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schestowitz | at case (will forward the documpos (hope all). Takes mpos (hope all). Takes m | Sep 09 04:30 |
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schestowitz | > Please feel free to send me your questions and/or the text of your | Sep 09 04:30 |
schestowitz | > publication. | Sep 09 04:30 |
schestowitz | working on this some more... | Sep 09 04:30 |
schestowitz | Re: something going on (not much) | Sep 09 04:32 |
schestowitz | > im still dissatisfied with the fsfs denial of the problem. imo until | Sep 09 04:32 |
schestowitz | > that is fixed, it makes plenty of sense to fight the denial. | Sep 09 04:32 |
schestowitz | > | Sep 09 04:32 |
schestowitz | > im always looking for constructive (mostly, constructive) ways to deal | Sep 09 04:32 |
schestowitz | > with that, but disagreements can get ugly. and i find fake agreements | Sep 09 04:32 |
schestowitz | > and false compromise ugly as well. | Sep 09 04:32 |
schestowitz | > | Sep 09 04:32 |
schestowitz | > the thing is, im not really looking for the fsf to do anything it hasnt | Sep 09 04:32 |
schestowitz | > done in the past. this idea that if the license is free there is no | Sep 09 04:32 |
schestowitz | > problem-- they know better than that, because in the past theyve found | Sep 09 04:32 |
schestowitz | > other problems. its out of character for them to deny other problems. | Sep 09 04:32 |
schestowitz | > and they keep doing it. | Sep 09 04:32 |
schestowitz | > | Sep 09 04:32 |
schestowitz | > so at that point, im willing to call bullshit. | Sep 09 04:32 |
schestowitz | > | Sep 09 04:32 |
schestowitz | > and i think it has to be done. | Sep 09 04:32 |
schestowitz | > | Sep 09 04:32 |
schestowitz | > but only insomuch as their denial hurts other peoples ability to address | Sep 09 04:32 |
schestowitz | > problems. and i think it does, but i dont think its necessary to fight | Sep 09 04:32 |
schestowitz | > them more than it takes to fix that one thing. | Sep 09 04:32 |
schestowitz | > | Sep 09 04:32 |
schestowitz | > they wont fix it. but they need to stop saying its not a problem-- thats | Sep 09 04:32 |
schestowitz | > the bullshit part. | Sep 09 04:32 |
schestowitz | > | Sep 09 04:32 |
schestowitz | > | Sep 09 04:32 |
schestowitz | > from the forums ...................... | Sep 09 04:32 |
schestowitz | > | Sep 09 04:32 |
schestowitz | > | Sep 09 04:32 |
schestowitz | > | Sep 09 04:32 |
schestowitz | > I've known Dr. Roy since the times of Boycott Novell, if memory serves | Sep 09 04:32 |
schestowitz | > me well, it was 2006 ~ 2007. | Sep 09 04:32 |
schestowitz | > | Sep 09 04:32 |
schestowitz | > | Sep 09 04:32 |
schestowitz | > Please, send the link. | Sep 09 04:32 |
schestowitz | > | Sep 09 04:32 |
schestowitz | > I don't remember how many times I commented in Techrights... | Sep 09 04:33 |
schestowitz | > | Sep 09 04:33 |
schestowitz | > | Sep 09 04:33 |
schestowitz | > We can do it, we can save Free Software, but, we'll have to fork FSF. | Sep 09 04:33 |
schestowitz | > | Sep 09 04:33 |
schestowitz | > | Sep 09 04:33 |
schestowitz | > With their current mindset, we're screwed (and free software, by | Sep 09 04:33 |
schestowitz | > consequence). | Sep 09 04:33 |
schestowitz | > | Sep 09 04:33 |
schestowitz | > | Sep 09 04:33 |
schestowitz | > Regards, | Sep 09 04:33 |
schestowitz | > *IP: [ 179.189.140.1 | Sep 09 04:33 |
schestowitz | > <http://softwarefreedom.jcink.net/index.php?act=modcp&CODE=ip&incoming=179.189.140.1> | Sep 09 04:33 |
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schestowitz | > | Sep 09 04:33 |
schestowitz | > PM | Sep 09 04:33 |
schestowitz | > <http://softwarefreedom.jcink.net/index.php?act=Msg&CODE=04&MID=11>Email | Sep 09 04:33 |
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schestowitz | > | Sep 09 04:33 |
schestowitz | > | Sep 09 04:33 |
schestowitz | > figosdev <http://softwarefreedom.jcink.net/index.php?showuser=1> | Sep 09 04:33 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-softwarefreedom.jcink.net | Viewing Profile -> figosdev | Sep 09 04:33 | |
schestowitz | > | Sep 09 04:33 |
schestowitz | > *Posted: | Sep 09 04:33 |
schestowitz | > <http://softwarefreedom.jcink.net/index.php?act=ST&f=2&t=143&st=0#>* 3 | Sep 09 04:33 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-softwarefreedom.jcink.net | free media alliance -> And now, RMS in Microsoft... | Sep 09 04:33 | |
schestowitz | > minutes ago | Sep 09 04:33 |
schestowitz | > Report | Sep 09 04:33 |
schestowitz | > <http://softwarefreedom.jcink.net/index.php?act=report&f=2&t=143&p=373&st=0>DeleteEditQuote | Sep 09 04:33 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-softwarefreedom.jcink.net | Board Message | Sep 09 04:33 | |
schestowitz | > <http://softwarefreedom.jcink.net/index.php?act=Post&CODE=06&f=2&t=143&p=373> | Sep 09 04:33 |
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schestowitz | > | Sep 09 04:33 |
schestowitz | > | Sep 09 04:33 |
schestowitz | > Administrator | Sep 09 04:33 |
schestowitz | > Group: Admin | Sep 09 04:33 |
schestowitz | > Posts: 207 | Sep 09 04:33 |
schestowitz | > Joined: 30-May 18 | Sep 09 04:33 |
schestowitz | > Age: N/A | Sep 09 04:33 |
schestowitz | > Location: N/A | Sep 09 04:33 |
schestowitz | > Status: N/A | Sep 09 04:33 |
schestowitz | > | Sep 09 04:33 |
schestowitz | > | Sep 09 04:33 |
schestowitz | > | Sep 09 04:34 |
schestowitz | > | Sep 09 04:34 |
schestowitz | > | Sep 09 04:34 |
schestowitz | > *QUOTE* (Agent Smith @ Sep 9 2019, 12:29 AM) | Sep 09 04:34 |
schestowitz | > We can do it, we can save Free Software, but, we'll have to fork FSF. | Sep 09 04:34 |
schestowitz | > | Sep 09 04:34 |
schestowitz | > With their current mindset, we're screwed (and free software, by | Sep 09 04:34 |
schestowitz | > consequence). | Sep 09 04:34 |
schestowitz | > | Sep 09 04:34 |
schestowitz | > | Sep 09 04:34 |
schestowitz | > | Sep 09 04:34 |
schestowitz | > there are things we can do without the fsf. the problem is that the fsf | Sep 09 04:34 |
schestowitz | > enjoys a monopoly on free software advocacy that it doesnt acknowledge | Sep 09 04:34 |
schestowitz | > it has. | Sep 09 04:34 |
schestowitz | > | Sep 09 04:34 |
schestowitz | > the problem with that monopoly is that it has abused it to dismiss | Sep 09 04:34 |
schestowitz | > significant problems that have gone on for years that affect development | Sep 09 04:34 |
schestowitz | > and free software itself-- including its own software platform (which we | Sep 09 04:34 |
schestowitz | > use.) | Sep 09 04:34 |
schestowitz | > | Sep 09 04:34 |
schestowitz | > they constantly dismiss the fact that it needs to be fixed, by saying | Sep 09 04:34 |
schestowitz | > that its fixable. | Sep 09 04:34 |
schestowitz | > | Sep 09 04:34 |
schestowitz | > "this thing is dangerous, it needs to be fixed" | Sep 09 04:34 |
schestowitz | > | Sep 09 04:34 |
schestowitz | > "that doesnt matter, youre free to fix it." | Sep 09 04:34 |
schestowitz | > | Sep 09 04:34 |
schestowitz | > "yes, but youre saying its not a problem." | Sep 09 04:34 |
schestowitz | > | Sep 09 04:34 |
schestowitz | > "its not a problem, its free software." | Sep 09 04:34 |
schestowitz | > | Sep 09 04:34 |
schestowitz | > if that bullshit runaround doesnt stop, then the fsf is making a joke | Sep 09 04:34 |
schestowitz | > out of itself. ive tolerated this sort of fallacy for years, and im done | Sep 09 04:34 |
schestowitz | > with it. im done with it from oliva, from rms, from fsf supporters, from | Sep 09 04:34 |
schestowitz | > everybody. | Sep 09 04:34 |
schestowitz | > | Sep 09 04:34 |
schestowitz | > with that said, there are plenty of things the fsf is more equipped to | Sep 09 04:34 |
schestowitz | > do than anybody else, which we might as well let them do. | Sep 09 04:34 |
schestowitz | > | Sep 09 04:34 |
schestowitz | > however, there are things they should be doing that they are neglecting, | Sep 09 04:34 |
schestowitz | > and when there are enough of us we can: | Sep 09 04:35 |
schestowitz | > | Sep 09 04:35 |
schestowitz | > 1. call them on it | Sep 09 04:35 |
schestowitz | > | Sep 09 04:35 |
schestowitz | > 2. do something about it | Sep 09 04:35 |
schestowitz | > | Sep 09 04:35 |
schestowitz | > 3. encourage others to stop parroting their fallacy | Sep 09 04:35 |
schestowitz | > | Sep 09 04:35 |
schestowitz | > i think the foundation needs to be the 4 freedoms, i think the name | Sep 09 04:35 |
schestowitz | > needs to be free software-- | Sep 09 04:35 |
schestowitz | > | Sep 09 04:35 |
schestowitz | > and i think the advocacy needs to go beyond saying its ok if the license | Sep 09 04:35 |
schestowitz | > checks out. | Sep 09 04:35 |
schestowitz | > | Sep 09 04:35 |
schestowitz | > we need new criteria, but i think those criteria need to have free | Sep 09 04:35 |
schestowitz | > software at the core. | Sep 09 04:35 |
schestowitz | > | Sep 09 04:35 |
schestowitz | > the problem with free software isnt free software-- its that there are | Sep 09 04:35 |
schestowitz | > threats to free software that need to be talked about, and the fsf wont | Sep 09 04:35 |
schestowitz | > talk about it-- in fact they are dismissive (and i dont think their | Sep 09 04:35 |
schestowitz | > argument is any good.) | Sep 09 04:35 |
schestowitz | > | Sep 09 04:35 |
schestowitz | > dismissing the problem as a non-problem is not what i would consider | Sep 09 04:35 |
schestowitz | > talking about it. | Sep 09 04:35 |
schestowitz | > | Sep 09 04:35 |
schestowitz | > sure, you can say "we covered this, and its alright." but it clearly | Sep 09 04:35 |
schestowitz | > isnt alright. | Sep 09 04:35 |
schestowitz | > | Sep 09 04:35 |
schestowitz | > so, we go from there. | Sep 09 04:35 |
schestowitz | > | Sep 09 04:35 |
schestowitz | > in short, i think we need to fork parts of the fsf. the rest of it is | Sep 09 04:35 |
schestowitz | > fine-- they have the resources and the lawyers, the licenses and the | Sep 09 04:35 |
schestowitz | > infrastructure. | Sep 09 04:35 |
schestowitz | > | Sep 09 04:35 |
schestowitz | > what we really need are better arguments and better methods, which | Sep 09 04:35 |
schestowitz | > people cant dismiss so easily. the fsf does stand in the way of that by | Sep 09 04:35 |
schestowitz | > being unreasonably dismissive. | Sep 09 04:35 |
schestowitz | > | Sep 09 04:35 |
schestowitz | > its difficult to get past the influence they have, so long as youre | Sep 09 04:35 |
schestowitz | > trying to go after people used to parroting their arguments: | Sep 09 04:35 |
schestowitz | > | Sep 09 04:36 |
schestowitz | > does the fsf care about it? no. | Sep 09 04:36 |
schestowitz | > | Sep 09 04:36 |
schestowitz | > ok, thats all they need to know to not care about it either. | Sep 09 04:36 |
schestowitz | > | Sep 09 04:36 |
schestowitz | > thats the monopoly they enjoy. that has to change, unless we present | Sep 09 04:36 |
schestowitz | > something else that people who dont parrot the fsf would like instead. | Sep 09 04:36 |
schestowitz | > | Sep 09 04:36 |
schestowitz | > as for me, the goal is free software and software freedom. | Sep 09 04:36 |
schestowitz | > | Sep 09 04:36 |
schestowitz | > thats the real goal. i dont think open source really had that goal, but | Sep 09 04:36 |
schestowitz | > it pretended to. i think its important to stay true to that goal, | Sep 09 04:36 |
schestowitz | > whether the fsf is forked or not. and im looking foremost for people who | Sep 09 04:36 |
schestowitz | > agree thats what we need. | Sep 09 04:36 |
schestowitz | > | Sep 09 04:36 |
schestowitz | > but im willing to bring other people along for the ride, as long as | Sep 09 04:36 |
schestowitz | > theyre aware of the goal. | Sep 09 04:36 |
schestowitz | > | Sep 09 04:36 |
schestowitz | > and this organisation IS very forkable. you can fork the organisation | Sep 09 04:36 |
schestowitz | > itself, or you can setup an unofficial department under the umbrella, | Sep 09 04:36 |
schestowitz | > which is less work. | Sep 09 04:36 |
schestowitz | > | Sep 09 04:36 |
schestowitz | > unofficially i refer to this fsf that is forkable by design, the free | Sep 09 04:36 |
schestowitz | > software federation. officially, i call it the free media alliance. i | Sep 09 04:36 |
schestowitz | > dont think "the free software federation" would fly, but it is a decent | Sep 09 04:36 |
schestowitz | > description of the effort being made here. | Sep 09 04:36 |
schestowitz | > | Sep 09 04:36 |
schestowitz | > a non-binding list of suggestions towards this broader goal is offered | Sep 09 04:36 |
schestowitz | > to anybody who wishes to adopt them: | Sep 09 04:36 |
schestowitz | > https://freemedia.neocities.org/thrive.html | Sep 09 04:36 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-freemedia.neocities.org | free media alliance | Sep 09 04:36 | |
schestowitz | > | Sep 09 04:36 |
schestowitz | > its not a code of conduct, anymore than the united states constitution | Sep 09 04:36 |
schestowitz | > is a code of conduct. but it does have suggestions on how to resolve | Sep 09 04:36 |
schestowitz | > unnecessary differences, while retaining the important ones. | Sep 09 04:36 |
schestowitz | "Please feel free to send me your questions and/or the text of your publication." | Sep 09 04:36 |
schestowitz | > While some of this may be of public interest, I prefer that you do not | Sep 09 04:36 |
schestowitz | > publish about it until further notice. Yet, as you mentioned your | Sep 09 04:36 |
schestowitz | > contact to Director-General Mr Guy Ryder, I think it would be very | Sep 09 04:36 |
schestowitz | > helpful, if you drew his attention to this issue. Though the Tribunal is | Sep 09 04:36 |
schestowitz | > independent, his informal advice could help to protect essential | Sep 09 04:36 |
schestowitz | > employees' rights (such as the right of access to the Tribunal, Article | Sep 09 04:37 |
schestowitz | > 6 ECHR) and legal principles in their support, but also the Tribunal's | Sep 09 04:37 |
schestowitz | > reputation which the Tribunal could harm by more Judgments along the | Sep 09 04:37 |
schestowitz | > lines of Judgment 4131. | Sep 09 04:37 |
schestowitz | > | Sep 09 04:37 |
schestowitz | > Thanks a lot (already), also for your commitment to stop software | Sep 09 04:37 |
schestowitz | > patents unlawful under the EPC, and to inform about the developments in | Sep 09 04:37 |
schestowitz | > the EPO - all the best to you. | Sep 09 04:37 |
schestowitz | [Sunday, 8 September 2019] [19:34:43 BST] <xxxx> Hello, dropping here a few more technical info about Azure IoT Device Management, and Windows 10 IoT Core Services | Sep 09 05:16 |
schestowitz | [Sunday, 8 September 2019] [19:34:50 BST] | Sep 09 05:16 |
schestowitz | [Sunday, 8 September 2019] [19:34:59 BST] <schestowitz> cheers | Sep 09 05:16 |
schestowitz | [Sunday, 8 September 2019] [19:35:17 BST] <xxxx> (sorry looks a lot like corporate spam like this eheh) | Sep 09 05:16 |
schestowitz | [Sunday, 8 September 2019] [19:37:10 BST] <xxxx> I'm following Microsoft strategy entering IoT/Embedded market, since it's the are I'm more involved in right now, and they are doing a lot of promotion of these around, I've seen the same people from MS Germany demoing at embedded trade shows around europe | Sep 09 05:16 |
schestowitz | [Sunday, 8 September 2019] [19:38:19 BST] <schestowitz> so I'm told... | Sep 09 05:16 |
schestowitz | [Sunday, 8 September 2019] [19:38:38 BST] <schestowitz> MS loves data... I mean, Linux | Sep 09 05:16 |
schestowitz | [19:40] <xxxx> yes indeed, and cloud lock-in. And stomping on standards. So I see the market fit there, where standards for cloud communication and firmware upgrades are thin and just taking off. | Sep 09 05:16 |
schestowitz | [19:43] <xxxx> I saw a nice panel at RIOT-OS summit in Helsinki this week. Video will be out soon. | Sep 09 05:16 |
schestowitz | [19:43] <xxxx> https://summit.riot-os.org/2019/blog/speakers/jari-arkko/ | Sep 09 05:16 |
schestowitz | [19:45] <xxxx> it contains a call for action to not trust third parties for key management in IoT devices | Sep 09 05:16 |
schestowitz | [19:48] <xxxx> Microsoft is only one of the actors in this context. I've been following ARM's attempts of acquisition of GPL projects in embedded for many years. For some reason they push to remove copyleft from the projects they want to acquire. | Sep 09 05:16 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-summit.riot-os.org | Jari Arkko – RIOT Summit 2019 | Sep 09 05:16 | |
schestowitz | [19:48] <xxxx> (that's how PolarSSL became mbedTLS at the time and lost its GPL) | Sep 09 05:16 |
schestowitz | [19:50] <xxxx> the old method of hiring the project manager to remove copyleft from the project -- see also FreeRTOS becoming Amazon FreeRTOS (this time GPL->MIT) | Sep 09 05:16 |
schestowitz | [19:54] <xxxx> I have a long track record of these, and xxx has more cases he found out about in other contexts, I am meeting with him this week to collect ideas for a talk to spread awareness, we'll be in touch if you are interested | Sep 09 05:16 |
schestowitz | [19:55] <xxxx> we both think we need a new way to talk about copyleft to software developers, but also to people taking decisions | Sep 09 05:16 |
schestowitz | [19:59] <xxxx> apologies if all this sounds random, I just wanted to share with you part of my current activity since I saw you mentioning my toot in the openwashing post | Sep 09 05:16 |
schestowitz | [20:19] <xxxx> sorry I was wrong about polarSSL, looks like they re-instated a GPL for mbedTLS recently (probably due to compatibility problems with Apache2 in GPL2 projects) | Sep 09 05:16 |
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schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/1170965272167100416 | Sep 09 09:38 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@zoobab: EPO: "I have a passion for both justice and rule of law " Too bad the EPO does not follow the rule of law, maybe th… https://t.co/kVfwzJxYEh | Sep 09 09:38 | |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@zoobab: EPO: "I have a passion for both justice and rule of law " Too bad the EPO does not follow the rule of law, maybe th… https://t.co/kVfwzJxYEh | Sep 09 09:38 | |
schestowitz | "EPO: "I have a passion for both justice and rule of law " Too bad the EPO does not follow the rule of law, maybe the other german constitutional complaint about the EPO will end up declaring the EPC construction illegal http://techrights.org/2019/09/08/epo-games-at-ilo/ …" | Sep 09 09:38 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Koch Explains the Dirty Games the European Patent Office Plays at ILO | Techrights | Sep 09 09:38 | |
schestowitz | https://twitter.com/DMCANews/status/1170764405279092736 | Sep 09 13:24 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@DMCANews: @schestowitz wow. The way it was presented, he is a "expert" community person - sounded like he was there for years! | Sep 09 13:24 | |
schestowitz | he is an imposer surrounded by proprietary enablers and reinforcers. See how he treated me in FLOSS Weekly. | Sep 09 13:25 |
schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Ronald13515029/status/1170873167704969217 | Sep 09 13:27 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Ronald13515029: @schestowitz @CCFCheetah So far no cheetahs...soon! | Sep 09 13:27 | |
schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Ronald13515029/status/1170873275548876802 | Sep 09 13:27 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Ronald13515029: @RayajDivad @schestowitz @CCFCheetah Right! | Sep 09 13:27 | |
schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jhamby/status/1170874549686026240 | Sep 09 13:28 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@jhamby: @schestowitz Google's not going to join your anti-Microsoft crusade. They're best friends now. They love each other. | Sep 09 13:28 | |
schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Flavia0847/status/1170875055091462150 | Sep 09 13:28 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Flavia0847: He certainly wasn't in anybody's pocket - except perhaps his own people. Maybe they'll get luckier? https://t.co/1E8VpuTeuJ | Sep 09 13:28 | |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: Dictator #Mugabe denied million a vote - now they can finally 'vote', by boycott his funeral https://t.co/9Lk2WXb1rw | Sep 09 13:28 | |
schestowitz | https://twitter.com/PoeBrianL/status/1170875295525720064 | Sep 09 13:29 |
schestowitz | " | Sep 09 13:29 |
schestowitz | • Buy energy tech patents & make them open source & freely available. | Sep 09 13:29 |
schestowitz | @schestowitz | Sep 09 13:29 |
schestowitz | may know more on that. | Sep 09 13:29 |
schestowitz | • Provide seed funding to start distributed, localized, open source manufacturing of renewables. | Sep 09 13:29 |
schestowitz | @larry79115 | Sep 09 13:29 |
schestowitz | can definitely advise on that. | Sep 09 13:29 |
schestowitz | • Find ppl ready for change. | Sep 09 13:29 |
schestowitz | " | Sep 09 13:29 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@PoeBrianL: @ClimateHuman • Buy energy tech patents & make them open source & freely available. @schestowitz may know more on t… https://t.co/ERIdr8u4YC | Sep 09 13:29 | |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@PoeBrianL: @ClimateHuman • Buy energy tech patents & make them open source & freely available. @schestowitz may know more on t… https://t.co/ERIdr8u4YC | Sep 09 13:29 | |
schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jhamby/status/1170876069605335041 | Sep 09 13:29 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@jhamby: Surveillance and military applications in the cloud, sigh… Google's differential privacy library (first link) is an… https://t.co/8xJcft7pI0 | Sep 09 13:29 | |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@jhamby: Surveillance and military applications in the cloud, sigh… Google's differential privacy library (first link) is an… https://t.co/8xJcft7pI0 | Sep 09 13:29 | |
schestowitz | "Surveillance and military applications in the cloud, sigh… Google's differential privacy library (first link) is an interesting way to claim they can't target individuals with the Big Data marketing algorithms. But the power is still in the cloud, and you have to trust them." | Sep 09 13:29 |
schestowitz | "https://twitter.com/jhamby/status/1170876069605335041" | Sep 09 13:30 |
schestowitz | I was feeling depressed on Friday for messing up a phone screen interview with Ring, but it was good practice for me, and a good excuse for me to withdraw from consideration and not waste any more of their time or mine. Amazon would not be a good fit for my ethical standards. | Sep 09 13:30 |
schestowitz | Jake Hamby | Sep 09 13:30 |
schestowitz | @jhamby | Sep 09 13:30 |
schestowitz | · | Sep 09 13:30 |
schestowitz | 10h | Sep 09 13:30 |
schestowitz | Also, they don't need someone of my level of experience for their Neighbors app. I already uninstalled it. I can see what they're trying to do, and Citizen seems to be doing a better job at the "monitoring police activity" part. Presumably Nextdoor is better at the social part. | Sep 09 13:30 |
schestowitz | Jake Hamby | Sep 09 13:30 |
schestowitz | @jhamby | Sep 09 13:30 |
schestowitz | · | Sep 09 13:30 |
schestowitz | 10h | Sep 09 13:30 |
schestowitz | Even more than my ethical queasiness, the Amazon work environment seems like one where the managers quickly discover everyone's weaknesses and manipulate people to keep them on edge, and the questions I was asked were very probing. See this 2015 story: | Sep 09 13:30 |
schestowitz | Inside Amazon: Wrestling Big Ideas in a Bruising Workplace | Sep 09 13:30 |
schestowitz | The company is conducting an experiment in how far it can push white-collar workers to get them to achieve its ever-expanding ambitions. | Sep 09 13:30 |
schestowitz | nytimes.com | Sep 09 13:31 |
schestowitz | Jake Hamby | Sep 09 13:31 |
schestowitz | @jhamby | Sep 09 13:31 |
schestowitz | · | Sep 09 13:31 |
schestowitz | 10h | Sep 09 13:31 |
schestowitz | Wow, after rereading that story, Amazon is not for me. 😬😬😬 | Sep 09 13:31 |
schestowitz | Yuhong Bao | Sep 09 13:31 |
schestowitz | @yuhong2 | Sep 09 13:31 |
schestowitz | · | Sep 09 13:31 |
schestowitz | 10h | Sep 09 13:31 |
schestowitz | Replying to | Sep 09 13:31 |
schestowitz | @jhamby | Sep 09 13:31 |
schestowitz | I really wish my essay/overview on Google have more press. | Sep 09 13:31 |
schestowitz | ' | Sep 09 13:31 |
schestowitz | " | Sep 09 13:31 |
schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Ronald13515029/status/1170876469314228224 | Sep 09 13:31 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Ronald13515029: @schestowitz. Dr. You are correct about the murdering Trumps....but what evidence do you have about cheetahs? | Sep 09 13:31 | |
schestowitz | https://twitter.com/JuliePi31415926/status/1170877752448180226 | Sep 09 13:31 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@JuliePi31415926: @PoeBrianL @ClimateHuman @schestowitz @larry79115 I second the @larry79115 comment! | Sep 09 13:31 | |
schestowitz | https://twitter.com/stautistic/status/1170933267920326656 | Sep 09 13:35 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@stautistic: @schestowitz Windows 10 is more defective than Vista 🤣 | Sep 09 13:35 | |
schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FreeMyPress/status/1170961351730225152 | Sep 09 13:37 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@FreeMyPress: @schestowitz @wikileaks Was wondering what you meant by that Dr Roy. | Sep 09 13:37 | |
schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FreeMyPress/status/1170961482315681792 | Sep 09 13:37 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@FreeMyPress: @indienomous @schestowitz @wikileaks Aaron was one of a kind. | Sep 09 13:37 | |
schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/1170962131250044929 | Sep 09 13:37 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@glynmoody: just say "no" to #evoting - it can't be trusted https://t.co/BQ3CNAGEU3 | Sep 09 13:37 | |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: Why #Moscow ’s new #Internet voting system relies on faith, not transparency or peer review https://t.co/15z3o2KpoU #russia | Sep 09 13:37 | |
schestowitz | https://twitter.com/clearmapping/status/1170964321444225024 | Sep 09 13:38 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@clearmapping: @glynmoody Paper ballots every single time. Did you know that there is no automatic procedure in the land of the free to re-count ballots? | Sep 09 13:38 | |
schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/1170964828992823296 | Sep 09 13:38 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@glynmoody: @clearmapping no, I didn't, but doesn't surprise me given all the other problems... | Sep 09 13:38 | |
schestowitz | https://twitter.com/clearmapping/status/1170966868607340544 | Sep 09 13:38 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@clearmapping: @glynmoody And most states only have electronic booths. Gerrymandering is prolific too. | Sep 09 13:38 | |
schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/1170968201070596096 | Sep 09 13:38 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@glynmoody: @clearmapping deeply worrying | Sep 09 13:38 | |
schestowitz | Maybe they can just outsource election to Facebook with "real ID" policy... and C.A. as a "trusted partner" | Sep 09 13:39 |
schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MonopoliesRock8/status/1170969427858382848 | Sep 09 13:40 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MonopoliesRock8: @schestowitz What if those are illegitimate daughters of those men, with whom each man was photographed? Imagine i… https://t.co/oRutdw60hX | Sep 09 13:40 | |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MonopoliesRock8: @schestowitz What if those are illegitimate daughters of those men, with whom each man was photographed? Imagine i… https://t.co/oRutdw60hX | Sep 09 13:40 | |
schestowitz | " | Sep 09 13:40 |
schestowitz | What if those are illegitimate daughters of those men, with whom each man was photographed? | Sep 09 13:40 |
schestowitz | Imagine if you will.. Epstein.. | Sep 09 13:40 |
schestowitz | " | Sep 09 13:40 |
schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MonopoliesRock8/status/1170983096042348544 | Sep 09 13:42 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MonopoliesRock8: @schestowitz Each time I updated my LM Tara OS one USB quit working until my system stopped working. I am now using… https://t.co/Db3ocefmm7 | Sep 09 13:42 | |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MonopoliesRock8: @schestowitz Each time I updated my LM Tara OS one USB quit working until my system stopped working. I am now using… https://t.co/Db3ocefmm7 | Sep 09 13:42 | |
schestowitz | "Each time I updated my LM Tara OS one USB quit working until my system stopped working. I am now using live since it is Iso & can't be ruined..." | Sep 09 13:42 |
schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/1170985453887135744 | Sep 09 13:43 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@zoobab: @schestowitz It's a tracking device in a surveillance society. | Sep 09 13:43 | |
schestowitz | https://twitter.com/larry79115/status/1170987040743276544 | Sep 09 13:44 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@larry79115: @JuliePi31415926 @PoeBrianL @ClimateHuman @schestowitz Thanks. We're heading into societal collapse, all signs are… https://t.co/90aztXqPTQ | Sep 09 13:44 | |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@larry79115: @JuliePi31415926 @PoeBrianL @ClimateHuman @schestowitz Thanks. We're heading into societal collapse, all signs are… https://t.co/90aztXqPTQ | Sep 09 13:44 | |
schestowitz | " | Sep 09 13:44 |
schestowitz | Thanks. We're heading into societal collapse, all signs are on the table. And some climate scientists are talking about the futility of building batteries, etc. | Sep 09 13:44 |
schestowitz | Where the Fuck were they in 2010 when the OECD and IEA said they would do it and have us off fossil fuels by 2020? | Sep 09 13:44 |
schestowitz | " | Sep 09 13:44 |
schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MonopoliesRock8/status/1170991237039628295 | Sep 09 13:44 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MonopoliesRock8: @schestowitz Capitalism is ONLY good to lower wages BUT that isn't what the problem is worldwide... The old world 3… https://t.co/WaQKUEl8Sl | Sep 09 13:44 | |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MonopoliesRock8: @schestowitz Capitalism is ONLY good to lower wages BUT that isn't what the problem is worldwide... The old world 3… https://t.co/WaQKUEl8Sl | Sep 09 13:44 | |
schestowitz | " | Sep 09 13:44 |
schestowitz | Capitalism is ONLY good to lower wages BUT that isn't what the problem is worldwide... The old world 3rd world & all across the West have been converging... | Sep 09 13:44 |
schestowitz | So capitalism bad in the West meanwhile Capitalism good in 3rd World... Except now the 3rd World is better than New World. | Sep 09 13:44 |
schestowitz | " | Sep 09 13:44 |
schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MonopoliesRock8/status/1171001494352617472 | Sep 09 13:45 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MonopoliesRock8: @schestowitz If @BernieSanders didn't *lie* to his constituents; take their $ under false pretenses... Allow @DNC… https://t.co/WOzfdL04ap | Sep 09 13:45 | |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MonopoliesRock8: @schestowitz If @BernieSanders didn't *lie* to his constituents; take their $ under false pretenses... Allow @DNC… https://t.co/WOzfdL04ap | Sep 09 13:45 | |
schestowitz | " | Sep 09 13:45 |
schestowitz | If | Sep 09 13:45 |
schestowitz | @BernieSanders | Sep 09 13:45 |
schestowitz | didn't *lie* to his constituents; take their $ under false pretenses... | Sep 09 13:45 |
schestowitz | Allow | Sep 09 13:45 |
schestowitz | @DNC | Sep 09 13:45 |
schestowitz | to work with | Sep 09 13:45 |
schestowitz | @GOP | Sep 09 13:45 |
schestowitz | & subvert Bernie supporters against these voters' preferences & principles... | Sep 09 13:45 |
schestowitz | #SethRich #DWS #Wikileaks | Sep 09 13:46 |
schestowitz | #BernieSanders2016 | Sep 09 13:46 |
schestowitz | " | Sep 09 13:46 |
schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Brandy19872013/status/1171024748966555650 | Sep 09 13:47 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Brandy19872013: Yep team player with "what difference does it make?" Hilary Clinton. https://t.co/wu3zNQnDdL | Sep 09 13:47 | |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: "Unlike Bernie Sanders, #ElizabethWarren is a team player—she's been spending time of late reassuring the Democrati… https://t.co/0poP3lGR1c | Sep 09 13:47 | |
schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MonopoliesRock8/status/1171025720258248704 | Sep 09 13:48 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MonopoliesRock8: @schestowitz The Toxicity of our city (The Big Apple aka NYC) "Between the Sacred Silence & Sleep" "I cry when A… https://t.co/fhBTsJPhx0 | Sep 09 13:48 | |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MonopoliesRock8: @schestowitz The Toxicity of our city (The Big Apple aka NYC) "Between the Sacred Silence & Sleep" "I cry when A… https://t.co/fhBTsJPhx0 | Sep 09 13:48 | |
schestowitz | " | Sep 09 13:48 |
schestowitz | The Toxicity of our city (The Big Apple aka NYC) | Sep 09 13:48 |
schestowitz | "Between the Sacred Silence & Sleep" | Sep 09 13:48 |
schestowitz | "I cry when Angels deserve to die" | Sep 09 13:48 |
schestowitz | https://youtu.be/lAg6IZc_uuU | Sep 09 13:48 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.youtube.com | System of a down - Toxicity - Lyrics - YouTube | Sep 09 13:48 | |
schestowitz | https://youtu.be/65xLByzT1l0 | Sep 09 13:48 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.youtube.com | CGI 3D Animated Short "I, Pet Goat II" by - Heliofant - YouTube | Sep 09 13:48 | |
schestowitz | " | Sep 09 13:48 |
schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MonopoliesRock8/status/1171032649802113025 | Sep 09 13:49 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MonopoliesRock8: @schestowitz Taliban invited to speak with POTUS while ignoring rest of us. (US Citizenry) Absolutely Hilarious! I… https://t.co/LIquottuv3 | Sep 09 13:49 | |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MonopoliesRock8: @schestowitz Taliban invited to speak with POTUS while ignoring rest of us. (US Citizenry) Absolutely Hilarious! I… https://t.co/LIquottuv3 | Sep 09 13:49 | |
schestowitz | " | Sep 09 13:49 |
schestowitz | Taliban invited to speak with POTUS while ignoring rest of us. (US Citizenry) | Sep 09 13:49 |
schestowitz | Absolutely Hilarious! | Sep 09 13:49 |
schestowitz | I remember when I voted for Trump2016 bc I believed his lies. | Sep 09 13:49 |
schestowitz | Lost 5 votes in my household & God willing I will convince them to vote for his biggest competitor bc #RedFlagLaws | Sep 09 13:49 |
schestowitz | " | Sep 09 13:49 |
schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MoreSocialism/status/1171038080008105984 | Sep 09 13:49 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MoreSocialism: @schestowitz What email service do you recommend? Is it possible to do self-hosted? I hear you really can't because… https://t.co/JgGNTN57v3 | Sep 09 13:49 | |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MoreSocialism: @schestowitz What email service do you recommend? Is it possible to do self-hosted? I hear you really can't because… https://t.co/JgGNTN57v3 | Sep 09 13:49 | |
schestowitz | "What email service do you recommend? Is it possible to do self-hosted? I hear you really can't because everyone blocks residential IP addresses. Can you get close to self-hosted?" | Sep 09 13:49 |
schestowitz | I host mine with an Irish firm I trust (the manager knows me) | Sep 09 13:49 |
schestowitz | https://twitter.com/stautistic/status/1171042156976300032 | Sep 09 13:52 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@stautistic: @ClimateHuman @schestowitz When considering that climate change reflects our collective moral corruption and that m… https://t.co/yRnYIddxec | Sep 09 13:52 | |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@stautistic: @ClimateHuman @schestowitz When considering that climate change reflects our collective moral corruption and that m… https://t.co/yRnYIddxec | Sep 09 13:52 | |
schestowitz | When considering that climate change reflects our collective moral corruption and that most adults are beyond reason, I would lobby for philosophy and ethics to be restored back to their rightful place within our education system."" | Sep 09 13:52 |
schestowitz | https://twitter.com/clearmapping/status/1171042517544030208 | Sep 09 13:52 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@clearmapping: @schestowitz @glynmoody And even charge you in cryptocurrency to pay-before-you-poll? | Sep 09 13:52 | |
schestowitz | https://twitter.com/RedOwlDr/status/1171043185172180993 | Sep 09 13:53 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@RedOwlDr: @schestowitz If you strike back against the false gods of capitalist corruption, you elevate yourself spiritually.… https://t.co/2dp5OI6zD8 | Sep 09 13:53 | |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@RedOwlDr: @schestowitz If you strike back against the false gods of capitalist corruption, you elevate yourself spiritually.… https://t.co/2dp5OI6zD8 | Sep 09 13:53 | |
schestowitz | there can be harsh consequences | Sep 09 13:53 |
schestowitz | "If you strike back against the false gods of capitalist corruption, you elevate yourself spiritually. More people should try it." | Sep 09 13:53 |
schestowitz | https://twitter.com/prfnv/status/1171043484675072000 | Sep 09 14:34 |
schestowitz | ""From the early days of $MST, Gates was attacking people for sharing software & calling them thieves. Sharing is not a model that $MST cares about at all — everything they do is to lasso FS back into a context where they can force their anti-features"" | Sep 09 14:34 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@prfnv: "From the early days of $MST, Gates was attacking people for sharing software & calling them thieves. Sharing is no… https://t.co/jP4Juk8yKL | Sep 09 14:35 | |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@prfnv: "From the early days of $MST, Gates was attacking people for sharing software & calling them thieves. Sharing is no… https://t.co/jP4Juk8yKL | Sep 09 14:35 | |
schestowitz | https://twitter.com/BrideOfLinux/status/1171056947874996230 | Sep 09 15:10 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@BrideOfLinux: Anybody have a problem with Stallman educating Microsoft?: Richard Stallman Will Likely Clarify the Role of That Vi… https://t.co/UYpTRXqFEG | Sep 09 15:10 | |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@BrideOfLinux: Anybody have a problem with Stallman educating Microsoft?: Richard Stallman Will Likely Clarify the Role of That Vi… https://t.co/UYpTRXqFEG | Sep 09 15:10 | |
schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jeffreyneillong/status/1171063603174113281 | Sep 09 15:21 |
schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jeffreyneillong/status/1171063603174113281 | Sep 09 15:21 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@jeffreyneillong: @BrideOfLinux @schestowitz @mektronik | Sep 09 15:22 | |
schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxmasterrace/comments/d1i8r7/stallman_appears_to_have_fallen_for_microsofts/ | Sep 09 17:16 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.reddit.com | Stallman appears to have fallen for microsoft's trap : linuxmasterrace | Sep 09 17:16 | |
schestowitz | " | Sep 09 17:16 |
schestowitz | Firefox deems this site unsafe. | Sep 09 17:16 |
schestowitz | Do you have a summary? | Sep 09 17:16 |
schestowitz | level 2 | Sep 09 17:16 |
schestowitz | wasabisauced | Sep 09 17:16 |
schestowitz | Arch (the doctors said its terminal) | Sep 09 17:16 |
schestowitz | 1 point | Sep 09 17:16 |
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schestowitz | 17 hours ago | Sep 09 17:16 |
schestowitz | Very odd, it's a pretty dang credible source that I've been visiting for years | Sep 09 17:16 |
schestowitz | Summary: Microsoft’s reaction to the talk from the founder of Free software (Stallman) seems to suggest that it was seen as a PR opportunity or openwashing stunt; but we still wait for an explanation from Stallman himself | Sep 09 17:16 |
schestowitz | level 2 | Sep 09 17:16 |
schestowitz | Christiphis | Sep 09 17:16 |
schestowitz | 1 point | Sep 09 17:16 |
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schestowitz | 13 hours ago | Sep 09 17:17 |
schestowitz | I didn't get anything saying it was unsafe on Android. | Sep 09 17:17 |
schestowitz | level 1 | Sep 09 17:17 |
schestowitz | Christiphis | Sep 09 17:17 |
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schestowitz | 13 hours ago | Sep 09 17:17 |
schestowitz | Didn't realize he was that old. | Sep 09 17:17 |
schestowitz | level 2 | Sep 09 17:17 |
schestowitz | wasabisauced | Sep 09 17:17 |
schestowitz | Arch (the doctors said its terminal) | Sep 09 17:17 |
schestowitz | -3 points | Sep 09 17:17 |
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schestowitz | seems to be old and very tired, perhaps its time he step down. his rhetoric is old and worn thin by reality and anyone who cares to learn about libre software and the ethics/philosophy behind it is most likely not looking to learn about it from an old fat man, especially since you can find his sentiments in literally every open source piece of software published under the GPL or a GPL variant. | Sep 09 17:17 |
schestowitz | thankfully Linus isnt as old nor as stubborn as mister stallman and has learned from his past snafus and continues to lead the kernel with an iron fist. | Sep 09 17:17 |
schestowitz | edit : this is coming from someone who previously idolized stallman, i even have both books- one of which is signed. as i grew up and got more exposure to the actual world of open source software i began to realize how archaic stallmans sentiments and attitude towards things were. he's become increasingly naive to the various threats posed by predatory companies like microsoft, seemingly going so far as to speak at a microsoft conference ( | Sep 09 17:17 |
schestowitz | which you had to be there to see, there are no videos of it that are public) as if he was going to convince them of something when all he's done is make a fool of him self, and hopefully not given microsoft any more insight into the libre software model. | Sep 09 17:17 |
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