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schestowitz-TR[08:49] <techrights-news> A Critique of Lagrange gemini://ainent.xyz/gemlog/2022-05-07-critique-of-lagrange.gmi "This is not a full review of Lagrange, but rather discussing one specific aspect of it. My intention here is to start a conversation."May 08 08:49
schestowitz-TR[02:04] <matey> marisol, marisol, does whatever a marisol doesMay 08 08:50
schestowitz-TR[02:05] <matey> the legend of marisol would have made a highly amusing text adventureMay 08 08:50
schestowitz-TR[02:05] <matey> you must collect apple airbuds at some point in the gameMay 08 08:50
schestowitz-TRThanks for the links about FIDOMay 08 09:35
schestowitz-TRBrian Krebs covered that tooMay 08 09:35
schestowitz-TRbut I still cannot offer any good insightsMay 08 09:35
schestowitz-TRI was thinking of doing a video about China's move to GNU/LinuxMay 08 09:35
schestowitz-TRand then toss the Edge figures into the mixMay 08 09:35
schestowitz-TRany thoguhts?May 08 09:35
schestowitz-TRI also did a plasma video last nightMay 08 09:35
schestowitz-TRon some fronts the news is very slow, so I reckon advocacy has itsd place atmMay 08 09:35
schestowitz-TR[19:13] <schestowitz-TR> <techrights-news> China intends to transfer state institutions and state-owned enterprises to Linux and PCs of local manufacturers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164572#comment-33571May 08 09:35
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.tuxmachines.org | China Orders Government, State Firms to Dump Foreign PCs | Tux MachinesMay 08 09:35
Techrights-sec`ackMay 08 09:35
Techrights-secnpMay 08 09:35
Techrights-sechas China made any successful moves in that direction?  I know they haveMay 08 09:35
Techrights-secmade protestations in that direction but figure they go not much furtherMay 08 09:35
Techrights-secthan Russia.    May 08 09:35
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Techrights-sec"Intends to".  Russia tried that three times, several years apart.  NothingMay 08 09:38
Techrights-sechappened except the third time, all those that knew computers got fired andMay 08 09:38
Techrights-secM$ cemented its position in politics.  At least back in 2010 that was May 08 09:38
Techrights-secthen.May 08 09:38
Techrights-sec^fired and replaced with microsoftersMay 08 09:38
schestowitz-TR[19:13] <schestowitz-TR> <techrights-news> China intends to transfer state institutions and state-owned enterprises to LinuMay 08 09:39
schestowitz-TRx and PCs of local manufacturers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164572#comment-33571May 08 09:39
schestowitz-TRsay what you will, but moves are made after all. korea, china, turkey, russia, brazil.May 08 09:39
schestowitz-TRmany schools in TR (turkey) now use gnu and libreofficeMay 08 09:39
schestowitz-TRdownplaying all this would notn  help usMay 08 09:39
schestowitz-TRit would help bogdan poa at  al mocking the whole thingMay 08 09:39
Techrights-sechttps://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=redflagMay 08 09:39
Techrights-secdisontinuedMay 08 09:39
Techrights-secmoves are good, it's just that the politics is far harder than most peopleMay 08 09:39
Techrights-secare willing to admitMay 08 09:39
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-DistroWatch.com: Red Flag LinuxMay 08 09:39
schestowitz-TRif at first you fail,  keep tryingMay 08 09:41
schestowitz-TRmany of us never gave upMay 08 09:41
schestowitz-TRthe desktop continues to be developed and few percentage in share of a very large share is still tens of millions, maybe soMay 08 09:41
schestowitz-TRon hundreds of millions May 08 09:41
Techrights-secBTW distowatch erroneously categorizes systemd as an init systemMay 08 09:41
schestowitz-TRsystemd is a lot of thingsMay 08 09:42
schestowitz-TRto borrow an analogy, many people thought we were idealists trying to stop UPC May 08 09:45
schestowitz-TRand a decade later we're still at itMay 08 09:45
schestowitz-TRI think it's important that some sites don't play the defeatist "year of May 08 09:45
schestowitz-TRdesktop" canardMay 08 09:45
schestowitz-TRand we're consisteitnyly highlighted WHY this was happeningMay 08 09:45
schestowitz-TRlike Microsoft infiltrating Walmart to stop LinspireMay 08 09:45
schestowitz-TRamong many other examplesMay 08 09:45
schestowitz-TRwhich are still perfectly documented both in posts, wiki page, and leakedMay 08 09:45
schestowitz-TRdocsMay 08 09:45
Techrights-seccorrect, "year of the linux desktop" has been changed to a defeatist memeMay 08 10:00
Techrights-secby microsoftes and, lately, with the help of useful idiotsMay 08 10:00
Techrights-secNot just Linspire but also Asus EEE was blocked; The GNU/Linux editionMay 08 10:00
Techrights-secsold out almost immediately but M$ was able to get all over Aaus and      May 08 10:00
Techrights-secprevent restocking of them and just get the Windoze edition to the stores.May 08 10:00
Techrights-secThe latter had a very high return rate but the M$ beholden pressMay 08 10:00
Techrights-secspun that as if the GNU/Linux edition didn't sell (without mentioningMay 08 10:00
Techrights-secthat there were none to buy) and implied that the high return rateMay 08 10:00
Techrights-secwas for trhe GNU/Linux EEE devices rather than the reality of the May 08 10:00
Techrights-sechigh return rate for the WIndows EEE devices. May 08 10:00
Techrights-secAll those details are lost, buried, or subjected to revisionist history, May 08 10:00
Techrights-secif you can find any coverage at all of M$ misdeeds against Asus.May 08 10:00
schestowitz-TRwhen michael was chief of OSI he egged me on to cover those thingsMay 08 10:00
schestowitz-TRhe was a TR readerMay 08 10:00
schestowitz-TRnow we have an OSI run by a bunch of idiotcs who try to censor TRMay 08 10:00
schestowitz-TRI'm goine OTAMay 08 10:04
schestowitz-TReither way, now with Steam OS and various other things we clobber away at WindowsMay 08 10:04
schestowitz-TRthe bailouts do start to received more media scrutinyMay 08 10:04
schestowitz-TRMirosoft is, at this stage, more like Pentagon 'asset'May 08 10:04
schestowitz-TRI will also do another video on the Debian TM SLAPPMay 08 10:04
schestowitz-TROTAMay 08 10:04
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schestowitz-TRdone 2 vidsMay 08 11:48
schestowitz-TRdraftMay 08 11:48
schestowitz-TR2 drafts nowMay 08 11:48
schestowitz-TRvideos processingMay 08 11:48
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schestowitz-TRgot another draftr in placeMay 08 17:14
Techrights-seccheckingMay 08 17:39
Techrights-seca neo-colonialist plot to ensure the continuing dominance of Western nations.""" May 08 17:39
Techrights-seclink would be good thereMay 08 17:39
Techrights-secis ushing lies about the UPC illegal or has the UPC become invalid / illegal itself?May 08 17:39
Techrights-secyes some reinforcement of that can be added into the articleMay 08 17:39
schestowitz-TRlies CAN be a violation in the legal professionMay 08 17:39
schestowitz-TRI think they have commitmentsMay 08 17:39
schestowitz-TRand I think calling them out on itMay 08 17:39
schestowitz-TRhelps to silence them May 08 17:39
schestowitz-TRthey don't want to get caughtMay 08 17:39
schestowitz-TRI will add some sentence and chase the linkMay 08 17:39
Techrights-secthanks! May 08 17:39
schestowitzI cannot find a link, similar one in page 81 inMay 08 17:41
schestowitzhttps://books.google.co.uk/books?id=cEqgBAAAQBAJ&pg=PA81&lpg=PA81&dq=%22+the+continuing+dominance+of+Western+nations.%22&source=bl&ots=L7omaXDc1L&sig=ACfU3U3-cnA-Kj2bvFDW3fp_3bNnSSnrKg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjO27GFrND3AhXKYMAKHY5oDzIQ6AF6BAgCEAMMay 08 17:41
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-books.google.co.uk | The City in the Developing World - Robert B. Potter, Sally Lloyd-Evans - Google BooksMay 08 17:41
Techrights-secackMay 08 17:41
schestowitz-TRI have tons of unhandled patent itemsMay 08 18:07
schestowitz-TRbut would rather do articlesMay 08 18:07
schestowitz-TRtopics are scarce thoughMay 08 18:07
schestowitz-TRI'll think how to improve Planet some moreMay 08 18:07
Techrights-secackMay 08 18:22
Techrights-secniceMay 08 18:51
Techrights-secso in 2 years it is 20May 08 18:51
schestowitz-TRRenewing tuaxmachines domain until 2027 when it turns 23!May 08 18:53
schestowitz-TRin 25 monthsMay 08 18:53
schestowitz-TRwe're still "leading" in some metricsMay 08 18:53
schestowitz-TReven if the site is not exceptionally well knownMay 08 18:53
schestowitz-TRso far I got no output from the backup scriptsMay 08 18:53
schestowitz-TRand I hope it just means the gz files are in good integrityMay 08 18:53
schestowitz-TRI've just added a TM user account for someone who peronally asked for oneMay 08 18:53
schestowitz-TRmaybe to add commentsMay 08 18:53
Techrights-secexcellentMay 08 18:53
Techrights-secthough the account spam has been a problem for allowing automatic        May 08 18:53
Techrights-secenrollmentMay 08 18:53
schestowitz-TRthis problem is not a uniqueMay 08 18:55
schestowitz-TR# of comments/# of spamMay 08 18:55
schestowitz-TR# of comments/stress of havign to moderateMay 08 18:55
schestowitz-TRthis is why many news sites remove the comment sectioMay 08 18:55
schestowitz-TRit's letting people 'vandalise' a page without technical means, just oral or verbal meansMay 08 18:55
Techrights-secyes most sites have removed comments long ago :(May 08 19:03
schestowitz-TRbut not only do they "allow" FB and Twitter (outsourcing "mideration")May 08 19:04
schestowitz-TRthey also outsource themselves to thatMay 08 19:04
schestowitz-TRwith techrights you have to use rssMay 08 19:04
schestowitz-TRcannot follow new material through other means\May 08 19:04
schestowitz-TRexcept unofficial stuffMay 08 19:04
Techrights-secthe encouragement of social control media is misguided since fewMay 08 19:06
Techrights-secknow or are willing to admit the amount of spin and filtering thatMay 08 19:06
Techrights-secgoes on there.  Maybe these issues will get raised via conflict withMay 08 19:06
Techrights-secChina's TikTok since that is the main one that is not under the sameMay 08 19:06
Techrights-seccontrol as Twitter and FBMay 08 19:06
schestowitz-TRsorry for a dumb question, but does this tiktok thing (never saw it)May 08 19:07
schestowitz-TRhave a May 08 19:07
schestowitz-TRbusiness model?May 08 19:07
schestowitz-TRI never heard of anyone "buying ads" there...May 08 19:07
Techrights-secthat's a good question, I have not heard of one but it might haveMay 08 19:07
Techrights-secone beyond goverment influence campaigns, then again it might notMay 08 19:07
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schestowitz-TRtwitter was hybrid: ads as "trending" and whatnot and ads marked as suchMay 08 19:09
schestowitz-TRthe former seems to be implicitly broken down into "paid trends",May 08 19:09
schestowitz-TR"government d-notice-like bias", and maybe some legit thing thrown in the mixMay 08 19:09
schestowitz-TRbut who he heck knows...May 08 19:09
Techrights-secthat's a good question, I have not heard of one but it might haveMay 08 19:10
Techrights-secone beyond goverment influence campaigns, then again it might notMay 08 19:10
Techrights-secads are still secondary in twitter, the mainpulation of opinion seems  May 08 19:10
Techrights-sectop priority thereMay 08 19:10
Techrights-sechttps://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/04/13/tiktok-russia-censorship-propaganda-tracking-exposed/May 08 19:10
Techrights-sechttps://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-eileen-gu-winter-olympics-technology-business-12de242ee53092693c0711b932c1da5cMay 08 19:10
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.washingtonpost.com | TikTok's Russia strategy: Censorship, loopholes and propaganda - The Washington PostMay 08 19:10
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-apnews.com | How China's TikTok, Facebook influencers push propaganda | AP NewsMay 08 19:11
schestowitz-TRthe web became a battleground of ideasMay 08 19:12
schestowitz-TRand of corporations too, of course...May 08 19:12
schestowitz-TRbut the latter control and have a stake in the battleMay 08 19:12
schestowitz-TRso they shape the web to win their "ideas"....May 08 19:12
schestowitz-TRthat alone makes the web unhealthy not just to people but to marketsMay 08 19:12
Techrights-secnot so much a battleground of ideas but a battleground of disinformationMay 08 19:13
Techrights-secversus, well, just about anythingMay 08 19:13
schestowitz-TRdisinformation is the 'doping'May 08 19:16
schestowitz-TRwhen you cannot win, you reesort to cheatingMay 08 19:16
schestowitz-TRif you lack moralsMay 08 19:16
schestowitz-TRbut based on what I see in my companies honesty is not how one gets pporomoted and rewardedMay 08 19:16
schestowitz-TRhosentl;y is too "slow"... not "effective" when all one cares about is "winning" (by 'dopinn')May 08 19:16
schestowitz-TRso you end up working for a bunch of dopesMay 08 19:16
schestowitz-TRI always get this stare or shocked response when highliught to themMay 08 19:16
schestowitz-TR1) that a statement we made was falseMay 08 19:16
schestowitz-TR2) we are not actually ISO compliant May 08 19:16
schestowitz-TRor anythiung that somehow challenged the lies nobody is supportedMay 08 19:16
schestowitz-TRto poke with a stickMay 08 19:16
Techrights-secyesMay 08 19:17
Techrights-secbusiness culture tends to not just encourage but idolize lying :(May 08 19:17
Techrights-secthose that have skills are seen as a threat by the liars and eventuallyMay 08 19:17
Techrights-secdriven out May 08 19:17
Techrights-secOn a discussion forum recently someone commented, with several examples,May 08 19:24
Techrights-sechow liars are always a threat within a company and over time end up    May 08 19:24
Techrights-sectaking over from the compentent people, reaching a tipping point afterwhichMay 08 19:24
Techrights-secthe skilled people have no peers or insufficient peers to have incentiveMay 08 19:24
Techrights-secto stay on.  Steve Jobs said something to the effect of A players May 08 19:24
Techrights-sechiring other A players but B players hire C players, who in turn hire D, etcMay 08 19:24
schestowitz-TRseems to be ruining oursMay 08 19:26
schestowitz-TRhere, the tipping point was already years agoMay 08 19:26
schestowitz-TRbut the job stayed rather easyMay 08 19:26
schestowitz-TRthose are the ones who stayed onboardMay 08 19:26
schestowitz-TRif you try hard to push them, they would leaveMay 08 19:26
schestowitz-TRwe are 50% of those peopleMay 08 19:26
Techrights-secit is said to happen eventually in all companies; too bad the governmentMay 08 19:27
Techrights-secor public does not pull the plug on companies once they turn badMay 08 19:27
schestowitz-TRin EFF the B players also oust A players (John)May 08 19:27
Techrights-secYes, that is the common theme in all "reality" tv shows, the showsMay 08 19:28
Techrights-secwhich train the public to act that wayMay 08 19:28
Techrights-secthe world culture, at least in the west, is 1) identify the strong playersMay 08 19:28
Techrights-sec2) form alliances to remove them at the earliest opporunity 3) squabbleMay 08 19:28
Techrights-secinternally afterwardsMay 08 19:28
schestowitz-TRI wish I could say out death spiral was around the same Jeff Epstein's BFF landed a little bribeMay 08 19:29
schestowitz-TR but it predates that somewhatMay 08 19:29
schestowitz-TRso you could not honestly say such a thingMay 08 19:29
Techrights-secI'm still curious what is behind that NDA.  It seems the troubles thereMay 08 19:30
Techrights-secmanifested around then or at least that is the perception from outside.May 08 19:30
schestowitz-TRno, we took the train down to sign a new contract with a new shell  May 08 19:33
schestowitz-TRmonths before the MIR exposeMay 08 19:33
schestowitz-TR*MITMay 08 19:33
schestowitz-TRSigning = around June 2019May 08 19:33
schestowitz-TRAugust 019 press reports on MITMay 08 19:33
schestowitz-TROct 2019 NDA mentionedMay 08 19:33
schestowitz-TRthe BFF is ther FIRST US clientMay 08 19:33
schestowitz-TRI kid you notMay 08 19:33
schestowitz-TRSarinGas was already in the company by thenMay 08 19:33
schestowitz-TRannying not only us but also colleaguesMay 08 19:33
schestowitz-TRso a hypothetial if not creative timeline would be difficult tom  proveMay 08 19:33
schestowitz-TRlike they say, "if you set up this shelkl, we'll become first company..May 08 19:33
schestowitz-TRblah blah...May 08 19:33
Techrights-secThe troubles allowed the NDA to be acceptable and left the companyMay 08 19:34
Techrights-secopen for contact from bill's minionsMay 08 19:34
Techrights-secI think it is unrelated to MIT etc but targeted for other reasonsMay 08 19:34
Techrights-secYeah like those hockey stick growth charts which have only two real May 08 19:34
Techrights-secdata points in a flat line and the expontential growth 10 years inMay 08 19:34
Techrights-secthe future...May 08 19:34
schestowitz-TR\May 08 19:35
schestowitz-TR(me avoids conspiratiroal thinking like me avoids covid)May 08 19:35
schestowitz-TRif there was some "Grand Plan" to oust us, it would not take years to "pull the trigger"May 08 19:35
schestowitz-TRso I rule that out and move onMay 08 19:35
Techrights-secm$ always looks for companies to crush, they'll go out of their wayMay 08 19:37
Techrights-secto do soMay 08 19:37
Techrights-secnot to oust any specific staff, though certainly they have tried that too, May 08 19:37
Techrights-secbut just to weaken or destroy the company -- because they canMay 08 19:37
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schestowitz-TRthe company was already in a weak position at the timeMay 08 19:41
schestowitz-TRbut it became more unpleasantMay 08 19:41
schestowitz-TRthat was also the time we started adopting clown shitsMay 08 19:41
schestowitz-TRwith growing pressure for me to followMay 08 19:41
schestowitz-TRafter I had refusedMay 08 19:41
schestowitz-TRspecifically, also in that June 2019 meetingMay 08 19:41
schestowitz-TRyou would assume by then the "BFF" was already in contactMay 08 19:41
schestowitz-TRas 4 months later the NDA was mentionedMay 08 19:41
schestowitz-TR"BFF" as first "US client"May 08 19:41
schestowitz-TRI asked a colleague what this whole US thing was aboutMay 08 19:41
schestowitz-TRshe would not even answer the qyestiuonMay 08 19:41
schestowitz-TRshe made up a fictional questionsMay 08 19:41
schestowitz-TRand then answered itMay 08 19:41
schestowitz-TRwe suspect the setting up of the new shell was a ploy to ofset employer liabilitiesMay 08 19:41
schestowitz-TRlike back to zeroMay 08 19:41
schestowitz-TRbut not for pension reasons or compensationMay 08 19:41
schestowitz-TRrather, the now-divorced wife was a director/board in the old companyMay 08 19:41
schestowitz-TRso it was a ploy to get her off the sheetMay 08 19:41
schestowitz-TRand then flee the countryMay 08 19:41
schestowitz-TRthat's my theoryMay 08 19:41
schestowitz-TRafter that we've barely had any direct communicationsMay 08 19:41
schestowitz-TR(I am OK with all thie being public)May 08 19:42
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schestowitz-TR(of course old email trails could easily and quikckly illuminate what had actuallyMay 08 19:42
schestowitz-TRhappened and whenMay 08 19:42
schestowitz-TRand how much money was at stake with that NDA)May 08 19:42
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Techrights-secackMay 08 19:52
schestowitz-TRjust been upstairs explaining the order of eventsMay 08 19:59
schestowitz-TRrianne thinkks it is not implausableMay 08 19:59
schestowitz-TRbut she too says proof is neededMay 08 19:59
schestowitz-TRI guess enough was done to deny and obfuscate anything up to nowMay 08 19:59
schestowitz-TRas a "professional job" would...May 08 19:59
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