'm not interested in blaming him for something imaginary. The facts are enough on their own. If he's a great guy, then there is nothing to complain about except the circumstances. If he | Sep 07 22:20 |
| schestowitz__ | s a great guy, those circumstances are hardly his fault. | Sep 07 22:20 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 07 22:20 |
| schestowitz__ | > You don't in a just world, get lumped in for being in the wrong place at the wrong time for nothing else. It's not a just world, but I still think the distinction should matter. | Sep 07 22:20 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 07 22:20 |
| schestowitz__ | > Rather the people who elected him are extremely foolish (if it's not as bad as it sounds) for deciding "the money guy" is just what the leadership needs, in a situation where they're already turning into one of those countless non-profits with a reputation for chasing sponsors to the exclusion of everything, including the mission. | Sep 07 22:20 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 07 22:20 |
| schestowitz__ | > That, again, cannot be Knauth's fault. At least not so far, in any way I actually believe. If I were the treasurer, and elected president, I would either resign or focus on doing my job in a way that distanced myself as much as possible from the "money" nonsense. I mean I expect him to use his experience to the organisation's advantage-- but in more than just image alone I would be trying to prove myself (to the world) as "not | Sep 07 22:20 |
| schestowitz__ | just a treasurer, but someone who fights for your freedom". They would like us to think that, but I don't think he will be putting in effort to move farther in that direction. If I thought he would, I'd try to give him the chance. Credit where credit is due, as well! | Sep 07 22:20 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 07 22:20 |
| schestowitz__ | But was he treasurer by choice? | Sep 07 22:20 |
| schestowitz__ | > SORRY! | Sep 07 22:20 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 07 22:20 |
| schestowitz__ | > Bolm is actually the COO, Schultz is the Chief Engineer. The point at | Sep 07 22:20 |
| schestowitz__ | > any rate was that they are both execs in the same organization. | Sep 07 22:20 |
| schestowitz__ | > Thanks! | Sep 07 22:25 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 07 22:26 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 07 22:26 |
| schestowitz__ | > This is all incredibly important stuff, and just shadowy enough to make it easy to deny connections and cause-and-effect. | Sep 07 22:26 |
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