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[07:43]	Techrights-sec	ITWire seems to have fixed its hosting problem, at least temporarily.
[07:43]	Techrights-sec	ITWire seems to have fixed its hosting problem, at least temporarily.
[07:43]	Techrights-sec	tr/tm monitoring seems to have worked, at least for tr, there was the usual
[07:43]	Techrights-sec	tr/tm monitoring seems to have worked, at least for tr, there was the usual
[07:43]	Techrights-sec	brief slowdown at 03:40 for the system activities but nothing otherwise
[07:43]	Techrights-sec	brief slowdown at 03:40 for the system activities but nothing otherwise
[07:44]	schestowitz-TR	where is itwire now?
[07:44]	schestowitz-TR	where is itwire now?
[07:45]	Techrights-sec	digitalPacific
[07:45]	Techrights-sec	in Australia
[07:45]	Techrights-sec	DIGITAL PACIFIC PTY LTD w HQ in NSW
[07:45]	Techrights-sec	digitalPacific
[07:45]	Techrights-sec	in Australia
[07:45]	Techrights-sec	DIGITAL PACIFIC PTY LTD w HQ in NSW
[07:46]	schestowitz-TR	maybe for technical reasons
[07:46]	schestowitz-TR	maybe for technical reasons
[07:46]	schestowitz-TR	azure is a joke
[07:46]	schestowitz-TR	azure is a joke
[07:47]	Techrights-sec	a bad joke at best; hopefully ITWire learned its lesson about wasting money
[07:47]	Techrights-sec	a bad joke at best; hopefully ITWire learned its lesson about wasting money
[07:47]	Techrights-sec	it's suppose to be quite expensive compare to the services it immitates
[07:47]	Techrights-sec	it's suppose to be quite expensive compare to the services it immitates
[07:47]	Techrights-sec	in addition to the availability problems and such
[07:47]	Techrights-sec	in addition to the availability problems and such
[07:48]	schestowitz-TR	thanks for reminding me for mentioning something about azure in case I resign sooner than expected
[07:48]	schestowitz-TR	thanks for reminding me for mentioning something about azure in case I resign sooner than expected
[07:53]	Techrights-sec	I wouldn't waste the time, but if you think it will come up the pricing is   
[07:53]	Techrights-sec	I wouldn't waste the time, but if you think it will come up the pricing is   
[07:53]	Techrights-sec	probably public though most likely misleading 
[07:53]	Techrights-sec	probably public though most likely misleading 
[07:53]	Techrights-sec	apologies in advance for the link but no sites cover azure, since it is not
[07:53]	Techrights-sec	relevant: https://www.zdnet.com/article/global-azure-outage-knocked-out-virtual-machines-other-vm-dependent-services/
[07:53]	Techrights-sec	https://acloudguru.com/blog/engineering/what-happened-with-microsoft-azures-active-directory-and-dns-outages
[07:53]	Techrights-sec	apologies in advance for the link but no sites cover azure, since it is not
[07:53]	Techrights-sec	relevant: https://www.zdnet.com/article/global-azure-outage-knocked-out-virtual-machines-other-vm-dependent-services/
[07:53]	Techrights-sec	https://acloudguru.com/blog/engineering/what-happened-with-microsoft-azures-active-directory-and-dns-outages
[07:53]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Global Azure outage knocked out virtual machines, other VM-dependent services | ZDNet
[07:53]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Global Azure outage knocked out virtual machines, other VM-dependent services | ZDNet
[07:53]	Techrights-sec	https://www.exoprise.com/2021/12/16/azure-ad-microsoft-365-outage-december-15/
[07:53]	Techrights-sec	https://www.exoprise.com/2021/12/16/azure-ad-microsoft-365-outage-december-15/
[07:53]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-acloudguru.com | What happened with Microsoft Azures AD and DNS outages? | A Cloud Guru
[07:53]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-acloudguru.com | What happened with Microsoft Azures AD and DNS outages? | A Cloud Guru
[07:53]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Global Azure AD Outage Affecting Microsoft 365 Services December 15 - Exoprise
[07:53]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Global Azure AD Outage Affecting Microsoft 365 Services December 15 - Exoprise
[07:55]	schestowitz-TR	putting brands aside, anfocusing on concepts like in CS<
[07:55]	schestowitz-TR	putting brands aside, anfocusing on concepts like in CS<
[07:55]	schestowitz-TR	we can just tell people that "clown" means they are totally not in
[07:55]	schestowitz-TR	we can just tell people that "clown" means they are totally not in
[07:55]	schestowitz-TR	control;
[07:55]	schestowitz-TR	control;
[07:55]	schestowitz-TR	the clown controls are vendor lockin, so it's harder to move away than with tradition hosts
[07:55]	schestowitz-TR	the clown controls are vendor lockin, so it's harder to move away than with tradition hosts
[07:55]	schestowitz-TR	e.g. cpanel on centos
[07:55]	schestowitz-TR	e.g. cpanel on centos
[07:55]	schestowitz-TR	BTW, Canonical was shilling a Windows laptop yesterday
[07:55]	schestowitz-TR	BTW, Canonical was shilling a Windows laptop yesterday
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[08:02]	Techrights-sec	https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29574027
[08:02]	Techrights-sec	https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29574027
[08:02]	Techrights-sec	mostly covered by crap sites
[08:02]	Techrights-sec	mostly covered by crap sites
[08:02]	Techrights-sec	yes the UI for the systems tends to be proprietary with clown computing, 
[08:02]	Techrights-sec	yes the UI for the systems tends to be proprietary with clown computing, 
[08:02]	Techrights-sec	instead of bog standard SSH or KVM (keyboard video)
[08:02]	Techrights-sec	instead of bog standard SSH or KVM (keyboard video)
[08:02]	Techrights-sec	Canonical has been full of microsofters for years, I'm surprised they     
[08:02]	Techrights-sec	Canonical has been full of microsofters for years, I'm surprised they     
[08:02]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-news.ycombinator.com | Tell HN: Azure is having a major outage | Hacker News
[08:02]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-news.ycombinator.com | Tell HN: Azure is having a major outage | Hacker News
[08:02]	Techrights-sec	haven't managed to cancel Ubuntu from the inside.  Though it does seem that
[08:02]	Techrights-sec	haven't managed to cancel Ubuntu from the inside.  Though it does seem that
[08:02]	Techrights-sec	Canonical has been misdirecting and wasting effort since thatincursion started
[08:02]	Techrights-sec	Canonical has been misdirecting and wasting effort since thatincursion started
[08:02]	Techrights-sec	https://www.computerweekly.com/news/252497921/Microsoft-cloud-users-hit-by-global-outage-linked-to-Azure-Active-Directory-issue
[08:02]	Techrights-sec	https://www.computerweekly.com/news/252497921/Microsoft-cloud-users-hit-by-global-outage-linked-to-Azure-Active-Directory-issue
[08:02]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.computerweekly.com | Microsoft cloud users hit by global outage linked to Azure Active Directory issue
[08:02]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.computerweekly.com | Microsoft cloud users hit by global outage linked to Azure Active Directory issue
[08:02]	Techrights-sec	https://www.crn.com/slide-shows/cloud/the-10-biggest-cloud-outages-of-2021-so-far-/7
[08:02]	Techrights-sec	https://www.crn.com/slide-shows/cloud/the-10-biggest-cloud-outages-of-2021-so-far-/7
[08:02]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.crn.com | The 10 Biggest Cloud Outages Of 2021 (So Far)
[08:02]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.crn.com | The 10 Biggest Cloud Outages Of 2021 (So Far)
[08:09]	schestowitz-TR	a prt of me reallyy hope for closure re the company
[08:09]	schestowitz-TR	a prt of me reallyy hope for closure re the company
[08:09]	schestowitz-TR	rianne had come to acceptance of that too
[08:09]	schestowitz-TR	rianne had come to acceptance of that too
[08:09]	schestowitz-TR	BTW, see the storyat the very top of TM right now
[08:09]	schestowitz-TR	BTW, see the storyat the very top of TM right now
[08:09]	schestowitz-TR	I also put it in my notes to use the spare time to improve the sites, as if it was part of the job
[08:09]	schestowitz-TR	I also put it in my notes to use the spare time to improve the sites, as if it was part of the job
[08:11]	Techrights-sec	checking
[08:11]	Techrights-sec	checking
[08:11]	Techrights-sec	Fedora or TM turning 18?
[08:11]	Techrights-sec	Fedora or TM turning 18?
[08:11]	schestowitz-TR	did I say Fedoa?
[08:11]	schestowitz-TR	did I say Fedoa?
[08:20]	schestowitz	x https://text.npr.org/1098066371
[08:20]	schestowitz	x https://text.npr.org/1098066371
[08:20]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-text.npr.org | Bill Gates tests positive for COVID-19, says he's experiencing mild symptoms
[08:20]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-text.npr.org | Bill Gates tests positive for COVID-19, says he's experiencing mild symptoms
[08:27]	Techrights-sec	that's at the top of TM atm
[08:27]	Techrights-sec	I see further down something about Windoze workstations
[08:27]	Techrights-sec	that's at the top of TM atm
[08:27]	Techrights-sec	I see further down something about Windoze workstations
[08:27]	Techrights-sec	that article is Canonical pushing WSL to (knowingly or unknowingly) destroy
[08:27]	Techrights-sec	that article is Canonical pushing WSL to (knowingly or unknowingly) destroy
[08:27]	Techrights-sec	or at least hurt GNU/Linux adoption / usage
[08:27]	Techrights-sec	or at least hurt GNU/Linux adoption / usage
[08:33]	schestowitz-TR	 EFF and Roe (yes, EFF is run by women to focus on women's rights, more so than tech rights) https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/05/what-companies-can-do-now-protect-digital-rights-post-roe-world | Source: EFF
[08:33]	schestowitz-TR	 EFF and Roe (yes, EFF is run by women to focus on women's rights, more so than tech rights) https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/05/what-companies-can-do-now-protect-digital-rights-post-roe-world | Source: EFF
[08:33]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.eff.org | What Companies Can Do Now to Protect Digital Rights In A Post-Roe World | Electronic Frontier Foundation
[08:33]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.eff.org | What Companies Can Do Now to Protect Digital Rights In A Post-Roe World | Electronic Frontier Foundation
[08:33]	schestowitz-TR	-TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social- www.eff.org | What Companies Can Do Now to Protect Digital Rights In A Post-Roe World | Electronic Frontier Foundation
[08:33]	schestowitz-TR	-TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social- www.eff.org | What Companies Can Do Now to Protect Digital Rights In A Post-Roe World | Electronic Frontier Foundation
[08:33]	schestowitz-TR	<techrights-news> EFF and Roe (yes, EFF is run by women to focus on women's rights, more so than tech rights) https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/05/reproductive-privacy-requires-data-privacy | Source: EFF
[08:33]	schestowitz-TR	<techrights-news> EFF and Roe (yes, EFF is run by women to focus on women's rights, more so than tech rights) https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/05/reproductive-privacy-requires-data-privacy | Source: EFF
[08:33]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.eff.org | Reproductive Privacy Requires Data Privacy | Electronic Frontier Foundation
[08:33]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.eff.org | Reproductive Privacy Requires Data Privacy | Electronic Frontier Foundation
[08:33]	schestowitz-TR	-TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social- www.eff.org | Reproductive Privacy Requires Data Privacy | Electronic Frontier Foundation
[08:33]	schestowitz-TR	-TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social- www.eff.org | Reproductive Privacy Requires Data Privacy | Electronic Frontier Foundation
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[09:37]	schestowitz-TR	[09:36] <techrights-news> MusKSA (oil money buying Twitter) spreads climate disinfo or turns a blind eye https://www.desmog.com/2022/05/10/twitters-new-ad-policy-ignores-a-subtler-form-of-climate-disinformation/ | Source: DeSmog
[09:37]	schestowitz-TR	[09:36] <techrights-news> MusKSA (oil money buying Twitter) spreads climate disinfo or turns a blind eye https://www.desmog.com/2022/05/10/twitters-new-ad-policy-ignores-a-subtler-form-of-climate-disinformation/ | Source: DeSmog
[09:37]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Twitters New Ad Policy Ignores a Subtler Form of Climate Disinformation - DeSmog
[09:37]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Twitters New Ad Policy Ignores a Subtler Form of Climate Disinformation - DeSmog
[09:38]	Techrights-sec	yep that's what it'll be used for -- spreading strife and disinformation
[09:38]	Techrights-sec	yep that's what it'll be used for -- spreading strife and disinformation
[09:38]	Techrights-sec	at a scale that will vastly overshadow what we saw before
[09:38]	Techrights-sec	at a scale that will vastly overshadow what we saw before
[09:39]	schestowitz-TR	<techrights-news> EFF: We take money from billionaires and from Gulag. Can you top up their 'donations'? https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/04/token-thanks-brighter-future | Source: EFF
[09:39]	schestowitz-TR	<techrights-news> EFF: We take money from billionaires and from Gulag. Can you top up their 'donations'? https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/04/token-thanks-brighter-future | Source: EFF
[09:39]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.eff.org | A Token of Thanks for a Brighter Future | Electronic Frontier Foundation
[09:39]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.eff.org | A Token of Thanks for a Brighter Future | Electronic Frontier Foundation
[09:40]	schestowitz-TR	<techrights-news> Trump and MusKSA (yes, Saudis funded the sale) want to cause more strife https://truthout.org/articles/elon-musk-says-hell-let-trump-back-on-twitter-calling-ban-foolish/ | Source: TruthOut
[09:40]	schestowitz-TR	<techrights-news> Trump and MusKSA (yes, Saudis funded the sale) want to cause more strife https://truthout.org/articles/elon-musk-says-hell-let-trump-back-on-twitter-calling-ban-foolish/ | Source: TruthOut
[09:40]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-truthout.org | Elon Musk Says Hell Let Trump Back on Twitter, Calling Ban Foolish
[09:40]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-truthout.org | Elon Musk Says Hell Let Trump Back on Twitter, Calling Ban Foolish
[09:43]	Techrights-sec	encouraging incitement to violence and other already illegal activities is just
[09:43]	Techrights-sec	encouraging incitement to violence and other already illegal activities is just
[09:43]	Techrights-sec	one means of spreading strife
[09:43]	Techrights-sec	one means of spreading strife
[09:43]	Techrights-sec	free speech is just a red herring and collateral damage since it gets associated
[09:43]	Techrights-sec	free speech is just a red herring and collateral damage since it gets associated
[09:43]	Techrights-sec	with illegal activities there; it has gone so far that the term "free speech" 
[09:43]	Techrights-sec	with illegal activities there; it has gone so far that the term "free speech" 
[09:43]	Techrights-sec	has become a dog whistle for several political leanings who use it to refer
[09:43]	Techrights-sec	has become a dog whistle for several political leanings who use it to refer
[09:43]	Techrights-sec	to hate speech and various other problems including already illegal activities
[09:43]	Techrights-sec	to hate speech and various other problems including already illegal activities
[09:51]	schestowitz-TR	we need to keep driving home that message 
[09:51]	schestowitz-TR	we need to keep driving home that message 
[09:51]	schestowitz-TR	even if that takes years
[09:51]	schestowitz-TR	even if that takes years
[09:51]	schestowitz-TR	even just changing vocabularies can help
[09:51]	schestowitz-TR	even just changing vocabularies can help
[09:51]	schestowitz-TR	social control media, clownflare etc.
[09:51]	schestowitz-TR	social control media, clownflare etc.
[09:51]	schestowitz-TR	I think catchy phrases spread faster 
[09:51]	schestowitz-TR	I think catchy phrases spread faster 
[09:51]	schestowitz-TR	openwashing is one I coined 15 years ago (afaik)
[09:51]	schestowitz-TR	openwashing is one I coined 15 years ago (afaik)
[09:51]	schestowitz-TR	it's a shaming word
[09:51]	schestowitz-TR	it's a shaming word
[09:51]	schestowitz-TR	maybe OSI will say it's a homophobic term
[09:51]	schestowitz-TR	maybe OSI will say it's a homophobic term
[09:51]	schestowitz-TR	screw them
[09:51]	schestowitz-TR	screw them
[09:57]	schestowitz-TR	Twitter has, in general, gone well past its peak, even before tryint to cash in (by axing third parties) in 2018
[09:57]	schestowitz-TR	Twitter has, in general, gone well past its peak, even before tryint to cash in (by axing third parties) in 2018
[09:57]	schestowitz-TR	I think the HUGE focus on Trump harmed them
[09:57]	schestowitz-TR	I think the HUGE focus on Trump harmed them
[09:57]	schestowitz-TR	they actively promotes pro- and anti-Trump instead of focusing on what users ACTUALLY
[09:57]	schestowitz-TR	they actively promotes pro- and anti-Trump instead of focusing on what users ACTUALLY
[09:57]	schestowitz-TR	FOLLOWED!!! And that led to emotional drain
[09:57]	schestowitz-TR	FOLLOWED!!! And that led to emotional drain
[09:57]	schestowitz-TR	Mastodon came about, but I know from experience how shtty it can be 
[09:57]	schestowitz-TR	Mastodon came about, but I know from experience how shtty it can be 
[09:57]	schestowitz-TR	for multiple reason
[09:57]	schestowitz-TR	for multiple reason
[09:57]	schestowitz-TR	people who STILL dabble in those things don't reach big audiences
[09:57]	schestowitz-TR	people who STILL dabble in those things don't reach big audiences
[09:57]	schestowitz-TR	distrotoot and devault shut those down
[09:57]	schestowitz-TR	distrotoot and devault shut those down
[09:57]	schestowitz-TR	because it was more trouble than it was worth
[09:57]	schestowitz-TR	because it was more trouble than it was worth
[09:57]	schestowitz-TR	I do not REGRET spending the time I did in those "sites"
[09:57]	schestowitz-TR	I do not REGRET spending the time I did in those "sites"
[09:57]	schestowitz-TR	I partly regret not leaving sooner
[09:57]	schestowitz-TR	I partly regret not leaving sooner
[09:57]	schestowitz-TR	as some of them had run our of users years ago
[09:57]	schestowitz-TR	as some of them had run our of users years ago
[09:57]	schestowitz-TR	and were not worth the hassle anymore
[09:57]	schestowitz-TR	and were not worth the hassle anymore
[09:57]	schestowitz-TR	Twitter IS STILL TOTALLY FAKING IT
[09:57]	schestowitz-TR	Twitter IS STILL TOTALLY FAKING IT
[09:57]	schestowitz-TR	since 2 weeks before the sale they're shown my stats QUADRUPLING
[09:57]	schestowitz-TR	since 2 weeks before the sale they're shown my stats QUADRUPLING
[09:57]	schestowitz-TR	every day
[09:57]	schestowitz-TR	every day
[09:59]	Techrights-sec	ack
[09:59]	Techrights-sec	ack
[09:59]	Techrights-sec	if twitter is engaged in fraud, that is actionable by the SEC among others    
[09:59]	Techrights-sec	if twitter is engaged in fraud, that is actionable by the SEC among others    
[09:59]	Techrights-sec	if I understand correctly
[09:59]	Techrights-sec	if I understand correctly
● May 11
[10:00]	schestowitz-TR	good luck proving it
[10:00]	schestowitz-TR	good luck proving it
[10:00]	schestowitz-TR	"open source" as code for "Trump is back"
[10:00]	schestowitz-TR	"open source" as code for "Trump is back"
[10:00]	schestowitz-TR	MusKSA will tarnish the terms "free speech" and "Open Source" some more
[10:00]	schestowitz-TR	MusKSA will tarnish the terms "free speech" and "Open Source" some more
[10:00]	schestowitz-TR	media already used Mastoidon et al to associate us with HATE speech, Nazis, ISIS...
[10:00]	schestowitz-TR	media already used Mastoidon et al to associate us with HATE speech, Nazis, ISIS...
[10:01]	Techrights-sec	it looks that way    
[10:01]	Techrights-sec	it looks that way    
[10:01]	Techrights-sec	they will leverage anything to inhibit software freedom
[10:01]	Techrights-sec	they will leverage anything to inhibit software freedom
[10:01]	Techrights-sec	yes, as mentioned the phrase "free speech" is being used as a dog whistle
[10:01]	Techrights-sec	yes, as mentioned the phrase "free speech" is being used as a dog whistle
[10:03]	schestowitz-TR	defrauding the public using tweets = "free speech"
[10:03]	schestowitz-TR	defrauding the public using tweets = "free speech"
[10:03]	schestowitz-TR	visiting Epstein in PRISON = "free speech"
[10:03]	schestowitz-TR	visiting Epstein in PRISON = "free speech"
[10:03]	schestowitz-TR	(billg: I was in contact with him to meet rich people... yeah, the prison was a C&^C Centre for rich people ^_^ )
[10:03]	schestowitz-TR	(billg: I was in contact with him to meet rich people... yeah, the prison was a C&^C Centre for rich people ^_^ )
[10:04]	schestowitz-TR	I don't always do social networking with banksters
[10:04]	schestowitz-TR	I don't always do social networking with banksters
[10:04]	schestowitz-TR	but when I do, I go into a cage with one person in orange shirt 
[10:04]	schestowitz-TR	but when I do, I go into a cage with one person in orange shirt 
[10:04]	schestowitz-TR	[meme]
[10:04]	schestowitz-TR	[meme]
[10:10]	schestowitz-TR	[10:10] <techrights-news> MusKSA: let's buy Twitter to destabilise USA and distract from how badly people get f-ed by oligarchs and oil giants https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/05/10/critics-say-musk-lifting-trump-twitter-ban-would-assist-authoritarian-crusade | Source: Common Dreams
[10:10]	schestowitz-TR	[10:10] <techrights-news> MusKSA: let's buy Twitter to destabilise USA and distract from how badly people get f-ed by oligarchs and oil giants https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/05/10/critics-say-musk-lifting-trump-twitter-ban-would-assist-authoritarian-crusade | Source: Common Dreams
[10:10]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.commondreams.org | Critics Say Musk Lifting Trump Twitter Ban Would Assist 'Authoritarian Crusade'
[10:10]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.commondreams.org | Critics Say Musk Lifting Trump Twitter Ban Would Assist 'Authoritarian Crusade'
[10:10]	schestowitz-TR	correct me if I missed something, but FSF said nothing
[10:10]	schestowitz-TR	correct me if I missed something, but FSF said nothing
[10:10]	schestowitz-TR	in IRC
[10:10]	schestowitz-TR	in IRC
[10:10]	schestowitz-TR	in twitter
[10:10]	schestowitz-TR	in twitter
[10:10]	schestowitz-TR	in fsf.org
[10:10]	schestowitz-TR	in fsf.org
[10:10]	schestowitz-TR	about the Twitetr sale
[10:10]	schestowitz-TR	about the Twitetr sale
[10:10]	schestowitz-TR	took them a year to point our Twitter REQUIRES proprietary software in the client side
[10:10]	schestowitz-TR	took them a year to point our Twitter REQUIRES proprietary software in the client side
[10:11]	schestowitz-TR	and they are STILL on there
[10:11]	schestowitz-TR	and they are STILL on there
[10:21]	Techrights-sec	ack
[10:21]	Techrights-sec	ack
● May 11
[11:00]		*DaemonFC (~daemonfc@th6czuhh2gauq.irc) has joined #boycottnovell
[11:00]		*DaemonFC (~daemonfc@th6czuhh2gauq.irc) has joined #boycottnovell
[11:08]	Techrights-sec	do you have external speakers on the rpi?  I'm wondering if it is worth
[11:08]	Techrights-sec	do you have external speakers on the rpi?  I'm wondering if it is worth
[11:08]	Techrights-sec	adding audio to the monitoring program
[11:08]	Techrights-sec	adding audio to the monitoring program
[11:08]	Techrights-sec	beyond the GPIO buzzer
[11:08]	Techrights-sec	beyond the GPIO buzzer
[11:12]	schestowitz-TR	no, I did plug in the headphones after putting debian 11 and iirc it worked
[11:12]	schestowitz-TR	no, I did plug in the headphones after putting debian 11 and iirc it worked
[11:12]	schestowitz-TR	but not without them
[11:12]	schestowitz-TR	but not without them
[11:13]	schestowitz-TR	and I'm not even sure it did work, I just forgot
[11:13]	schestowitz-TR	and I'm not even sure it did work, I just forgot
[11:13]	schestowitz-TR	the pi is only visible in another room
[11:13]	schestowitz-TR	the pi is only visible in another room
[11:13]	schestowitz-TR	(where rianne works)
[11:13]	schestowitz-TR	(where rianne works)
[11:13]	schestowitz-TR	btw, rianne is doign research on .gov sites
[11:13]	schestowitz-TR	btw, rianne is doign research on .gov sites
[11:13]	schestowitz-TR	re rights of workers
[11:13]	schestowitz-TR	re rights of workers
[11:13]	schestowitz-TR	we don't want to get tricked
[11:13]	schestowitz-TR	we don't want to get tricked
[11:13]	schestowitz-TR	the important thing is like "right to remain silent"
[11:13]	schestowitz-TR	the important thing is like "right to remain silent"
[11:13]	schestowitz-TR	and decide later, offline
[11:13]	schestowitz-TR	and decide later, offline
[11:13]	schestowitz-TR	as there are legal hacks to avoid paying compensation etc.
[11:13]	schestowitz-TR	as there are legal hacks to avoid paying compensation etc.
[11:13]	schestowitz-TR	"roy, would you like to work on a Microsoft project???"
[11:13]	schestowitz-TR	"roy, would you like to work on a Microsoft project???"
[11:13]	schestowitz-TR	if I say "no", I can lose the right for compensation over 11+ years
[11:13]	schestowitz-TR	if I say "no", I can lose the right for compensation over 11+ years
[11:13]	schestowitz-TR	I also may need to check the nregistration status of the companies (now sliced into 3, at least two in debt)
[11:13]	schestowitz-TR	I also may need to check the nregistration status of the companies (now sliced into 3, at least two in debt)
[11:13]	schestowitz-TR	approaching an employment lawyer before knowing the facts is hard
[11:13]	schestowitz-TR	approaching an employment lawyer before knowing the facts is hard
[11:13]	schestowitz-TR	lol, imagine going on the call with a lawyer next to me :-)
[11:13]	schestowitz-TR	lol, imagine going on the call with a lawyer next to me :-)
[11:13]	schestowitz-TR	that would piss them off
[11:13]	schestowitz-TR	that would piss them off
[11:13]	Techrights-sec	ok
[11:13]	Techrights-sec	:( sounds like some kind of debt shuffle to leave someone holding the bag
[11:13]	Techrights-sec	ok
[11:13]	Techrights-sec	:( sounds like some kind of debt shuffle to leave someone holding the bag
[11:14]	schestowitz-TR	we are not and were never registered as shareholders
[11:14]	schestowitz-TR	we are not and were never registered as shareholders
[11:14]	schestowitz-TR	I think one colleague foolishly may have, but not us
[11:14]	schestowitz-TR	I think one colleague foolishly may have, but not us
[11:14]	schestowitz-TR	and I checked with the pension provider, very long call, she even asked a colleague to verify
[11:14]	schestowitz-TR	and I checked with the pension provider, very long call, she even asked a colleague to verify
[11:15]	Techrights-sec	that a relief
[11:15]	Techrights-sec	that a relief
[11:17]	schestowitz-TR	having just used intercom (rianne sends links over ssh, via pi)
[11:17]	schestowitz-TR	having just used intercom (rianne sends links over ssh, via pi)
[11:17]	schestowitz-TR	we agreed that maybe they take 9 days not as strategic nuisnace
[11:17]	schestowitz-TR	we agreed that maybe they take 9 days not as strategic nuisnace
[11:17]	schestowitz-TR	but rather to prepare for a stage entrapment
[11:17]	schestowitz-TR	but rather to prepare for a stage entrapment
[11:17]	schestowitz-TR	and we should basically say nothing back, just record the thing
[11:17]	schestowitz-TR	and we should basically say nothing back, just record the thing
[11:17]	schestowitz-TR	and repeat, we need to check
[11:17]	schestowitz-TR	and repeat, we need to check
[11:17]	schestowitz-TR	even if they repeatedly prod
[11:17]	schestowitz-TR	even if they repeatedly prod
[11:17]	schestowitz-TR	I don't mind paying a legal veteran to study this and advice afterwards
[11:17]	schestowitz-TR	I don't mind paying a legal veteran to study this and advice afterwards
[11:17]	schestowitz-TR	*advise
[11:17]	schestowitz-TR	*advise
[11:23]	Techrights-sec	sounds like a wise approach
[11:23]	Techrights-sec	sounds like a wise approach
[11:26]	schestowitz-TR	warning: there is a good chance I might accept a more demanding role for few hours per week
[11:26]	schestowitz-TR	warning: there is a good chance I might accept a more demanding role for few hours per week
[11:26]	schestowitz-TR	rianne saw job ads yesterday at the shop
[11:26]	schestowitz-TR	rianne saw job ads yesterday at the shop
[11:26]	schestowitz-TR	realised she was being paid more than the managers there
[11:26]	schestowitz-TR	realised she was being paid more than the managers there
[11:26]	schestowitz-TR	to basically babysit elaphants in LibreWolf (ad-freee GulagTube)
[11:26]	schestowitz-TR	to basically babysit elaphants in LibreWolf (ad-freee GulagTube)
[11:26]	schestowitz-TR	and having no job at all is fun only while funds last, it's not a long-term strategy
[11:26]	schestowitz-TR	and having no job at all is fun only while funds last, it's not a long-term strategy
[11:26]	Techrights-sec	ack
[11:26]	Techrights-sec	:)
[11:26]	Techrights-sec	ack
[11:26]	Techrights-sec	:)
[11:29]	schestowitz-TR	at 200 years combined we're
[11:29]	schestowitz-TR	at 200 years combined we're
[11:29]	schestowitz-TR	*20 years 
[11:29]	schestowitz-TR	*20 years 
[11:29]	schestowitz-TR	we are too expensive to get rid of
[11:29]	schestowitz-TR	we are too expensive to get rid of
[11:29]	schestowitz-TR	(if I understand the law correctly, with the caveats)
[11:29]	schestowitz-TR	(if I understand the law correctly, with the caveats)
[11:29]	schestowitz-TR	and I have not ofended anyone yet(
[11:29]	schestowitz-TR	and I have not ofended anyone yet(
[11:29]	schestowitz-TR	irc is like tv to amish in our company
[11:29]	schestowitz-TR	irc is like tv to amish in our company
[11:29]	schestowitz-TR	they know that to do more technical work I demand a suitable salary and better working hours
[11:29]	schestowitz-TR	they know that to do more technical work I demand a suitable salary and better working hours
[11:30]	Techrights-sec	good
[11:30]	Techrights-sec	good
● May 11
[12:13]	schestowitz-TR	the latest from paypal (I do manually curated last) shows the centralisation issue
[12:13]	schestowitz-TR	the latest from paypal (I do manually curated last) shows the centralisation issue
[12:13]	schestowitz-TR	in content of financing
[12:13]	schestowitz-TR	in content of financing
[12:13]	schestowitz-TR	consortiumnews became more probelemic in recent years
[12:13]	schestowitz-TR	consortiumnews became more probelemic in recent years
[12:13]	schestowitz-TR	I unsubscribed because some of their virew were a little radical for me
[12:13]	schestowitz-TR	I unsubscribed because some of their virew were a little radical for me
[12:13]	schestowitz-TR	same for offguardian
[12:13]	schestowitz-TR	same for offguardian
[12:14]	schestowitz-TR	and mint  
[12:14]	schestowitz-TR	and mint  
[12:14]	schestowitz-TR	usuauly I'd just skip the rotten ones
[12:14]	schestowitz-TR	usuauly I'd just skip the rotten ones
[12:14]	schestowitz-TR	from the new owners
[12:14]	schestowitz-TR	from the new owners
[12:14]	Techrights-sec	should the three be added to the blacklist then?
[12:14]	Techrights-sec	should the three be added to the blacklist then?
[12:14]	schestowitz-TR	but if they become frequent I don't want to associate in any way anymore
[12:14]	schestowitz-TR	but if they become frequent I don't want to associate in any way anymore
[12:17]	Techrights-sec	should the three be added to the blacklist then?
[12:17]	Techrights-sec	ok
[12:17]	Techrights-sec	should the three be added to the blacklist then?
[12:17]	Techrights-sec	ok
[12:17]	schestowitz-TR	no,
[12:17]	schestowitz-TR	no,
[12:17]	schestowitz-TR	I am still reading the picks
[12:17]	schestowitz-TR	I am still reading the picks
[12:17]	schestowitz-TR	to understand the extent of the ban 
[12:17]	schestowitz-TR	to understand the extent of the ban 
[12:17]	schestowitz-TR	if it's just Joe Lauria
[12:17]	schestowitz-TR	if it's just Joe Lauria
[12:17]	schestowitz-TR	then calling it "left wing" is an oversimplification
[12:17]	schestowitz-TR	then calling it "left wing" is an oversimplification
[12:17]	schestowitz-TR	afiiak, murray is in good standing w/ paypal
[12:17]	schestowitz-TR	afiiak, murray is in good standing w/ paypal
[12:23]	Techrights-sec	ack
[12:23]	Techrights-sec	ack
[12:29]	schestowitz-TR	from memory: CN (ConsortiumNews) was OK at one point, I believe run by the son of the founder after he had died
[12:29]	schestowitz-TR	from memory: CN (ConsortiumNews) was OK at one point, I believe run by the son of the founder after he had died
[12:29]	schestowitz-TR	maybe first a heart attack
[12:29]	schestowitz-TR	maybe first a heart attack
[12:29]	schestowitz-TR	and then death
[12:29]	schestowitz-TR	and then death
[12:29]	schestowitz-TR	look it up for more accurate details
[12:29]	schestowitz-TR	look it up for more accurate details
[12:29]	schestowitz-TR	the name was Perry
[12:29]	schestowitz-TR	the name was Perry
[12:29]	schestowitz-TR	Perry was very good!
[12:29]	schestowitz-TR	Perry was very good!
[12:29]	schestowitz-TR	The current editor is something else
[12:29]	schestowitz-TR	The current editor is something else
[12:29]	schestowitz-TR	and I remove from RSS due to that
[12:29]	schestowitz-TR	and I remove from RSS due to that
[12:29]	schestowitz-TR	after many yearts
[12:29]	schestowitz-TR	after many yearts
[12:29]	schestowitz-TR	they also used to run columns for decent people
[12:29]	schestowitz-TR	they also used to run columns for decent people
[12:29]	schestowitz-TR	Ray McGovern was one of them, IIRC
[12:29]	schestowitz-TR	Ray McGovern was one of them, IIRC
[12:29]	schestowitz-TR	in years that followed they kept getting flagged "Russia" and "propaganda" and stuff
[12:29]	schestowitz-TR	in years that followed they kept getting flagged "Russia" and "propaganda" and stuff
[12:29]	schestowitz-TR	it's not 100% unthinkable that some funds for them could be traced back to rather
[12:29]	schestowitz-TR	it's not 100% unthinkable that some funds for them could be traced back to rather
[12:29]	schestowitz-TR	dodgy accounts
[12:29]	schestowitz-TR	dodgy accounts
[12:29]	schestowitz-TR	I don't know if they published pro-Putin talking points
[12:29]	schestowitz-TR	I don't know if they published pro-Putin talking points
[12:30]	schestowitz-TR	but if they did, it would not shock me
[12:30]	schestowitz-TR	but if they did, it would not shock me
[12:30]	schestowitz-TR	they are riding the old name/reputation 
[12:30]	schestowitz-TR	they are riding the old name/reputation 
[12:30]	schestowitz-TR	like Cohn at EFF
[12:30]	schestowitz-TR	like Cohn at EFF
[12:30]	schestowitz-TR	or several people at OSI
[12:30]	schestowitz-TR	or several people at OSI
[12:30]	schestowitz-TR	(or SPLC
[12:30]	schestowitz-TR	(or SPLC
[12:30]	schestowitz-TR	iirc, the acronym)
[12:30]	schestowitz-TR	iirc, the acronym)
[12:30]	schestowitz-TR	I never knew the original SPLC, but was told stories and read about more people leaving
[12:30]	schestowitz-TR	I never knew the original SPLC, but was told stories and read about more people leaving
[12:32]	Techrights-sec	ack
[12:32]	Techrights-sec	ack
[12:32]	Techrights-sec	a lot of names to keep track of
[12:32]	Techrights-sec	a lot of names to keep track of
[12:32]	Techrights-sec	not a surprise, the SPLC is not really related to its original form except by
[12:32]	Techrights-sec	name
[12:32]	Techrights-sec	not a surprise, the SPLC is not really related to its original form except by
[12:32]	Techrights-sec	name
[12:32]	schestowitz-TR	fwiw, "mint" seems to have lost Whitney Webb
[12:32]	schestowitz-TR	fwiw, "mint" seems to have lost Whitney Webb
[12:32]	schestowitz-TR	she is mostly doing her own site now
[12:32]	schestowitz-TR	she is mostly doing her own site now
[12:32]	schestowitz-TR	mintpress is reposting scheer/hedges and a lot of the time posts rather inflammatroy palestnian propaganda
[12:32]	schestowitz-TR	mintpress is reposting scheer/hedges and a lot of the time posts rather inflammatroy palestnian propaganda
[12:32]	schestowitz-TR	which insinuates a stste of israel does not even exist
[12:32]	schestowitz-TR	which insinuates a stste of israel does not even exist
[12:32]	schestowitz-TR	it got worse over time
[12:32]	schestowitz-TR	it got worse over time
[12:34]	Techrights-sec	I think it is rare to find something good + relevant there these days
[12:34]	Techrights-sec	I think it is rare to find something good + relevant there these days
[12:36]	schestowitz-TR	I used to skip the most toxic articles there, like I skip seo/webspam in some "linux" sites
[12:36]	schestowitz-TR	I used to skip the most toxic articles there, like I skip seo/webspam in some "linux" sites
[12:36]	schestowitz-TR	but at some stage you send gulagjuice and associate with spammy or very bad sites
[12:36]	schestowitz-TR	but at some stage you send gulagjuice and associate with spammy or very bad sites
[12:36]	schestowitz-TR	like linking to breitbart or rt
[12:36]	schestowitz-TR	like linking to breitbart or rt
[12:36]	schestowitz-TR	which, if it doesn't harm ranking, can derank you in the eyes of readers
[12:36]	schestowitz-TR	which, if it doesn't harm ranking, can derank you in the eyes of readers
[12:36]	schestowitz-TR	mostly by associat[on 
[12:36]	schestowitz-TR	mostly by associat[on 
[12:36]	schestowitz-TR	let me check if scheer post (offshoot of now-defuncy truthdig) has rss feed
[12:36]	schestowitz-TR	let me check if scheer post (offshoot of now-defuncy truthdig) has rss feed
[12:36]	schestowitz-TR	NOT all sites have RSS feeds anymore
[12:36]	schestowitz-TR	NOT all sites have RSS feeds anymore
[12:36]	schestowitz-TR	or they hide those
[12:36]	schestowitz-TR	or they hide those
[12:36]	schestowitz-TR	or don't know what the hell that is
[12:36]	schestowitz-TR	or don't know what the hell that is
[12:36]	schestowitz-TR	even when it exists
[12:36]	schestowitz-TR	even when it exists
[12:36]	schestowitz-TR	OK, so they have 7 writers now
[12:36]	schestowitz-TR	OK, so they have 7 writers now
[12:36]	schestowitz-TR	many of thr old crew at treuthdig
[12:36]	schestowitz-TR	many of thr old crew at treuthdig
[12:36]	schestowitz	maybe replace mint with https://scheerpost.com/feed/ ?
[12:36]	schestowitz	maybe replace mint with https://scheerpost.com/feed/ ?
[12:39]	Techrights-sec	ok
[12:39]	Techrights-sec	some have a feed but accidentally hidden, I rote to a major paper last year
[12:39]	Techrights-sec	ok
[12:39]	Techrights-sec	some have a feed but accidentally hidden, I rote to a major paper last year
[12:39]	Techrights-sec	and they responded with the URL to their feed, which is nice because all their
[12:39]	Techrights-sec	and they responded with the URL to their feed, which is nice because all their
[12:39]	Techrights-sec	articles are of good quality even only a few are relevant
[12:39]	Techrights-sec	articles are of good quality even only a few are relevant
[12:39]	schestowitz-TR	social control media and Zuck/MusKSA USED to have RSS feeds
[12:39]	schestowitz-TR	social control media and Zuck/MusKSA USED to have RSS feeds
[12:39]	schestowitz-TR	like a decade+ ago
[12:39]	schestowitz-TR	like a decade+ ago
[12:39]	schestowitz-TR	to gain a "base"
[12:39]	schestowitz-TR	to gain a "base"
[12:39]	schestowitz-TR	but like Gulag, now they hate RSS
[12:39]	schestowitz-TR	but like Gulag, now they hate RSS
[12:39]	schestowitz-TR	because it's a competition to them if widely adopted for all sites
[12:39]	schestowitz-TR	because it's a competition to them if widely adopted for all sites
[12:40]	schestowitz-TR	and also threatens their business model
[12:40]	schestowitz-TR	and also threatens their business model
[12:40]	schestowitz-TR	(however sucky those models are)
[12:40]	schestowitz-TR	(however sucky those models are)
[12:40]	Techrights-sec	ok, checking
[12:40]	Techrights-sec	ok, checking
[12:40]	Techrights-sec	Feeds don't enhance "engagement", aslo known as addictive behaviors
[12:40]	Techrights-sec	Feeds don't enhance "engagement", aslo known as addictive behaviors
[12:41]	schestowitz-TR	RSS feeds => Inbox zero "OCD" at best
[12:41]	schestowitz-TR	RSS feeds => Inbox zero "OCD" at best
[12:41]	schestowitz-TR	infinite scoll is heroin
[12:41]	schestowitz-TR	infinite scoll is heroin
[12:45]	schestowitz-TR	infinite scroll = soft (or non) boundaries
[12:45]	schestowitz-TR	infinite scroll = soft (or non) boundaries
[12:45]	schestowitz-TR	index/rss reader = hard boundaries, even if you infinitely refresh over and over again, like email
[12:45]	schestowitz-TR	index/rss reader = hard boundaries, even if you infinitely refresh over and over again, like email
[12:45]	schestowitz-TR	not great, but it's like vomiting after drinking too much, rathr than going numb and passing out/dying from OD
[12:45]	schestowitz-TR	not great, but it's like vomiting after drinking too much, rathr than going numb and passing out/dying from OD
[12:45]	schestowitz-TR	(possible, but rare)
[12:45]	schestowitz-TR	(possible, but rare)
[12:45]	schestowitz-TR	hedges have been bouncing from one burning platfoprm to the next for over a decade
[12:45]	schestowitz-TR	hedges have been bouncing from one burning platfoprm to the next for over a decade
[12:45]	schestowitz-TR	just like SJVN
[12:45]	schestowitz-TR	just like SJVN
[12:45]	schestowitz-TR	those people are the "clown computing" of journalism
[12:45]	schestowitz-TR	those people are the "clown computing" of journalism
[12:45]	Techrights-sec	scheerpost is parsable but does not have a concise summary in the body
[12:45]	Techrights-sec	scheerpost is parsable but does not have a concise summary in the body
[12:45]	Techrights-sec	it does have a one-line description though
[12:45]	Techrights-sec	it does have a one-line description though
[12:46]	schestowitz-TR	that should do
[12:46]	schestowitz-TR	that should do
[12:46]	Techrights-sec	ok 
[12:46]	Techrights-sec	ok 
[12:47]	Techrights-sec	check git
[12:47]	Techrights-sec	check git
[12:51]	schestowitz-TR	it is good that you just commented that out
[12:51]	schestowitz-TR	it is good that you just commented that out
[12:51]	schestowitz-TR	assuming it can improve one day
[12:51]	schestowitz-TR	assuming it can improve one day
[12:51]	schestowitz-TR	which is rare because
[12:51]	schestowitz-TR	which is rare because
[12:51]	schestowitz-TR	once it goes south it loses the audience 
[12:51]	schestowitz-TR	once it goes south it loses the audience 
[12:51]	schestowitz-TR	so it lose the potential of recovery
[12:51]	schestowitz-TR	so it lose the potential of recovery
[12:51]	schestowitz-TR	that means that orgs can, over time, get better
[12:51]	schestowitz-TR	that means that orgs can, over time, get better
[12:51]	schestowitz-TR	if they get worse, jump ship
[12:51]	schestowitz-TR	if they get worse, jump ship
[12:51]	schestowitz-TR	don't sink with it
[12:51]	schestowitz-TR	don't sink with it
[12:51]	schestowitz-TR	I cannot think of an org that recovered
[12:51]	schestowitz-TR	I cannot think of an org that recovered
[12:51]	schestowitz-TR	with osi it is an avalanche
[12:51]	schestowitz-TR	with osi it is an avalanche
[12:51]	schestowitz-TR	now people complain that even the election process itself is RIGGED
[12:51]	schestowitz-TR	now people complain that even the election process itself is RIGGED
[12:51]	schestowitz-TR	not merely technically cracked, defunct
[12:51]	schestowitz-TR	not merely technically cracked, defunct
[12:51]	schestowitz-TR	so the very machanism for self-repair has been mismantled by Gulag, ICBM and EpsteinPAC (MSFT)
[12:51]	schestowitz-TR	so the very machanism for self-repair has been mismantled by Gulag, ICBM and EpsteinPAC (MSFT)
[12:51]	Techrights-sec	applicable name for M$
[12:51]	Techrights-sec	applicable name for M$
[12:54]	schestowitz-TR	I would not call Microsoft anything other than Microsoft
[12:54]	schestowitz-TR	I would not call Microsoft anything other than Microsoft
[12:54]	schestowitz-TR	because they spent a fortune demonising people who do that
[12:54]	schestowitz-TR	because they spent a fortune demonising people who do that
[12:54]	schestowitz-TR	also, Epstein is a very loaded topic
[12:54]	schestowitz-TR	also, Epstein is a very loaded topic
[12:54]	schestowitz-TR	one could call it "the company founded by Jeffrey Epstein's close buddy" (or "enabler")
[12:54]	schestowitz-TR	one could call it "the company founded by Jeffrey Epstein's close buddy" (or "enabler")
[12:54]	schestowitz-TR	but it would be off-putting to some audience
[12:54]	schestowitz-TR	but it would be off-putting to some audience
[12:54]	schestowitz-TR	the "qanon" straw man helps portray any mention of high-profile pedophiles as 
[12:54]	schestowitz-TR	the "qanon" straw man helps portray any mention of high-profile pedophiles as 
[12:54]	schestowitz-TR	crackery
[12:54]	schestowitz-TR	crackery
[12:54]	schestowitz-TR	*crankery
[12:54]	schestowitz-TR	*crankery
[12:55]	Techrights-sec	yes the reputation management campaigns have made some movement in associating
[12:55]	Techrights-sec	yes the reputation management campaigns have made some movement in associating
[12:55]	Techrights-sec	*any* criticism of bill as being unfounded and derived from cranks
[12:55]	Techrights-sec	*any* criticism of bill as being unfounded and derived from cranks
[12:56]	schestowitz-TR	don't worry, that won't succeed
[12:56]	schestowitz-TR	don't worry, that won't succeed
[12:56]	schestowitz-TR	and it serves to remind people of the scandal he wishes people stopped talking about
[12:56]	schestowitz-TR	and it serves to remind people of the scandal he wishes people stopped talking about
[12:56]	schestowitz-TR	worse than a scandal
[12:56]	schestowitz-TR	worse than a scandal
[12:56]	schestowitz-TR	there should be an indictment, IMHO
[12:56]	schestowitz-TR	there should be an indictment, IMHO
[12:56]	schestowitz-TR	(maybe there is one, nbut sealed and with many strings pulled to stop it... like the FL prosecutor...
[12:56]	schestowitz-TR	(maybe there is one, nbut sealed and with many strings pulled to stop it... like the FL prosecutor...
[12:56]	schestowitz-TR	Costa? Acosta?)
[12:56]	schestowitz-TR	Costa? Acosta?)
[12:57]	Techrights-sec	https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/12/11/18134325/jeffrey-epstein-miami-herald-alex-acosta-trump
[12:57]	Techrights-sec	https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/12/11/18134325/jeffrey-epstein-miami-herald-alex-acosta-trump
[12:57]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Jeffrey Epstein case: Senate wants answers on Alex Acostas role - Vox
[12:57]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Jeffrey Epstein case: Senate wants answers on Alex Acostas role - Vox
[12:57]	Techrights-sec	https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/12/jeffrey-epstein-unanswered-questions.html
[12:57]	Techrights-sec	https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/12/jeffrey-epstein-unanswered-questions.html
[12:57]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-nymag.com | Jeffrey Epstein: 24 Unanswered Questions
[12:57]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-nymag.com | Jeffrey Epstein: 24 Unanswered Questions
● May 11
[13:04]	schestowitz-TR	lave it to BillPR (NPR) to paint the criminical as the victim
[13:04]	schestowitz-TR	lave it to BillPR (NPR) to paint the criminical as the victim
[13:04]	schestowitz-TR	"oh boy! I have COVID.... how much money did I make on this darn thing??"
[13:04]	schestowitz-TR	"oh boy! I have COVID.... how much money did I make on this darn thing??"
[13:04]	Techrights-sec	yep
[13:04]	Techrights-sec	yep
[13:04]	Techrights-sec	he was the one that cause the promise of royalty-free vaccines to be broken
[13:04]	Techrights-sec	he was the one that cause the promise of royalty-free vaccines to be broken
[13:05]	schestowitz-TR	and for me pointing that out I got banned from twitter for 3 months 
[13:05]	schestowitz-TR	and for me pointing that out I got banned from twitter for 3 months 
[13:05]	schestowitz-TR	(could be forever... all tweets became not visible, unlike now)
[13:05]	schestowitz-TR	(could be forever... all tweets became not visible, unlike now)
[13:05]	Techrights-sec	yep
[13:05]	Techrights-sec	yep
[13:07]	schestowitz-TR	maybe we should make a new name for Twitter
[13:07]	schestowitz-TR	maybe we should make a new name for Twitter
[13:07]	schestowitz-TR	There's social control media
[13:07]	schestowitz-TR	There's social control media
[13:07]	schestowitz-TR	and Twitter is the criminal network of social control nework 
[13:07]	schestowitz-TR	and Twitter is the criminal network of social control nework 
[13:07]	schestowitz-TR	MussKSA
[13:07]	schestowitz-TR	MussKSA
[13:07]	schestowitz-TR	to remind people what the owners think of free speech
[13:07]	schestowitz-TR	to remind people what the owners think of free speech
[13:07]	schestowitz-TR	chopping down journalists
[13:07]	schestowitz-TR	chopping down journalists
[13:07]	schestowitz-TR	soon with realDonaldTrump
[13:07]	schestowitz-TR	soon with realDonaldTrump
[13:07]	schestowitz-TR	calling for attacks on the government
[13:07]	schestowitz-TR	calling for attacks on the government
[13:07]	Techrights-sec	there's a lot of crossover between crime and politics, so trying to make 
[13:07]	Techrights-sec	a distinction might not be so useful
[13:07]	Techrights-sec	there's a lot of crossover between crime and politics, so trying to make 
[13:07]	Techrights-sec	a distinction might not be so useful
[13:07]	Techrights-sec	yes, the behavior was clearly illegal and breaking the highest laws of the land
[13:07]	Techrights-sec	yes, the behavior was clearly illegal and breaking the highest laws of the land
[13:07]	Techrights-sec	yet nothing happened, either online or in the courts
[13:07]	Techrights-sec	in response to the crimes
[13:07]	Techrights-sec	yet nothing happened, either online or in the courts
[13:07]	Techrights-sec	in response to the crimes
[13:10]	schestowitz-TR	in countries which fail to prosecute criminal there are terms for that
[13:10]	schestowitz-TR	in countries which fail to prosecute criminal there are terms for that
[13:10]	schestowitz-TR	formal names like "rogue nation"
[13:10]	schestowitz-TR	formal names like "rogue nation"
[13:10]	schestowitz-TR	bush names like "axis of evil"
[13:10]	schestowitz-TR	bush names like "axis of evil"
[13:10]	schestowitz-TR	or trump with "shithole countries"
[13:10]	schestowitz-TR	or trump with "shithole countries"
[13:10]	schestowitz-TR	I'm glad I don't live there. my sister regrete moving there, almost as soon as she had moved she felt that..
[13:10]	schestowitz-TR	I'm glad I don't live there. my sister regrete moving there, almost as soon as she had moved she felt that..
[13:10]	schestowitz-TR	and time did not change her mind
[13:10]	schestowitz-TR	and time did not change her mind
[13:10]	schestowitz-TR	she lives in "film" version of USA
[13:10]	schestowitz-TR	she lives in "film" version of USA
[13:10]	schestowitz-TR	not what's down on the ground
[13:10]	schestowitz-TR	not what's down on the ground
[13:10]	schestowitz-TR	USA spends a lot more in marketing than most other industries except maybe weapons
[13:10]	schestowitz-TR	USA spends a lot more in marketing than most other industries except maybe weapons
[13:10]	schestowitz-TR	(mostly because the arms are sold for like 10-100 times their production cost... graft_
[13:10]	schestowitz-TR	(mostly because the arms are sold for like 10-100 times their production cost... graft_
[13:10]	Techrights-sec	it was getting bad in the 1990s.  I cannot imaging how whacko it has gotten since
[13:10]	Techrights-sec	it was getting bad in the 1990s.  I cannot imaging how whacko it has gotten since
[13:10]	schestowitz-TR	)
[13:10]	schestowitz-TR	)
[13:13]	schestowitz-TR	a friend who travels a lot would have me assume life in china is no worse than in usa
[13:13]	schestowitz-TR	a friend who travels a lot would have me assume life in china is no worse than in usa
[13:13]	schestowitz-TR	but you know... marketing (or "social media" campaigns)
[13:13]	schestowitz-TR	but you know... marketing (or "social media" campaigns)
[13:13]	schestowitz-TR	japan... "aging population"
[13:13]	schestowitz-TR	japan... "aging population"
[13:13]	schestowitz-TR	misnomer for tackling overpopulation
[13:13]	schestowitz-TR	misnomer for tackling overpopulation
[13:13]	schestowitz-TR	as if nobody in the world would wish to work in japan and look after enderly people
[13:13]	schestowitz-TR	as if nobody in the world would wish to work in japan and look after enderly people
[13:13]	Techrights-sec	ack
[13:13]	Techrights-sec	there has been a sea change in values and attitude there, and much for the worse
[13:13]	Techrights-sec	ack
[13:13]	Techrights-sec	there has been a sea change in values and attitude there, and much for the worse
[13:13]	Techrights-sec	40 years ago the situation would have been unimaginable and scoffed at if
[13:13]	Techrights-sec	described; 
[13:13]	Techrights-sec	40 years ago the situation would have been unimaginable and scoffed at if
[13:13]	Techrights-sec	described; 
[13:22]	schestowitz-TR	<techrights-news> "WIPO has finally responded to the Debian vendetta, informing the overpaid lawyers at Charles Fussell (parody site) that their claim didn't even reach first base." http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164485#comment-33615
[13:22]	schestowitz-TR	<techrights-news> "WIPO has finally responded to the Debian vendetta, informing the overpaid lawyers at Charles Fussell (parody site) that their claim didn't even reach first base." http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164485#comment-33615
[13:22]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.tuxmachines.org | Debian Community News: Jonathan Cohen, Charles Fussell & Debian embezzlement | Tux Machines
[13:22]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.tuxmachines.org | Debian Community News: Jonathan Cohen, Charles Fussell & Debian embezzlement | Tux Machines
[13:23]	Techrights-sec	PH is now in worse trouble than it already had been and he only makes it worse
[13:23]	Techrights-sec	PH is now in worse trouble than it already had been and he only makes it worse
[13:23]	Techrights-sec	From what I read social control media had more than a small role in the 
[13:23]	Techrights-sec	situation
[13:23]	Techrights-sec	From what I read social control media had more than a small role in the 
[13:23]	Techrights-sec	situation
[13:25]	schestowitz-TR	From Truman to Trumpman
[13:25]	schestowitz-TR	From Truman to Trumpman
[13:25]	schestowitz-TR	same level of intellect
[13:25]	schestowitz-TR	same level of intellect
[13:25]	schestowitz-TR	or, a reflection oof nationmal IQ level
[13:25]	schestowitz-TR	or, a reflection oof nationmal IQ level
[13:25]	schestowitz-TR	apropos, ph is electing Ferdinand (jr.) Marcos BACK
[13:25]	schestowitz-TR	apropos, ph is electing Ferdinand (jr.) Marcos BACK
[13:25]	schestowitz-TR	I LOL so hard
[13:25]	schestowitz-TR	I LOL so hard
[13:25]	schestowitz-TR	yearning for the good days... of a mythical version of a dictator
[13:25]	schestowitz-TR	yearning for the good days... of a mythical version of a dictator
[13:25]	schestowitz-TR	yes, social conytrol media is lie amplifier
[13:25]	schestowitz-TR	yes, social conytrol media is lie amplifier
[13:25]	schestowitz-TR	so it favours liars like Trump
[13:25]	schestowitz-TR	so it favours liars like Trump
[13:25]	schestowitz-TR	and even Putin
[13:25]	schestowitz-TR	and even Putin
[13:25]	schestowitz-TR	but with Putin Twitter seems to have kicked off some "special treatment"
[13:25]	schestowitz-TR	but with Putin Twitter seems to have kicked off some "special treatment"
[13:25]	schestowitz-TR	they will soon unleash back a Russian candiate for 2024
[13:25]	schestowitz-TR	they will soon unleash back a Russian candiate for 2024
[13:26]	Techrights-sec	Interesting.  Sad that Debian project has been infiltrated to the extent that
[13:26]	Techrights-sec	Interesting.  Sad that Debian project has been infiltrated to the extent that
[13:26]	Techrights-sec	they play that game now.  It was clearly in trouble when they acquiesced       
[13:26]	Techrights-sec	they play that game now.  It was clearly in trouble when they acquiesced       
[13:26]	Techrights-sec	regarding 1 single person's call for systemd.  It wasn't even 4th choice IIRC
[13:26]	Techrights-sec	regarding 1 single person's call for systemd.  It wasn't even 4th choice IIRC
[13:26]	Techrights-sec	That candidate would be the same one as before
[13:26]	Techrights-sec	That candidate would be the same one as before
[13:32]	Techrights-sec	" There are no social media links here. Enjoy a friendly Citadel community instead. Or go outside. "
[13:32]	Techrights-sec	" There are no social media links here. Enjoy a friendly Citadel community instead. Or go outside. "
[13:32]	Techrights-sec	https://www.citadel.org/support.html
[13:32]	Techrights-sec	https://www.citadel.org/support.html
[13:32]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-citadel.org
[13:32]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-citadel.org
[13:32]	schestowitz-TR	"for everything else, there's masterslave"
[13:32]	schestowitz-TR	"for everything else, there's masterslave"
[13:58]	schestowitz-TR	a decade ago lunduke throw "antisemite" bombs at fabsh from linux outlaws
[13:58]	schestowitz-TR	a decade ago lunduke throw "antisemite" bombs at fabsh from linux outlaws
[13:58]	schestowitz-TR	now he does to a former employer, suse
[13:58]	schestowitz-TR	now he does to a former employer, suse
[13:58]	schestowitz-TR	get popcorn
[13:58]	schestowitz-TR	get popcorn
[13:58]	schestowitz-TR	maybe it'll become just as risky to hire people with religious beliefs 
[13:58]	schestowitz-TR	maybe it'll become just as risky to hire people with religious beliefs 
[13:58]	schestowitz-TR	as it is to hire feminists, trans etc.
[13:58]	schestowitz-TR	as it is to hire feminists, trans etc.
[13:58]	schestowitz-TR	you don't know how that's going to end up
[13:58]	schestowitz-TR	you don't know how that's going to end up
[13:58]	Techrights-sec	ack
[13:58]	Techrights-sec	ack
● May 11
[14:02]	Techrights-sec	One place I was working for and some not so bright managers that felt cornered
[14:02]	Techrights-sec	One place I was working for and some not so bright managers that felt cornered
[14:02]	Techrights-sec	because of one job candidate.  The candidate had gag orders on the previous
[14:02]	Techrights-sec	because of one job candidate.  The candidate had gag orders on the previous
[14:02]	Techrights-sec	three employers which was discovered when the committee called around. 
[14:02]	Techrights-sec	three employers which was discovered when the committee called around. 
[14:02]	Techrights-sec	The candidate then threatened to sue if she was not hired.  I don't know
[14:02]	Techrights-sec	The candidate then threatened to sue if she was not hired.  I don't know
[14:02]	Techrights-sec	how that one turned out as I was leaving at the time.  
[14:02]	Techrights-sec	how that one turned out as I was leaving at the time.  
[14:03]	schestowitz-TR	There must be a lot more to the story as it makes little sense on the surface
[14:03]	schestowitz-TR	There must be a lot more to the story as it makes little sense on the surface
[14:03]	schestowitz-TR	I was in this situation 3 days ago, so I spoke to Rianne's dad 
[14:03]	schestowitz-TR	I was in this situation 3 days ago, so I spoke to Rianne's dad 
[14:03]	schestowitz-TR	and he clarified what was going on, given the right questions 
[14:03]	schestowitz-TR	and he clarified what was going on, given the right questions 
[14:03]	schestowitz-TR	being asked (regarding a relative)
[14:03]	schestowitz-TR	being asked (regarding a relative)
[14:05]	Techrights-sec	Yes it is curious that he is compelled to bring up the subject now, after
[14:05]	Techrights-sec	Yes it is curious that he is compelled to bring up the subject now, after
[14:05]	Techrights-sec	so many years have gone by.
[14:05]	Techrights-sec	:)
[14:05]	Techrights-sec	so many years have gone by.
[14:05]	Techrights-sec	:)
[14:07]	schestowitz-TR	(nb: being a thorn on the side of aggressive lawyers who could not possibly do 
[14:07]	schestowitz-TR	(nb: being a thorn on the side of aggressive lawyers who could not possibly do 
[14:07]	schestowitz-TR	anything to you, with any legal basis, is a bonus in activism ;-) )
[14:07]	schestowitz-TR	anything to you, with any legal basis, is a bonus in activism ;-) )
[14:07]	schestowitz-TR	as I said, he did the same to fabsh
[14:07]	schestowitz-TR	as I said, he did the same to fabsh
[14:07]	schestowitz-TR	fabsh was livid a
[14:07]	schestowitz-TR	fabsh was livid a
[14:07]	schestowitz-TR	and he threatened to take action against me for merely mentioning what Lunduke published
[14:07]	schestowitz-TR	and then deleted, maybe under a day later
[14:07]	schestowitz-TR	and he threatened to take action against me for merely mentioning what Lunduke published
[14:07]	schestowitz-TR	and then deleted, maybe under a day later
[14:07]	schestowitz-TR	so lunduke might be one of those people with inner fear of germans
[14:07]	schestowitz-TR	so lunduke might be one of those people with inner fear of germans
[14:07]	schestowitz-TR	(I cannot totally blame him, in irc we have at least 2 people like that)
[14:07]	schestowitz-TR	(I cannot totally blame him, in irc we have at least 2 people like that)
[14:09]	schestowitz-TR	0/
[14:09]	schestowitz-TR	0/
[14:09]	schestowitz-TR	at some stage I shall do a second video about Debian TM action
[14:09]	schestowitz-TR	at some stage I shall do a second video about Debian TM action
[14:09]	schestowitz-TR	but quite likely when the action ends 
[14:09]	schestowitz-TR	but quite likely when the action ends 
[14:09]	schestowitz-TR	in the meantime I use tuxmachines to amass the material 
[14:09]	schestowitz-TR	in the meantime I use tuxmachines to amass the material 
[14:12]	schestowitz-TR	aterial 
[14:12]	schestowitz-TR	aterial 
[14:12]	schestowitz-TR	bottom line is, lunduke adnd libreboot dev are people you should be super-careful inm hiring
[14:12]	schestowitz-TR	bottom line is, lunduke adnd libreboot dev are people you should be super-careful inm hiring
[14:12]	schestowitz-TR	because you never know how that might end up
[14:12]	schestowitz-TR	because you never know how that might end up
[14:12]	schestowitz-TR	they openly signal this lack of loyalty  and I could give other example of very erratic people (Lunduke = ex -MSFT)
[14:12]	schestowitz-TR	they openly signal this lack of loyalty  and I could give other example of very erratic people (Lunduke = ex -MSFT)
● May 11
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[16:04]	schestowitz-TR	https://nitter.nocturn9x.space/zoobab/status/1524392704553148417#m
[16:04]	schestowitz-TR	https://nitter.nocturn9x.space/zoobab/status/1524392704553148417#m
[16:04]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-nitter.nocturn9x.space | zoobab "NO Software Patents" (@zoobab): ""International Blackmail Machine (IBM) is still lobbying for software patents and is still weaponising software patents, even in courts; what does that mean for a company like RedHat, which kept assuring us that theres no need to worry about its patents?" http://techrights.org/2022/05/09/big-blue-bully/" | Nocturn9x - Nitter
[16:04]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-nitter.nocturn9x.space | zoobab "NO Software Patents" (@zoobab): ""International Blackmail Machine (IBM) is still lobbying for software patents and is still weaponising software patents, even in courts; what does that mean for a company like RedHat, which kept assuring us that theres no need to worry about its patents?" http://techrights.org/2022/05/09/big-blue-bully/" | Nocturn9x - Nitter
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[17:48]	Techrights-sec	yes, lunduke is known to fall into recidivism from time to time, despite
[17:48]	Techrights-sec	formally having left M$ long ago   
[17:48]	Techrights-sec	yes, lunduke is known to fall into recidivism from time to time, despite
[17:48]	Techrights-sec	formally having left M$ long ago   
● May 11
[18:20]	schestowitz	http://techrights.org/2021/03/13/epoleaks-report-march-2021-part-4/
[18:20]	schestowitz	http://techrights.org/2021/03/13/epoleaks-report-march-2021-part-4/
[18:20]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | EPO and Microsoft Collude to Break the Law Part IV: The US CLOUD Act Passes Without Public Debate | Techrights
[18:20]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | EPO and Microsoft Collude to Break the Law Part IV: The US CLOUD Act Passes Without Public Debate | Techrights
● May 11
[19:18]	schestowitz-TR	<techrights-news> Canonical is ONCE again promoting WINDOWS http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164704#comment-33623
[19:18]	schestowitz-TR	<techrights-news> Canonical is ONCE again promoting WINDOWS http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164704#comment-33623
[19:18]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.tuxmachines.org | Canonical/Ubuntu Leftovers | Tux Machines
[19:18]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.tuxmachines.org | Canonical/Ubuntu Leftovers | Tux Machines
[19:18]	schestowitz-TR	worth doing a video on this topic (again)?
[19:18]	schestowitz-TR	worth doing a video on this topic (again)?
[19:18]	Techrights-sec	I think so.  Especially in light of the staff lineup.  
[19:18]	Techrights-sec	I think so.  Especially in light of the staff lineup.  
[19:19]	schestowitz-TR	I know about the IPO talk (liquidation), but did they hire more from Microsoft?
[19:19]	schestowitz-TR	I know about the IPO talk (liquidation), but did they hire more from Microsoft?
[19:19]	schestowitz-TR	This author is new to me, I did not check his background, he keeps shilling Windows
[19:19]	schestowitz-TR	This author is new to me, I did not check his background, he keeps shilling Windows
[19:19]	schestowitz-TR	after Barnes left the company
[19:19]	schestowitz-TR	after Barnes left the company
[19:19]	schestowitz-TR	and the lady with Roy in her name I've not seen in ages, either
[19:19]	schestowitz-TR	and the lady with Roy in her name I've not seen in ages, either
[19:21]	schestowitz-TR	"Product Manager"
[19:21]	schestowitz-TR	"Product Manager"
[19:21]	schestowitz-TR	His first post Oct 19 2021
[19:21]	schestowitz-TR	His first post Oct 19 2021
[19:22]	schestowitz-TR	his name is so generic I'd not find it easy to locate past employment
[19:22]	schestowitz-TR	Oliver Smith
[19:22]	schestowitz-TR	with a "twiust"
[19:22]	schestowitz-TR	his name is so generic I'd not find it easy to locate past employment
[19:22]	schestowitz-TR	Oliver Smith
[19:22]	schestowitz-TR	with a "twiust"
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