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Techrights-sec2 | can SFTP be used instead? | Jun 11 08:11 |
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Techrights-sec2 | # df -h /home/roy/temp/ | Jun 11 08:11 |
Techrights-sec2 | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on | Jun 11 08:11 |
Techrights-sec2 | /dev/sdb1 7.0G 24K 6.7G 1% /home/roy/temp | Jun 11 08:11 |
Techrights-sec2 | I've put a detachable USB stick there temporarily | Jun 11 08:11 |
schestowitz-TR | the files (2 of them) are not on this machine but the camera | Jun 11 08:12 |
schestowitz-TR | they are old photos anyway | Jun 11 08:12 |
Techrights-sec2 | can they be transferred via an intermediary system? | Jun 11 08:12 |
schestowitz-TR | yes, but there is really nothing special about then | Jun 11 08:13 |
schestowitz-TR | *them | Jun 11 08:13 |
schestowitz-TR | I just popped them off the queue when I realised smtp had failed | Jun 11 08:13 |
Techrights-sec2 | ok | Jun 11 08:13 |
Techrights-sec2 | STMP fails a lot | Jun 11 08:13 |
Techrights-sec2 | as mentioned many times, e-mail is not a surrogate for a file sharing system | Jun 11 08:17 |
Techrights-sec2 | but when M$ killed Novell's Netware, they then followed up by attacking and | Jun 11 08:17 |
Techrights-sec2 | destroying even the phrase file sharing such that no business can really do | Jun 11 08:17 |
Techrights-sec2 | it any more, technically, and lack the political will to even try since it | Jun 11 08:17 |
Techrights-sec2 | would mean an escape from M$ | Jun 11 08:17 |
schestowitz-TR | draft | Jun 11 08:23 |
schestowitz-TR | rianne got the url working at the end, chocolatre was uppsercase, but should be lowercase | Jun 11 08:23 |
schestowitz-TR | she saw other recipes and is on holiday from work today, so will bake instead | Jun 11 08:23 |
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Techrights-sec2 | excellent | Jun 11 08:27 |
Techrights-sec2 | this time of year the coconut or lemon pies are quite good to have | Jun 11 08:27 |
Techrights-sec2 | the lemon (meringue) is work though | Jun 11 08:27 |
Techrights-sec2 | i found that if you start the mixer on low while beating the meringue the | Jun 11 08:27 |
Techrights-sec2 | bubbles are smaller and thus the foam sturdier | Jun 11 08:27 |
schestowitz-TR | depending on the weather, we might cycle again, she has a percel to send | Jun 11 08:28 |
schestowitz-TR | but too early to tell | Jun 11 08:28 |
schestowitz-TR | the video processed overnight, I'll get is out of thee way, then do links | Jun 11 08:28 |
Techrights-sec2 | bicycling is always good | Jun 11 08:35 |
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schestowitz-TR | https://nitter.it/JRepin/status/1535558218667241474#m | Jun 11 11:15 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Jure Repinc (Mastodon: @JRepin@mstdn.io) (@JRepin): "Also, if you are interested in some English texts on copyright/patents/privacy in Slovenia the articles by @schestowitz on Tech Rights are quite a good read: http://techrights.org/index.php?s=Slovenia+Slovenian+Slovene"|nitter.it | Jun 11 11:15 | |
schestowitz-TR | topics needed ;-) | Jun 11 13:13 |
schestowitz-TR | see latest on wipo and debian | Jun 11 13:13 |
schestowitz-TR | getting interesting | Jun 11 13:13 |
Techrights-sec2 | There were some Debian items in the links recently | Jun 11 13:14 |
schestowitz-TR | there is more today, you can see some background in techrights irc logs | Jun 11 13:14 |
Techrights-sec2 | There were some Debian items in the links recently | Jun 11 13:20 |
Techrights-sec2 | Google is misusing its web browser dominance to e=try to eliminate | Jun 11 13:20 |
Techrights-sec2 | certain type of plug-ins like "ad-blockers". With Baker and Mozilla so damn | Jun 11 13:20 |
Techrights-sec2 | dependent, intentionally, on Google's money Firefox will probably soon to | Jun 11 13:20 |
Techrights-sec2 | ^toe | Jun 11 13:20 |
Techrights-sec2 | that line | Jun 11 13:20 |
schestowitz-TR | regulag, (re gulga) I saw several articles to that effect in recent days, one sent by you | Jun 11 13:23 |
schestowitz-TR | I say to people, move to librewolf | Jun 11 13:23 |
schestowitz-TR | assuming they use firefox | Jun 11 13:23 |
schestowitz-TR | what worries me though is that out of the box librewolf subscribes VERY strictly to the CA cartel mindset | Jun 11 13:23 |
Techrights-sec2 | retreating (by moving to librewolf) won't make a dent in the market share | Jun 11 13:26 |
Techrights-sec2 | and allows them to continue to corner the browser market | Jun 11 13:26 |
schestowitz-TR | but what, like Gal said years ago, Chrome won [sic] and I think it's too late to expect a Firefox/Gecko rebound | Jun 11 13:28 |
schestowitz-TR | XUL is mostly dead and buried, thunderbird killed off many useful extensions that I use, and I think | Jun 11 13:28 |
schestowitz-TR | an approach like Gemini is worth investing in, e.g. by creating ore tools for it | Jun 11 13:28 |
schestowitz-TR | our www proxy, for example, shows you can focus on gemini and still present near pages to the web users | Jun 11 13:28 |
schestowitz-TR | with no extra effort | Jun 11 13:28 |
schestowitz-TR | yes for the most part FF is gone | Jun 11 13:30 |
schestowitz-TR | especially while Baker is still ostensibly at the helm | Jun 11 13:30 |
schestowitz-TR | yes, Gemini is quite valuable | Jun 11 13:30 |
schestowitz-TR | apropos your post from the other day: https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=22/06/10/1242257 | Jun 11 13:30 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-soylentnews.org | The Code: Story of GNU and Linux (2001) Complete Documentary - SoylentNews | Jun 11 13:30 | |
Techrights-sec2 | yes for the most part FF is gone | Jun 11 13:30 |
Techrights-sec2 | especially while Baker is still ostensibly at the helm | Jun 11 13:30 |
Techrights-sec2 | yes, Gemini is quite valuable | Jun 11 13:30 |
Techrights-sec2 | apropos your post from the other day: https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=22/06/10/1242257 | Jun 11 13:30 |
schestowitz-TR | go to the official mozilal blog | Jun 11 13:31 |
schestowitz-TR | check the latest blog post | Jun 11 13:31 |
schestowitz-TR | this is what LF does too | Jun 11 13:31 |
schestowitz-TR | I'd rather not even say what I think | Jun 11 13:31 |
schestowitz-TR | same for the sysadmin we have, a brilliant, caring, very nice person... but I'd rather not say anything about other stuff | Jun 11 13:31 |
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Techrights-sec2 | wtf? the mozilla blog is no longer about the WWW | Jun 11 13:39 |
schestowitz-TR | they did several blog posts like this the past week alone | Jun 11 13:41 |
schestowitz-TR | maybe they reckon their market share is so small already that they might as well use a niche's identity poilitics | Jun 11 13:41 |
Techrights-sec2 | it just limits them further | Jun 11 13:41 |
schestowitz-TR | "Mozilla will be represented on the WHATWG Steering Group by Tantek elik going forward." https://annevankesteren.nl/2022/06/after-mozilla | Jun 11 13:43 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-annevankesteren.nl | After Mozilla — Anne’s Blog | Jun 11 13:43 | |
schestowitz-TR | see the departure post as well, a day earlier | Jun 11 13:43 |
schestowitz-TR | read between the lines | Jun 11 13:43 |
Techrights-sec2 | Who / what is tantek elik? | Jun 11 13:46 |
schestowitz-TR | ytalk chomps the (I think) Turkish character | Jun 11 13:50 |
schestowitz-TR | Tantek was well known in the early blog era | Jun 11 13:50 |
schestowitz-TR | he was well regarded as Mr. Technorati | Jun 11 13:50 |
schestowitz-TR | where we would find other blog posts by topics etc. | Jun 11 13:50 |
schestowitz-TR | That Tantek ended up in Mozilla some years ago says a lot | Jun 11 13:50 |
schestowitz-TR | about his demise | Jun 11 13:50 |
schestowitz-TR | like Sternberg joining Mozilla | Jun 11 13:50 |
schestowitz-TR | he left years ago, but wolfssl isn't much betteer | Jun 11 13:50 |
schestowitz-TR | but I guess they needed a salary | Jun 11 13:50 |
schestowitz-TR | and they are given freedom and access through these orgs | Jun 11 13:50 |
schestowitz-TR | Mozilla lost many others too | Jun 11 13:50 |
schestowitz-TR | iirc, dennies schuberg (de) from joindiaspor also left | Jun 11 13:50 |
schestowitz-TR | Schubert | Jun 11 13:50 |
schestowitz-TR | *Dennis | Jun 11 13:50 |
schestowitz-TR | A lot of the Web is collapsing | Jun 11 13:51 |
schestowitz-TR | while few malicious compsnies pocket some ad revenue here and there | Jun 11 13:51 |
schestowitz-TR | or just weaponise the Web to advance some imperial agenda | Jun 11 13:51 |
schestowitz-TR | subsidised by debt or real produce, such as agriculture | Jun 11 13:51 |
schestowitz-TR | or oil/gaS (rUSSIA) | Jun 11 13:51 |
schestowitz-TR | names are VERY important to remember | Jun 11 13:53 |
schestowitz-TR | they are like ID or barcode for certain topicsa | Jun 11 13:53 |
schestowitz-TR | if you forget the name, you can struggle to find relevant idea or information | Jun 11 13:53 |
schestowitz-TR | like "what's his name" who said X | Jun 11 13:53 |
schestowitz-TR | "shit, I don't even know his first name... don't know what to search for... something "politics"... Russia.... TOO BROAD" | Jun 11 13:53 |
schestowitz-TR | Names are more unique | Jun 11 13:53 |
schestowitz-TR | it is not your fault when their namne is very common, but making files with lists of people can help | Jun 11 13:57 |
schestowitz-TR | about a decade ago I exported the list of contacts, inc. email (this was POSSIBLE), from linkedin | Jun 11 13:57 |
schestowitz-TR | Those included some old university friends | Jun 11 13:57 |
schestowitz-TR | the email addresses might perish, but the names aree important | Jun 11 13:57 |
schestowitz-TR | we did not have yearbooks for uni | Jun 11 13:57 |
schestowitz-TR | a lot of old names and old literature is obsolete | Jun 11 14:01 |
schestowitz-TR | but being able to resurrect hard-to-find old facts helps | Jun 11 14:01 |
schestowitz-TR | esp. when you are the only/last person left with such data, and can prove something | Jun 11 14:01 |
schestowitz-TR | or make a point | Jun 11 14:01 |
schestowitz-TR | technical debt is a thing that now impacts "e" libraries | Jun 11 14:01 |
schestowitz-TR | and almost nobody talks about it | Jun 11 14:01 |
schestowitz-TR | even physical libraries might perish completerly | Jun 11 14:01 |
schestowitz-TR | so unique book IDs and full detailed refs with page numbers and everything might be just that: | Jun 11 14:01 |
schestowitz-TR | title, page, author | Jun 11 14:01 |
schestowitz-TR | but no actual access to the material cited | Jun 11 14:01 |
schestowitz | https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/24194-never-memorize-something-that-you-can-look-up | Jun 11 14:02 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.goodreads.com | Quote by Albert Einstein: “Never memorize something that you can look up.” | Jun 11 14:02 | |
schestowitz-TR | bbig rant: my dad is full of BS on Russia and China, spent an hour arguing politely on the phone today | Jun 11 14:05 |
schestowitz-TR | he seems to forget very easily some key historic events or is not properly familiar | Jun 11 14:05 |
schestowitz-TR | with them | Jun 11 14:05 |
schestowitz-TR | and he's bad at admitting he might be wrong | Jun 11 14:05 |
Techrights-sec2 | probably he is unfamiliar with the historical facts | Jun 11 14:06 |
Techrights-sec2 | digging one's heels in only makes the error worse and that's what social | Jun 11 14:06 |
Techrights-sec2 | control media exacerbates terribly: people are fed shit at the first possible | Jun 11 14:06 |
Techrights-sec2 | opportunity and they take it to heart and adopt it as their world view, | Jun 11 14:06 |
Techrights-sec2 | then as facts come to light they refuse to update their position and worldview | Jun 11 14:06 |
schestowitz-TR | it used to be a problem before social control media | Jun 11 14:08 |
schestowitz-TR | when it was word of mouth | Jun 11 14:08 |
schestowitz-TR | but social control media spreads these thingss quadratically | Jun 11 14:08 |
schestowitz-TR | when broadcast TV you could more or less conmtain baseless hearsay | Jun 11 14:08 |
schestowitz-TR | and peple spoke to one person at a time | Jun 11 14:08 |
schestowitz-TR | i.e. it was linear, not quadratic | Jun 11 14:08 |
Techrights-sec2 | yes but word of mouth was slower, with social control media, various | Jun 11 14:10 |
Techrights-sec2 | interests can stake out a position very quickly in advance of any upcoming | Jun 11 14:10 |
Techrights-sec2 | debate and effectively poison the well | Jun 11 14:10 |
Techrights-sec2 | a big difference was that, at least in most countries, when there were | Jun 11 14:10 |
Techrights-sec2 | only a few channels available only via broadcast television, there was | Jun 11 14:10 |
Techrights-sec2 | great effort expended to stick to facts and only the facts and avoid | Jun 11 14:10 |
Techrights-sec2 | opinions from anyone even those who were interviewed | Jun 11 14:10 |
schestowitz-TR | <techrights-news> Wait! What happened to RSS?! • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165889 | Jun 11 14:33 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.tuxmachines.org | Wait! What happened to RSS?! | Tux Machines | Jun 11 14:33 | |
schestowitz-TR | <techrights-news> Wait! What happened to RSS?! Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165889 | Jun 11 14:35 |
schestowitz-TR | OSOR sued to have rss feeds | Jun 11 14:35 |
schestowitz-TR | when the drupal 'redesign' totally killed these off I asked givs (some dutch/.belgian name) what would happen | Jun 11 14:35 |
schestowitz-TR | he never got back to me | Jun 11 14:35 |
schestowitz-TR | mind the last sentence there about EU action | Jun 11 14:35 |
schestowitz-TR | the wwww as useless nonsense | Jun 11 14:35 |
schestowitz-TR | a bunch of "apps" ("platforms") | Jun 11 14:35 |
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schestowitz-TR | history shows that when something gets killed off it almost nnever comes back again | Jun 11 14:36 |
schestowitz-TR | it's not how it works | Jun 11 14:36 |
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schestowitz-TR | rss won't make a comeback/rivival | Jun 11 14:36 |
schestowitz-TR | revival | Jun 11 14:36 |
schestowitz-TR | tghere would be no mopmentum to it | Jun 11 14:36 |
schestowitz-TR | it's not "addictive" enough | Jun 11 14:36 |
schestowitz-TR | and RSS businesses won't get "angel investors" | Jun 11 14:37 |
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Techrights-sec2 | too much of what's left ofthe net is not just about centralized service | Jun 11 14:47 |
Techrights-sec2 | monopolies but also about farming addictive behaviors | Jun 11 14:47 |
Techrights-sec2 | through intentionally designed addictive interfaces | Jun 11 14:47 |
schestowitz-TR | it is gamification of sorts | Jun 11 14:50 |
schestowitz-TR | some good posts in gemini lately | Jun 11 14:51 |
schestowitz-TR | about people's pov on the www | Jun 11 14:51 |
schestowitz-TR | they speak of it as outsiders or recovering ex addicts | Jun 11 14:51 |
schestowitz-TR | there was a time, not too long ago, when you could run a blog like techrunch and sell it for a long of money | Jun 11 14:51 |
schestowitz-TR | now you would just shut the same thins for financial reason | Jun 11 14:51 |
schestowitz-TR | like omalik/gigaom | Jun 11 14:51 |
schestowitz-TR | to name one example | Jun 11 14:51 |
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Techrights-sec2 | yes the political dynamics regarding the control of public discourse have | Jun 11 14:57 |
Techrights-sec2 | changed drastically since the metastasization of social control media | Jun 11 14:57 |
Techrights-sec2 | througout society and through, especially, the shell that is left of | Jun 11 14:57 |
Techrights-sec2 | journalism | Jun 11 14:57 |
Techrights-sec2 | gamification is just a way of exploiting addictive behaviors through addictive interfaces and monetizing the farmed "behaviors" | Jun 11 14:57 |
Techrights-sec2 | which people "emit" there | Jun 11 14:57 |
schestowitz-TR | "gamification" is the term used by the perpatrators themselves | Jun 11 14:57 |
schestowitz-TR | not me | Jun 11 14:57 |
schestowitz-TR | but I did experiuence game addiction when I was young | Jun 11 14:57 |
schestowitz-TR | the sense of progress or getting the upper handover other | Jun 11 14:57 |
schestowitz-TR | and starting to blieve this game you care about so much really matter | Jun 11 14:57 |
schestowitz-TR | or will received widespread recognitoon | Jun 11 14:57 |
schestowitz-TR | kind of like twitter | Jun 11 14:57 |
schestowitz-TR | to many people it is what tiktok is to me | Jun 11 14:57 |
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schestowitz-TR | a personl with many patents judges others by # of patents | Jun 11 15:09 |
schestowitz-TR | a person with many publications assumes the worth of a scholar is weighed sum of pub impact factor erc. | Jun 11 15:09 |
schestowitz-TR | a person who write code might assess the importance and size of projects/programs | Jun 11 15:09 |
schestowitz-TR | a person who thinks some silly corporate game matter to society (like Kim Dotcom) will get obese and lazy | Jun 11 15:09 |
schestowitz-TR | a person who spends 24/7 in FB thinks a popularity of a person is # of likes, "friends" etc. | Jun 11 15:09 |
schestowitz-TR | A saners person has balance | Jun 11 15:09 |
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schestowitz-TR | (note: good scholars do a lot of teaching too. Since 2005 many acaemic papers were ready by maybe a few dozens, past ther abstract, so a classrom | Jun 11 15:12 |
schestowitz-TR | listening for 40 minutes can have more impact than a paper taken 3 months to produce) | Jun 11 15:12 |
schestowitz-TR | that's partly the reaosn academia did not appeal to me | Jun 11 15:12 |
schestowitz-TR | it felt like a dying profession and dead end | Jun 11 15:12 |
schestowitz-TR | of course you also get the opccasional "fun" of marking up exams, a motoric, repetitive job | Jun 11 15:13 |
Techrights-sec2 | since the Bologne Agreement that has been the case, that more or less was | Jun 11 15:14 |
Techrights-sec2 | a death blow to the institution as it had existed, at least in Europe | Jun 11 15:14 |
schestowitz-TR | they have made some propaganda films like beatiuful mind about john nmash to entice or lure in some people into acadeia | Jun 11 15:14 |
schestowitz-TR | but that is a mostly mythical version of what it's like, even if you make it into the redbrick league in the us of a | Jun 11 15:14 |
Techrights-sec2 | that was not academia, Nash was a street person venerated by MBAs because | Jun 11 15:17 |
Techrights-sec2 | he told them what they wanted to promote at that particular moment, | Jun 11 15:17 |
Techrights-sec2 | they also lie about him getting a Nobel Prize when in reality he was | Jun 11 15:17 |
Techrights-sec2 | rewarded with a non-scientific bankster gimmick | Jun 11 15:17 |
Techrights-sec2 | masquerading as an honor | Jun 11 15:17 |
schestowitz-TR | iirc, his dissertation was astyoundingly short | Jun 11 15:18 |
schestowitz-TR | like 30 pages? | Jun 11 15:18 |
schestowitz-TR | and they hail that as a "success" story | Jun 11 15:18 |
Techrights-sec2 | yep and in some countries that level of superficiality has become the norm | Jun 11 15:19 |
Techrights-sec2 | you read them and thing, good start but where is the substance and research? | Jun 11 15:19 |
Techrights-sec2 | the banksters again hail that as a success story for the same reason | Jun 11 15:19 |
Techrights-sec2 | the promote their own prize and pretend that it has any intellectual significance | Jun 11 15:19 |
schestowitz-TR | Turing Machine => drop dead, after we used you for ENIGMA | Jun 11 15:20 |
schestowitz-TR | Cold War PR => here, have this honour and Hollywood film | Jun 11 15:20 |
schestowitz-TR | reading comments on "non-recprocal licencing" and the scoring of that comment in particular, I see social contron media | Jun 11 15:25 |
schestowitz-TR | earlier today I linked to an articles about RSS | Jun 11 15:25 |
schestowitz-TR | I have put that in the FP of TM | Jun 11 15:25 |
schestowitz-TR | but towards the end he boasts that he reads 'hacker' 'news' | Jun 11 15:26 |
schestowitz-TR | I assume over RSS | Jun 11 15:26 |
schestowitz-TR | without bothering to think who curates it | Jun 11 15:26 |
schestowitz-TR | that's not rss feeds | Jun 11 15:26 |
schestowitz-TR | that's social control media or "platform"/centrlisation that ALSO has RSS feeds to rope people in | Jun 11 15:26 |
schestowitz-TR | in geminispace | Jun 11 15:26 |
schestowitz-TR | there would be a new page | Jun 11 15:26 |
schestowitz-TR | "Re: Licence" | Jun 11 15:26 |
schestowitz-TR | it would contain a proper post and then no score associated with it | Jun 11 15:26 |
schestowitz-TR | it stands out on its own | Jun 11 15:26 |
schestowitz-TR | no moderators | Jun 11 15:26 |
schestowitz-TR | and those who follow that capsule can read it, unadulterated | Jun 11 15:26 |
schestowitz-TR | that's how we did blogging in 2004 | Jun 11 15:26 |
schestowitz-TR | sometimes with "trackbacks" or "pingbacks' | Jun 11 15:26 |
Techrights-sec2 | correct | Jun 11 15:27 |
Techrights-sec2 | that would be social control but via RSS as a novelty | Jun 11 15:27 |
schestowitz-TR | combative "ideas wars" might be OK | Jun 11 15:27 |
schestowitz-TR | piutting everyone in the same stage does not work | Jun 11 15:27 |
schestowitz-TR | the "moderator" is put there by the platform owner, e.g. TV conglemerate | Jun 11 15:27 |
Techrights-sec2 | ack | Jun 11 15:27 |
schestowitz-TR | and so there's no room for everyoner to speak as equal | Jun 11 15:27 |
schestowitz-TR | there can also be mobbing/grouping | Jun 11 15:27 |
schestowitz-TR | which begets self-censorship | Jun 11 15:27 |
schestowitz-TR | I said in 2009 ish I'd stop leaving commetns in othwer people's blogs | Jun 11 15:31 |
schestowitz-TR | imposters became an issue | Jun 11 15:31 |
schestowitz-TR | and Groklaw's Pamela Jones had the same problem | Jun 11 15:31 |
schestowitz-TR | so she had said she would not comment | Jun 11 15:31 |
schestowitz-TR | and any comment is thus presumed imposter | Jun 11 15:31 |
schestowitz-TR | of course it's tragic what happened to all her work | Jun 11 15:31 |
schestowitz-TR | someone even pretended to be me and called people nazis | Jun 11 15:31 |
schestowitz-TR | or pretended to be one | Jun 11 15:31 |
schestowitz-TR | I recently worried about neonazis in our irc network pushing some limits | Jun 11 15:31 |
schestowitz-TR | but they self-vanished | Jun 11 15:31 |
schestowitz-TR | that puts some people off regardless | Jun 11 15:31 |
Techrights-sec2 | yes she did | Jun 11 15:31 |
Techrights-sec2 | or at least no comments under a recognized name | Jun 11 15:31 |
Techrights-sec2 | too bad her site got only partially archived | Jun 11 15:31 |
Techrights-sec2 | maybe the good parts which remain accessible there would be a good topic | Jun 11 15:31 |
Techrights-sec2 | for a post some time | Jun 11 15:31 |
Techrights-sec2 | yes | Jun 11 15:31 |
schestowitz-TR | the full site DB is still there somewhere | Jun 11 15:34 |
schestowitz-TR | frozen in time | Jun 11 15:34 |
schestowitz-TR | read-only | Jun 11 15:34 |
schestowitz-TR | but.. | Jun 11 15:34 |
schestowitz-TR | I have not kept up with how geeklog is maintained for longterm "longin the tooth" users | Jun 11 15:34 |
schestowitz-TR | there is usually some tightly-knit community that hacks on the code to race past php version upgrades | Jun 11 15:34 |
schestowitz-TR | I did that a few times myself, even as recently as months ago | Jun 11 15:34 |
schestowitz-TR | sometimes it's just the same change in many lines | Jun 11 15:35 |
schestowitz-TR | extends the lifetime | Jun 11 15:35 |
schestowitz-TR | this Groklaw DB also contains ALL the "News Picks" (if that's what she called them, I do not remember anymore) | Jun 11 15:35 |
schestowitz-TR | there must be many thousands there, with her commentary added | Jun 11 15:35 |
schestowitz-TR | Techrighs reproduced some, but not all | Jun 11 15:35 |
Techrights-sec2 | yes but abandoned more or less | Jun 11 15:35 |
Techrights-sec2 | It's going on 10 years now since Groklaw shut down, and the SCO case is still | Jun 11 15:35 |
Techrights-sec2 | festering | Jun 11 15:35 |
schestowitz-TR | we need to spent less time producing and more time strategising I think | Jun 11 15:37 |
schestowitz-TR | on both technical and editorial grounds | Jun 11 15:37 |
schestowitz-TR | sometimes the sites become irrelevant or sell out because they are too impulsive | Jun 11 15:37 |
schestowitz-TR | money, trends, clickbait etc. | Jun 11 15:37 |
schestowitz-TR | fsf is become "news desert" (sad to say) | Jun 11 15:37 |
schestowitz-TR | *becoming | Jun 11 15:37 |
Techrights-sec2 | yes that has been a problem, and as a paying member I am rather annoyed that | Jun 11 15:38 |
Techrights-sec2 | they are keeping members in the dark | Jun 11 15:38 |
schestowitz-TR | fig wrote about it about 3 years ago | Jun 11 15:38 |
schestowitz-TR | "member fodder" irc was his term | Jun 11 15:38 |
Techrights-sec2 | yes they made a point of not benefiting from or to the membership | Jun 11 15:40 |
Techrights-sec2 | I probably won't donate to them this year, especially if nothing improves | Jun 11 15:40 |
Techrights-sec2 | on their part regarding membership news and active work by staff | Jun 11 15:40 |
schestowitz-TR | Liam Dawe told me (when you suggesting resorting to Patreon) that the one lesson he learned from his experience | Jun 11 15:40 |
schestowitz-TR | in GamingOnLinux is that you MUST offer SOME benefits to people who choose to pay | Jun 11 15:40 |
Techrights-sec2 | yes there must be some benefits, not necessarily exclusive benefits but | Jun 11 15:41 |
Techrights-sec2 | something better than just flushing the money away | Jun 11 15:41 |
schestowitz-TR | <techrights-news> The Harsh reality of living offgrid. gemini://atyh.net/post-2022-06-11-the-harsh-reality-of-living-offrid.gmi "The most difficult part of living offgrid has nothing to do with the work, equipment, and life habits required to live off grid." | Jun 11 15:48 |
Techrights-sec2 | ack | Jun 11 15:55 |
schestowitz-TR | coming 2 weeks will be busy in epo as meetings approach (3 meetings) | Jun 11 16:06 |
schestowitz-TR | so will keep hands free of freesw topics unless there is a lot of unused time at hand | Jun 11 16:06 |
schestowitz-TR | our company's direction (at work) is challenged by me, but another person does the same | Jun 11 16:06 |
schestowitz-TR | they don't seem to grasp the concept of client confidence and skill retention | Jun 11 16:06 |
schestowitz-TR | they want OPTICS, instead | Jun 11 16:06 |
Techrights-sec2 | ack | Jun 11 16:06 |
Techrights-sec2 | important to collaborate with that other person then | Jun 11 16:07 |
schestowitz-TR | no, it would be problematic because she sleeps with someone who is close to the boss | Jun 11 16:08 |
schestowitz-TR | and is generally doing that for other motivations | Jun 11 16:08 |
schestowitz-TR | sorry, not "she" | Jun 11 16:08 |
schestowitz-TR | she goes by "they" | Jun 11 16:08 |
schestowitz-TR | (not taking the piss at all btw, perfectly factual; and used the wrong pronoun by accideent. nether technical nor suitably qualified) | Jun 11 16:12 |
Techrights-sec2 | :/ | Jun 11 16:12 |
schestowitz-TR | "our system is done, the database if fucked, but at least it is being looked at by one girl, two boys, and one nonbinary..." | Jun 11 16:13 |
schestowitz-TR | *down | Jun 11 16:13 |
schestowitz-TR | *is | Jun 11 16:13 |
Techrights-sec2 | :/ | Jun 11 16:14 |
schestowitz-TR | I guess it's a successful technique for distracting from and preventing actual | Jun 11 16:14 |
schestowitz-TR | work | Jun 11 16:14 |
Techrights-sec2 | I guess it's a successful technique for distracting from and preventing actual | Jun 11 16:14 |
Techrights-sec2 | work | Jun 11 16:14 |
schestowitz-TR | I think that is just a side effect | Jun 11 16:15 |
schestowitz-TR | there have been some altruistic intentions | Jun 11 16:15 |
schestowitz-TR | how they're being co-opted is not the fault of those who meant well | Jun 11 16:15 |
schestowitz-TR | and thus we should be careful todinstguish and perprly attribute | Jun 11 16:15 |
schestowitz-TR | it has been the same at the epo | Jun 11 16:15 |
schestowitz-TR | the net effect is Team A and team B are both shit | Jun 11 16:17 |
schestowitz-TR | and your colleagues are not as useful as they otherwise would be | Jun 11 16:17 |
schestowitz-TR | collectively, as a community of a company or as an org, you are worse off and weaker | Jun 11 16:17 |
schestowitz-TR | nobody knows everything | Jun 11 16:19 |
schestowitz-TR | posers and imposters can pretend to be everything | Jun 11 16:19 |
schestowitz-TR | but a dgree in "classics" or similar may mean you're not in the right domain or ballpark | Jun 11 16:19 |
schestowitz-TR | and that putsd a burden on the rest of the team | Jun 11 16:19 |
Techrights-sec2 | ack | Jun 11 16:19 |
schestowitz-TR | I'm not a great sys admin or programmer | Jun 11 16:19 |
schestowitz-TR | I'm "OK" | Jun 11 16:19 |
schestowitz-TR | but I'm better at some other things | Jun 11 16:19 |
schestowitz-TR | so can make up for it | Jun 11 16:19 |
schestowitz-TR | rianne's programming skills are rather basic | Jun 11 16:20 |
schestowitz-TR | she did a cs degree | Jun 11 16:20 |
schestowitz-TR | but she is meticulous at work | Jun 11 16:20 |
schestowitz-TR | and has access to good equipment and to me | Jun 11 16:21 |
schestowitz-TR | so I think some colleagues are a little intimidated | Jun 11 16:21 |
schestowitz-TR | and that leads to cat fights | Jun 11 16:21 |
Techrights-sec2 | ack | Jun 11 16:22 |
Techrights-sec2 | cat fights are all too common and, sadly, part of a lot of human nature | Jun 11 16:22 |
Techrights-sec2 | especially women. men tend to have conflicts but often settle into | Jun 11 16:22 |
Techrights-sec2 | some stable situation begrudgingly or otherwise rather quickly at least until | Jun 11 16:22 |
Techrights-sec2 | something major changes to affect the dynamics | Jun 11 16:22 |
schestowitz-TR | right, that suitably describes some of the conflicting (on technical matters) views 3 of us | Jun 11 16:23 |
schestowitz-TR | have, e.g. ansible vs puppet or shitware vs freesw | Jun 11 16:23 |
Techrights-sec2 | ack | Jun 11 16:23 |
schestowitz-TR | I'm relatively easy to work with, I think, that's why I'm there 11.5 years (could leave many times) | Jun 11 16:25 |
schestowitz-TR | and TM and TM age OK, inc. the community (even those who ragequit often come back later) | Jun 11 16:25 |
schestowitz-TR | BTW, TM depends a lot on RSS | Jun 11 16:25 |
schestowitz-TR | if the RSS web culture dies, both TR and TM might suffer | Jun 11 16:26 |
schestowitz-TR | but there is no simple solution to that, other than diversifying a bit | Jun 11 16:26 |
schestowitz-TR | "Social media" or "SEO" are not valid options | Jun 11 16:26 |
schestowitz-TR | those are controlled by very large companies | Jun 11 16:26 |
schestowitz-TR | with whims of shareholders | Jun 11 16:26 |
Techrights-sec2 | ack | Jun 11 16:26 |
Techrights-sec2 | social control media works actively against software freedom, note | Jun 11 16:26 |
Techrights-sec2 | the agenda and owners of reddit as one example | Jun 11 16:26 |
schestowitz-TR | I prefer to call it Internet freedom | Jun 11 16:27 |
schestowitz-TR | because, like swpats, it affects both us the freesw community and the rest of the technical folks | Jun 11 16:27 |
schestowitz-TR | with whom we need an alliance on certain matters, hecen ffii | Jun 11 16:27 |
schestowitz-TR | *hence | Jun 11 16:27 |
Techrights-sec2 | FFII also seems a bit quiet of late | Jun 11 16:28 |
Techrights-sec2 | last blog post in 2021 and invisible in the search engine results | Jun 11 16:28 |
schestowitz-TR | pedants' point: never say "Web freedom"; that's a paradox in 2022 or the past 10 years | Jun 11 16:30 |
schestowitz-TR | if not 20+ years | Jun 11 16:30 |
schestowitz-TR | gulag does not like ffii ;-) | Jun 11 16:30 |
schestowitz-TR | zoobab told me that his press releases show up first as techrights, before ffii | Jun 11 16:30 |
schestowitz-TR | not my fault | Jun 11 16:30 |
schestowitz-TR | that may change in the future | Jun 11 16:30 |
schestowitz-TR | just some knobhead at gulag seeing we don't fancy "gulag" and pulling a knob to derank us | Jun 11 16:30 |
schestowitz-TR | we're of no value to "alphabet agency" shareholders anyway | Jun 11 16:30 |
schestowitz-TR | not anymore | Jun 11 16:30 |
Techrights-sec2 | no gulag hates and the others | Jun 11 16:31 |
schestowitz-TR | gulag noise: we syndicate microsoft.com as a NEWS site | Jun 11 16:33 |
schestowitz-TR | also "Microsoft on te Issues" (lobbying blog) | Jun 11 16:33 |
schestowitz-TR | but not techrights, ffii etc. | Jun 11 16:33 |
schestowitz-TR | mondaq/lexology are OK becayse they are "professional" | Jun 11 16:33 |
schestowitz-TR | they take BRIBES to push lies | Jun 11 16:33 |
schestowitz-TR | so they have a businessModel(R) | Jun 11 16:33 |
schestowitz-TR | hence Professional(TM) | Jun 11 16:33 |
Techrights-sec2 | sadly bribes are a business plan | Jun 11 16:34 |
schestowitz-TR | larabel and I cheered him being enlisted in Gulag Noise years ago | Jun 11 16:36 |
schestowitz-TR | to me, those are just more cruft in my rss feeds now | Jun 11 16:36 |
schestowitz-TR | but sometimes I use them to follow through to originals, such as patchsets | Jun 11 16:36 |
schestowitz-TR | (i don't envy michael, we've spoken since the BN days. we both work like horses around the clock to produce stories | Jun 11 16:40 |
schestowitz-TR | but the relationship with vendors is like "doping"... and it'll become a major liability down the line as readers leave and sponsors | Jun 11 16:40 |
schestowitz-TR | are companies, not people) | Jun 11 16:40 |
schestowitz-TR | fossforce killed itself | Jun 11 16:40 |
schestowitz-TR | check date of last story | Jun 11 16:40 |
schestowitz-TR | it tries to come back, shills some corporarte bullshit | Jun 11 16:40 |
schestowitz-TR | then coredumps | Jun 11 16:40 |
schestowitz-TR | too focused on trying to raise money, one war or the other | Jun 11 16:40 |
schestowitz-TR | years ago christine and I were close, blasted LF | Jun 11 16:40 |
schestowitz-TR | now the site is a shrine to LF | Jun 11 16:40 |
schestowitz-TR | like Putin invaded Ukraine and planted a flag in it | Jun 11 16:40 |
Techrights-sec2 | ack | Jun 11 16:41 |
Techrights-sec2 | yes | Jun 11 16:41 |
Techrights-sec2 | she sold out | Jun 11 16:41 |
Techrights-sec2 | probably had to | Jun 11 16:41 |
Techrights-sec2 | for economic reasons | Jun 11 16:41 |
schestowitz-TR | based on photos poasted a decade ago of her car windows getting smashed by a brick, it's very "hand-to-mouth" | Jun 11 16:43 |
Techrights-sec2 | most in the US are in that situation and the gutting of their savings in 2008 | Jun 11 16:44 |
Techrights-sec2 | did not advance the standard of living to put it mildly | Jun 11 16:44 |
schestowitz-TR | plus medical bills and partented prescription drugs | Jun 11 16:44 |
schestowitz-TR | the other day I read that in 2020 it became a $500 BILLION industry | Jun 11 16:44 |
schestowitz-TR | those repeat drugs | Jun 11 16:44 |
schestowitz-TR | they shoulds be generic really | Jun 11 16:44 |
schestowitz-TR | but politicians take bribes and with Microsoft Vidal the patents will stay | Jun 11 16:44 |
schestowitz-TR | something "property" | Jun 11 16:44 |
Techrights-sec2 | still say-for-pay is awfully degrading | Jun 11 16:45 |
Techrights-sec2 | yes and generics are usually unavailable or otherwise blocked | Jun 11 16:45 |
schestowitz-TR | 'coz "counterfeit" | Jun 11 16:47 |
schestowitz-TR | or maybe if you know someone in India and can pray it gets through customs | Jun 11 16:47 |
schestowitz-TR | the "counterfeit" | Jun 11 16:47 |
schestowitz-TR | police | Jun 11 16:47 |
schestowitz-TR | protecting you from drugs... that you can afford and would extend your life | Jun 11 16:47 |
schestowitz-TR | the "war on (legal) drugs" | Jun 11 16:47 |
Techrights-sec2 | ack | Jun 11 16:48 |
Techrights-sec2 | war on inexpensive or effective drugs | Jun 11 16:48 |
schestowitz-TR | s/or/and/ | Jun 11 16:52 |
schestowitz-TR | through the two aren't necessarily coming in conjuction | Jun 11 16:52 |
schestowitz-TR | story of relevance: my mother had a prescirbed drug | Jun 11 16:52 |
schestowitz-TR | and iirc when the patent thing kicked in they stopped making it available | Jun 11 16:52 |
schestowitz-TR | instead pushing only a more expensive one, which ALSO was worse for her | Jun 11 16:52 |
schestowitz-TR | caused all sorts of issues | Jun 11 16:52 |
Techrights-sec2 | ack | Jun 11 16:52 |
schestowitz-TR | so the more expensive was in fact worse | Jun 11 16:52 |
schestowitz-TR | and impose (now) if the previous one, which worked well, got blocked | Jun 11 16:52 |
schestowitz-TR | purely for business reasons | Jun 11 16:52 |
schestowitz-TR | thank you for the innovation, Antonio CamPoonios | Jun 11 16:52 |
schestowitz-TR | he doesn't have to worry about the price of medication | Jun 11 16:52 |
schestowitz-TR | he just takes REAL drugs | Jun 11 16:52 |
schestowitz-TR | the F* good ones | Jun 11 16:52 |
schestowitz-TR | s/impose/imports of the previous one | Jun 11 16:52 |
schestowitz-TR | she had to contact people with connections in India | Jun 11 16:52 |
schestowitz-TR | and was looking on the Web | Jun 11 16:52 |
schestowitz-TR | they are torturing people for profit | Jun 11 16:53 |
schestowitz-TR | <techrights-news> "Honestly speaking I never bothered about any of the Perl releases before. But Perl v5.36 is very special and close to me." https://theweeklychallenge.org/blog/get-started-with-perl-v536/ | Jun 11 16:53 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-theweeklychallenge.org | Get started with Perl v5.36 | Jun 11 16:53 | |
schestowitz-TR | based on the timestem, 8:42pm just now, Mo Anwar, who wrote this, is no longer in London but somewhere like India? | Jun 11 16:55 |
schestowitz-TR | He wrote many posts about his depression and sobbing | Jun 11 16:55 |
Techrights-sec2 | ack | Jun 11 16:55 |
Techrights-sec2 | I had not seen those | Jun 11 16:55 |
schestowitz-TR | <techrights-news> Microsoft propagandist, liar, and shill Rob Enderle: "US Tech Market Leadership at a Crossroads" ... wait, what? What tech leadership? Almost EVERYTHING is made in China ALREADY. | Jun 11 17:08 |
schestowitz-TR | <techrights-news> This market was not known as Facebook and it wasn't headed by Mark Zuckerberg, hence "bad" https://www.theregister.com/2022/06/08/us_feds_raid_dark_web/ | Jun 11 17:12 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.theregister.com | Feds raid dark web market where 24 Americans' data was sold • The Register | Jun 11 17:12 | |
schestowitz-TR | <techrights-news> "Good" spying versus "Bad" information sharing https://miro.medium.com/max/720/1*flkRZlw79d7EYWZkRltD0A.jpeg | Jun 11 17:12 |
schestowitz-TR | apropos pocock on privacy versus debian/fsfe on 'privacy' | Jun 11 17:12 |
schestowitz-TR | https://nitter.it/zoobab/status/1534792966681894914#m | Jun 11 22:02 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-zoobab "NO Software Patents" (@zoobab): "UPC: 2/3 majority vote requirement was not followed (art3a Const) in Slovenia? 48 out of 90? https://www.bristowsupc.com/news/slovenia-passes-law-on-ratification-of-the-upc-agreement/"|nitter.it | Jun 11 22:02 | |
schestowitz-TR | https://nitter.it/zoobab/status/1535535606301921280#m | Jun 11 22:02 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-zoobab "NO Software Patents" (@zoobab): "@piratskastranka do you have someone who could check?"|nitter.it | Jun 11 22:02 | |
schestowitz-TR | https://nitter.it/JRepin/status/1535556433231716352#m | Jun 11 22:03 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Jure Repinc (Mastodon: @JRepin@mstdn.io) (@JRepin): "Unfortunately it's true :( The correct link for parliamentary voting documents (in Slovenian) related to this agreement is: http://www.dz-rs.si/wps/portal/Home/zakonodaja/izbran/!ut/p/z1/04_Sj9CPykssy0xPLMnMz0vMAfIjo8zivSy9Hb283Q0N3E3dLQwCQ7z9g7w8nAwsnMz1w9EUGAWZGgS6GDn5BhsYGwQHG-pHEaPfAAdwNCBOPx4FUfiNL8gNDQ11VFQEAAXcoa4!/dz/d5/L2dBISEvZ0FBIS9nQSEh/?uid=C1257A70003EE6A1C1258 ... | Jun 11 22:03 | |
schestowitz-TR | https://nitter.it/JRepin/status/1535558218667241474#m | Jun 11 22:03 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Jure Repinc (Mastodon: @JRepin@mstdn.io) (@JRepin): "Also, if you are interested in some English texts on copyright/patents/privacy in Slovenia the articles by @schestowitz on Tech Rights are quite a good read: http://techrights.org/index.php?s=Slovenia+Slovenian+Slovene"|nitter.it | Jun 11 22:03 | |
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