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Techrights-sectopic idea for later: https://bannedbooksweek.org/Sep 08 08:43
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schestowitz-TR2thanksSep 08 08:45
schestowitz-TR2today is exam daySep 08 08:45
schestowitz-TR2for the second time in a week an interruption caused me to forget something I was about to doSep 08 08:45
schestowitz-TR2I wrote about it in my personal blog, at long lastSep 08 08:45
schestowitz-TR2I think this happens to everyoneSep 08 08:45
Techrights-secGood luck to Rianne on the exams Sep 08 09:00
Techrights-secThe animated GIFs are probably processed by ImageMagick on a single core.Sep 08 09:00
Techrights-secIt basically ends up being video processing using a tool not designed for such.Sep 08 09:00
Techrights-secIn principle it is likely a very parallelizable task but not really theSep 08 09:00
Techrights-secmain purpose of ImageMagick and I myself don't have the skill to write aSep 08 09:00
Techrights-secpatch for them.Sep 08 09:00
schestowitz-TR2it's OK, don't bother changing itSep 08 09:00
schestowitz-TR2at the end it did finishSep 08 09:00
schestowitz-TR2it's actually part of the reason I got distracted and forgot somethingSep 08 09:00
schestowitz-TR2about 4 things going on all at onceSep 08 09:00
schestowitz-TR2GIFs have inter-frame compression fo sorts, so doing frames across cores might be tricky and splitting the same frame across CPUs the sameSep 08 09:00
schestowitz-TR2or across coresSep 08 09:00
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Techrights-secI thought it was MPEG and the other video formats which had inter-frame      Sep 08 10:13
Techrights-seccompression and that GIF merely moved through a stack of images.  But thenSep 08 10:13
Techrights-secI have no detailed knowledge of the formats.  Sep 08 10:13
schestowitz-TR2mr gif dies months agoSep 08 10:15
schestowitz-TR2I know from experience that a gif with many similar frames is a lot smallerSep 08 10:15
schestowitz-TR2never mind pallette sizeSep 08 10:15
schestowitz-TR2and so I assume there's some in-file compressionSep 08 10:15
schestowitz-TR2maybe I'm wrong and it's a stack of images compressed AT THE ENDSep 08 10:15
schestowitz-TR2but judging by how it is handled on the WebSep 08 10:15
schestowitz-TR2where it starts showing frames before the whole is readySep 08 10:15
schestowitz-TR2that cannot be the caseSep 08 10:15
schestowitz-TR2maybe some ad hoc dynamic compression of some sortSep 08 10:15
schestowitz-TR2optical flow maybeSep 08 10:15
schestowitz-TR2but I think animated gifs predate thatSep 08 10:15
Techrights-secOk, that makes sense.Sep 08 10:15
schestowitz-TR2ot: experimented with some 'extra' sleep the past fortnightSep 08 10:22
schestowitz-TR2did not notice positive effectsSep 08 10:22
schestowitz-TR2might go back to 6 a day, split across 2 or 3Sep 08 10:22
schestowitz-TR2starting tonightSep 08 10:22
schestowitz-TR2this week I did experience limited memroy capacity and motivation was not highSep 08 10:22
schestowitz-TR2in fact, when aware 18 hours in a row there's some mental fatigueSep 08 10:22
schestowitz-TR2so better split off into chunks so that there are rest breaksSep 08 10:22
schestowitz-TR2I came back to coffee yesterdaySep 08 10:22
schestowitz-TR2I've just seen a link you sent about micro-posts, posts the length of a tweetSep 08 10:22
schestowitz-TR2I think that in TR, if we deploy the same CMS, there will be a more suitable workflow of publicationsSep 08 10:22
schestowitz-TR2which wordpress isn't adequate forSep 08 10:22
schestowitz-TR2the wordpress side is good for certain types of postsSep 08 10:22
schestowitz-TR2and soon wordpress will no longer bring security patches for itSep 08 10:22
schestowitz-TR2itsfoss.com has a site called news.itsfoss.comSep 08 10:22
schestowitz-TR2they're not the same, not the same people, not the same softwareSep 08 10:22
schestowitz-TR2but one is less formal than the otherSep 08 10:22
schestowitz-TR2I think that's one possible approach for TRSep 08 10:22
schestowitz-TR2a lot of what gets posted to IRC, or stuff with editorial comments, can instead be a short postSep 08 10:22
schestowitz-TR2a bit like tumblrSep 08 10:22
chunkydid u say.. chunks..?Sep 08 10:22
schestowitz-TR2yes!Sep 08 10:22
*chunky chef kissyfingersSep 08 10:22
schestowitz-TR2btwSep 08 10:23
schestowitz-TR2I was in tesco last monthSep 08 10:23
schestowitz-TR2saw that item that says "chunky"Sep 08 10:23
schestowitz-TR2it's a forzen foodSep 08 10:23
schestowitz-TR2*frozenSep 08 10:23
chunkyniceSep 08 10:23
schestowitz-TR2so when I walk past it I goSep 08 10:23
chunkytesco is UK?Sep 08 10:23
schestowitz-TR2"oh... chunky... I know him!"Sep 08 10:23
chunkyhell yeahSep 08 10:23
schestowitz-TR2yes, tescoSep 08 10:23
chunkythat's me!Sep 08 10:23
Techrights-secIf I have read correctly, WordPress has mainly gone SaaS and it's decreasinglySep 08 10:24
Techrights-secpossible to run one's own instance.  Sep 08 10:24
Techrights-secApproximately how many accounts will need to post to TR in the future? Sep 08 10:24
Techrights-secA good bit of the parts from the current tm-new probably need to be modifiedSep 08 10:24
Techrights-secto fit into the different work flow.Sep 08 10:24
chunkyi dunno what you're reading but that sounds very wrongSep 08 10:24
chunkyopen source wordpress is the same as it ever was from my perspectiveSep 08 10:25
chunkyi'm forced to work on wordpress sites quite a bit so i'm a little familiarSep 08 10:25
chunkymaybe you're talking about wordpress.com rather than running your own installation of wordpressSep 08 10:25
chunkyanyway it's a bad platform, technologically datedSep 08 10:26
chunky(imo)Sep 08 10:26
schestowitz-TR2yeahSep 08 10:28
schestowitz-TR2I agreeSep 08 10:28
schestowitz-TR2Techrights-sec: Sep 08 10:28
schestowitz-TR2your assertion about wordpress is not accurate, it's not that it discourages self-hosting, but to me it is the bloat and fast release paceSep 08 10:28
schestowitz-TR2I don't think that TM CMS will need much adjustment for TRSep 08 10:28
schestowitz-TR2we're still talking about automated split into taxonomy, maybe daily archivesSep 08 10:28
schestowitz-TR2I think wordpress will staySep 08 10:28
schestowitz-TR2some dorks like me will backport patchesSep 08 10:28
schestowitz-TR2as happened with drupal 6 Sep 08 10:28
schestowitz-TR2but wordpress is suitable for long form postsSep 08 10:28
schestowitz-TR2like projects.propublica.comSep 08 10:28
schestowitz-TR2whether to run with multiple CMS types and then duse together rss feeds, I don't knowSep 08 10:28
schestowitz-TR2but I know a lot of what I post in wordpress would be more suitably done some other waySep 08 10:28
schestowitz-TR2with another workflowSep 08 10:28
schestowitz-TR2wordpress was designed as b2 a long time ago for another era and another purpose Sep 08 10:28
schestowitz-TR2now it does all this clowny stuff, as you note, and that was made evident in recent releases of itSep 08 10:28
schestowitz-TR2it's the era of GAFAM, not technorai and FirefoxSep 08 10:28
chunkyschestowitz-TR2: why do your chats come out in batches like that? do you have a poor connection or is that intentional?Sep 08 10:28
schestowitz-TR2*Technorati (incidentally, its founder moved to Mozilla)Sep 08 10:29
chunkyi used to think you guys were simulating chats programatically in here because of that, but now i realize that's not the case.. still, curiousSep 08 10:29
schestowitz-TR2it's done over a bridgeSep 08 10:29
schestowitz-TR2in ytalkSep 08 10:29
chunkyah ok.. maybe the bridge could use some work ;xSep 08 10:29
chunkyunelss you're writing longform like emailSep 08 10:29
chunkythen i guess it's all working as it shouldSep 08 10:29
schestowitz-TR2the timing is poorSep 08 10:29
schestowitz-TR2but the sequence is still more or less alrightSep 08 10:29
chunkymy preferred platform these dies for blog/news/etc type platforms is HugoSep 08 10:30
chunkyit's a static site generator and it's an absolute joy to useSep 08 10:30
schestowitz-TR2Hugo has a dependency chain I don't likeSep 08 10:30
chunkythese days*Sep 08 10:30
schestowitz-TR2so we rejectec itSep 08 10:30
schestowitz-TR2and wrote our ownSep 08 10:30
chunkyah ok, understoodSep 08 10:30
schestowitz-TR2reading code is hardSep 08 10:30
schestowitz-TR2writing code is easierSep 08 10:30
schestowitz-TR2so if you adopt some thing like hugoSep 08 10:30
chunkyi don't think anybody would argue w/ thatSep 08 10:30
schestowitz-TR2you're at their mercySep 08 10:30
schestowitz-TR2then they have new releasesSep 08 10:31
schestowitz-TR2maybe your hacks obsoleteSep 08 10:31
chunkythe one thing i don't like about hugo is that it really does assume you're structuring a website like a blogSep 08 10:31
schestowitz-TR2even if you use hooksSep 08 10:31
schestowitz-TR2they can later remove or break APIs tooSep 08 10:31
chunkybut overall i really do enjoy using itSep 08 10:31
schestowitz-TR2so you're never really in control of your systemSep 08 10:31
schestowitz-TR2and cannot shape it to your needsSep 08 10:31
chunkyyeah, fair enoughSep 08 10:31
chunkyyou're in a similar boat w/ wordpress though, i imagineSep 08 10:31
chunkybut at least it's not written in a language created by google ;xSep 08 10:31
schestowitz-TR2tuxmachines is not a blogSep 08 10:31
schestowitz-TR2it's something differentSep 08 10:32
schestowitz-TR2and it has almost 200k pagesSep 08 10:32
chunkyoh yeah i'm not referring to any specific website hereSep 08 10:32
chunkyi didn't know you ran thatSep 08 10:32
schestowitz-TR2so there's the scale to take into accountSep 08 10:32
schestowitz-TR2like DB queries to runSep 08 10:32
chunkyhugo can smash through that without issue, in fact a static site generator on that scale (imo) is better than a dynamic websiteSep 08 10:32
schestowitz-TR2thw www is also dyingSep 08 10:32
schestowitz-TR2ok, strong wordsSep 08 10:32
schestowitz-TR2not dyingSep 08 10:32
schestowitz-TR2perishingSep 08 10:32
schestowitz-TR2hugo does not support geminiSep 08 10:32
schestowitz-TR2and if you plug in gemini support, it might break in the futureSep 08 10:33
chunkyi've used hugo to develop ecommerce sites w/ more than half a million product pages and it smashes through compilation w/ no problemSep 08 10:33
schestowitz-TR2at the whims of some other devsSep 08 10:33
chunkyyeah that's the kind of stuff i've never really taken into considerationSep 08 10:33
schestowitz-TR2we also added MQTT to the CMSSep 08 10:34
chunkyi've used a gemini browser once, for exampleSep 08 10:34
schestowitz-TR2it's still youngSep 08 10:34
chunkyjust to read drewdevaults blog posts that were only available on that protocolSep 08 10:34
schestowitz-TR2but more tools comeSep 08 10:34
schestowitz-TR2and "content"Sep 08 10:34
chunkyif you're familar w/ him, idkSep 08 10:34
schestowitz-TR2yeahSep 08 10:34
schestowitz-TR2we linked to him this morning and yesterdaySep 08 10:34
schestowitz-TR2abdout kernel stuff written in hareSep 08 10:34
chunkyniceSep 08 10:34
chunkyi use a lot of his softare, he's a hero to meSep 08 10:35
chunkyschestowitz-TR2: is there a reason tuxmachines.org isn't using an ssl cert signed by a known root ca?Sep 08 10:37
chunkyi'm getting MOZILLA_PKIX_ERROR_SELF_SIGNED_CERTSep 08 10:37
schestowitz-TR2gemini.tuxmachines.org runs on his softwareSep 08 10:37
chunkyniceSep 08 10:38
schestowitz-TR2the error you get says,Sep 08 10:38
schestowitz-TR2this site is not controlled by a cartelSep 08 10:38
schestowitz-TR2it trusts itselfSep 08 10:39
chunkyfairSep 08 10:39
chunkyguess that's why i askedSep 08 10:39
schestowitz-TR2and the cartel cannot verify that roy is outsourcing control to the cartelSep 08 10:39
schestowitz-TR2mozilla is rubbishSep 08 10:39
chunkycouldn't agree moreSep 08 10:39
chunkyi still use firefoxSep 08 10:39
chunkyi try to get away from itSep 08 10:39
chunkyqutebrowser is super promisingSep 08 10:39
schestowitz-TR2i have it installedSep 08 10:39
chunkygetting better all the timeSep 08 10:39
schestowitz-TR2qutebrowser shills MicrosoftSep 08 10:39
schestowitz-TR2at least in Debian 10Sep 08 10:40
chunkyyeah?Sep 08 10:40
schestowitz-TR2it defaults to DDGSep 08 10:40
chunkyi bet The-Compiler would change thatSep 08 10:40
chunkyi certainly doubt he is compensated for thatSep 08 10:40
schestowitz-TR2and makes it hard to change these defaultsSep 08 10:40
chunkyit's not hard at allSep 08 10:40
chunkyit's just a setting in a config fileSep 08 10:40
schestowitz-TR2i triedSep 08 10:40
chunkymine is changed to a searx instance, for exampleSep 08 10:40
schestowitz-TR2it ignored thatSep 08 10:40
chunkyit's not difficultSep 08 10:40
chunkyhopefully i don't get kicked for flooding, butSep 08 10:41
chunkyc.url.start_pages = 'https://paulgo.io'Sep 08 10:41
chunkyc.url.default_page = 'https://paulgo.io'Sep 08 10:41
chunkyc.url.searchengines = {Sep 08 10:41
chunky    'DEFAULT': 'https://paulgo.io/?q={}',Sep 08 10:41
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-paulgo.io | PaulGOSep 08 10:41
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 308 @ https://paulgo.io/?q={} )Sep 08 10:41
chunkythis in my config file fixes that completelySep 08 10:41
chunkyfor qutebrowserSep 08 10:41
chunkyno problemSep 08 10:41
schestowitz-TR2there are no kickbans for "floods"Sep 08 10:42
schestowitz-TR2the servers just throttles down after 4 fast linesSep 08 10:43
chunkyah ok, gotchaSep 08 10:43
chunkyi run an irc server where we blast irc art @ each other all day Sep 08 10:43
chunkyno flood protection at allSep 08 10:43
chunkyluv it :)Sep 08 10:43
chunkyanyway qutebrowser is very good and i hope you wouldn't think that the author, The-Compiler is intentionally trying to harm its usersSep 08 10:47
chunkyi bet the ddg default is only based on his own personal preference, and maybe he's not privvy to these privacy issuesSep 08 10:47
schestowitz-TR2if you know the dev, contact him/herSep 08 10:49
schestowitz-TR2and tell them what DDG isSep 08 10:49
schestowitz-TR2and how that puts off more and more potential usersSep 08 10:50
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/wiki/DuckDuckGoSep 08 10:50
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | DuckDuckGo - TechrightsSep 08 10:50
chunkyreading about ddg is how i came to find techrights website :)Sep 08 10:50
chunkythat's why i'm on this irc serverSep 08 10:50
chunkyfor a long time i figured something wasn't right about it, and i'm pretty much always skeptical of services offering privacy/security as their main feature, so it was nice to see techrights drill down on some detail at some pointSep 08 10:51
chunkythx :)Sep 08 10:51
chunkyi'll mention it to The-Compiler and see what he says about itSep 08 10:51
chunkyi normally don't worry about defaults like that in software because most tend to be garbage, but i have nothing to lose from mentioning it to himSep 08 10:52
schestowitz-TR2the ddg controversy is not newSep 08 10:53
schestowitz-TR2but those MFers have budgetSep 08 10:53
schestowitz-TR2and they gaslight peopleSep 08 10:53
schestowitz-TR2and don't answer criticsSep 08 10:53
chunkyyeahSep 08 10:53
chunkythe guy is a piece of shitSep 08 10:53
schestowitz-TR2we got some whistleblowersSep 08 10:53
chunkyi saw him answer to a thread on ycombinator's hacker news and it was just steamSep 08 10:53
schestowitz-TR2and have warned about DDG for over a decade Sep 08 10:54
chunkyno real answerSep 08 10:54
schestowitz-TR2all along calling it a Microsoft proxySep 08 10:54
schestowitz-TR2now it's more evident with the NDA and allSep 08 10:54
schestowitz-TR2Gabe admits itSep 08 10:54
chunkyi've warned personal friends over the years about ddg being suspect without having any actual proofSep 08 10:54
chunkypeople just said i'm overly cautious and the usual stuffSep 08 10:54
schestowitz-TR2I hope they fall back to 0%Sep 08 10:55
schestowitz-TR2it was just bing with a maskSep 08 10:55
schestowitz-TR2like the scooby doo memeSep 08 10:55
schestowitz-TR2"let's see who you really are!"Sep 08 10:55
chunkythey're pretty popular nowSep 08 10:55
schestowitz-TR2they have budgetSep 08 10:56
schestowitz-TR2and get hosting from MicrosoftSep 08 10:56
chunkypeople tricked into believing they're the good guysSep 08 10:56
schestowitz-TR2among other thingsSep 08 10:56
schestowitz-TR2haha, Microsoft trhe good guysSep 08 10:56
chunkyhonestly technology seems hopeless sometimesSep 08 10:56
schestowitz-TR2"oooh, Microsoft, save me from Gulag, PLEASE!"Sep 08 10:56
chunkycomputers and the internet really highlight some of the worst qualities in humansSep 08 10:56
chunkypure greedSep 08 10:56
schestowitz-TR2yeahSep 08 10:56
schestowitz-TR2now the marketing people rename everythingSep 08 10:56
schestowitz-TR2devopsSep 08 10:56
schestowitz-TR2clownSep 08 10:56
schestowitz-TR2meaningSep 08 10:56
schestowitz-TR2sysadminSep 08 10:56
schestowitz-TR2serverSep 08 10:57
chunkyyeah i've never really understood the term devops Sep 08 10:57
chunkyand the more i look into it the less it makes senseSep 08 10:57
schestowitz-TR2then "smart"... and hype waves like "web3" and "hey hi" (AI)Sep 08 10:57
schestowitz-TR2make you want to get off the trainSep 08 10:57
chunkymy conclusion is basically that in order to understand it you have to buy into bullshitSep 08 10:57
schestowitz-TR2some idiots at my workplace are like thatSep 08 10:57
chunkysame w/ all the renamed tech stuff at the cloud service providersSep 08 10:57
schestowitz-TR2dev ops = programmijngnSep 08 10:57
schestowitz-TR2coderSep 08 10:57
schestowitz-TR2developmentSep 08 10:57
schestowitz-TR2now it's all "OOPS"Sep 08 10:57
schestowitz-TR2GitOOPSSep 08 10:57
chunkyamazon and google take pre-existing tech and give it some super weird nameSep 08 10:57
schestowitz-TR2ClownOOPSSep 08 10:58
chunkyl0lSep 08 10:58
chunkyp muchSep 08 10:58
schestowitz-TR2"HEYHIOOPS'Sep 08 10:58
schestowitz-TR2(aiops"Sep 08 10:58
schestowitz-TR2it'a a farceSep 08 10:58
schestowitz-TR2it's not CSSep 08 10:58
schestowitz-TR2it's shitty suits and m,arketing drecks like jim zemlinSep 08 10:58
schestowitz-TR2ruining the industrySep 08 10:58
chunkyit's just deep vendor lock-inSep 08 10:58
schestowitz-TR2which they rebraded as "AYE TEA" decades backSep 08 10:58
schestowitz-TR2CS=scienceSep 08 10:58
chunkyat some point the people working on this stuff won't understand computersSep 08 10:58
schestowitz-TR2"IT"=whateverSep 08 10:58
chunkyi wonder when the time will come that not a person alive will actually understand how computers workSep 08 10:59
schestowitz-TR2rightSep 08 10:59
chunkybut everyone will rely on themSep 08 10:59
schestowitz-TR2but we need to reject the buzzwordsSep 08 10:59
schestowitz-TR2for startersSep 08 10:59
schestowitz-TR2and use terminopoly that explains what happensSep 08 10:59
schestowitz-TR2like "outsourcing"Sep 08 10:59
schestowitz-TR2Red Hat keeps saying "transformation"Sep 08 10:59
chunkylol Sep 08 10:59
chunkyyeahSep 08 10:59
schestowitz-TR2or "modernisation"Sep 08 10:59
chunky"serverless"  nah dawg that's "outsourcing"Sep 08 10:59
schestowitz-TR2they mean complexitySep 08 10:59
chunkyserverless is one that really gets me, god is that ever stupidSep 08 11:00
schestowitz-TR2like adding kubernetes to a business with one physical serverSep 08 11:00
chunkyl0llllSep 08 11:00
schestowitz-TR2so then they buy crap like openshitSep 08 11:00
schestowitz-TR2and ask Red Hat, PLEASE WE NEEDE SUPPORT! FAST FAST!! DOWNTIMES.Sep 08 11:00
chunkyit's just guys in suits at business meetings doing handshake deals w/o having a clue what they're talking aboutSep 08 11:00
chunkythat's how most of this stuff comes to beSep 08 11:00
schestowitz-TR2openshift is Free softwareSep 08 11:00
schestowitz-TR2but you can't find people who know how to use and fix itSep 08 11:00
chunkysome of it is engineered and downright evil thoughSep 08 11:01
schestowitz-TR2not may people elarned ansible eitherSep 08 11:01
schestowitz-TR2unless they get thewir expensive "red hat" certSep 08 11:01
schestowitz-TR2many use puppetSep 08 11:01
schestowitz-TR2or even chefSep 08 11:01
schestowitz-TR2then you have wordpressSep 08 11:01
chunkyi wouldn't know what the better option is for deployment automationSep 08 11:01
schestowitz-TR2and what becomes of itSep 08 11:01
schestowitz-TR2talking over yalk about it atmSep 08 11:01
chunkyi'd roll my own to know what's going onSep 08 11:02
schestowitz-TR2chunky: nor would theySep 08 11:02
schestowitz-TR2they just look at IBM brochuresSep 08 11:02
schestowitz-TR2and go with a bundleSep 08 11:02
chunkyyeahSep 08 11:02
schestowitz-TR2ansible tower, openshift..Sep 08 11:02
schestowitz-TR2.and then look for clueless gards with got some "red hat"c ertSep 08 11:02
schestowitz-TR2for memoprising stuffSep 08 11:02
schestowitz-TR2*memorisingSep 08 11:02
chunkysadSep 08 11:02
schestowitz-TR2and once they are off scriptSep 08 11:02
schestowitz-TR2or need to actually writ ea programSep 08 11:02
schestowitz-TR2they are stuckSep 08 11:03
schestowitz-TR2it's not in "the exam"Sep 08 11:03
chunkyGET BILL GATES IN HERE!Sep 08 11:03
chunkyYOU TOLD US WINDOWS 98 WOULD BE FASTER AND MORE EFFICIENT!Sep 08 11:03
schestowitz-TR2so you pay red ahat $2000 per year per serverSep 08 11:03
schestowitz-TR2for many 2 open tickets per yearSep 08 11:03
schestowitz-TR2so you pay $1000 for erach "incident"Sep 08 11:03
chunkyl0lSep 08 11:03
chunkyracketSep 08 11:03
schestowitz-TR2which means they profit from issues in their softwareSep 08 11:03
schestowitz-TR2some of these companies come to usSep 08 11:04
schestowitz-TR2because they get rippd offSep 08 11:04
schestowitz-TR2and we fix things for them more cheaplySep 08 11:04
schestowitz-TR2red hat has an incentive to make gnu/linxu robustSep 08 11:06
schestowitz-TR2but not the add-onSep 08 11:06
schestowitz-TR2they want a good productSep 08 11:06
schestowitz-TR2but they also want you to NEED themSep 08 11:06
schestowitz-TR2like many businessesSep 08 11:06
schestowitz-TR2even oursSep 08 11:06
schestowitz-TR2you should see managersSep 08 11:06
schestowitz-TR2trying not to give away some secret sauceSep 08 11:07
schestowitz-TR2as then the client would fix the issues without usSep 08 11:07
schestowitz-TR2that's managersSep 08 11:07
schestowitz-TR2now, re wordpressSep 08 11:07
schestowitz-TR2they profit as a hosting companySep 08 11:07
schestowitz-TR2with adsSep 08 11:07
schestowitz-TR2and other premium productsSep 08 11:07
schestowitz-TR2wordpress.org lets them rope in more potential usersSep 08 11:07
schestowitz-TR2they can later "upsell"Sep 08 11:07
schestowitz-TR2but to be fair they don't make wordpress.org more buggySep 08 11:07
schestowitz-TR2just more bloatedSep 08 11:07
schestowitz-TR2and thus potentially hard to set up and diagnoseSep 08 11:08
Techrights-secackSep 08 11:08
Techrights-secTwo reasons for saying the above are that the maintenance is now highly   Sep 08 11:08
Techrights-seccomplex (and as you say fast moving) *and* that they require remote accessSep 08 11:08
Techrights-secto your system *via FTP* for automated updates.  Yes, it is possible toSep 08 11:08
Techrights-secdo manual updates, you know the details on that.  That is too much forSep 08 11:08
Techrights-secmany people, even just counting the time requirement not including the skillsSep 08 11:08
Techrights-secnecessary.  So without manual updates, the choice becomes between a highlySep 08 11:08
Techrights-secinsecure system where the login credentials are, in effect, broadcast becauseSep 08 11:08
Techrights-secof FTP, or just let them handle the whole thing for a fee.  I looked into Sep 08 11:08
Techrights-secvarious CMS in detail a few months ago and came to that conclusion, hopefullySep 08 11:08
Techrights-secnot too incorrectly.Sep 08 11:08
chunkyyeah i think wordpress is an example of a good way to operate an open source companySep 08 11:10
chunkythey offer open source software and also offer to host it for you for a freeSep 08 11:10
chunkyfor a fee*Sep 08 11:10
chunkyi don't take any issue w their business model, seems like the ideal way to do thingsSep 08 11:11
schestowitz-TR2they used to use ftpSep 08 11:14
schestowitz-TR2I've not myself installed newer versions except at workSep 08 11:14
schestowitz-TR2and then didn't update then, just handed over the system Sep 08 11:14
schestowitz-TR2I have notes on the 'recipe' for manual updateSep 08 11:14
schestowitz-TR2I can give that to youSep 08 11:14
schestowitz-TR2I assure youSep 08 11:14
schestowitz-TR2thatSep 08 11:14
schestowitz-TR2a) many sec patches don't need backportingSep 08 11:14
schestowitz-TR2b) v 3.9.x won't be affected by many new bugsSep 08 11:14
schestowitz-TR2c) any backporting would be simpleSep 08 11:14
schestowitz-TR2d) someone out there will stll do itSep 08 11:14
schestowitz-TR2e) the patches don't need downloadingSep 08 11:14
schestowitz-TR2f) edit file, change the lines based on the patch reference/object Sep 08 11:14
schestowitz-TR2like I did in drupal 6 Sep 08 11:14
schestowitz-TR2so I reckon wordpress isn't hopelessSep 08 11:14
schestowitz-TR2the problem is that I maintain and look after about a dozen wordpress sitesSep 08 11:14
schestowitz-TR2if the se patches are not super critivcalSep 08 11:14
schestowitz-TR2e.g. xss (JS)Sep 08 11:14
schestowitz-TR2multi-user installs where some users are very untrustweoirtthy (wishing to n vandalise the bsystem)Sep 08 11:14
schestowitz-TR2ete etc.Sep 08 11:14
schestowitz-TR2nobody will bother with a patch until something major comes alongSep 08 11:14
schestowitz-TR2as happened years ago with drupal 6 Sep 08 11:14
schestowitz-TR2susan contacted me about it after I had patched itSep 08 11:14
schestowitz-TR2you could basically bypass the shim between one file/function and anotherSep 08 11:14
schestowitz-TR2and pass some bad stuff to the function from a web browserSep 08 11:14
schestowitz-TR2the fix was a simple input sanitisationSep 08 11:14
schestowitz-TR2so I added itSep 08 11:14
schestowitz-TR2at work I see all the latest drupal holes (eeven this morning I reported one to colleagues)Sep 08 11:14
schestowitz-TR2most affect just new versions. The bigger the s/w, the more holes are to be expectred.Sep 08 11:14
Techrights-secAs far as I know they used it as recently as the beginning of this year!Sep 08 11:15
Techrights-secThe recipe would be of interest, thanksSep 08 11:15
Techrights-secThe business model is kind of ok, the excessive complexity is not.  Nor is Sep 08 11:15
Techrights-secthe (former?) dependence on FTP and any form of obligatory remote accessSep 08 11:15
Techrights-secas a precondition for updating.Sep 08 11:15
chunkyi think the core wordpress updates now use the php curl library to download rather than ftpSep 08 11:16
schestowitz-TR2I know the backstory very wellSep 08 11:19
schestowitz-TR2I was a student and deeply involved in the community back thenSep 08 11:19
schestowitz-TR2matt mullenweg and his buddy from cisco expressed oncerns that many did not update their wordpress installsSep 08 11:19
schestowitz-TR2(to be fair, it was not simple and some tried to update without making proper backups first, or not knowing how to restore from backup)Sep 08 11:19
schestowitz-TR2by then, matt's friend had taken over from mike little (Stockporrrt, near here) and even locked him outSep 08 11:19
schestowitz-TR2people blasted them for low-quality codeSep 08 11:19
schestowitz-TR2with holesSep 08 11:19
schestowitz-TR2and then hosts were threatening wordpress would not be an option for quick automated installsSep 08 11:19
schestowitz-TR2so they had to do somethingSep 08 11:19
schestowitz-TR2first they threatened usersSep 08 11:19
schestowitz-TR2like "Upgrade, or else"Sep 08 11:19
schestowitz-TR2headline (from memory)Sep 08 11:19
schestowitz-TR2then this FTP thingSep 08 11:19
schestowitz-TR2which I wrote about a decade agoSep 08 11:19
schestowitz-TR2it's like a back doorSep 08 11:19
schestowitz-TR2with tracy's server it never workedSep 08 11:19
schestowitz-TR2because access was 'two factor' (password PLUS keys, in two stages, via gateway)Sep 08 11:19
schestowitz-TR2I will give you my crude notesSep 08 11:19
chunkyimo wordpress still is low quality codeSep 08 11:20
schestowitz-TR2it was not made by coderSep 08 11:22
schestowitz-TR2it was not made by codersSep 08 11:22
schestowitz-TR2but a curious bunch that hacked on codeSep 08 11:22
schestowitz-TR2of b2Sep 08 11:22
Techrights-secackSep 08 11:22
chunkythat's the kind of stuff that tends to be more successfulSep 08 11:23
chunkypeople trying to fulfill a real-world goal instead of trying to be technically correctSep 08 11:23
chunkythat's what i see anywaySep 08 11:23
schestowitz-TR2chunky: as noted earlier, the occupation is under attackSep 08 11:23
schestowitz-TR2MBASep 08 11:23
schestowitz-TR2suits Sep 08 11:23
schestowitz-TR2patent lawyers Sep 08 11:23
schestowitz-TR2the security "experts" are biologistsSep 08 11:23
schestowitz-TR2like mgarrettSep 08 11:23
schestowitz-TR2with no relevant training, just studying as one goes alongSep 08 11:24
schestowitz-TR2that's like me becoming a GPSep 08 11:24
schestowitz-TR2by sitting at the office listening to sessionsSep 08 11:24
chunkyhey can you check out this weird lump on my anus?Sep 08 11:24
schestowitz-TR2and learning this waySep 08 11:24
schestowitz-TR2GPs do all sorts of unpleasant jobsSep 08 11:25
schestowitz-TR2even the seemingly sexual stuff isn't niceSep 08 11:25
schestowitz-TR2worse than platonicSep 08 11:25
schestowitz-TR2like sticking singers up dold peopleSep 08 11:25
chunkyyesSep 08 11:25
schestowitz-TR2even of the same genderSep 08 11:25
schestowitz-TR2nothing "turn-on" about thatSep 08 11:25
schestowitz-TR2erven gynecologistsSep 08 11:25
chunkyi've said and i'll say again that tricking people into thinking that being a doctor or a lawyer is a good job is mankind's greatest conSep 08 11:25
chunkyi worded that poorly, hopefully u know what i meanSep 08 11:25
schestowitz-TR2I reckon the good -looking girls choose doctors who are old straight womenSep 08 11:25
schestowitz-TR2not some old menSep 08 11:25
*chunky puts on a wig and doctor outfitSep 08 11:29
schestowitz-TR2ahaSep 08 11:49
schestowitz-TR2after kicking myself for 3 hours last nigth tryint to recall what I wanted to doSep 08 11:49
schestowitz-TR2moments ago in the bathroom I recalled what it was I had planned to doSep 08 11:49
schestowitz-TR2so it came back to me like 16 hours laterSep 08 11:49
schestowitz-TR2due to the same train of thought colliding with the same issueSep 08 11:49
schestowitz-TR2but 16 hours is a long timeSep 08 11:49
schestowitz-TR2mystery solved at leastSep 08 11:49
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schestowitz-TR2is it ok that financial affairs, unless very politicised (class vs tribalism), are ok for the main #techrights channel?Sep 08 12:14
schestowitz-TR2I think there's some overlap there with tech and usually it doesn't bring unwanted politics Sep 08 12:14
schestowitz-TR2unlike, say, immigrationSep 08 12:14
schestowitz-TR2climate is a science topic too, but probably better restricted to socialSep 08 12:14
schestowitz-TR2I'm asking because,Sep 08 12:14
schestowitz-TR2everywhere I lookSep 08 12:14
schestowitz-TR2anyone I speak to (even family)Sep 08 12:14
schestowitz-TR2financial woes are a big themeSep 08 12:14
schestowitz-TR2and people try to make sense of itSep 08 12:14
schestowitz-TR2seems they correctly blame "the rich" and not [that political party]Sep 08 12:14
schestowitz-TR2apropos, don't know what's happening in norwaySep 08 12:14
schestowitz-TR2my contacts there haven't been corresponding in a whileSep 08 12:14
schestowitz-TR2but in spite of natural resources they too would be impacted by high energy prices, esp. in winterSep 08 12:14
schestowitz-TR2set aside immigration as a strainSep 08 12:14
schestowitz-TR2when your country has that few citizens even 100,000 financial/economic immigrants, somw of whom flee famine/war, is a cumbersome obligationSep 08 12:14
schestowitz-TR2and it was interesting to see norway's reaction to russia's aggressionSep 08 12:14
schestowitz-TR2invasion from the north is super easy, by land or by sea (or ice)Sep 08 12:14
schestowitz-TR2putin would love to get his hands on that energy poolSep 08 12:15
schestowitz-TR2another spiggot by which toi punish europe (of course it causes the poor to suffer most, then he can try to incite them against other poor people,Sep 08 12:15
schestowitz-TR2based on racial profile)Sep 08 12:15
schestowitzno reporting from this sam this past week; then, hours ago: https://itwire.com/mobility/oppo-puts-two-more-reno-5g-models-on-sale-down-under.htmlSep 08 12:43
schestowitzwasting his time on marketing puffSep 08 12:43
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-iTWire - Oppo puts two more Reno 5G models on sale Down UnderSep 08 12:43
Techrights-secackSep 08 12:44
Techrights-secackSep 08 12:44
Techrights-secNorway is also in an awkward position.  They could be supplying petrochemicalsSep 08 12:50
Techrights-secto Europe but for some reason aren't very much.  Not that it would be a good Sep 08 12:50
Techrights-secthing in the long run for either the world or for Norway. IIRC Norway has beenSep 08 12:50
Techrights-sectrying to wean itself from petrochemical income and invest in sounder areas.Sep 08 12:50
schestowitz-TR2norway does not have the brain drain issueSep 08 12:54
schestowitz-TR2they seem to retain smart peopleSep 08 12:54
schestowitz-TR2the friends I had from there mostly came back to begen, oslo etc.Sep 08 12:54
schestowitz-TR2and are happy enough thereSep 08 12:54
schestowitz-TR2no need for Liz TrumpsSep 08 12:54
schestowitz-TR2but..Sep 08 12:54
schestowitz-TR2that edge can be lost over time, like in companies where you bring in Z types, X types...Sep 08 12:54
schestowitz-TR2the other night I opened the door around midnightSep 08 12:54
schestowitz-TR2the next-door neighbours were having like a 'conference' of a dozen men in the back yearSep 08 12:54
schestowitz-TR2laughing off in some foreign languageSep 08 12:54
schestowitz-TR2our city is highly dependent on ultgra-tolerance of those who reject the cultureSep 08 12:54
schestowitz-TR2partly due to "investment" (like football)Sep 08 12:54
schestowitz-TR2Norway, unlike other countries, has invested in quality of life factors andSep 08 12:55
schestowitz-TR2made an effort to ensure that the entire country is livable, not just the Sep 08 12:55
schestowitz-TR2tiny zone around the capital.Sep 08 12:55
Techrights-secNorway, unlike other countries, has invested in quality of life factors andSep 08 12:55
Techrights-secmade an effort to ensure that the entire country is livable, not just the Sep 08 12:55
Techrights-sectiny zone around the capital.Sep 08 12:55
Techrights-sec^capitolSep 08 12:55
schestowitz-TR2^capitolSep 08 12:55
Techrights-secs/are/were/Sep 08 12:57
Techrights-secBrushing those problems under the carpet just makes it worse here and now.  Sep 08 13:04
Techrights-secThen as the problmes grow, they become just downright intolerable later.Sep 08 13:04
Techrights-secHowever, that is next month or next quarter or even next year, i.e. neverSep 08 13:04
schestowitz-TR2the "saving face" approach is why many orgs in FS are underminedSep 08 13:07
schestowitz-TR2while they shout and scream at Techrights, debian.community etc.Sep 08 13:07
schestowitz-TR2for saying what they would rather keep under the carpet or behind the veilSep 08 13:07
schestowitz-TR2as you are aware, britain is a tax haven economy esp. near the southeast, so they cultivate that further with "tax cuts" and "foreign investment"Sep 08 13:07
schestowitz-TR2welcome, even if that prices residence out of reach for locals and ushers in a cultural problemSep 08 13:08
schestowitz-TR2having said that, guess who gets blamed at the endSep 08 13:08
schestowitz-TR2they don't frame that as an economic issueSep 08 13:08
schestowitz-TR2and then blame "the liberals"Sep 08 13:08
schestowitz-TR2saying stuff that incites one clique of poor people against anotherSep 08 13:08
Techrights-sec"This approach has not worked and has never worked before, so therefore Sep 08 13:09
Techrights-seclet us inflict more of it towards the goal it has never yet achieved andSep 08 13:09
Techrights-secappears to counteract."Sep 08 13:09
Techrights-secackSep 08 13:32
schestowitz-TR2<techrights-news> Later they wonder why people became more sceptical of the medical profession (like physicians who take a bribe to recommend some prescription) and even vaccines. People observe what low standards are now imposed/expected, like testing on some animals and then distributing to millions/billions of people in bulk. You're killing the profession. Like LF kills "Linux(TM)" (openwashing stamp).Sep 08 13:36
schestowitz-TR2<techrights-news> "Critical thinkers and sceptics haven’t lost sight of the fact that British media now pushes for a new vaccine. Yeah, because the first one was so successful that this summer was the worst so far." https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/09/03/uk-statistics-about-58-of-the-population-opted-to-receive-a-booster-and-now-they-say-another-vaccine-is-needed/Sep 08 13:37
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » UK Statistics: About 58% of the Population Opted to Receive a ‘Booster’ (and Now They Say Another Vaccine is Needed)Sep 08 13:37
Techrights-secackSep 08 13:37
schestowitz-TR2this evening we'll have the latest data fro thwe weekSep 08 13:39
schestowitz-TR2they pushed that back to thurs 4pmSep 08 13:39
schestowitz-TR2was weds 4pm beforeSep 08 13:39
schestowitz-TR2and the mortality reports were silently killed when there was a surge in deathsSep 08 13:39
schestowitz-TR2how convenientSep 08 13:39
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schestowitz-TR2I'm sure Liz Trump will be a "strong leaders"Sep 08 13:39
schestowitzhttps://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/09/07/memory-shortcomings/Sep 08 13:39
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » Human Memory’s Obnoxious WeaknessSep 08 13:39
schestowitz-TR2sorry, wrong urlSep 08 13:39
schestowitz-TR2" https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/09/06/truss-more-of-the-same/Sep 08 13:40
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » Our New Prime Minister: More of the SameSep 08 13:40
schestowitz-TR2-Sep 08 13:40
Techrights-secackSep 08 13:41
schestowitz-TR2<techrights-news> Victory? EFF should call to ABOLISH Slack. But EFF is run by a bunch of slackers these days. 3 key people died. ☛ https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/09/victory-slack-offers-retention-settings-free-workspaces | Source: EFFSep 08 13:48
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.eff.org | VICTORY: Slack Offers Retention Settings to Free Workspaces | Electronic Frontier FoundationSep 08 13:48
schestowitz-TR2EFF: Victory! We had a meeting with Donald Trump.Sep 08 13:48
schestowitz-TR2FSF: Victory: RMS was on Kremlin channel twice this yearSep 08 13:48
schestowitz-TR2<techrights-news> EFF is still fighting. Seriously, it's fighting. Just not for EFF causes.Sep 08 13:51
schestowitz-TR2<techrights-news> The E is today's EFF is estrogenSep 08 13:51
Techrights-sec:/Sep 08 13:53
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schestowitz-TR2<techrights-news> The issue isn't Linux itself; they're misplacing the blame, just like Microsoft wants them to (Microsoft does this too https://cisoseries.com/cyber-security-headlines-cisa-incident-reporting-linux-focused-iot-malware-albania-cuts-ties-over-cyberattack/Sep 08 14:36
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-cisoseries.com | CISA incident reporting, Albania cuts ties over cyberattackSep 08 14:36
schestowitz-TR2-TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social- cisoseries.com | CISA incident reporting, Albania cuts ties over cyberattackSep 08 14:36
schestowitz-TR2<techrights-news> How about we start calling all Adobe and AutoCAD flaws "WINDOWS MALWARE?Sep 08 14:36
schestowitz-TR2 It's not Linux that welcomes that malware; the malware gets there by other means and once installed it can do anything it wants. Not an OS issue. https://www.darkreading.com/vulnerabilities-threats/next-gen-linux-malware-takes-over-devices-unique-toolsetSep 08 14:36
schestowitz-TR2-TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social- www.darkreading.com | Next-Gen Linux Malware Takes Over Devices With Unique Tool SetSep 08 14:36
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.darkreading.com | Next-Gen Linux Malware Takes Over Devices With Unique Tool SetSep 08 14:36
schestowitz-TR2<techrights-news> You can drive your car off a cliff. That doesn't mean the car is not safe.Sep 08 14:36
schestowitz-TR2rianne has returnedSep 08 17:09
schestowitz-TR2the results are not given on the spotSep 08 17:09
schestowitz-TR2but she finished in 10 mins instead of 45 Sep 08 17:09
schestowitz-TR2and thought she aced itSep 08 17:09
schestowitz-TR2will need to waitSep 08 17:09
Techrights-secexcellentSep 08 17:09
schestowitz-TR2hmmmSep 08 17:20
schestowitz-TR2interestingSep 08 17:20
schestowitz-TR2they apparently just say pass or no passSep 08 17:20
schestowitz-TR2without telling you the scoreSep 08 17:20
schestowitz-TR2she knew all the questionsSep 08 17:21
schestowitz-TR2and had practiced a lotSep 08 17:21
schestowitz-TR2but I guess Home Office can see the actual scoreSep 08 17:21
schestowitz-TR2which can helpSep 08 17:21
schestowitz-TR2weird that they don't tell the person taking the examSep 08 17:21
Techrights-secoh well.Sep 08 17:21
Techrights-secWas it a language test or a specific topic instead?Sep 08 17:21
schestowitz-TR2general knowledgeSep 08 17:22
schestowitz-TR2we'll ask the attorney tomorrowSep 08 17:22
schestowitz-TR2he used to work for Home OfficerSep 08 17:22
schestowitz-TR2OfficeSep 08 17:22
schestowitz-TR2if they can at l;east appreciate a perfect scoreSep 08 17:22
Techrights-secI hope they can and that it is to her advantage.Sep 08 17:22
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schestowitz-TR2anyway, she could finished in 8 minsSep 08 17:41
schestowitz-TR2I told her to take her timeSep 08 17:41
schestowitz-TR2but no need beyond 10 Sep 08 17:41
schestowitz-TR2she knew those questionsSep 08 17:41
schestowitz-TR245 mins is too muchSep 08 17:41
schestowitz-TR2I now they that for confidentiality reasons they don't send the full results over emaiul/wwwSep 08 17:41
schestowitz-TR2just assure her it's ok, nothing furtherSep 08 17:41
schestowitz-TR2she spent over a month preparingSep 08 17:41
Techrights-secThat's good if they are cognizant of the shortcomings of standard e-mail, Sep 08 17:47
Techrights-secnot to mention M$ imitation of e-mail which routes through Washington state.Sep 08 17:47
schestowitz-TR2even if they say just pass/fail in unencrypted mailSep 08 17:48
schestowitz-TR2along with some personal detailsSep 08 17:48
schestowitz-TR2this is not goodSep 08 17:48
schestowitz-TR2the exact score is hardly the most sensitive bit of infoSep 08 17:48
schestowitz-TR2that they can leak to foreign countriesSep 08 17:48
schestowitz-TR2<techrights-news> NHS Once Again Admits That the Number of Deaths It Gave Was Wrong (More People Had Died Than It Disclosed) https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/09/08/number-of-deaths-wrong-lowballed/Sep 08 18:00
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » NHS Once Again Admits That the Number of Deaths It Gave Was Wrong (More People Had Died Than It Disclosed)Sep 08 18:00
Techrights-secGates mentioned, but only in passing, https://text.npr.org/1121525125Sep 08 18:00
Techrights-seccertainly not the visit in jailSep 08 18:00
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-text.npr.org | Here's why conspiracy theories about Jeffrey Epstein keep flourishingSep 08 18:00
schestowitz-TR2yes, BillPR is a total disgraceSep 08 18:02
schestowitz-TR2they use the label to discredit some factsSep 08 18:02
schestowitz-TR2by tying them to BSSep 08 18:02
schestowitz-TR2I'd rather just boycott BillPRSep 08 18:02
schestowitz-TR2it makes me sickSep 08 18:02
schestowitz-TR2it keeps insulting people who point out factsSep 08 18:02
schestowitz-TR2and even blocks some in twitterSep 08 18:02
schestowitz-TR2for pointing out Gates pays themSep 08 18:02
Techrights-secYes they are pushing strawman arguments on the topic.Sep 08 18:03
Techrights-secStrangely they did not mention the conflict of interest regarding fundingSep 08 18:03
Techrights-secthere in the article.  Not even a word.  Sep 08 18:03
schestowitz-TR2it is outrageousSep 08 18:04
schestowitz-TR2billbC did the exact sameSep 08 18:04
schestowitz-TR2painting bill as the victimSep 08 18:05
schestowitz-TR2"people shout at me in the streets"Sep 08 18:05
schestowitz-TR2I guess hiding the bribes is now their fallback strategySep 08 18:05
schestowitz-TR2we should just boycott them and call them out on itSep 08 18:05
schestowitz-TR2later you say gates and epstein in the same sentenceSep 08 18:05
schestowitz-TR2and people reclal this BS they saw in BillBL and BillPRSep 08 18:05
Techrights-sec  Sep 08 18:05
Techrights-secYep. That's a goal of theirs.  Sep 08 18:05
schestowitz-TR2and then they  then think you are insaneSep 08 18:05
schestowitz-TR2I think it's hardly a new strategy and some people older than me say the same about JFKSep 08 18:05
schestowitz-TR2and some about 9/11Sep 08 18:05
schestowitz-TR2became too toxic to discussSep 08 18:05
Techrights-secYep. That's a goal of theirs.  Saturate, diffuse, confuse. Sep 08 18:05
schestowitz-TR2l;ater people get cyncical about the mediaSep 08 18:08
schestowitz-TR2and turn to even worse: social control mediaSep 08 18:08
schestowitz-TR2maybe gates is hardly mentyioned for them to avoid having the burden of adding a disclosure of conflictSep 08 18:08
Techrights-secAckSep 08 18:16
Techrights-secAlready too many politicians, especially high-level ones, appear to have gottenSep 08 18:16
Techrights-secsuckered by social control media to the point that it looks like it has beenSep 08 18:16
Techrights-secinfluencing both their rhetoric and their policies.  ChumpsSep 08 18:16
Techrights-secThat level of irresponsibility is harmful when coupled by they authority theySep 08 18:16
Techrights-sechave been granted through elections or appointments.  Sep 08 18:16
Techrights-secIt's essentially worse than lobbying, and that is bad enough being in practiceSep 08 18:16
Techrights-secjust bribery dressed up a little.Sep 08 18:16
Techrights-secHowever rather than bribery, social control media is maniuplation and propagandaSep 08 18:16
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schestowitz-TR2my note: record something on banned boosk, relate this to the www/net era, mention billpr along tghe waySep 08 18:52
schestowitz-TR2rianne is now back to posting as usualSep 08 18:53
schestowitz-TR2she is pretty certain she got 100% Sep 08 18:53
schestowitz-TR2we'll ask tomorrowSep 08 18:53
schestowitz-TR2price of toiletries (toothpoaste, creams etc.) went up sharplySep 08 18:53
schestowitz-TR2we'll try to 'cheat' this system by hopping between storesSep 08 18:53
Techrights-secAnd perhaps the ephemeral nature of the web.Sep 08 18:55
Techrights-sec"shrinkflation" is affecting those goods badlySep 08 18:55
schestowitz-TR2yes, web rot is a thinkSep 08 18:58
schestowitz-TR2TR, TM, and my site have a near perfect record of keeping ALL URLs alive, even almost 20 years down the lineSep 08 18:58
schestowitz-TR2I do this with a passion, sometimes adding redirectionsSep 08 18:58
schestowitz-TR2you might even call it a compettiive advantageSep 08 18:58
schestowitz-TR2but it's not a contentSep 08 18:58
schestowitz-TR2*contestSep 08 18:58
schestowitz-TR2need to think of key points to coverSep 08 18:58
schestowitz-TR2maybe after the next round of rss cleaningSep 08 18:58
schestowitz-TR2by which point it'll be dark here anywaySep 08 18:58
schestowitz-TR2----Sep 08 19:03
schestowitz-TR2two bad newsSep 08 19:03
schestowitz-TR21) queen liz just died (yes, same time rianne did her exam)Sep 08 19:03
schestowitz-TR22) the aunt whose hunsband died months ago... got cancer (stage 1, but we hoped for less)Sep 08 19:03
schestowitz-TR2i might not record todaySep 08 19:03
schestowitz-TR2lots to digestSep 08 19:03
schestowitz-TR2I'll prioritise auto-pilot on the sitesSep 08 19:03
schestowitz-TR2bblSep 08 19:03
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Techrights-secotr: I can see 2) being of concern, but how does 1) affect anything, sorrySep 08 19:45
Techrights-secotr: for the callousness regarding 1) thereSep 08 19:45
schestowitz-TR2it is complicatedSep 08 19:51
schestowitz-TR2what it means to me is not what it means to millions of othersSep 08 19:51
schestowitz-TR2many of whom cry nowSep 08 19:51
schestowitz-TR2disparity in compassion Sep 08 19:51
schestowitz-TR2but i have many other things in my mind atm, so took a breakSep 08 19:51
schestowitz-TR2I will post link with robot-like mindSep 08 19:51
schestowitz-TR2and do posts laterSep 08 19:51
schestowitz-TR2need to calibrate a littleSep 08 19:51
schestowitz-TR2rianne is writing something about it atmSep 08 19:51
schestowitz-TR2remember she studied this stuff all day long for a long timeSep 08 19:51
schestowitz-TR2---Sep 08 19:55
schestowitz-TR2rianne heard of the term shinkflation beforeSep 08 19:55
schestowitz-TR2she even used it Sep 08 19:55
schestowitz-TR2to me it is new as I read different kinds of mediaSep 08 19:55
schestowitz-TR2we're discussing how to bypass that, like which shops sell what and whereSep 08 19:55
schestowitz-TR2there are usually 'backchannels' if you are clever and then repetitive about itSep 08 19:55
schestowitz-TR2and buy in bulkSep 08 19:55
schestowitz-TR2we also need to find where to buy suppliss for the fish on the cheapSep 08 19:55
schestowitz-TR2prices soared on basic products where we used to get 'generic' productsSep 08 19:55
schestowitz-TR2i think the "petm industry" makes a killing atm as people prioritise that sort of stuffSep 08 19:55
Techrights-secackSep 08 19:59
schestowitz-TR2 re earlier issue, you could a dopt a "i don't give a f*" attitude regarding what other people think Sep 08 20:00
schestowitz-TR2and then end up targeted as enemy #1 of vbrigades onlineSep 08 20:00
schestowitz-TR2or you could just focus on other thingsSep 08 20:00
Techrights-secThere is a rumor that RMS has been working on GNU C Language Introduction & Reference Manual.  Any way to confirm or debunk that?Sep 08 20:01
schestowitz-TR2I put that in TMSep 08 20:02
schestowitz-TR2he announced that in the mailing listSep 08 20:02
schestowitz-TR2but did not say who had comosed this documentSep 08 20:02
schestowitz-TR2baib, too many thinbgs in my mind (esp. aunt)Sep 08 20:03
schestowitz-TR2i put that down in writing to  better manage the mental storm Sep 08 20:03
schestowitz-TR2will poost new like a robot to get bySep 08 20:03
schestowitz-TR2little emotionSep 08 20:03
Techrights-secNothing at Stallman.orgSep 08 20:04
schestowitz-TR2maybe social control media conflates announcing with working onSep 08 20:07
schestowitz-TR2that's why I ignore thatSep 08 20:07
schestowitz-TR2I can find you the mailing list archive (xhtml) url againSep 08 20:07
schestowitz-TR2but I don't suppose you need itSep 08 20:07
schestowitz-TR2I'd better get back to a posting rhythm nowSep 08 20:07
schestowitz-TR2better than staring at the wall overthinking and speculatingSep 08 20:07
schestowitz-TR2which I'd rather avoidSep 08 20:07
schestowitz-TR2keeping my mind busy with new info makes me happierSep 08 20:07
schestowitz-TR2as long as it's not optimised for "engagement"Sep 08 20:07
schestowitz-TR2---Sep 08 20:09
schestowitz-TR2cancer treatment is a long processSep 08 20:09
schestowitz-TR2and no "closure" for very many monthsSep 08 20:09
schestowitz-TR2you never know if it's "over"Sep 08 20:09
schestowitz-TR2so expect more travel and visitsSep 08 20:09
schestowitz-TR2and tearsSep 08 20:09
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schestowitz-TR2<techrights-news> Number of UK Tests for COVID-19 Plunge (But Cases Rise!) https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/09/08/testing-down-sharply/Sep 08 23:31
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