●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Tuesday, November 09, 2021 ●● ● Nov 09 [00:21] *altlink_1e2 has quit (connection closed) [00:21] *altlink_77e (~altlink_77e@2f7u5j6f87p9g.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Nov 09 [01:32] *DaemonFC has quit (connection closed) [01:33] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:33] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:47] *liberty_box (~liberty@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [01:47] *rianne_ (~rianne@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Nov 09 [02:44] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [02:44] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [02:45] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@fujrd6ajavpue.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Nov 09 [03:01] *rianne_ (~rianne@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [03:02] *liberty_box (~liberty@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [03:21] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [03:21] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Nov 09 [05:30] *rianne_ (~rianne@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [05:30] *liberty_box (~liberty@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Nov 09 [06:17] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) ● Nov 09 [07:50] schestowitz >> Yes, that's the general idea. It's becoming easier to maintain and [07:50] schestowitz >> harder to take down/censor. In due course it's also vastly simpler to [07:50] schestowitz >> mirror, which is maybe the next phase. If you want to host a mirror in [07:50] schestowitz >> South America and have a spare/existing machine that can do Gemini (it's [07:50] schestowitz >> SUPER-light), I can deploy everything to it over SSH in a matter of [07:50] schestowitz >> hours. We did this before in Tasmania. It even had its own domain name [07:50] schestowitz >> while it lasted. [07:50] schestowitz > [07:50] schestowitz > Honestly, It's been years since I wanted to offer you a south american [07:50] schestowitz > mirror. Actually, I always wanted to translate Techrights to spanish, [07:50] schestowitz > but I know I'll never be able to keep the pace. It's a shame. [07:50] schestowitz > So, I totally want to do it. But there are catches. [07:50] schestowitz In the past, Edik from Peru (he had moved to the US) did many Spanish translations and used to give paper copies to schools. http://techrights.org/wiki/Espanol [07:50] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Espaol - Techrights [07:50] schestowitz > Right now is not the best of times for me: too much obligations. My work [07:50] schestowitz > is getting heavier by the day, and I'm attending my lasts classes of a [07:50] schestowitz > doctorate course in epistemology after hours. I need time to also read a [07:50] schestowitz > lot, rest, and be with my family, so extra responsability would be a no. [07:50] schestowitz > But once I finish the course, I will have the time and energy. That [07:50] schestowitz > would be about January. [07:50] schestowitz Totally understandable. Remind me when those other projects are bygone. [07:50] schestowitz > Then there's the infrastructure. [07:50] schestowitz > I have a raspi 2 that could be used for gemini, and also a beloved [07:50] schestowitz > netbook I use when I wanna blog out of home; long time without use. They [07:50] schestowitz > could both serve from my house. I could also get some other computer [07:50] schestowitz > actually. [07:50] schestowitz > BUT... my house is a mess, and frankly is hard to figure where to put [07:50] schestowitz > that stuff to work out of dangers. Sounds silly, but thats actually one [07:50] schestowitz > of the reasons I'm NOT yet serving from home everything of mine. That, [07:50] schestowitz > and lack of time. [07:50] schestowitz > [07:50] schestowitz > And then there's instability. My internet is an unstable crap, and [07:50] schestowitz > electrical power is too. I can't guarantee either 24 hours nor 7 days a [07:50] schestowitz > week. That would be useful as backup mirror, but not as a real CDN-like [07:50] schestowitz > mirror. [07:50] schestowitz 24/7 availability is not important. Better yet, in gemini it's considered OK to announce, we're only open from hour1 to hour2. There was a discussion about it some months ago. [07:50] schestowitz > I do have a virtualized centos instance online, where I keep my domain. [07:51] schestowitz > It's "self host", just not "from home". That server is in Miami [07:51] schestowitz > datacenters, as the place I work for have servers there. [07:51] schestowitz > It has 1G ram, and I keep a few websites there: It's quite limited in [07:51] schestowitz > memory, but maybe it's enough as a web mirror. It has already an nginx [07:51] schestowitz > running fine, and sharing a directory over another hostname should be [07:51] schestowitz > nothing. [07:51] schestowitz > But frankly, I fear DOS attacks against that server, because that's [07:51] schestowitz > where I run my mail server, which I use for everything in my life. And [07:51] schestowitz > making that server a techrights mirror is making it a target. [07:51] schestowitz Gemini does not have this issue, at least not yet. [07:51] schestowitz > So, I tell you what: let's talk about this again in a few months, if [07:51] schestowitz > it's ok for you. I'll check out details by that time. [07:51] schestowitz Sounds like a plan. [07:51] schestowitz >> My bad. My mistake. This isn't the first time that my unscripted, [07:51] schestowitz >> unprepared videos end up leading to a misunderstandings. With text I can [07:51] schestowitz >> slow down a bit and rephrase for clarify, but not with video, where I [07:51] schestowitz >> also become conscious of my face being on camera. My last video was so [07:51] schestowitz >> lousy that I forgot to turn on NoiseTorch, which meant there was [07:51] schestowitz >> background sound; heck, you can hear my wife eating with the fork. LOL! [07:51] schestowitz > [07:51] schestowitz > Yeah, video is another beast. [07:51] schestowitz Editing videos is very time-consuming, worse than with text. [07:51] schestowitz > I wanna do video activism. Again: no time, no video activism. But my way [07:51] schestowitz > of doing things is to automate everything I could, so I need less time [07:51] schestowitz > and energy to do more. [07:51] schestowitz > Also, I'm a text person: I'm not some improv artist, know nothing about [07:51] schestowitz > acting, know even less about doing stuff with my voice... I do thinking [07:51] schestowitz > and writing. And software, of course. [07:51] schestowitz > [07:51] schestowitz > So I created a bunch of scripts to create video from text. [07:51] schestowitz > It goes like this: I write a text I wanna share, some script splits it [07:51] schestowitz > by paragraphs and creates a YAML file, and then other scripts works with [07:51] schestowitz > that YAML file. [07:51] schestowitz > Every paragraph becomes a video scene, and each scene has configurable [07:51] schestowitz > properties by YAML syntax. [07:51] schestowitz > Then using other scripts you can tell it "render scene 3", and it [07:51] schestowitz > creates a video fragment for that scene. It automatically creates the [07:51] schestowitz > voiceover with text-to-speech, which gives you also an automatic [07:51] schestowitz > generated duration for each scene, and that way you do experiments. The [07:51] schestowitz > idea is to work scenes by writing and scripting (in the "computer [07:52] schestowitz > programming" meaning, not "movie script"). Text-to-speech is not [07:52] schestowitz > mandatory, and so you can tune your scenes until you're happy with the [07:52] schestowitz > result, and then record a paragraph of voice to use instead of the [07:52] schestowitz > automatically generated. [07:52] schestowitz Scripting is the way to go if you process things consistently. I shared my toolbox in Gemini/Git. It is still improving (yesterday I added a command line option for time to start when creating GIF preview). [07:52] schestowitz > It's in its early steps, but already works well enough. I did my first [07:52] schestowitz > video some months ago, and it looks really well for a novice video [07:52] schestowitz > producer with its own software: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HODGNPMkjjA [07:52] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.youtube.com | Legend of Korra, Attack on Titan, y la Ideologa - YouTube [07:52] schestowitz > Forget about the video: is 30 minutes long, it's in spanish, and it's [07:52] schestowitz > about contact points between a few animes and ideology. The point is [07:52] schestowitz > that it was generated from text, using bash, ffmpeg, and other tools of [07:52] schestowitz > the like. [07:52] schestowitz A lot of GUI programs depend on ffmpeg down below. [07:52] schestowitz > Maybe this could be useful to you too? I think it's still TOO green yet, [07:52] schestowitz > but here it is anyways: https://gitlab.com/Canta/filosofeels_video_engine [07:52] -altlink_77e/#boycottnovell- Cloudflare: gitlab.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://gitlab.com/Canta/filosofeels_video_engine [07:52] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-gitlab.com | Daniel Cantarn / filosofeels_video_engine GitLab [07:52] schestowitz > [07:52] schestowitz > [07:52] schestowitz >> [07:52] schestowitz >> English isn't my best language either; but I use it the most and it is [07:52] schestowitz >> expressive enough. The wife speaks 5 languages. In the home we mix lots [07:52] schestowitz >> of languages. [07:52] schestowitz > [07:52] schestowitz > Thats AMAZING! [07:52] schestowitz > Both things! You not speaking english as first language, and your wife [07:52] schestowitz > speaking five! [07:52] schestowitz > [07:52] schestowitz > My wife's from Chile, so we have fun mixing spanish slangs from both [07:52] schestowitz > countries that actually doesn't work when mixed up. [07:52] schestowitz > And we love to speak a horrible "spanglish", barely understandable even [07:52] schestowitz > by ourselves. [07:52] schestowitz I think this is very common and it becomes a form of oral/verbal encryption. [07:52] schestowitz > When I started reading Techrights, I was studying linguistics. That was [07:52] schestowitz > in a humanities faculty, where they also teach stuff like Philosophy, [07:52] schestowitz > History, Anthropology, and so on. [07:52] schestowitz > So it was weird being kinda the only programmer there. [07:52] schestowitz > But I was the perfect guy for an activist group I got in: fighting [07:52] schestowitz > against intellectual property over books and knowledge. Back in 2008, we [07:52] schestowitz > made an online library with ~10K scanned text free to download, all of [07:52] schestowitz > them required and optional content from the different faculties courses, [07:52] schestowitz > and contacted lots of other organizations while preaching about the role [07:53] schestowitz > of knowledge in society. Before that experience, "linux" was but a [07:53] schestowitz > technical thing to me, that I just looked at because it was suppossed to [07:53] schestowitz > work better than Windows (I already hated Microsoft, but for forcing me [07:53] schestowitz > change my pc and updating crap I didn't wanted to update). But after [07:53] schestowitz > activism, I got in contact with the Free Software world, to never come [07:53] schestowitz > back. And that was the vector that led me to Techrights. [07:53] schestowitz Access to knowledge and GNU are closely connected. Linux is just something that rode the GNU wave 8 years later. [07:53] schestowitz >> [07:53] schestowitz >> Not everyone on Gab is evil, based on what I saw when I quit the site. [07:53] schestowitz >> But the loud majority is what makes Gab... GAB. [07:53] schestowitz > [07:53] schestowitz > No, of course, not everyone is bad there. Neither they are in 4chan. [07:53] schestowitz > Yet, go take a look at that place... [07:53] schestowitz I know little about 4chan. Actually, I know a lot more about it than the average person, but 4chan people know 4chan a lot better than me. [07:53] schestowitz > I was there before the "alt-right" even had a name, it wasn't even a [07:53] schestowitz > concept. The freedom was fun. I kinda also love edgy humour, so a little [07:53] schestowitz > bit of that also made it feel like home. [07:53] schestowitz > Then the limit for what could be said and done was pushed further and [07:53] schestowitz > further away, and always was "just a joke". Every time somebody said [07:53] schestowitz > "this is too much", the answer was "this is freedom of speech, fuck you, [07:53] schestowitz > go to myspace/reddit/tumblr/facebook/twitter you faggot". Rudenes was [07:53] schestowitz > answered with more rudeness, making it the standard behaviour. And one [07:53] schestowitz > day, there where a majority of homophobic misoginist nazis posting just [07:53] schestowitz > horrible stuff all day, there was no other rule than "eat it, faggot", [07:53] schestowitz > and today we're not sure if it's even OK to use a pepe meme outside [07:53] schestowitz > there. And that was before Trump even was a thing. [07:53] schestowitz I only started seeing pepe around 2016. [07:53] schestowitz > It's basically what Thatcher said: "my greatest achievement was Tony [07:53] schestowitz > Blair and New Labour. We forced our opponents to change their minds". [07:53] schestowitz > This awful people keeps on moving everything to the right, until asking [07:53] schestowitz > for basic human decency makes you look like a communist. [07:53] schestowitz > [07:53] schestowitz > It's not about everybody being bad: is about consequences. We just CAN'T [07:53] schestowitz > keep acting like there is no history on the issue. I don't want [07:53] schestowitz > censorship, but I also don't want any of that shit happening again. And [07:53] schestowitz > most times I talk about this online, the answers are either [07:53] schestowitz > grandiloquent arguments about the immesurable value of freedom, or [07:53] schestowitz > conservative catastrophism about how the new generations ruin the world [07:53] schestowitz > and how we need to teach them by censor whatever the one doing the [07:53] schestowitz > talking doesn't like. And this is serious, we need to stop and talk to [07:54] schestowitz > each other and think a lot. Shit like this happened before: Germany was [07:54] schestowitz > probably the most advanced country in the world when the lies and noise [07:54] schestowitz > started to spread around its people. They didn't had the propaganda [07:54] schestowitz > machines we have today, and it was already a disaster beyond words. Now [07:54] schestowitz > it's happening everywhere. [07:54] schestowitz The conditions for it are widespread deperaration. [07:54] schestowitz > And the big difference now is that we are the ones making that [07:54] schestowitz > propaganda machines. We're not reading this in history books, but being [07:54] schestowitz > active part of it. And it's scary man... things going on right now in [07:54] schestowitz > the world regarding software, they're just plain not OK. And I tell you: [07:54] schestowitz > I don't see freedom as the answer. I see freedom being hacked (cracked), [07:54] schestowitz > abused, submitted, and used as a weapon. We need the freedom, alright: [07:54] schestowitz > but malicious agents are turning it against us. [07:54] schestowitz I think this is partly a talking point from the centrist 'left'; I never mistook bigotry for freedom. Better yet, freedom gives us the tools to pwn the shit out of evil people, and public shaming works. [07:54] schestowitz > This extreme right-wing worldwide thing seems to be much more about [07:54] schestowitz > truth rather than about freedom to me. [07:54] schestowitz Some of what they say is true, but lacks in empathy. And they use that to incite and seed discord. [07:54] schestowitz >> To me, these sites became a straw man to autocrats looking to also [07:54] schestowitz >> silence people like me. They like to equate people "too far" on one wing [07:54] schestowitz >> to the other. [07:54] schestowitz > [07:54] schestowitz > They're that, granted. But this things have several mixed functions: [07:54] schestowitz > - An echo chamber. [07:54] schestowitz > - A political compass exploit. [07:54] schestowitz > - A publicity stunt. [07:54] schestowitz > - A discourse centralization machine. [07:54] schestowitz > - A doctrine theater. [07:54] schestowitz > - etc. [07:54] schestowitz > [07:54] schestowitz > [07:54] schestowitz >> Earlier today this was mentioned along the way in [07:54] schestowitz >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQr8eosUU3k [07:54] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.youtube.com | Interview with a Communist - YouTube [07:54] schestowitz > [07:54] schestowitz > Cute video. [07:54] schestowitz > [07:54] schestowitz > Did you know the soviets had planned their own internet, about a decade [07:54] schestowitz > before the western one? [07:54] schestowitz > And not just that: that people embraced cybernetics (as a scientific [07:54] schestowitz > disciplne), and wanted to automate production data transmission creating [07:54] schestowitz > a moneyless economy based on data and real needs. [07:55] schestowitz > Apparently the party didn't liked the idea of distributing their power, [07:55] schestowitz > so it was cancelled. [07:55] schestowitz I didn't know this. I might need to read up on it. [07:55] schestowitz > There's a book about it. I didn't read it yet. But the prologue compares [07:55] schestowitz > both internets development (the soviet and ours), and says this: [07:55] schestowitz > "western internet was well founded by different states and was made in [07:55] schestowitz > collaboration between many scientific organizations, while the soviet [07:55] schestowitz > one was underfunded and had different groups competing each other; it's [07:55] schestowitz > like the capitalists had behave like communists, and communists like [07:55] schestowitz > capitalists". [07:55] schestowitz US military budget is a lot like communism. Tons of money flying around for dubious companies to play with, competition not being necessary. [07:55] schestowitz > Today Internet centralization looks like a Stalin's wet dream, and with [07:55] schestowitz > so many monopolies we actually have centrally planned economy even when [07:55] schestowitz > it doesn't look like it. [07:55] schestowitz They even want to mint their own currency, e.g. Libra. [07:55] schestowitz >> That's near to us (a mile away); I disagree with them, but saw this an [07:55] schestowitz >> hour ago. [07:55] schestowitz >> [07:55] schestowitz >> Notice how openly people can do this; I think in the US some thugs would [07:55] schestowitz >> harass them because of their divisive culture wars. Here? People just [07:55] schestowitz >> walk by. Manchester is very tolerant. Racially, religion... you name it. [07:55] schestowitz >> Sometimes we help disabled people in the street. I think London is [07:55] schestowitz >> equally tolerant. [07:55] schestowitz > [07:55] schestowitz > I concede this. [07:55] schestowitz > I have an idea of England like... I don't know... ships... fog... tea... [07:55] schestowitz > those guys with the long funny hat warding some clock tower or something... [07:55] schestowitz > But also hooligans: normalized violence, like the one I know here when [07:55] schestowitz > it comes to football. And brexit xenophobia. And stuff like that. [07:55] schestowitz > The point being, I have an idea created by what could easily be fairy [07:55] schestowitz > tales: TV, Internet, news, and so on. [07:55] schestowitz > I concede that my fears about violence and bigotry all around the world [07:55] schestowitz > are fueled by the media I consume, and thus needs revision. Your [07:55] schestowitz > description of Manchester is a legit constrast. [07:55] schestowitz If you compare it to other places around the world, we're on average very tolerant. [07:55] schestowitz > However: Trump, Bolsonaro, Macri, Brexit itself, Le Pen losing its place [07:55] schestowitz > to a guy farther to the right, Vox in spain, Salvini and the others in [07:55] schestowitz > Italy, Kast in Chile, Milei in Argentina... I'm losing the count of [07:55] schestowitz > xenophobic, racist, neoliberal groups with quasi-demential leaders [07:55] schestowitz > acting at unison all around the world while honest working people full [07:56] schestowitz > of hate and hopelessness gives them their votes. [07:56] schestowitz These people thrive when the economy is down and people are made to blame "the other" instead of the upper class. The media feeds this... [07:56] schestowitz >> We still have "churches and kings" but they swap names and labels ;-) [07:56] schestowitz > [07:56] schestowitz > Thing is, I don't want Free Software to become a church. I want it with [07:56] schestowitz > a healthy critical thinking ethos. I know it's what we do, but "freedom" [07:56] schestowitz > can not be some silver bullet used while other important issues also [07:56] schestowitz > affect what we do. [07:56] schestowitz > That's what I didn't liked about your critic of the FSC and Trump. [07:56] schestowitz > You're right in what you say, of course: if not "neutral", at least [07:56] schestowitz > enforcement should be "balanced" between parties. I agree. But the Trump [07:56] schestowitz > issue is much more complicated than freedom's neutrality, and that [07:56] schestowitz > should be part of the argument. I say Trump is the one "unbalancing" [07:56] schestowitz > things, not the FSC. And I'm not sure how to deal with that, to be honest. [07:56] schestowitz SFC is by far less problematic than Trump. So we agree on that. [07:56] schestowitz >> For us, in TR, we walk a narrow rope, seeing the attempts to scapegoat [07:56] schestowitz >> and to stigmatise free speech. [07:56] schestowitz >> [07:56] schestowitz >> So far we've managed OK. [07:56] schestowitz >> [07:56] schestowitz >> [07:56] schestowitz > [07:56] schestowitz > Techrights is a lighthouse in the middle of this madness we're living in. [07:56] schestowitz > You know what? I'm starting to regret all of my previous critical [07:56] schestowitz > arguments. Seriously. Maybe Techright shouldn't change a single thing of [07:56] schestowitz > what it does. [07:56] schestowitz All we generally need is more capacity. We don't have budget (my salary is incredibly low) and what we lack most is... time. We can convert time into output. 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[11:08] Techrights-sec I guess so, if you mean the Gemini stats. There's no client information at all [11:08] Techrights-sec there. [11:21] schestowitz-TR New cron job installed for "gemini", -e or -l to see it [11:21] schestowitz-TR scheduled 23:59 ● Nov 09 [12:18] *altlink_77e has quit (connection closed) [12:18] *altlink_4a6 (~altlink_4a6@2f7u5j6f87p9g.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [12:51] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@cqggrmwgu7gji.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Nov 09 [13:10] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [13:29] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@9vib856syp9u2.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [13:30] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [13:44] schestowitz-TR I have changed the cron job to also add a line with date to archives [13:45] schestowitz-TR The files are now listed in the stats pape [13:45] schestowitz-TR I'm not good at awk, so now sure how to make the line of files have better formatting [13:47] schestowitz-TR line 107 in show-new-visitors-count.sh [13:47] schestowitz-TR if you change that file, the output from it will update on live every 10 mins ● Nov 09 [14:59] Techrights-sec ack [14:59] Techrights-sec back in a bit ● Nov 09 [15:21] *activelow (~activelow@98i4n4jazm6nn.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [15:52] Techrights-sec I see the latest 20 requests from [15:52] Techrights-sec show-new-visitors-count.sh sd shows the host names. Maybe that is too invasive [15:52] Techrights-sec and the reqested pages shown instead. That would eliminate encroachment on [15:52] Techrights-sec the visitor's privacy. [15:52] schestowitz-TR that is neither logged nor public, it's about checking who does the floods when they happen [15:54] schestowitz-TR that whole script was started with bortzmeyer(for the most part) was hammering on the capsule, which means it's originally about load/ddos mitigation, the rest of the stuff was added to it later ● Nov 09 [16:35] Techrights-sec why does the script have a sleep on line 132? [16:35] Techrights-sec some tidying up now in Git regarding show-new-visitors-count.sh [16:41] schestowitz-TR looks good. [16:41] schestowitz-TR 1) the sleep was to do with slow download speed and overhead, though it might not proceed anymore until done [16:42] schestowitz-TR 2) the only change that I see in the diff which I don't understand is removal of grep -v 'at' [16:42] schestowitz-TR I think it's something to do with server restart or something, cannot remember.. [16:44] schestowitz-TR the stuff is a lot more readable now and will be easier to maintain. I run this 24/7 in 10-min intervals usually (the wrapped for it is watch-for-heavy-users.sh [16:44] schestowitz-TR *wrapper [16:49] schestowitz-TR are you still working on that file? There are a few new bugs [16:50] Techrights-sec No, I'm done for now. I've closed the editor, I forgot and left it open. ● Nov 09 [17:03] schestowitz-TR OK, I a few things do not show up correctly, but I see that the older implementation was commented out, which should make reverting back easier if we cannot fix the neater reimplementation. Pushed to git, back to news/videos for now [17:16] *Noisytoot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [17:32] *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@jiz967bhsgr6i.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [17:42] Techrights-sec For what it's worth, these are temporarily in stock again: [17:42] Techrights-sec https://thepihut.com/products/ssd-to-usb-3-0-cable-for-raspberry-pi [17:42] -altlink_4a6/#boycottnovell- Cloudflare: thepihut.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://thepihut.com/products/ssd-to-usb-3-0-cable-for-raspberry-pi [17:42] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-thepihut.com | SSD to USB 3.0 Cable for Raspberry Pi The Pi Hut [17:43] schestowitz-TR one would hope supply shortages would harm most pollution (cars) and proprietary stuff (Apple, Microsoft...) [17:45] schestowitz-TR I'm not sure how to read the latest git changes, but it seems like you did the same more elegantly and it worked for everything except the lower part of the admin panel, which was showing a sort of table for dates. If you wun the watch....sh script, you'll see what I mean ● Nov 09 [18:06] schestowitz-TR oh [18:06] schestowitz-TR buffer emptied [18:06] schestowitz-TR What did I miss? [18:06] Techrights-sec yes, hit ctrl-c in wrong window ####################################### [18:06] Techrights-sec nothing yet, I'm still looking at the script. [18:06] Techrights-sec I have tidied up more loose ends and re-run show-new-visitors-count.sh [18:06] Techrights-sec Seems to work. Can you double-check? [18:07] Techrights-sec I notice that the script stops on errors, but is there a way to catch the [18:07] Techrights-sec error messages when it is run automatically? [18:08] schestowitz-TR This thing was very crude originally. Over time, as it turns out to be essential for some other tasks like stats and IRC updates, I think we need to give it some love and care. [18:11] schestowitz-TR with the throttling it'll need more than 6 seconds. The broken part of the part where it displays the "table" in blue. [18:12] Techrights-sec Agreed. However, does wget need to be inside show-new-visitors-count.sh ? [18:23] Techrights-sec Ah. There was an unnecessary redirect. [18:23] Techrights-sec ^redirection [18:23] Techrights-sec The sleep comes between the various activities and has to wait for the one [18:23] Techrights-sec to finish before it starts to sleep so it adds nothing as far as I know. [18:24] schestowitz-TR In the past I think there was serialisation, but it was fast and crude anyway, lots of improvements can be made. Also, I limited what's scanned to 100 or 1000 requests to make it less I/O-intensive, so the number at the top are no longer correct [18:25] schestowitz-TR Now the part in blue shows up again \0/ ... it's how I know things work OK, on another screen that's visible from afar too... the wget output shows if there's an issue updating IRC scrollback [18:26] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@hie8rmei3tnqq.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [18:29] Techrights-sec I've hidden the wget output using --quiet, should it be returned? [18:30] schestowitz-TR maybe we can use a better output time to alert me when it goes wrong... as happens sometimes... maybe something which checks the file is in fact and throws a fit otherwise? [18:33] Techrights-sec It's easy to set it to trigger a notification. What script do you want [18:33] Techrights-sec it to run if wget fails? [18:34] schestowitz-TR maybe we can invoke the lights on the pi, we have scripts for those already ;-) [18:34] Techrights-sec Ok. Any particular pattern? [18:35] schestowitz-TR let me check... I forgot what scripts exist [18:38] schestowitz-TR /home/pi/ping-roy.sh [18:38] Techrights-sec run-blinkt.py is there but has to be run from the pi account because of [18:38] Techrights-sec group memberships for GPIO and such [18:38] Techrights-sec gemini would have to be in the group gpio for it to run the LEDs [18:40] Techrights-sec Ok. I can add that but the gemini account needs to be in the group gpio [18:40] schestowitz-TR gemini is now in group gpio [18:41] schestowitz-TR it might later come in handy for other stuff [18:41] Techrights-sec ok will try it, I have to log out and back in again there ● Nov 09 [19:27] Techrights-sec One last test ... [19:27] Techrights-sec btw ~gemini/bin/ping-roy.sh has some corrections [19:28] schestowitz-TR yes, I noticed some errors/bugs in it [19:38] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [19:39] *activelow has quit (connection closed) [19:42] schestowitz-TR ack. I see the changes now. I'll reopen the watch script now and have it running again... [19:44] Techrights-sec It's now pushed to Git [19:44] schestowitz-TR works well, faster than before too [19:46] *activelow (~activelow@y5uquyi4zkuxy.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [19:47] Techrights-sec :) [19:47] schestowitz-TR when we have more archives stat pages we'll need to somehow cluster them to keep the page short, but that's months away [19:56] Techrights-sec ack ● Nov 09 [20:04] Techrights-sec adding --retry-on-http-error=500,503 [20:04] Techrights-sec A [20:46] *activelow has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [20:49] *activelow (~activelow@f2uucmx8wdxxw.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [20:49] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@ky429tqy7g4by.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Nov 09 [21:43] *psydroid2 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s)