IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Sunday, May 08, 2022

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[08:49] <techrights-news> A Critique of Lagrange gemini://ainent.xyz/gemlog/2022-05-07-critique-of-lagrange.gmi "This is not a full review of Lagrange, but rather discussing one specific aspect of it. My intention here is to start a conversation."

May 08 08:49

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[02:04] <matey> marisol, marisol, does whatever a marisol does

May 08 08:50

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[02:05] <matey> the legend of marisol would have made a highly amusing text adventure

May 08 08:50

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[02:05] <matey> you must collect apple airbuds at some point in the game

May 08 08:50

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Thanks for the links about FIDO

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Brian Krebs covered that too

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but I still cannot offer any good insights

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I was thinking of doing a video about China's move to GNU/Linux

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and then toss the Edge figures into the mix

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any thoguhts?

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I also did a plasma video last night

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on some fronts the news is very slow, so I reckon advocacy has itsd place atm

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[19:13] <schestowitz-TR> <techrights-news> China intends to transfer state institutions and state-owned enterprises to Linux and PCs of local manufacturers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164572#comment-33571

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.tuxmachines.org | China Orders Government, State Firms to Dump Foreign PCs | Tux Machines

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has China made any successful moves in that direction? I know they have

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made protestations in that direction but figure they go not much further

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than Russia.

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May 08 09:37

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"Intends to". Russia tried that three times, several years apart. Nothing

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happened except the third time, all those that knew computers got fired and

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M$ cemented its position in politics. At least back in 2010 that was

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then.

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^fired and replaced with microsofters

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[19:13] <schestowitz-TR> <techrights-news> China intends to transfer state institutions and state-owned enterprises to Linu

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x and PCs of local manufacturers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164572#comment-33571

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say what you will, but moves are made after all. korea, china, turkey, russia, brazil.

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many schools in TR (turkey) now use gnu and libreoffice

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downplaying all this would notn help us

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it would help bogdan poa at al mocking the whole thing

https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=redflag

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disontinued

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moves are good, it's just that the politics is far harder than most people

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are willing to admit

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-DistroWatch.com: Red Flag Linux

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if at first you fail, keep trying

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many of us never gave up

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the desktop continues to be developed and few percentage in share of a very large share is still tens of millions, maybe so

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on hundreds of millions

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BTW distowatch erroneously categorizes systemd as an init system

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systemd is a lot of things

May 08 09:42

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to borrow an analogy, many people thought we were idealists trying to stop UPC

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and a decade later we're still at it

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I think it's important that some sites don't play the defeatist "year of

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desktop" canard

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and we're consisteitnyly highlighted WHY this was happening

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like Microsoft infiltrating Walmart to stop Linspire

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among many other examples

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which are still perfectly documented both in posts, wiki page, and leaked

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docs

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correct, "year of the linux desktop" has been changed to a defeatist meme

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by microsoftes and, lately, with the help of useful idiots

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Not just Linspire but also Asus EEE was blocked; The GNU/Linux edition

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sold out almost immediately but M$ was able to get all over Aaus and

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prevent restocking of them and just get the Windoze edition to the stores.

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The latter had a very high return rate but the M$ beholden press

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spun that as if the GNU/Linux edition didn't sell (without mentioning

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that there were none to buy) and implied that the high return rate

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was for trhe GNU/Linux EEE devices rather than the reality of the

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high return rate for the WIndows EEE devices.

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All those details are lost, buried, or subjected to revisionist history,

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if you can find any coverage at all of M$ misdeeds against Asus.

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when michael was chief of OSI he egged me on to cover those things

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he was a TR reader

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now we have an OSI run by a bunch of idiotcs who try to censor TR

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I'm goine OTA

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either way, now with Steam OS and various other things we clobber away at Windows

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the bailouts do start to received more media scrutiny

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Mirosoft is, at this stage, more like Pentagon 'asset'

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I will also do another video on the Debian TM SLAPP

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OTA

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May 08 11:03

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done 2 vids

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draft

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2 drafts now

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videos processing

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got another draftr in place

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checking

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a neo-colonialist plot to ensure the continuing dominance of Western nations."""

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link would be good there

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is ushing lies about the UPC illegal or has the UPC become invalid / illegal itself?

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yes some reinforcement of that can be added into the article

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lies CAN be a violation in the legal profession

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I think they have commitments

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and I think calling them out on it

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helps to silence them

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they don't want to get caught

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I will add some sentence and chase the link

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thanks!

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I cannot find a link, similar one in page 81 in

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=cEqgBAAAQBAJ&pg=PA81&lpg=PA81&dq=%22+the+continuing+dominance+of+Western+nations.%22&source=bl&ots=L7omaXDc1L&sig=ACfU3U3-cnA-Kj2bvFDW3fp_3bNnSSnrKg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjO27GFrND3AhXKYMAKHY5oDzIQ6AF6BAgCEAM

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-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-books.google.co.uk | The City in the Developing World - Robert B. Potter, Sally Lloyd-Evans - Google Books

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ack

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I have tons of unhandled patent items

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but would rather do articles

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topics are scarce though

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I'll think how to improve Planet some more

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ack

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nice

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so in 2 years it is 20

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Renewing tuaxmachines domain until 2027 when it turns 23!

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in 25 months

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we're still "leading" in some metrics

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even if the site is not exceptionally well known

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so far I got no output from the backup scripts

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and I hope it just means the gz files are in good integrity

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I've just added a TM user account for someone who peronally asked for one

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maybe to add comments

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excellent

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though the account spam has been a problem for allowing automatic

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enrollment

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this problem is not a unique

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# of comments/# of spam

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# of comments/stress of havign to moderate

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this is why many news sites remove the comment sectio

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it's letting people 'vandalise' a page without technical means, just oral or verbal means

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yes most sites have removed comments long ago :(

May 08 19:03

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but not only do they "allow" FB and Twitter (outsourcing "mideration")

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they also outsource themselves to that

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with techrights you have to use rss

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cannot follow new material through other means\

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except unofficial stuff

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the encouragement of social control media is misguided since few

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know or are willing to admit the amount of spin and filtering that

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goes on there. Maybe these issues will get raised via conflict with

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China's TikTok since that is the main one that is not under the same

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control as Twitter and FB

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sorry for a dumb question, but does this tiktok thing (never saw it)

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have a

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business model?

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I never heard of anyone "buying ads" there...

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that's a good question, I have not heard of one but it might have

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one beyond goverment influence campaigns, then again it might not

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May 08 19:08

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twitter was hybrid: ads as "trending" and whatnot and ads marked as such

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the former seems to be implicitly broken down into "paid trends",

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"government d-notice-like bias", and maybe some legit thing thrown in the mix

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but who he heck knows...

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that's a good question, I have not heard of one but it might have

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one beyond goverment influence campaigns, then again it might not

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ads are still secondary in twitter, the mainpulation of opinion seems

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top priority there

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/04/13/tiktok-russia-censorship-propaganda-tracking-exposed/

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https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-eileen-gu-winter-olympics-technology-business-12de242ee53092693c0711b932c1da5c

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-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.washingtonpost.com | TikTok's Russia strategy: Censorship, loopholes and propaganda - The Washington Post

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-apnews.com | How China's TikTok, Facebook influencers push propaganda | AP News

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the web became a battleground of ideas

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and of corporations too, of course...

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but the latter control and have a stake in the battle

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so they shape the web to win their "ideas"....

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that alone makes the web unhealthy not just to people but to markets

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not so much a battleground of ideas but a battleground of disinformation

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versus, well, just about anything

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disinformation is the 'doping'

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when you cannot win, you reesort to cheating

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if you lack morals

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but based on what I see in my companies honesty is not how one gets pporomoted and rewarded

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hosentl;y is too "slow"... not "effective" when all one cares about is "winning" (by 'dopinn')

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so you end up working for a bunch of dopes

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I always get this stare or shocked response when highliught to them

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1) that a statement we made was false

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2) we are not actually ISO compliant

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or anythiung that somehow challenged the lies nobody is supported

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to poke with a stick

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yes

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business culture tends to not just encourage but idolize lying :(

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those that have skills are seen as a threat by the liars and eventually

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driven out

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On a discussion forum recently someone commented, with several examples,

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how liars are always a threat within a company and over time end up

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taking over from the compentent people, reaching a tipping point afterwhich

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the skilled people have no peers or insufficient peers to have incentive

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to stay on. Steve Jobs said something to the effect of A players

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hiring other A players but B players hire C players, who in turn hire D, etc

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seems to be ruining ours

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here, the tipping point was already years ago

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but the job stayed rather easy

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those are the ones who stayed onboard

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if you try hard to push them, they would leave

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we are 50% of those people

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it is said to happen eventually in all companies; too bad the government

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or public does not pull the plug on companies once they turn bad

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in EFF the B players also oust A players (John)

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Yes, that is the common theme in all "reality" tv shows, the shows

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which train the public to act that way

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the world culture, at least in the west, is 1) identify the strong players

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2) form alliances to remove them at the earliest opporunity 3) squabble

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internally afterwards

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I wish I could say out death spiral was around the same Jeff Epstein's BFF landed a little bribe

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but it predates that somewhat

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so you could not honestly say such a thing

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I'm still curious what is behind that NDA. It seems the troubles there

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manifested around then or at least that is the perception from outside.

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no, we took the train down to sign a new contract with a new shell

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months before the MIR expose

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*MIT

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Signing = around June 2019

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August 019 press reports on MIT

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Oct 2019 NDA mentioned

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the BFF is ther FIRST US client

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I kid you not

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SarinGas was already in the company by then

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annying not only us but also colleagues

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so a hypothetial if not creative timeline would be difficult tom prove

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like they say, "if you set up this shelkl, we'll become first company..

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blah blah...

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The troubles allowed the NDA to be acceptable and left the company

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open for contact from bill's minions

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I think it is unrelated to MIT etc but targeted for other reasons

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Yeah like those hockey stick growth charts which have only two real

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data points in a flat line and the expontential growth 10 years in

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the future...

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(me avoids conspiratiroal thinking like me avoids covid)

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if there was some "Grand Plan" to oust us, it would not take years to "pull the trigger"

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so I rule that out and move on

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m$ always looks for companies to crush, they'll go out of their way

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to do so

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not to oust any specific staff, though certainly they have tried that too,

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but just to weaken or destroy the company -- because they can

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the company was already in a weak position at the time

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but it became more unpleasant

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that was also the time we started adopting clown shits

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with growing pressure for me to follow

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after I had refused

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specifically, also in that June 2019 meeting

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you would assume by then the "BFF" was already in contact

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as 4 months later the NDA was mentioned

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"BFF" as first "US client"

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I asked a colleague what this whole US thing was about

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she would not even answer the qyestiuon

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she made up a fictional questions

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and then answered it

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we suspect the setting up of the new shell was a ploy to ofset employer liabilities

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like back to zero

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but not for pension reasons or compensation

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rather, the now-divorced wife was a director/board in the old company

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so it was a ploy to get her off the sheet

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and then flee the country

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that's my theory

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after that we've barely had any direct communications

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(I am OK with all thie being public)

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(of course old email trails could easily and quikckly illuminate what had actually

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happened and when

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and how much money was at stake with that NDA)

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just been upstairs explaining the order of events

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rianne thinkks it is not implausable

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but she too says proof is needed

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I guess enough was done to deny and obfuscate anything up to now

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as a "professional job" would...

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