●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, October 10, 2022 ●● ● Oct 10 [01:47] *Despatche (~desp@u3xy9z2ifjzci.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 10 [03:04] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [03:04] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 10 [04:34] *Noisytoot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [04:34] *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@tkbibjhmbkvb8.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 10 [06:00] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [06:00] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [06:01] *rianne (~rianne@ngvjyiryrrbba.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [06:01] *liberty_box (~liberty@ngvjyiryrrbba.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 10 [07:14] *starstreak has quit (connection closed) [07:14] *starstreak (~starstreak@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 10 [08:28] schestowitz-TR LOL! Lunduke is back on YouTube.. [08:28] schestowitz-TR I assume he's also back in Twitter, but did not check [08:28] schestowitz-TR Anything he says is not credible. [08:28] schestowitz-TR he posted a new video in YoiuTube just now... [08:28] schestowitz-TR desperate for audience [08:35] Techrights-sec :( [08:35] Techrights-sec Probably. I guess at this point it is necessary to admit that he is completely [08:35] Techrights-sec full of shit and should be 99% - 100% ignored. [08:35] Techrights-sec If he wanted an audience, he should work on some actual relevant content [08:35] Techrights-sec not just blathering and bloviations. They might be amusing once or twice, for [08:35] Techrights-sec some subset of the population, but without any substance there is no reason [08:35] Techrights-sec to even check on what he is doing. Along those lines, some weeks ago I notice [08:35] Techrights-sec that I hadn't even been checking his RSS feed and then moved his feed into [08:36] Techrights-sec a subfolder for defunct feeds. :/ [08:36] Techrights-sec It's been there in that folder since... [08:36] Techrights-sec I wish him well and would prefer that he would refocus on FOSS-related topics [08:36] Techrights-sec once again. [08:36] Techrights-sec But if I want blather I can talk to myself / think outloud just fine on my [08:36] Techrights-sec own without Youtube. [08:37] schestowitz-TR yesterday fossforce was brought up [08:37] schestowitz-TR it used to raise funds and had ken starks on [08:37] schestowitz-TR then it became an anti-FSF bbyfield dump [08:37] schestowitz-TR then some other thins [08:37] schestowitz-TR like "quiz" [08:37] schestowitz-TR that stopped about a month ago [08:37] schestowitz-TR the site's purpose is unknown [08:38] schestowitz-TR then there are some sites I followed for years -- sites that were OK [08:38] schestowitz-TR they started experimenting with SEO spam and spamfarming [08:39] schestowitz-TR really awful [08:39] schestowitz-TR like, what do they think? Longtime readers won't notice? [08:39] schestowitz-TR Then there's spamnil turning muktware/themukky/linuxveda into a junkfarm of proprietary people, "tfir" [08:41] Techrights-sec I've wondered about Ken from time to time, now that he is reaching the [08:41] Techrights-sec end of the trail and cannot participate in anything any more. His programme [08:41] Techrights-sec ReGlue was great [08:41] Techrights-sec Now I wonder what / how FOSSForce and many other sites have been turned so [08:41] Techrights-sec hostile to FOSS and, in particular, Software Freedom and how they have come [08:41] Techrights-sec to thrive on disinformation on many topics. [08:43] schestowitz-TR some years ago phil shapio (son of unicef exec iirc) and roblimo did work with fossforce [08:43] schestowitz-TR that was before bbyfield took over for 1-2 years [08:43] schestowitz-TR to better understand fossforce now see the rms cancel letter, the LF ads in fossforce (diploma mills) [08:43] schestowitz-TR then contrast with older fossforce articles about how LF sucks [08:43] schestowitz-TR what changed the policy? [08:43] schestowitz-TR billg and epstein at mit? [08:43] schestowitz-TR lf donating $100,000,000 to community devs? [08:43] schestowitz-TR rms eating babies? [08:51] schestowitz-TR about to finish my 3rd night shift in a row, will have 3 days off after this [08:56] Techrights-sec ack ● Oct 10 [09:01] Techrights-sec Roblimo died a while back. [09:01] Techrights-sec https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/rip-robin-roblimo-miller [09:01] Techrights-sec The second generation is dying off / retiring. The newer generations have [09:01] Techrights-sec been indoctrinated in anti-FOSS and even anti-OSS attitudes since their [09:01] Techrights-sec earliest days, so there are as a result very, very few skilled people in [09:01] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.linuxjournal.com | RIP Robin "Roblimo" Miller | Linux Journal [09:01] Techrights-sec computing coming in to replace anyone. [09:02] schestowitz-TR some old timers too participated in the coup [09:02] schestowitz-TR so age groups are not the best criterion for pro- or anti- [09:02] schestowitz-TR joe barr died ages ago [09:02] schestowitz-TR i reckon his linux.com articles are gone or lost in a sea of webspam [09:05] Techrights-sec Yes, thus the reference to disinformation further above. [09:05] Techrights-sec Yes, Barr was another important author. There were never any public details of [09:05] Techrights-sec his sudden demise. [09:05] Techrights-sec Some of his articles are still around, but likely buried, as you point out. [09:05] Techrights-sec https://www.linux.com/news/my-first-10-years-linux/ [09:05] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-My first 10 years with Linux - Linux.com [09:05] schestowitz-TR I showed what happens whewn you search linux.com for microsoft [09:05] schestowitz-TR I think the word "shrine" in the the title in case you want to find that [09:06] Techrights-sec That aritcle mentions another publication, Infoworld, which used to cover FOSS [09:07] schestowitz-TR Infoworld editor is a Microsoft boosters since a decade back [09:07] schestowitz-TR Paul [09:09] Techrights-sec Between 1 and 2 decades ago, pretty much all the publications were subsumed or [09:09] Techrights-sec shutdown. Most authors, at least the ones with a clue, were fired as far [09:09] Techrights-sec as I can tell. [09:09] Techrights-sec Back then 2 hours was not even enough to do more than partially cover headlines [09:09] Techrights-sec Now it is enough to cover *all* of them in the last 24 hours plus leave time [09:09] Techrights-sec over to read some of the more promising one in full while skimming many of the [09:09] Techrights-sec rest. [09:11] schestowitz-TR idea: [09:11] schestowitz-TR we did breakdown by sources beforef [09:11] schestowitz-TR for daily links [09:11] schestowitz-TR sort sets by year [09:11] schestowitz-TR for linux news [09:11] schestowitz-TR then analyse % that is blogs [09:11] schestowitz-TR MSM [09:11] schestowitz-TR and others [09:11] schestowitz-TR plot difference [09:11] schestowitz-TR in TM< we used to have many MSM or "tech press" links [09:11] schestowitz-TR now it's mostly blogs [09:11] schestowitz-TR this idea is only theoretical to 'make a point' [09:11] schestowitz-TR no need to work hard to show what many people uintuitivelyt know already [09:13] Techrights-sec It'd have to exclude the automated links. [09:13] Techrights-sec That'd be some effort, tere are over 4k sites: [09:13] Techrights-sec $ grep -c '=>' ./Links/lib/CamelCase.pm [09:13] Techrights-sec 4068 [09:13] Techrights-sec I wonder if it would be appropriate to modify the CamelCase.pm module [09:13] Techrights-sec to include categories for the type of source. Two downsides are that it would [09:13] Techrights-sec bloat the hell out of that file and it would take an enornmous amount of [09:13] Techrights-sec work to set up and then increase the amount of effort to maintain the whole thing [09:13] schestowitz-TR I was actually thinking maybe we should add site name to links in
  • in TM [09:13] schestowitz-TR like we do in TR daily links [09:13] schestowitz-TR it would be better use of time and require no annotation of sites [09:20] Techrights-sec NewsForge was rather good for many years but shut down suddenly, too. [09:20] Techrights-sec Adding site names to links in
  • in TM would take a similar amount of [09:20] Techrights-sec ongong maintenance as happens in TR. The work flow is build the list of links, [09:20] Techrights-sec check the domains against the list of know bad sites, edit & repeat, check [09:20] Techrights-sec the domains against the list of known sites, add missing sites, repeat, [09:20] Techrights-sec fetch the automated links, merge the two files, cull empty nodes, then upload [09:20] schestowitz-TR link diversity or source diversity is a lot smaller in TM [09:20] schestowitz-TR so a few hundreds of domain would cover almost all links [09:20] schestowitz-TR can just be a parser looking for "Next release: 11 October 2022" https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/weeklyprovisionalfiguresondeathsregisteredinenglandandwales/2022 let's see how many died in September 2022 compared to prior Septembers. Don't give us the "but the lockdowns put people down" BS; in 2020 we have lockdowns and in 2022 no lockdowns. Deaths far higher this year. [13:23] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.ons.gov.uk | Deaths registered weekly in England and Wales, provisional - Office for National Statistics [13:24] schestowitz-TR atm I study the death stats, by age and gender [13:24] schestowitz-TR guess what, there are only two tables for gender [13:24] schestowitz-TR until they get death threats at OSN [13:24] schestowitz-TR ONS [13:24] Techrights-sec hmmm [13:24] schestowitz-TR anyway, I am tying to identify patterns [13:24] schestowitz-TR we'll soon get data witrh the effect of the COVID surge [13:24] schestowitz-TR each deathis a tragedy [13:24] schestowitz-TR it's a family mourning [13:24] schestowitz-TR it's hard to play down or hide deaths ● Oct 10 [14:06] schestowitz-TR England and Wales Summertime Deaths in 2020 versus 2022 (Spoiler: About 1,500 More Deaths Registered Per Week in 2022) https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/10/10/covid19-and-summertimes/ [14:06] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive England and Wales Summertime Deaths in 2020 versus 2022 (Spoiler: About 1,500 More Deaths Registered Per Week in 2022) [14:07] schestowitz-TR all data as ODF [14:07] schestowitz-TR and dealing with potential "criticism" upfront [14:08] Techrights-sec ack [14:08] Techrights-sec checking [14:09] schestowitz-TR they don't use a consistent format across years! [14:09] schestowitz-TR It makes comprison by age a HUGE task [14:09] schestowitz-TR it always required some data transformation just to get the weekly numbers [14:09] schestowitz-TR changes in sheets and row/column style [14:09] schestowitz-TR not making research any easier [14:09] schestowitz-TR with this lack of consistency [14:13] schestowitz-TR 3 main possibilities in my mind [14:13] schestowitz-TR 1) war on nhs [14:13] schestowitz-TR 2) bad vaccines (side effects) [14:14] schestowitz-TR 3) long covid and other long-lasting effects after mass infection [14:14] schestowitz-TR you can have a pla with the data [14:14] schestowitz-TR when dealing with HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of live [14:14] schestowitz-TR *livew [14:14] schestowitz-TR you get some rather stitistially-meaningful stuff [14:14] schestowitz-TR *lives [14:14] schestowitz-TR i thought about doing a video about this for my personal blog [14:14] schestowitz-TR but first I want to do some graphs for ages, when time permittis (I cleaned by rss feeds, no FOSS topics to cover yet) [14:14] schestowitz-TR also, I'm off work till thurs night! [14:14] schestowitz-TR do you want to see greaphs for the two years overlaid, with age? [14:14] schestowitz-TR I can do this, I'm OK with stats [14:14] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [14:14] Techrights-sec I'm not so good with statistics. If you have been able to normalize [14:14] Techrights-sec the data then it shows that things have not slowed down at all [14:14] Techrights-sec Yes, some simple graphs would help. What about one where the [14:14] Techrights-sec data for the various years overlap? So one can see directly how similar they [14:14] Techrights-sec are. [14:14] Techrights-sec ? [14:16] schestowitz-TR OK, I'm going to work on age group [14:16] schestowitz-TR hypothesis: the increase in death is not affecting just very old people [14:16] schestowitz-TR gender is not interesting because covid-19 does not 'discriminate' based on genitals [14:17] schestowitz-TR it mostly kill old people, we know that [14:17] schestowitz-TR and some races are more naturally immune than others [14:17] schestowitz-TR but not immune completely [14:17] schestowitz-TR coffee, will thinkw what to plot [14:17] schestowitz-TR 2021 is when most people got shots [14:17] schestowitz-TR but I'm not suggesting it's the sole factor (I mentioned 3 above) [14:18] Techrights-sec It's probably based on other factors than race, though there is going to be [14:18] Techrights-sec huge variation in severity of symptoms from individual to individual anyway [14:18] schestowitz-TR I think nhs did not specify covid-19 deaths by race, or maybe ons did not spscify it, whereas nhs did in 2020 (I recall something) [14:18] schestowitz-TR here, race has a lot to do with class (fiscal) [14:24] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 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[14:26] schestowitz-TR drat [14:26] schestowitz-TR in 2019 even the age ranges were not the same [14:26] schestowitz-TR so you cannot compare like with like [14:26] schestowitz-TR maybe I'll find a way around it [14:26] schestowitz-TR I'll do a "nasty" study that ignored completely old people [14:26] schestowitz-TR and focuses on the younger [14:26] schestowitz-TR as they too were subjected to all the same conditions, human-induced or natural [14:26] Techrights-sec ack [14:28] schestowitz-TR the hierarchy of ad hom: [14:28] schestowitz-TR 1) you are not qualified [14:28] schestowitz-TR 2) ok, you are, but you read the data wrong [14:28] schestowitz-TR 3) the data might be wrong [14:28] schestowitz-TR 4) "you're an idiot" [14:29] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [14:29] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@22agg6qj8dxhg.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [14:47] schestowitz-TR testing the hypothesis with my eyes, before spending a lot of time organising and plotting data [14:47] schestowitz-TR i assume the trends are more or less than the other in other countries [14:47] schestowitz-TR similar policies [14:47] Techrights-sec ack [14:47] schestowitz-TR wow, you can really tell people stopped having babies in 2020 [14:47] schestowitz-TR deahts for age <1 [14:47] schestowitz-TR 2019: 1807 [14:48] schestowitz-TR 2022: 1694 [14:48] schestowitz-TR so let's ignore very young babies too [14:48] schestowitz-TR and focus on the middle band [14:48] schestowitz-TR mortality at 1-14 the same (2019 and 2022), one apart: [14:48] schestowitz-TR 686 in 2022 [14:48] schestowitz-TR 687 in 2019 [14:48] schestowitz-TR that's usually the age where the kids didn't get covid-19 vaccines [14:48] schestowitz-TR looking up now [14:58] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [14:58] schestowitz-TR ages 15-44: [14:59] schestowitz-TR 2019 10404 [14:59] schestowitz-TR oh. [14:59] schestowitz-TR 2022 11384 [14:59] schestowitz-TR that's a surplus of about 9% [14:59] schestowitz-TR 45s to 64s [14:59] schestowitz-TR 2019 49296 [14:59] schestowitz-TR 2022 49424 [14:59] schestowitz-TR the aboove is a typo [14:59] schestowitz-TR 2019 is 45296 [14:59] schestowitz-TR surpluss of about 9% again [14:59] schestowitz-TR and I am being GENEROUS in FAVOUR of 2022 [14:59] schestowitz-TR because I round up the week to make 2022 look smaller [14:59] schestowitz-TR if not, it would be about 10% [14:59] schestowitz-TR so pre-covid-19 we had a lot fewer deaths in vaccinated ages groups [14:59] schestowitz-TR deaths are about 10% higher after 2021 [14:59] schestowitz-TR and they say those deaths are barely due to covid ● Oct 10 [15:00] schestowitz-TR if the deaths are not due to covid, then something else is killing like 10% more working age adults [15:00] Techrights-sec ack [15:04] Techrights-sec Perhaps smartphone addiction (sedentaary lifestyle) or ennui due to mental [15:04] Techrights-sec health problems induced by smartphone addiction? :P [15:04] Techrights-sec It takes a few years for a healthy individual to degenerate physically [15:04] Techrights-sec through inactivity. I see "phone zombies" each time I go out shopping. [15:05] schestowitz-TR "Smart" phones were already very prevalent in 2019 [15:05] schestowitz-TR but there could be a cumulative effect [15:05] schestowitz-TR taking its toll like a phanton [15:05] schestowitz-TR phone zombies tend to be the same indoors, albeit less visible [15:05] schestowitz-TR and it is not (or no longer) limited to kids [15:05] schestowitz-TR now we have computer users in kitchens, toilet seats, under a blanket... [15:05] Techrights-sec I would presume the are the same indoors. It would be important to know [15:05] Techrights-sec how many contact hours per day the victims waste interacting solely with [15:05] Techrights-sec their smartphone "apps" and disservices. [15:05] Techrights-sec Many partents use such devices, and tablet computers, as pacifiers. [15:05] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [15:08] schestowitz-TR rianne's newphew and mine are like that [15:08] schestowitz-TR but it's more complicate [15:08] schestowitz-TR with cards (to pay) [15:08] schestowitz-TR and addictive games [15:08] schestowitz-TR and them demanding (with ultimatum) access to things [15:08] schestowitz-TR the patents don't offer it to them, they just surrender to it [15:08] schestowitz-TR the DT video showed how pupils blackmails schools and teachers [15:08] schestowitz-TR *blackmail [15:08] Techrights-sec https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/police-concerned-100mph-snapchat-challenge-25201014 [15:08] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 403 @ https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/police-concerned-100mph-snapchat-challenge-25201014 ) [15:09] schestowitz-TR the cops can use the company to arrest a whole load of reckless idiots [15:09] schestowitz-TR harvesting their IDs [15:10] schestowitz-TR Horrible Injury at TwitchCon https://yewtu.be/watch?v=iIkfc2s0SqY Twitchcon Should Be Sued.. https://yewtu.be/watch?v=wS2h0lNqYzs [15:10] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-yewtu.be | Horrible Injury at TwitchCon - Invidious [15:10] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-yewtu.be | Twitchcon Should Be Sued... - Invidious [15:11] schestowitz-TR hole your wee to win a wii [15:11] schestowitz-TR remember? *hold [15:11] Techrights-sec If they don't kill any innocent bystanders. [15:12] schestowitz-TR snapshot had LOADS of layoffs recently [15:12] schestowitz-TR **chat [15:18] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [15:24] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [15:28] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [15:39] schestowitz-TR ONS Data: Working Age Adults See 10% Rise in Mortality Between 2019 (Pre-COVID-19, January-September) and 2022 (Year to Present) https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/10/10/ons-data-working-age-adults/ [15:39] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive ONS Data: Working Age Adults See 10% Rise in Mortality Between 2019 (Pre-COVID-19, January-September) and 2022 (Year to Present) [15:40] Techrights-sec Yes, among other similar layoffs [15:40] Techrights-sec ack [15:40] schestowitz-TR when I get more recent data (9 complete months) I will do charts etc. [15:40] schestowitz-TR I've saved me working ODF locally for later use ● Oct 10 [16:16] schestowitz-TR rianne out to ship parcel and buy food [16:16] schestowitz-TR I've just done a 26 min video on the ONS data [16:49] *starstreak (~starstreak@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 10 [17:01] Techrights-sec ack [17:01] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell ● Oct 10 [18:03] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 10 [19:58] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [19:59] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 10 [20:05] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@pg22z8ea8nzde.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [20:26] *Noisytoot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [20:32] *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@tkbibjhmbkvb8.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [20:56] *Despatche has quit (Quit: Read error: Connection reset by deer) ● Oct 10 [21:25] *Noisytoot has quit (Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in) [21:25] schestowitz-TR How Social Control Media Blocked, Suppressed, and Defamed Medical Journals That Issued Legitimate Warnings https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/10/10/social-control-media-vs-medical-journals/ [21:25] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive How Social Control Media Blocked, Suppressed, and Defamed Medical Journals That Issued Legitimate Warnings [21:26] *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@tkbibjhmbkvb8.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [21:33] *Noisytoot has quit (Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in) [21:34] *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@tkbibjhmbkvb8.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [21:42] *Noisytoot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [21:42] *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@tkbibjhmbkvb8.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 10 [23:39] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.14 [SeaMonkey 2.53.14/20221003001100]) [23:59] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@j5ewvgmqr9anu.irc) has joined #boycottnovell