●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, November 08, 2021 ●● ● Nov 08 [00:20] *altlink_195 has quit (connection closed) [00:21] *altlink_38d (~altlink_38d@2f7u5j6f87p9g.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [00:45] *leah has quit (connection closed) [00:45] *leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [00:49] *psydroid2 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [00:51] *MinceR has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [00:52] *MinceR (~mincer@bringer.of.light) has joined #boycottnovell [00:52] *irc.techrights.org sets mode +a #boycottnovell MinceR ● Nov 08 [01:25] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:25] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:27] *rianne_ (~rianne@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [01:28] *liberty_box (~liberty@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [01:57] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:57] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:59] *rianne_ (~rianne@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Nov 08 [02:00] *liberty_box (~liberty@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [02:02] *MinceR has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [02:03] *MinceR (~mincer@bringer.of.light) has joined #boycottnovell [02:03] *irc.techrights.org sets mode +a #boycottnovell MinceR [02:57] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [02:57] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Nov 08 [03:25] *liberty_box (~liberty@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [03:25] *rianne_ (~rianne@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [03:29] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [03:29] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [03:51] *MinceR has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [03:51] *MinceR (~mincer@bringer.of.light) has joined #boycottnovell [03:51] *irc.techrights.org sets mode +a #boycottnovell MinceR ● Nov 08 [04:01] *qa2 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [04:02] *qa2 (~sid145515@frp6gv52kp9fi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [04:02] *leah has quit (connection closed) [04:02] *leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [04:50] *leah has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [04:51] *leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Nov 08 [05:14] *activelow has quit (connection closed) [05:14] *activelow (~activelow@km3w6imixyp52.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [05:53] *MinceR has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [05:54] *MinceR (~mincer@bringer.of.light) has joined #boycottnovell [05:54] *irc.techrights.org sets mode +a #boycottnovell MinceR [05:58] *MinceR has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [05:58] *MinceR (~mincer@bringer.of.light) has joined #boycottnovell [05:58] *irc.techrights.org sets mode +a #boycottnovell MinceR [05:59] *rianne_ (~rianne@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Nov 08 [06:00] *liberty_box (~liberty@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [06:11] *MinceR has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [06:11] *MinceR (~mincer@bringer.of.light) has joined #boycottnovell [06:11] *irc.techrights.org sets mode +a #boycottnovell MinceR [06:19] *MinceR has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [06:20] *MinceR (~mincer@bringer.of.light) has joined #boycottnovell [06:20] *irc.techrights.org sets mode +a #boycottnovell MinceR [06:26] *MinceR has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [06:27] *MinceR (~mincer@bringer.of.light) has joined #boycottnovell [06:27] *irc.techrights.org sets mode +a #boycottnovell MinceR [06:40] *MinceR has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [06:52] *MinceR (~mincer@bringer.of.light) has joined #boycottnovell [06:52] *irc.techrights.org sets mode +a #boycottnovell MinceR [06:55] *MinceR has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [06:58] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) ● Nov 08 [07:09] *MinceR (~mincer@bringer.of.light) has joined #boycottnovell [07:09] *irc.techrights.org sets mode +a #boycottnovell MinceR [07:24] *leah has quit (connection closed) [07:24] *leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [07:26] *MinceR has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [07:34] *MinceR (~mincer@bringer.of.light) has joined #boycottnovell [07:34] *irc.techrights.org sets mode +a #boycottnovell MinceR ● Nov 08 [09:04] *leah has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [09:04] *leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Nov 08 [11:07] Techrights-sec Year 16 has begun [11:07] Techrights-sec This was cited again in the list: [11:07] Techrights-sec gemini://rosenzweig.io/gemlog/2021-04-04-your-gemlog-may-not-be-accessible.gmi [11:09] schestowitz c [11:10] schestowitz # Update (2021-04-07) [11:10] schestowitz Techrights has corrected the issue here. Thank you to Roy Schestowitz. The considerations still apply to other capsules, of course. [11:11] Techrights-sec Yep, but the abuse of Unicode persists elsewhere mostly at other sites ● Nov 08 [12:06] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@cqggrmwgu7gji.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [12:18] *altlink_38d has quit (connection closed) [12:18] *altlink_1e2 (~altlink_1e2@2f7u5j6f87p9g.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Nov 08 [13:11] Techrights-sec November 8: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swartz,_Aaron [13:11] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-en.wikipedia.org | Aaron Swartz - Wikipedia [13:14] *leah has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [13:14] *leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [13:15] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [13:18] schestowitz-TR I fixed a little typo in gemini/git [13:19] schestowitz-TR maybe we need to write a short manual sometime, for beginners, on how to replicate that gemini portal for an existing git repo. git is simple enough that it can attract people to gemini:// [13:20] Techrights-sec $ git pull [13:20] Techrights-sec Already up to date. [13:20] Techrights-sec ?? [13:21] schestowitz-TR the change was to a 'static' index file. I noticed the typo while recording a video. [13:22] Techrights-sec Should the Gemini capsule be in its own Git repository? [13:22] schestowitz-TR adding about 50k files and directories to git would likely not have much practical benefit, only performance toll [13:23] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@9vib856syp9u2.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [13:24] Techrights-sec addin [13:24] Techrights-sec In it's own, separate repository it would be cloneable. [13:24] Techrights-sec $ du -sh ~/gemini/ [13:24] Techrights-sec 1.3G /home/gemini/gemini/ [13:24] Techrights-sec Not small. :( [13:25] schestowitz-TR at the moment git:// direct is access-restricted, but the next step might be figuring out how replicate the capsule across to other nodes (assuming we trust them) [13:27] Techrights-sec The current one is tr-git or something. A second one could be created [13:27] Techrights-sec for Gemini, but the size is maybe an issue. [13:27] Techrights-sec ---- [13:27] Techrights-sec Yes, but there can be multiple, unrelated Git repositories. [13:27] Techrights-sec The current one is tr-git or something. A second one could be created [13:27] Techrights-sec for Gemini, but the size is maybe an issue. [13:28] schestowitz-TR I think pocock wanted to do it that way in case I corrected typos from his posts and he wanted them upstream with diff, but atm pages are edited by CMS (WP and MediaWiki) [13:30] Techrights-sec $ du -sh ~/gemini/* | sort -hr | head -n 5 [13:30] Techrights-sec 477M /home/gemini/gemini/tr_text_version [13:30] Techrights-sec 88M /home/gemini/gemini/2020 [13:30] Techrights-sec 77M /home/gemini/gemini/2021 [13:30] Techrights-sec 76M /home/gemini/gemini/2019 [13:30] Techrights-sec 65M /home/gemini/gemini/2016 [13:30] Techrights-sec That first directory can be omitted. [13:30] Techrights-sec With something as light as Gemini, a version control system like Git has [13:30] Techrights-sec a lot of advantage for syndication. [13:31] schestowitz-TR IIRC, that first dir is 100% softlinks [13:38] Techrights-sec Yes, they are hard links, or so it looks. [13:38] Techrights-sec $ stat -c "%i %n" tr_text_version/irc-log-010121.html /home/glr/tr_text_version/irc-log-010121.html [13:38] Techrights-sec 268438 tr_text_version/irc-log-010121.html [13:38] Techrights-sec 268438 /home/glr/tr_text_version/irc-log-010121.html [13:38] Techrights-sec Random sample of size one indicates that they are hard links. [13:39] Techrights-sec They might be hard links but neither the directory itself nor its contents [13:39] Techrights-sec are soft links as far as I can tell. Looking. [13:41] Techrights-sec That directory does not have to be included in a new Git repository. [13:41] Techrights-sec Or should it? [13:42] schestowitz-TR how often are any of these files likely to be changed? They are not wikis or documentation [13:43] Techrights-sec True. Probaby Rsync would be more appropriate for syndication? [13:43] schestowitz-TR wiki and wordpress have version control alrerady [13:45] Techrights-sec ack [13:45] Techrights-sec So then Git would only risk confusion. Best then that any syndication process [13:45] Techrights-sec be distribution only. Rsync may be best/ ● Nov 08 [15:45] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [15:51] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@9vib856syp9u2.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Nov 08 [17:09] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@k2wts6rsecgiu.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [17:11] Techrights-sec Should we put the GNU Manifesto or other similar documents in the Gemini mirror? [17:11] schestowitz-TR that would be good! It's nowhere else in geminispace... let's accommodate the space... I saw one capsule that archived many historic USENET posts [17:20] Techrights-sec It's currently hard to find except via Wikipedia. [17:25] *Despatche (~desp@u3xy9z2ifjzci.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [17:33] *leah has quit (connection closed) [17:33] *leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [17:41] Techrights-sec gemini://gemini.techrights.org/archive/GNU_Manifesto.gmi [17:47] schestowitz-TR excellent, I wonder how these articles would be best tied together, IIRC there are now 3 of them in total, not sure what taxonomy suits it best as it's sort of "imported" [17:51] Techrights-sec I'm not sure there will be enough to warrant a taxonomy. At this point just [17:51] Techrights-sec an unordered list linked somewhere direcly or indirectly from the main page [17:51] Techrights-sec will do. The GNU Manifesto is an important historical document, as is [17:51] Techrights-sec the Cathedral and the Bazaar [17:51] Techrights-sec The Halloween I document is very important, also, because it outlines [17:51] Techrights-sec the intentional steps M$ has taken to hold back, damage, and in some cases [17:51] Techrights-sec destroy the market. [17:51] Techrights-sec The world of computing would be 30 to 40 years ahead of where it is now [17:51] Techrights-sec if M$ and BillG had never existed. [17:53] Techrights-sec The Cathedral and the Bazaar mentions *BSD a lot. [17:53] Techrights-sec TR can't and oughtn't mirror too much, but some of these core documents are [17:53] Techrights-sec important to have and to show to 'new' audiences which haven't seen them [17:53] Techrights-sec yet or which can benefit from looking at them with new eyes. ● Nov 08 [18:24] *schestowitz-TR has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [18:24] *Techrights-sec has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [18:24] *libertybox has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [18:24] *schestowitz-TR (~acer-box@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [18:24] *Techrights-sec (~quassel@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [18:25] *libertybox (~schestowitz_log@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [18:33] Techrights-sec gemini://gemini.techrights.org/archive/archive.gmi [18:33] schestowitz-TR Thanks, I have just done a video about it and I'll link to gemini://gemini.techrights.org/archive/archive.gmi [18:34] Techrights-sec np [18:35] schestowitz-TR if it's OK with you, we'll increase focus on gemini and video this coming year? [18:39] Techrights-sec The 'favicon.txt' file ought to be excluded from: [18:39] Techrights-sec gemini://gemini.techrights.org/stats/ [18:40] schestowitz-TR that would be easy to implement. the other day I wanted to add total number of UNIQUE requests, maybe one commit can get both things done? [18:41] Techrights-sec np [18:41] Techrights-sec Sounds good, just be sure that the videos have enough accompanying text [18:41] Techrights-sec to be relevant on their own in Gemini. [18:41] Techrights-sec The 'favicon.txt' file ought to be excluded from: [18:41] Techrights-sec gemini://gemini.techrights.org/stats/ [18:42] schestowitz-TR I noticed that in the script for states there's some odd line at the very end, with ">>>>" or similar [18:42] Techrights-sec I think so, AWK or Perl can do that. I'd need read access to the logs for that [18:45] Techrights-sec No idea, but it is in the non-functional archived code, after the 'exit' [18:45] Techrights-sec so it never runs. Perhaps it was a paste mistake? [18:47] schestowitz-TR Do you need access to the log for testing purposes or something else? [18:48] Techrights-sec Testing. [18:49] Techrights-sec Testing. I think temporary membership in the adm group ought to give [18:49] Techrights-sec read access to /var/log/syslog.1 [18:50] Techrights-sec export-stats.sh is the right script? [18:50] schestowitz-TR yes, I noticed that you has it archive past date's stats, which we can make another page for (index), just like lupa archive stats at the last date of each month [18:52] schestowitz-TR Ok. export-stats.sh has been tweaked but needs testing, can you take a look? [18:59] schestowitz-TR I've just run the export script and then updated the stats page too,were the changes 'deployed to the pi/live'? ● Nov 08 [19:12] Techrights-sec Yes, [19:13] schestowitz-TR I now see why I was confused. There was a copy of that file on the "pi" account, so I was running an old version [19:14] schestowitz-TR favicon still shows up and total unique is 100 less than the total sum [19:15] Techrights-sec ack [19:22] *schestowitz-TR has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [19:22] *Techrights-sec has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [19:23] *libertybox has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [19:28] *schestowitz-TR (~acer-box@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [19:28] *Techrights-sec (~quassel@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [19:28] *libertybox (~schestowitz_log@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [19:29] Techrights-sec Strange. The sum should be ok. I've added a removal for the favicon.txt now [19:29] schestowitz-TR seems to have fixed it! Ready for git, I guess. Two improvements, one stonethrow. [19:31] Techrights-sec I see the error now. [19:31] Techrights-sec Ok. Please retry. [19:31] Techrights-sec Excellent [19:36] *schestowitz-TR has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [19:36] *Techrights-sec has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [19:37] *libertybox has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [19:41] schestowitz now with 'git show' I can see with colours the diffs. The cruft is left behind in git history, which I guess is the right way to do is and the advantage of git/source version management (nothing gets lost completely). We really should make a backup of serveerwside git sometimes [19:42] *schestowitz-TR (~acer-box@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [19:42] *libertybox (~schestowitz_log@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [19:42] *Techrights-sec (~quassel@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [19:43] schestowitz now with 'git show' I can see with colours the diffs. The cruft is left behind in git history, which I guess is the right way to do is and the advantage of git/source version management (nothing gets lost completely). We really should make a backup of serveerwside git sometimes [19:47] Techrights-sec I have done it occasionally but can do it again this week. It's not automated. [19:47] Techrights-sec IIRC [19:56] Techrights-sec Backed up now as of a few minutes ago. ● Nov 08 [20:09] *Techrights-sec has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [20:09] *libertybox has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [20:09] *schestowitz-TR has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [20:13] *schestowitz-TR (~acer-box@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [20:14] *Techrights-sec (~quassel@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [20:14] *libertybox (~schestowitz_log@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [20:15] Techrights-sec ack [20:15] Techrights-sec It's good that there is a gemini link to the index of archived documents. [20:15] Techrights-sec Maybe it would have been good to include web links in the post directing people [20:15] Techrights-sec to the originals? [20:17] schestowitz-TR at some stage we can create a PAGE, not POST, in WordPress, with an index of all those gemini pages, maybe keep those indices synched somehow... [20:18] Techrights-sec Maybe too much manual effort with that. [20:20] Techrights-sec afk ● Nov 08 [22:52] *activelow has quit (Quit: leaving) ● Nov 08 [23:43] *psydroid2 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s)