●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, April 11, 2022 ●● ● Apr 11 [00:49] schestowitz-TR apache not responding [00:49] schestowitz-TR restarting... ● Apr 11 [01:54] schestowitz-TR added tc also to video (latest) page [01:54] schestowitz-TR made complete backup of tuxmachines /var/www to the new laptop ● Apr 11 [02:47] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [02:47] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [02:54] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@v6xmmrhxmbafc.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [02:54] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@joseon-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell ● Apr 11 [05:06] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) ● Apr 11 [06:47] *Despatche has quit (Quit: Read error: Connection reset by deer) ● Apr 11 [09:00] *schestowitz-TR has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [09:01] *schestowitz-TR2 (~acer-box@freenode/user/schestowitz) has joined #boycottnovell ● Apr 11 [10:08] schestowitz-TR I lost everything you said after gm [10:10] schestowitz-TR Did you say anything after gm? [10:10] schestowitz-TR I did not read that, so it was cleared before I could see it [10:10] Techrights-sec / home/boycottn/bin/get_dbs.sh ? [10:10] Techrights-sec /home/boycottn/bin/fetch-tm-dump.sh ? [10:10] Techrights-sec Just that there are some scripts which use myqldump [10:10] Techrights-sec just about mysqldump and then the above paths [10:13] schestowitz-TR ah, ok [10:13] schestowitz-TR hand on... [10:13] schestowitz-TR *hang on [10:22] schestowitz-TR it looks like we last ran it last April [10:22] schestowitz-TR I will give it a go now [10:22] schestowitz-TR just checked the script one by line [10:22] schestowitz-TR it ran OK, it moved too fast for me to catch any repairs [10:22] schestowitz-TR but looking at the log it looks like about once a month [10:22] schestowitz-TR there is a bit of a struggle with sort ####################################### [10:22] schestowitz-TR maybe that can explain why the DB deflates a bit Ytalk Error # [10:22] schestowitz-TR and, in this case, does not register every visit [10:22] schestowitz-TR either way, the core bits are intact [10:22] schestowitz-TR I spent a lot of time yesterday [10:22] schestowitz-TR checking tons of things in case this was a symptom of a real issue [10:22] schestowitz-TR I will keep an eye now on hit counters to see if they're back to how they used to be. [10:22] Techrights-sec ack [10:24] schestowitz-TR ftr, as I was saying earlier, it all started when I saw unusually slow number of views [10:24] schestowitz-TR apachelog made no sense, or rather apache top [10:24] schestowitz-TR as everything looked normal [10:24] schestowitz-TR I suspected it was likely some locked up table [10:24] schestowitz-TR but waited to see the db dump at 5:13am for its side, so went to sleep [10:24] schestowitz-TR checked to ensure manstodon and stuff all worked OK [10:24] schestowitz-TR it would be a shame to lose so much data [10:46] Techrights-sec what is the URL for the counts in question? [10:46] schestowitz-TR the counts are still shown incorrectly [10:46] schestowitz-TR I will try flushing out the cache in Drupal [10:46] schestowitz-TR all pages newer than about 16 hours are affected [10:50] schestowitz-TR tbh, lAST NIGHT i WENT (MENTALLY) through all sorts of explanation [10:50] schestowitz-TR also technically checked some [10:50] schestowitz-TR I could not prove that anyone was unable to access [10:50] schestowitz-TR so in a sense 'fixing' this is sort of moot [10:50] schestowitz-TR but the worry was, maybe a sympton [10:50] schestowitz-TR maybe we can just forget about it, knowing the DB is in OK shape [10:50] schestowitz-TR there are all sorts of benign explanations I can come up with [10:50] Techrights-sec ack [10:50] Techrights-sec did clearing the cache help? [10:50] schestowitz-TR I dont' regret double checking [10:50] schestowitz-TR I wopuld have regretted not doing so if later, down the line, [10:50] schestowitz-TR something happened [10:50] schestowitz-TR there are almost 170k nodes for 18 years [10:51] schestowitz-TR I have not tried yet [10:52] schestowitz-TR but it seems to be catching up now [10:52] schestowitz-TR there is a time diff between request and drupal db table updating [10:52] schestowitz-TR for example tuxmachines.org/node/163592 [10:52] schestowitz-TR with www. [10:56] Techrights-sec thanks [10:59] schestowitz-TR ok, in tmax now [10:59] schestowitz-TR see what happened around 11am yesterday [10:59] Techrights-sec ok [10:59] Techrights-sec [ERROR] /usr/libexec/mysqld: Sort aborted ● Apr 11 [11:00] schestowitz-TR we got those before [11:00] schestowitz-TR but then innodb had a shutdown [11:02] Techrights-sec also a "Warning" message too [11:02] Techrights-sec happens a lot there [11:05] schestowitz-TR maybe that can happen about once a month but without me noticing [11:05] schestowitz-TR and maybe I make a big deal out of something that [11:05] schestowitz-TR is a longstanding weakness [11:05] schestowitz-TR 11am is not even close to the time I did rsync iirc [11:05] schestowitz-TR but rsync does not go near the DB anyway [11:05] schestowitz-TR so I thought this could only be a coincidence [11:05] schestowitz-TR either way, running db checks once a month would have [11:05] schestowitz-TR been good practice, which you did suggest in the past [11:05] schestowitz-TR and general housekeeping for other stuff [11:05] schestowitz-TR because we rarely study what really happens silently at [11:05] schestowitz-TR the back end [11:05] Techrights-sec rsync only affects the filesystem load [11:05] Techrights-sec and maybe a tiny amount of CPU [11:16] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [11:24] Techrights-sec $ ssh boycottn@tuxmachines.org [11:24] Techrights-sec Unable to negotiate with 23.161.112.115 port 22: no matching host key type found. Their offer: ssh-rsa,ssh-dss [11:24] Techrights-sec that's a less good error involving fully deprecated, insecure algorithms without [11:24] Techrights-sec viable alternatives. An upgrade is long overdue since that change was planned [11:24] Techrights-sec and announced a very long time ago. Can sshd be pulled in from backports? [11:24] schestowitz-TR one option is turn off ssh and go through the hypervisor, which is alpine [11:24] schestowitz-TR but that would interfere with DB backups [11:27] Techrights-sec That's more of a work-around than a real solution. [11:27] Techrights-sec The backups need SSH [11:44] schestowitz-TR easter coming up [11:44] schestowitz-TR I will try to find a good moment to ask kaniini (working [11:44] schestowitz-TR full time) for a new OS on which to build TM [11:44] schestowitz-TR re TM, [11:44] schestowitz-TR I lost a ton of time but have no regrets [11:44] schestowitz-TR because so much time was poured into that database [11:44] schestowitz-TR and I'd rather spend a day posting nothing [11:44] schestowitz-TR just to be sure data is presevred OK [11:44] schestowitz-TR from what I can gather, this is just optics (looks [11:44] schestowitz-TR like low view count) but nothing worth messing about with [11:44] schestowitz-TR and it seems related to innodb, as that started around then [11:44] schestowitz-TR not the first time it happens based on mysql logs [11:44] Techrights-sec Yes, prevention is important. At the risk of nagging, what is the timeline [11:44] Techrights-sec for the OS upgrade? [11:46] schestowitz-TR this week or weekend I will ask kaniini [11:46] schestowitz-TR spinning off a new OS should not be too hard, then we can copy across 'www' [11:46] schestowitz-TR and adding missing packages etc. [11:46] schestowitz-TR the thing that might be a pain is expectation of old DB version [11:46] schestowitz-TR but it's a test machine, so no downtime [11:46] Techrights-sec Thanks! [11:46] Techrights-sec Thursday - Monday are holidays in various places. [11:47] Techrights-sec yes, I was just discussing this with rianne [11:47] Techrights-sec btw, tuxmachines implies tux/linux, so no bsd for OS [11:47] schestowitz-TR yes, I was just discussing this with rianne [11:47] schestowitz-TR btw, tuxmachines implies tux/linux, so no bsd for OS [11:47] Techrights-sec :P [11:48] Techrights-sec not even GNU/kFreeBSD ? [11:49] schestowitz-TR from what I remember it is no longer maintained [11:49] schestowitz-TR figosdev says that devuan quality declined [11:49] schestowitz-TR debian has a hurd version now [11:50] Techrights-sec Too bad, it was an interesting experiment which probably helped the GNU pacakges [11:50] Techrights-sec become more robust. OpenBSD benefits from supporting different hardware [11:50] Techrights-sec architectures, so I figure the effects would be somewhat similar. [11:50] Techrights-sec Hurd is getting closer but I don't think anyone is waiting for it or expecting [11:50] Techrights-sec it any time soon. [11:53] schestowitz-TR btw, re Daily Links [11:53] schestowitz-TR at the moment you have commened out the "line" for IRC posting [11:54] schestowitz-TR Last week I made some changes to speed up posting to IRC [11:54] schestowitz-TR but [11:54] schestowitz-TR I guess that's because you do not run interleave before uploading [11:54] schestowitz-TR as that would add the tags [11:54] schestowitz-TR and I realised a simple solution is, [11:54] schestowitz-TR you comment out the tag part at your end [11:54] schestowitz-TR and I comment out the "line" part [11:54] schestowitz-TR oh,ok! I can sort it out fully at my end [11:54] schestowitz-TR by passing it throught interleave when I retreieve it [11:54] schestowitz-TR then again before posting/finalising [11:54] schestowitz-TR leave iut at my end, I'll work on that now [11:54] Techrights-sec yes [11:54] Techrights-sec right, it would have to be run on your end or else be made much more complex [11:54] Techrights-sec It'd probably help to be able to move most of the processing up to the TR server [11:54] Techrights-sec yes [11:54] Techrights-sec though two runs of interleave should be unnecessary ● Apr 11 [12:00] schestowitz-TR there was a severe storm here last week [12:00] schestowitz-TR we had lots of work to do outside [12:00] schestowitz-TR I am posting your links in TMK now [12:00] schestowitz-TR will then work on the Daily Links flow and test that [12:00] schestowitz-TR I will have to do TONS of patent catchup over Easter [12:00] schestowitz-TR hopefully migration for TM also [12:01] Techrights-sec I hope for migration. If there is any way to help or prepare, let me know. [12:05] schestowitz-TR thanks, you can now see your links at top of TM [12:05] schestowitz-TR the stats are vanity anyway [12:05] schestowitz-TR I cannot see evidence of any real harm to data [12:05] schestowitz-TR so I shall leave it alone [12:05] schestowitz-TR there is a mismatch between apacghe and drupal counts [12:05] schestowitz-TR also, of course none of this counts views via front page, RSS feed etc. [12:05] schestowitz-TR so it's a case of assuring myself the DB was in a good state [12:05] schestowitz-TR first with the backup [12:05] schestowitz-TR then scanning it [12:05] schestowitz-TR OS migration can ameliorate many things [12:05] schestowitz-TR but it would also be a pain in transitiob [12:05] Techrights-sec ack [12:05] Techrights-sec yes [12:57] *psydroid2 has quit (connection closed) ● Apr 11 [13:00] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [13:29] schestowitz-TR i am learning some perl along the way [13:29] schestowitz-TR but I got stuck [13:29] schestowitz-TR I am trying to push the "irc line" before
  • [13:29] schestowitz-TR I tried loads of things [13:29] schestowitz-TR if I add that version of the file to git, can you hack on it? [13:29] schestowitz-TR i think it's a one-liner 'fix [13:29] schestowitz-TR ' [13:29] Techrights-sec sure which file which line number? [13:30] schestowitz git log --follow -p -- links-interleave-social-control-media.pl [13:30] schestowitz I looked for hints in the old way social control media line was done [13:30] schestowitz with it preceding the
  • [13:30] schestowitz to no avail [13:32] Techrights-sec sure, which script and which line number [13:33] schestowitz-TR I've just added my little derivative [13:33] schestowitz-TR it's already strung onto the file which fetches and then pre-processes daily links [13:34] schestowitz-TR I tried loads of things to make the line go ahead of/before the
  • [13:36] Techrights-sec cat -n ... [13:36] Techrights-sec ack [13:36] schestowitz-TR add-lines-for-irc.pl [13:36] schestowitz-TR if you run it against any daily links batch [13:36] schestowitz-TR you will see the oder [13:36] schestowitz-TR *order [13:37] Techrights-sec it's not in Git though. [13:37] Techrights-sec where can it be found? [13:38] schestowitz-TR there was a conflict i [13:38] schestowitz-TR but I think it's there now under Links [13:38] schestowitz-TR add* [13:41] schestowitz-TR solved: the finalise [sic] stage [13:41] schestowitz-TR just pushed timeline.sh [13:41] schestowitz-TR the addition of lines is in the order order, so I tried in vain to fix that [13:41] Techrights-sec The way the old tags were done for social control media start at line 102 [13:41] Techrights-sec in that script [13:43] schestowitz-TR I looked at change history to find how it was done before ( NEWS part before
  • ) [13:43] schestowitz-TR but I suck at this aspect of perl [13:43] schestowitz-TR or at perl in general [13:48] Techrights-sec It's mainly XPath work though. That is why it is so important that the [13:48] Techrights-sec files always validate. [13:48] Techrights-sec $sc = HTML::Element->new('~literal', [13:48] Techrights-sec 'text'=>""); [13:48] Techrights-sec $anchor->preinsert($sc); [13:48] Techrights-sec what was intended there? If the literal "" is empty the two lines can be removed [13:48] Techrights-sec (line 111) [13:49] schestowitz-TR yes, that was just me empyting the tag bit [13:49] schestowitz-TR it remained in the other file, I didn't mean for this to even go to git, [13:49] schestowitz-TR I just wanted a little derivative for irc line but no tag added [13:50] schestowitz
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    [13:50] Techrights-sec The loops are not necessarily reqired but mirrror the nested nature of the [13:50] Techrights-sec HTML elements they affect. [13:50] Techrights-sec Ah, ok. [13:50] Techrights-sec Can you paste a sample output? [13:55] Techrights-sec ok try what's in Git now [13:56] Techrights-sec Indenting can be added, too, if needed. [13:57] schestowitz

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    [13:57] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Pygments style gallery | dt.iki.fi [13:57] schestowitz-TR thanks! Trying...20~ ● Apr 11 [14:00] schestowitz-TR still the order wherein it's sandwiched [14:00] schestowitz-TR Indenting was only an issue when I used diaspora [14:00] schestowitz-TR because there, tabs and spaces were interpreted specially [14:00] schestowitz-TR yes, what I struggled with was the order [14:00] Techrights-sec do you want the comment before the LI element? [14:00] Techrights-sec [14:00] Techrights-sec
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    But Bitcoin was never about anonymity anyway https://www.wired.com/story/tracers-in-the-dark-welcome-to-video-crypto-anonymity-myth/ so now Conde Nast (Wall Street) associated this with assault on children? Even though it's not about privacy at all? [15:57] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Inside the Bitcoin Bust That Took Down the Webs Biggest Child Abuse Site | WIRED [15:57] schestowitz-TR Schneier links to tons of Conde Nast lately [15:57] schestowitz-TR even outright lies [15:58] schestowitz-TR Big Banks and Apple and the UK gov. uses the same strategy [15:58] schestowitz-TR I don't have to be a bitcoin fan to call BS [15:59] schestowitz-TR as if pedos don't pay with cash or even card or even standing order [15:59] schestowitz-TR that's like Microsoft pretending security is a "open source" issue ● Apr 11 [16:00] Techrights-sec I was just looking at his blog and also was disappointed. Hes still at the EFF [16:00] Techrights-sec and should have had a more positive influence than he has had. [16:00] Techrights-sec he seems to just shill for the most part in recent years [16:00] Techrights-sec the governement via lobbyists and proxies, has started playing along with M$ and [16:00] Techrights-sec come down on the Java library's users but have left M$ deployments uncriticized [16:00] schestowitz-TR he also links a lot to FDBI, USDOJ etc. [16:00] schestowitz-TR even the whole RUSHA thing [16:00] schestowitz-TR If I wanted that, I know wqhere ti look [16:00] Techrights-sec ack [16:04] schestowitz-TR well such if life [16:04] schestowitz-TR you try to do the right thing [16:04] schestowitz-TR it does not pay well [16:04] schestowitz-TR not as much as being a bastard anyway [16:04] schestowitz-TR I guess this is universally and perpetually valid/applicable [16:04] schestowitz-TR meanwhile, Michel wrote some posts about this [16:04] schestowitz-TR like the Microsoft-centric "ransomware" task force [16:04] schestowitz-TR and how it was composed [16:04] Techrights-sec probably [16:04] Techrights-sec it should be composed of teams of people with drives for /data/ backup and USB [16:04] Techrights-sec sticks containing Linux Mint installation images. [16:12] schestowitz-TR LMDE (latest) is quite nice [16:12] schestowitz-TR going to make a teapot [16:12] schestowitz-TR catching up with rss today [16:12] schestowitz-TR we got lolts done [16:12] schestowitz-TR even if mostly code and lots of testingh [16:12] Techrights-sec yes [16:12] Techrights-sec I'm not sure how many 1000 RSS feeds are in QuiteRSS here. [16:12] schestowitz-TR which was well oversue and weill pay dividends [16:17] schestowitz-TR as time goes by, to get x new items [16:17] schestowitz-TR you need yx2 or yx3 feeds [16:17] schestowitz-TR not sure how to count planets [16:17] schestowitz-TR as I keep saying, planets are dangerous [16:17] schestowitz-TR they are censorship mechanisms [16:17] schestowitz-TR like social control media [16:17] schestowitz-TR best to also avoid mitm like feedburner [16:17] schestowitz-TR for reasons [16:17] schestowitz-TR that became apparent thisd year [16:17] schestowitz-TR people assume they follow you because "you are in the planewt" [16:17] schestowitz-TR but that's like thinking the same because "follow you in twitteer" [16:17] schestowitz-TR twitter is worse because it doesn't even pretend to be neutral anymore [16:17] schestowitz-TR it's curated [16:17] schestowitz-TR same for gulagtube [16:17] schestowitz-TR which changed its reminder emails like a decade ago [16:17] schestowitz-TR so it gets deto decide ahat you 'need' to watch [16:17] schestowitz-TR not what you asked for [16:18] Techrights-sec yes it has been like that [16:18] Techrights-sec I don't track any planets for that reason, they are a total waste of time [16:18] Techrights-sec BBBBBBBBB [16:18] Techrights-sec politicians mistakenly seem to think that they can use social control media [16:18] Techrights-sec when it is the other way around and they actually end up losing [16:20] schestowitz-TR bat and switch [16:20] schestowitz-TR you are not gulag [16:21] schestowitz-TR you are not the admin of the plenet [16:21] schestowitz-TR heck, the planet can be taken down [16:21] schestowitz-TR for someone else's reasons [16:21] schestowitz-TR plenet is like a web-based rss reader you merely subscriibe to] [16:21] schestowitz-TR and so it sort of defeats the purpose or raison detre of the protpcols [16:21] schestowitz-TR it's likle saying, I'll subscribe only to CNN [16:21] schestowitz-TR where the "Planet CNN" is just the list of CNN members of stuff [16:21] schestowitz-TR while CCNN still employs them [16:21] schestowitz-TR that's what planets ghenerally are [16:21] schestowitz-TR sans the salary [16:21] Techrights-sec yes, the planets end up usually being a misuse of the protocol, at least [16:21] Techrights-sec going against the original purpose of having a distributed, decentralized [16:21] Techrights-sec service. [16:24] schestowitz-TR you know, the most bizarre thing is,. [16:24] schestowitz-TR nobody else that I know of even speaks about it [16:24] schestowitz-TR same for video hosting [16:24] schestowitz-TR they say move from platform A to B [16:24] schestowitz-TR or gmail to... [16:24] schestowitz-TR but they seem to be missing the point [16:24] schestowitz-TR don't get me started on mastodon lol! [16:24] schestowitz-TR I lost 3 accounts [16:24] schestowitz-TR tuxmachines lost 1, has one left [16:24] schestowitz-TR since it started in 2017 [16:24] schestowitz-TR so 80% are dead in 5 years [16:27] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [16:27] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [16:29] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@joseon-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [16:29] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@v6xmmrhxmbafc.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [16:34] Techrights-sec ack [16:34] Techrights-sec high attrition rate [16:34] Techrights-sec Digg sucked, they censors ODF material from the start [16:34] schestowitz-TR take my word for it [16:34] schestowitz-TR I startted with Digg [16:34] schestowitz-TR while also on usenet [16:35] schestowitz-TR on the prawl [16:35] schestowitz-TR this whole phenomenon [16:35] schestowitz-TR Reddit included(coexisted with Digg) [16:35] schestowitz-TR is mostly propped up by a false, faked perception iof traffic [16:35] schestowitz-TR they optimise for this delusion [16:35] schestowitz-TR likle wall street with its valuation bubbles [16:35] schestowitz-TR many instances die because their admis (like drew devault 2 years ago, then [16:35] schestowitz-TR distro.toot) see that it's a waste of their time [16:36] Techrights-sec Reddit is a scam perpetrated by Conde Nast [16:36] Techrights-sec It is for marketing and mass manipulation of opinion regarding ICT [16:36] Techrights-sec When /. took a big downturn as aftermath of sale to scum, Reddit lied their [16:36] Techrights-sec way forth to a user base. Now they just delete and shadowban their way towards [16:37] Techrights-sec the M$ agenda. Nothing good can be said about Reddit [16:37] schestowitz-TR we had a long irc discussion aboout redditr this past weekend [16:37] Techrights-sec what was the conclusion there? [16:38] schestowitz-TR there were several, but it's 'turfed basically [16:38] schestowitz-TR and those who call out thwe BS get vanished [16:38] schestowitz-TR and gaslit [16:38] Techrights-sec yep [16:42] schestowitz-TR DT has a love/hate relationship with lesser alts [16:42] schestowitz-TR same as lunduke [16:42] schestowitz-TR "hey I'm moving to gemini, this is great" [16:42] schestowitz-TR "hey let's do mastodon, self-hosted" [16:42] schestowitz-TR "hey, let's leave youtube" [16:42] schestowitz-TR but they later come back where they came [16:42] schestowitz-TR and each time with less impact than before [16:42] schestowitz-TR and the principles are severely compromised [16:42] schestowitz-TR reinforcing this idea that you cannot truly quit [16:42] schestowitz-TR lunduke ended up being canceled mainly in twitter afaik [16:42] schestowitz-TR he should have stayed away the first time around [16:42] schestowitz-TR it's some dumb think he said after getting infected [16:42] Techrights-sec I only listen to about half of his videos [16:42] Techrights-sec Lunduke has vanished from the net. [16:42] Techrights-sec Dt is not 100% reliable [16:42] Techrights-sec yes he kept trying to come back to twitter, I suspect addiction [16:42] Techrights-sec I wonder how many IQ points the virus took out of him. [16:46] schestowitz-TR ^_^ [16:46] schestowitz-TR Lunduke said he needed to come back to Twitter after his Jan 1 2020 resolutioln [16:46] schestowitz-TR for COVID UPDATE!!! [16:46] schestowitz-TR Yes, nothing except Twitter disseminates information about COVID!! [16:46] schestowitz-TR ^_^ [16:46] schestowitz-TR "I neweed twitter back!!@ FOR MY SAFEWTY!!" [16:46] schestowitz-TR (and my family's) [16:46] schestowitz-TR you and I talked back thenm how dumb the (non)logic of that was [16:46] schestowitz-TR her's like my boss lying to clients all the time [16:46] schestowitz-TR tro save face [16:46] schestowitz-TR I want to jump in and tell him [16:46] schestowitz-TR "come on, just be honest to them" [16:46] schestowitz-TR but... they're not THOSE kidnds of peopople [16:46] schestowitz-TR management seems to be 90% bullishit [16:46] schestowitz-TR 10% substance [16:46] schestowitz-TR anmd this is what you can be promoted for [16:46] schestowitz-TR because the people deciding youir promotion are 99% bullshit [16:47] schestowitz-TR 1% subnstance [16:47] schestowitz-TR so you can join them, and work your way close to 100% [16:47] Techrights-sec and filtered algorithmically, the rest are gullible fools manipulated by [16:47] Techrights-sec aforementioned algorithmic sorting [16:48] schestowitz-TR I think we should adopt words like "herded" [16:48] schestowitz-TR ratjher than manipulated [16:48] schestowitz-TR because that helps convey how people like Musk and Gates perceive [16:48] schestowitz-TR such platforms [16:48] schestowitz-TR herding consumers and peasants [16:48] schestowitz-TR sharecropping [16:49] Techrights-sec farming, herding, etc [16:49] Techrights-sec yes, sharecropping. though those trying to build services and products using [16:49] Techrights-sec M$ "technologies" are closer to sharecroppers. [16:50] schestowitz-TR they go into debt faster, in a bigger way, and are less likely to get out of it [16:50] schestowitz-TR because of long-ter m liabilities or TCO [16:50] schestowitz-TR and the pace of losses increases more rapidly [16:50] schestowitz-TR that's why many such businesses fail [16:50] schestowitz-TR if they grow, the costs scale badly [16:50] schestowitz-TR like patent royalties [16:52] Techrights-sec yep -- sharecropping [16:52] Techrights-sec yes, though the food prices are going to increase greatly several times during [16:52] Techrights-sec the next year as the various crises make their effects known [16:52] Techrights-sec ack [16:54] schestowitz-TR rianne went out to hunt for bargain fods [16:54] schestowitz-TR we reckon the best way to prepare is to lessen the expenses [16:54] schestowitz-TR esp. now that food prices go up [16:54] schestowitz-TR the energy bill we got today was almost 100 for the month [16:54] schestowitz-TR gas+elc, 2 people, 50 each [16:54] schestowitz-TR it was about 60 6 years ago [16:54] schestowitz-TR but we also showered in the gym [16:54] schestowitz-TR so that's still a steep increases [16:54] schestowitz-TR for families wqith kids and heating it can be 250 a month [16:55] schestowitz-TR you do of course realise many energy companies and food growers were subsidised by taxpayers up [16:55] schestowitz-TR until now to keep the peasants from revolting [16:55] schestowitz-TR it was a hidden tax [16:55] schestowitz-TR weheat, oil etc. [16:55] schestowitz-TR with growping fianancial liabilities they can no longer hide th e tru cost of living [16:55] Techrights-sec ack [16:56] schestowitz-TR "our system is so great... we keep borrowing money from taxpayers to buy cheap food and energy for them [16:56] schestowitz-TR and to purify water we need energy toio" [16:56] schestowitz-TR "we let them fly cheaply this way so everyone gets their nlifestyle weekend flight to spain" [16:57] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@857feqnpqcr82.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [16:57] Techrights-sec yes, they cannot hide the true costs of living and recent astronomical increases [16:57] Techrights-sec but they do have social control media to shift blame to designated targets [16:57] Techrights-sec note the current French elections in that regards [16:57] Techrights-sec flights ought to be vastly reduced, since there is virtually no other lifestyle [16:57] Techrights-sec change which one can make, even with great effort, to compensate for and offset [16:57] Techrights-sec the environmental damage that even a single flight causes [16:59] schestowitz-TR I've not left the country since berlin (my birthday, 018) adn have not left the city since 2020 (Sheffield) [16:59] schestowitz-TR to rianne it's starting to get a little difficult after 2 years [16:59] schestowitz-TR in 2 mins we get the latest corona numbers [16:59] schestowitz-TR I heard on the radio this morning (yes, decided to torture myself with FM) [16:59] schestowitz-TR that there si a sharp increase [16:59] schestowitz-TR so even the national broadcasters quiut pretending ● Apr 11 [17:01] schestowitz-TR I envy people who manage to avoid flying [17:01] schestowitz-TR trhere is often pressure from family members iof not shitty friends [17:01] schestowitz-TR who still think "phone ownership" or "drtiving" or "flying FAR away" [17:01] schestowitz-TR is a measure of social status, success etc. [17:01] schestowitz-TR now every janitor has some "smart" phone [17:01] schestowitz-TR not that janitors have a "lesser" job [17:03] Techrights-sec it's a rather important job and about 10^6 times more useful than MBAs and most [17:03] Techrights-sec managers, futhermore unlike those other two it is honest work [17:03] Techrights-sec unfortunately it no longer pays a living wage despite its necessity in a [17:03] Techrights-sec well-functioning society [17:03] schestowitz-TR elop got a BONUS! [17:03] Techrights-sec his bonus was contingent upon destroying the company and its product line [17:05] schestowitz-TR to hell with "products" [17:05] schestowitz-TR that SOB destroyed the lives of many families of engineers [17:05] schestowitz-TR who had done productive things [17:05] Techrights-sec the lives of a great many employees were overturned as a result of his [17:05] schestowitz-TR not just on phoneres [17:05] schestowitz-TR but plent of telecom innovation for decades [17:05] schestowitz-TR befoire elop even went to college [17:05] Techrights-sec despicable damage [17:05] Techrights-sec https://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2011/08/coining-term-elop-effect-when-you-combine-osborne-effect-and-ratner-effect.html [17:05] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-communities-dominate.blogs.com | Communities Dominate Brands: Coining Term: "Elop Effect" when you combine Osborne Effect and Ratner Effect [17:08] schestowitz-TR some went to jolla and made sailfishOPS [17:08] schestowitz-TR but Microsoft basically bought the powwefful brand [17:08] schestowitz-TR so people are not likely to go to stores asking for "jollo"ade anotherddddddddff [17:09] schestowitz-TR sorru my upstream went dire [17:09] schestowitz-TR maybe it's the pi changing tc settings :-) [17:09] Techrights-sec one of the apparent intended side effects of gutting the company was to [17:09] Techrights-sec turn those skilled, experienced staff out onto the street [17:09] Techrights-sec what remains is farcically hierarchicaly and ossified, not to mention there [17:09] Techrights-sec are *very* few remanin pockets of skilled staff [17:09] Techrights-sec once you've culled the knowledge pool enough, the best do not have enough peers [17:10] Techrights-sec in their or neighboring fields and cannot be retained. [17:10] Techrights-sec bought + shutdown [17:10] Techrights-sec they make routers or something now but no phones [17:10] schestowitz-TR yahoo and novell used to make products [17:10] schestowitz-TR yahoo still had my geocities site [17:10] schestowitz-TR when microsoft and icahn started attacking [17:12] Techrights-sec Icahn and M$ went after Yahoo to damage, among other things, FreeBSD [17:14] schestowitz-TR (checking latest covid data, to write report and then share it ith riuanne) [17:14] schestowitz-TR (billBC is not informing, it's propaganda for "the economy" (riuch peopole)) [17:14] schestowitz-TR netflix still uses freebsd [17:14] schestowitz-TR and afaik the ceo or a co-=founder had come from microsoft [17:14] Techrights-sec that is because it is a company of microsofters and they 1) have to have [17:14] Techrights-sec a working infrastructute, 2) would go to the most extreme lengths to avoid [17:14] Techrights-sec GNU/Linux. They'd use NetBSD if they had to, or even Haiku, just as long [17:15] Techrights-sec as they can avoid GNU [17:15] schestowitz-TR hotmail did the same even before being hijacked by microsoft [17:15] schestowitz-TR where is hiootmail today?> [17:19] Techrights-sec hotmail started on freebsd but M$ tried several times to port it to NT [17:19] Techrights-sec I think the 4th or 5th attempt kind of worked but by that time they had learned [17:19] Techrights-sec to be quiet about the migration. Though they never learn, such as what happened [17:19] Techrights-sec to Sampo Pankki in Finland way back in the 00's They shot their mouths off [17:19] Techrights-sec and then the migration failed fast and hard and the outages lasted months [17:19] schestowitz-TR holy shit! [17:19] schestowitz-TR over 500 deathss [17:19] schestowitz-TR afer they added another 2700'missing' deaths last week [17:19] schestowitz-TR 45% increase in one week [17:19] schestowitz-TR this is worse thasn in 2020 [17:19] schestowitz-TR "go watch football, lads" [17:19] Techrights-sec where? context? [17:19] Techrights-sec ah ,the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic [17:19] schestowitz-TR "ladies, go shopping" [17:21] schestowitz-TR the one that AstraZeneca and Pfizer "killed" last year [17:21] schestowitz-TR eradicated, just like the testing rates here [17:21] schestowitz-TR they ended it last month [17:21] schestowitz-TR all that testing is bad for ratings of Borisnaro [17:21] schestowitz-TR I will do a post about this [17:21] Techrights-sec ack [17:55] *schestowitz has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [17:55] *schestowitz (~roy@pumv3cb2rfinu.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [17:55] *irc.techrights.org sets mode +q #boycottnovell schestowitz ● Apr 11 [18:45] Techrights-sec https://schestowitz.com/ ? [18:45] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com | NO TITLE [18:45] schestowitz-TR I have not enabled it [18:45] Techrights-sec ack [18:46] schestowitz-TR my home network became super-slow [18:46] schestowitz-TR I've installed some tools to find the culprit [18:46] schestowitz-TR but it might just be ipfs again [18:50] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [18:51] Techrights-sec ack [18:51] Techrights-sec tcpdump? [18:53] schestowitz-TR I am not even sure which machine is at fault, it started getting very bad a few hours agfo [18:54] Techrights-sec wireless or ethernet? [18:54] schestowitz-TR only the ip phone is ethernet [18:57] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@26txficfvx7mg.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [18:57] Techrights-sec there could be RF interference too / instead then :( [18:58] Techrights-sec If it's not RF interference then you might try some netflow analyzer [18:58] Techrights-sec ntop or flowscan might be ok, [18:58] Techrights-sec noction was disparaged in IRC the other day ● Apr 11 [19:07] schestowitz-TR I've just temprarily shut down ipfs [19:07] schestowitz-TR my home though was to see it was not culprit [19:07] schestowitz-TR I already checked its usage earlier [19:07] schestowitz-TR and it wasn't likely at fault [19:07] schestowitz-TR the theory that lowering shields with the new script did not pass muster [19:07] schestowitz-TR now it is off and my connectuion is still very slow [19:07] schestowitz-TR a lot of things timing out [19:07] schestowitz-TR cannot refresh rss [19:08] Techrights-sec about the RF interference, one possibility if you are on the 2.4 GHz band is [19:08] Techrights-sec radiation from a neighbor's wifi or appliance. If the former, you can scan for [19:08] Techrights-sec wireless networks and check if there is *anything* on a channel other than [19:08] Techrights-sec 1, 6, or 11. If so, then that's probably the cause. If you are on the 5 GHz [19:08] Techrights-sec band, which your should be, then the RF question is harder to solve. [19:08] Techrights-sec I see [19:08] Techrights-sec sudo iwlist wlan0 scan | less [19:08] Techrights-sec sudo iwlist wlan0 scan | grep -Ei 'channel|address|signal|essid' [19:10] Techrights-sec The raspberry pi can handle 5 GHz channels. Not sure about the older hardware [19:10] Techrights-sec you might have though. [19:14] schestowitz-TR I cannot believe I am back to this [19:14] schestowitz-TR for over a year it was fine [19:14] schestowitz-TR ipfs is def. not the culprit [19:14] schestowitz-TR I will check another way [19:16] Techrights-sec are there other wifi networks in range? [19:22] Techrights-sec try changing your 2.4GHz channel from 11 to 6 or 1 and your 5GHz channel [19:22] Techrights-sec from 36 to anything else [19:23] schestowitz-TR wait, here is the stramnnge thing [19:23] schestowitz-TR the pi can get megabytes going [19:23] schestowitz-TR the other machines barely anything [19:23] schestowitz-TR I want to try and see a few thins [19:24] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [19:32] schestowitz-TR I can lower the pi from about 4mb/min to 400k a miniute [19:32] schestowitz-TR but the other machines are still slow [19:32] schestowitz-TR I don't understand why it can get those rates at all [19:32] schestowitz-TR even the pi making outbound connection seems rather slow [19:32] Techrights-sec /tmp/scan.log [19:32] Techrights-sec are the slow machines on 2.4GHz ? [19:32] Techrights-sec strength has nothing to do with interference two strong signals on overlapping [19:32] Techrights-sec channels will destroy eachother [19:33] schestowitz-TR same outcome also on rianne's laptop [19:33] schestowitz-TR 2400 [19:33] schestowitz-TR strong signal strength [19:35] Techrights-sec try changing your 2.4GHz channel from 11 to 6 or 1 and your 5GHz channel [19:35] Techrights-sec from 36 to anything else [19:37] schestowitz-TR wish me luckj [19:38] schestowitz-TR changed settings [19:38] schestowitz-TR may need to reconnect [19:38] schestowitz-TR don;'t reply in ther meantime [19:38] schestowitz-TR as much may follow in terms of chores [19:38] Techrights-sec also turn off "band steering" while in there, if it is on [19:39] *schestowitz-TR has quit (connection closed) [19:39] *rianne_ has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [19:40] *rianne_ has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 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