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Techrights-secwhich article is RMS referring to ?Jun 10 08:57
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schestowitzare you OK with the unicode I added to the front page of the capsule? It's not emoji, it's fairly widely supported unicode and I tested with a few clients/browsers. regarding rms, it's about bill gates.Jun 10 11:30
Techrights-secMost of the new symbols added do not render on amfora.Jun 10 11:32
Techrights-secThey show up as the weird squares.Jun 10 11:32
Techrights-secThe small "log" one is interesting though.  Jun 10 11:32
Techrights-secI am curious what the implications are for accessibility are, sayJun 10 11:32
Techrights-secwith a screen reader.  I don't have one set up here.Jun 10 11:32
schestowitzamphora works for me with all those symbols. Which terminal/OS are you on? openbsd?Jun 10 11:33
schestowitz*amforaJun 10 11:33
Techrights-secXFCE4term on UBuntu 21.04Jun 10 11:34
Techrights-sec:(Jun 10 11:34
Techrights-secXFCE4 is nice but Ubuntu is not my first choice.  However, some non-technicalJun 10 11:34
Techrights-secconstraints require it.Jun 10 11:34
schestowitzI use xfce on one of my dual-head laptops and it's used to test some gemini stuff and display tmuxJun 10 11:34
Techrights-secterminus does not like the new unicode additions eitherJun 10 11:36
Techrights-secnor does alacritty, but the squares are tidier Jun 10 11:37
schestowitzTry "XFCE Terminal". It look and behaves best for me.Jun 10 11:37
schestowitzBTW, I was inspired by some high-profile capsules. I had spare time and decided to see how they enrich the experience somewhat. I can still think of further improvements and I pushed a few things (not all) to gitJun 10 11:38
Techrights-secxfce4-terminal is my main terminal these days, it does not render the new charsJun 10 11:39
Techrights-seceitherJun 10 11:39
Techrights-secMaybe it is XFCE4 or Ubuntu itself having the problems?Jun 10 11:39
schestowitzsounds like an OS thingJun 10 11:39
Techrights-secGemini/gemini-main-index-template.shJun 10 12:02
Techrights-secMy guess is that it would be better for screen readers that the unkownJun 10 12:02
Techrights-seccharacters and emojis come after (to the right of) the normal text.Jun 10 12:02
schestowitzinitially I thought the same, but unlike a whole word encoded in unicode these are single chars. Also, I saw others doing the same. Some still do whole words with unicode -- a thing we droppedJun 10 12:03
Techrights-secMaybe when I go back indoors I can try out a RPi and see if it has aJun 10 12:06
Techrights-secbuilt-in screen reader.Jun 10 12:06
Techrights-secIJun 10 12:28
Techrights-secI've got Devuan on one but can swap out the card for a temporary system.Jun 10 12:28
schestowitzwe might want to ask a blind personJun 10 12:28
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Techrights-secProbably the onus is on our part instead to find out what the establishedJun 10 13:02
Techrights-secbest practices are.  This late in the game it is very likely documentedJun 10 13:02
Techrights-secsomewhere.  Jun 10 13:02
schestowitzI am very eager to enhance the capsule by making it easier to navigate. I'm open to ideas of course and next time will ask you before making changed. I was thinking, how about we make the intro at the top a separate page? Also, we can make it closer in line with analogous www pages.Jun 10 13:04
schestowitz(of course seeing growing traffic every month contributes to the motivation to enhance this capsule and invest more time in this)Jun 10 13:05
Techrights-secYes, it is one of the more prominent Gemini capsules and that helps furtherJun 10 13:08
Techrights-secthe reach of the message of software freedom.  Jun 10 13:08
Techrights-secAs for the emojis:Jun 10 13:08
Techrights-sechttps://blog.easterseals.com/emojis-and-accessibility-the-dos-and-donts-of-including-emojis-in-texts-and-emails/Jun 10 13:08
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-blog.easterseals.com | Emojis and Accessibility: The Dos and Don’ts of Including Emojis in Texts and Emails | Easterseals BlogJun 10 13:08
Techrights-sechttps://www.cbc.ca/radio/spark/381-the-bad-design-behind-hawaii-s-missile-scare-internet-freedom-in-iran-and-more-1.4491385/loudJun 10 13:08
Techrights-secly-crying-face-your-cute-emojis-are-spoiling-social-media-for-blind-users-1.4491393Jun 10 13:08
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 404 @ https://www.cbc.ca/radio/spark/381-the-bad-design-behind-hawaii-s-missile-scare-internet-freedom-in-iran-and-more-1.4491385/loud )Jun 10 13:08
schestowitzI intentionally chose NOT emoji UnicodeJun 10 13:08
schestowitzas I can imagine some screen readers can also interpret them and, failing that, they're not critical either, as they have a descriptive text next to themJun 10 13:09
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Techrights-sec"Do put any important information before the emojis so well be more likely to hear them;"Jun 10 13:10
Techrights-secI figure a lot of the same principles apply due to /how/ they are used.  Jun 10 13:10
Techrights-secThe encoding is less important than the role.  The characters are beingJun 10 13:10
Techrights-secused /as/ emojis.Jun 10 13:10
schestowitzI suppose that all those fancy ascii thing at top of capsule is also a no-no then, but I saw many doing just that, along with unicode as fancy 'text'Jun 10 13:11
schestowitzare you ok with me making subpages from the intro at the top?Jun 10 13:13
Techrights-secsure, what kind of subpages?Jun 10 13:15
Techrights-secThe fancy ASCII art has already been removed at popular request, recall Jun 10 13:15
Techrights-secthe updated post acknowledging the correction.Jun 10 13:15
Techrights-sec(can't recall the URL though)Jun 10 13:15
schestowitzFSF award winnerJun 10 13:15
Techrights-secI wonder if ANSII codes are allowed or even supported. :>Jun 10 13:16
schestowitzI think we need to leap "STRAIGHT TO CONTENT" but also give something to click if you are new; no need to show it over and over again to regulars...Jun 10 13:17
Techrights-secAn intro or about.gmi page linked from the main page would be nice.Jun 10 13:17
schestowitzI think I'd like to add that also to the front page of www, which is a single file, which your mobile version of it (3 panes)Jun 10 13:18
schestowitzbut it needs to be written very carefully and thoughtfully as our vision changes a bit over time, focus as wellJun 10 13:18
xyzWTF IS THIS SHIT?Jun 10 13:18
schestowitzinternal commsJun 10 13:19
xyzfor what???Jun 10 13:19
schestowitzabout our gemini capsueJun 10 13:19
schestowitz      <li>Jun 10 13:19
xyzsageJun 10 13:19
schestowitz        <h5><a href="https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/06/09/what-you-do-after-work-shouldnt-cost-you-your-job/">What You Do after Work Shouldn't Cost You Your Job</a></h5>Jun 10 13:19
schestowitz        <blockquote>Jun 10 13:19
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.counterpunch.org | What 12 Years as a Slave Taught Django - CounterPunch.orgJun 10 13:19
schestowitz          <p>I hope she wins. Karening is gross. But it’s not your boss’ business.</p>Jun 10 13:19
schestowitz          <p>Amy Cooper became the object of an Internet two-minutes hate last year when she called 911 on a Black birdwatcher who asked her to leash her dog per the rules and told the police he was threatening her and her dog. Unfortunately for her, the guy’s cellphone video showed no such thing.</p></blockquote></li>Jun 10 13:19
schestowitzoopsJun 10 13:19
schestowitzwrong pasteJun 10 13:19
xyzPASTING 3 OR MORE LINES OF TEXT TO IRC ლ(ಠ_ಠლ)ლ(ಠ_ಠლ)Jun 10 13:19
xyzIS THE PRIMARY CAUSE OF NETSPLITS, CUT  (ノ °益°)ノ 彡 ┻━┻Jun 10 13:19
xyzIT OUT! YOU'RE DESTROYING THIS IRC NET (⋋▂⋌)(⋋▂⋌)Jun 10 13:19
xyzUZE A GODDAMN MUHFUQING PASTEBIN FFS!! ヽ(ಠ_ಠ)ノJun 10 13:19
schestowitzokJun 10 13:20
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schestowitzWhat happened in gemini://gemini.techrights.org/techbytes/index.gmi   ? And why? I cannot figure it out, it's just this page...Jun 10 13:28
schestowitzrerunning main cron fixed that issue, but I wonder how that happened in the first place. First time I see such a crease ironed out by rerun, no change to code.Jun 10 13:41
schestowitzturns out xyz is just a bot https://wiki.znc.in/ZNCJun 10 14:12
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-wiki.znc.in | ZNCJun 10 14:12
schestowitz"You can find us in #znc on Libera.Chat. (New as of May 2021! Our old freenode channel got closed by the new freenode management...)"Jun 10 14:13
schestowitzOh, well... I can see why...Jun 10 14:13
schestowitz"send pull requests on github"Jun 10 14:13
schestowitzMicrosoft proprietary softwareJun 10 14:13
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xyzlol @ schestowitz Jun 10 15:04
MinceRDDoS is more likely to cause netsplits than long pastesJun 10 15:28
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xyzSTFU MinceR You bastard!Jun 10 15:38
MinceRlolJun 10 15:41
xyz:-DJun 10 15:41
schestowitznot sure if troll, bot, or bothJun 10 16:05
schestowitzis "Botroll" a thing?Jun 10 16:05
xyzwe prefer the term trollbotJun 10 17:32
xyzlike killbot, but less violentJun 10 17:33
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Techrights-secwhat was the date stamp on the malformed file?Jun 10 19:18
Techrights-secdo the logs on the RPi have any errors?Jun 10 19:18
Techrights-secthe cron job is just the one script.Jun 10 19:18
Techrights-secthough it does call several sub-scriptsJun 10 19:18
schestowitzI did not check log filesJun 10 19:19
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