IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Thursday, August 11, 2022

https://metacpan.org/pod/Unicode::Diacritic::Strip

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However, it would be useful to first know whether Gemini is supposed to support

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unicode file names in the URLs or whether the failure to do so is merely a bug

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which has spread

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catchhing up

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had good sleeping, knowing msft is coming apart

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daemonfc did a good post

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hmmm... looks like apache on techrights needs a restart again, it has not been so reliable lately

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m$ has been falling apart for decades, the decline has not affected its power

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as a polictical movement or cult

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oh. i misread that and 'fixed' tm

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it's not been a long while fortunately

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restarted httpd

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hmm still not responding

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are we both restrating it at the same time?

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there were two issues with apache 2 nights ago, but I was awake

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it is nto a db issue, I cannot access static pages either

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restarting apache gain

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no I just did once a few minutes ago and have only watched since then

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it seems to be hanging and then responding in bursts

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though it seems to only be responding to attacks and not to legitimate queries

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does the db need attention?

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503 tends to be back-end

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[Thu Aug 11 07:20:02.411889 2022] [proxy_fcgi:error] [pid 26951:tid 140473213613824] (70007)The timeout specified has expired: [client 23.161.112.116:39186] AH01075: Err

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or dispatching request to :

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ok, I gave php a kick as well

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for the time being it runs OK

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let's keep an eye on it for the next few hours

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as we have a lot of rebuttals to the media frenzy created by Microsoft moles

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ack

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ack

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I could show you some LAUGHABLE headlines

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they clearly cover up

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at first we didn't even know layoffs were happening

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then we thought it was just "savings"

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lots of spin

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smoke and mirrors

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I've put php monitoring in front of me so I can detect issues fast

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<techrights-news> Lots of bait and decoy in the media about Microsoft layoffs. Even Microsoft insiders are being misled about it.

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misled and at the same time participating in misleading the world

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back on topics now, with fire put out (it seems stable now)

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you asked about utf-x re gemini

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I don't know the subject, esp. wrt perl, too well

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you can judge this better than me

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I know steps we'd need to take when moving over to the new site

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the old site will still be there but with many redirections

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and no more new pages

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Gulag has already begun indexing pages in tm-new

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and having identical pages in both can be bad

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and penalise the latter

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so I hope we can move it all over this month

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yes

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it's not a perl matter but one of the specification and how it handles

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or fails to handle URLs. A work-around is easy to implement but very

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annoying and half unnecessary. HTTP clients all handle UTF-8 within URLs no

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problem

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you would think a client called lagrange can deal with french/italisn, but it's made by a finn, so I wonder if nordic accents it can deal with too

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some domains in geminispace have symbols and emojis in them

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the domain name themselves

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I'm wondering if they are not re-using the same defective library

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domains are a different component of the URL. We're only affected by

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problems in how the clients process paths, not 'scheme' or 'host' or 'port'

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or 'query string', just the 'path'

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ack

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I don't know this place anymore, 34 degrees for 4 days in a ro

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*row

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don't expect videos, I don't have a/c

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I'm on shift 5:30 tonight, but took two days off 1.5 weeks from now

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who needs flying to a sunny holiday?

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it feels like spain in summer here

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and some stupid people bathe in a bikini in totally inadequate places

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rianne says they expose themselves to hundrerds of perverts

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ack

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ack

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probably

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yes, flying to a hot destination is unnecessary any more

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flying not only releases unnecessary carbon, that carbon is fossil carbon

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and not from the live cycle involving today's animals and plants

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so eating vegetarian yet flying jets away to vacation or, worse, business trips

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is an extreme form of being hypocritical. Those aren't either the same scale

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or even the same carbon cycle.

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maybe they can be reminded what FOSSIL fuel is made of

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it's not just flora but also fauna

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"STOP BURNING ANIMALS"!!!

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perhaps, but people don't want to think because it's inconvenient to think

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back to the Gemini URLs, do you have any idea of where or whom to ask?

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I'm really disappointed that the mailing list was dismantled.

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Both lagrange and amfora are f-ing around in M$ GitHub so it will be very hard

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to track down the contact information for the developers.

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lagrange uses gitea too (originally)

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and I think Jukka's email is public

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though he is busy with family stuff

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Same for kristall.

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Yes, he is /very/ overloaded atm afaik

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I wait for Microsoft to do what GitLab did

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and rattle the shackles a litt

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the slaves will never forgot what gitlab was about to do

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*forgot, #little

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>forget

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ack

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<techrights-news> AuraGem Ask Activity gemini://auragem.spac<techrights-news> AuraGem Ask Activity gemini://auragem.space/~ask/dailydigest/2022-08-11e/~ask/dailydigest/2022-08-11

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ack

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the manchester mirror

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never heard of it before

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+ "themanchestermirror.com" => "The Manchester Mirror",

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Manchester, Michigan

https://vil-manchester.org/

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They still have a paper or at least the appearance of one and are along

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the route that toxic spill will spread

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-vil-manchester.org | Village of Manchester – Michigan

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re auragem, TONS of very good work from them/him/her

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like proxies and agteways

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it makes sense to have gemini forums in gemtext

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not email or html archives (mailman)

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SpreadChromium(TM)

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ack

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or at least somewhat near the route; like most towns they may have a lead pipe

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problem

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one of the articles had a good map of the affected watershed

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9/11: 3k affected

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this: 3m affected

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no big deal

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it was just an "accident" anyway

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yep

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yeah if they call the dumping of the toxic waste an accident then it's all good

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microsoft 'accidentally' did not patch the flaw in 2019

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so that's OK

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after all, they own the media

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the level of media spin is alarming

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if you assumed media's role was to get the truth out

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notm compensate by repeating lies en masse

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It's annoying that the media has taken to calling long-standing, well-known

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bugs as zero-days when they clearly are anything but that

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the media is complicit in downplaying m$ inept passivity, perhaps because

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of the important role that bug doors have in agency surveillance

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todo: find ANY new info on msft 1) layoffs 2) shut down units 3) how they spin that

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the last thing they want atm is people repeating facts again and again

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after they drowned out the signal

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you recently noted that system1 (spying, startpage) places our wiki in page 1

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ack

https://techcrunch.com/2022/08/09/microsoft-makes-further-cuts-focused-on-consumer-rd-group/?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuc3RhcnRwYWdlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer

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_sig=AQAAAIMNIBsA9t27fnNmhzNr14RTPqektFfBjWZ93Fs3uhF2J3JfvNJBAjFqI-iVIkf3M0eiargMH3yjnndd8dkw9ABsFYwupCnik0S1SgBFTZ7u-La6NJhtnzqsi1Mzm4WCaO2Gdhi1o6I8ceQ0f2li5IT_ldjOKprh

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^ignore

https://techcrunch.com/2022/08/09/microsoft-makes-further-cuts-focused-on-consumer-rd-group/

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-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Microsoft makes further cuts focused on consumer R&D group – TechCrunch

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https://www.business-standard.com/article/international/microsoft-lays-off-more-workers-this-time-from-consumer-r-d-team-report-122081000652_1.html

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-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.business-standard.com | Microsoft lays off more workers, this time from consumer R&D team: Report | Business Standard News

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https://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-layoffs-modern-life-experiences-mileiq-2022-8

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.businessinsider.com | Microsoft Lays Off a Team Dedicated to Reinventing Its Consumer Appeal

https://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-brings-hard-news-of-layoff-to-mlx-team-that-works-on-consumer-products/

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-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.neowin.net | Microsoft brings "hard news" of layoff to MLX team that works on consumer products - Neowin

https://www.theverge.com/2022/8/10/23299499/microsoft-layoffs-modern-life-win-back-consumers-team

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-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.theverge.com | Microsoft reportedly lays off team focused on winning back consumers - The Verge

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however those are probably just the tip of the iceberg

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yes

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and throws out a lot of chaff

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recall the 'permatemp' situation years ago, used to hide layoffs then too

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I saw it and included it in the screenshots

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AOL

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and nasty JS

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they are selective in what they cover

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microsloth keeps its cards close to its chest

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what bothers me a lot are the authors' names

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I know those names

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they monopolise or at least dominate coverage on the topic, without disclosingconflic of interest

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so you end up THINKING you know what bad news Microsoft has

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when in reality it's ten times worse

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I did many posts about it last night

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yes they make minor concessions in areas which M$ uses to distract from

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what's really going on there

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it's all about misdirection; they act like that going back decades; any time

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there is a major or minor press release, you have to ask what are they trying

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to distract from

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the mentioned articles recycle and rehash many of the same

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it's sad when you want to know mor eand don't know where to go to

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to paragraphase groklaw

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but in recent years I noticed that when there's major "general" news

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and I want to know what's REALLY happening

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I can think of not a single site I can open

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and trust what it says

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so many sites, such bad quality

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re general Linux news sites, there's a similar problem

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on pretty much every single topic

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a cynic cannot find any article one can trustm anywhere..

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too many compromised orgs

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or good sites that are no longer active, barely active, and cover a small subset of topics

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part of this suspicion if the assumption the sole remainign business model is the bias

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but sadly I cannot give you recent examples as I forgot

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but I dread landing on a page with misinformation in it

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I'd rather know nothing than be told a lie

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and that's just how I feel on the WWW these days

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<techrights-news> Senior editor at PCWorld (IDG) is a Microsoft mole, Yee. Infiltrated media, just as Microsoft boaster.

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WW1 -> WW2 -> WWW

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WWW->WWIII

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the disinformation and digital control fight there has been going on for some

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year already

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"evanglism is war"

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ack

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drafgt

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the goal is to bring up or put ion context the layoffs and uefi

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checking

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yes, then the layoffs ought to be at least mentioned; also didn't Christian E

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once calculate that M$ would lose its main money maker, the monopoly rents,

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once it's desktop market share dropped below something in the mid 80s percent?

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Another point to drive home is that M$ is either an also-ran or no-show in

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servers, supercomputers, embedded system, mobile devices, and anything else

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besides desktops

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So this decline in client-side markets is the *entirity* of M$ real business,

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regardless of however much they might make from buying and selling (their own)

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stock

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I need to verify this, but Microsoft "consultants" conned many employees into putting their savings in Microsoft shares ("investment")

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so they even lose their salaries now

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another point (made in irc last night): when we went to the large chain here of computers and electronics

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the very large shop was mostly empty

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not a single person looking at 'Windows' laptops

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that might also explain the anguish of Intel

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this was yesterday

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people look for essentials

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well, for perhaps 5 or more years the laptops themselves and the laptop section

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they are in make *zero* mention of Windows. It has become that much of a

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liability

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i never thought of it like that, but now that you mention it...

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they should call it the "brfoken windows" section

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that sells a lot in AV"premiums", too

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they also sell, at a markup, "AV" and "Office", so there are several perverse

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incentives to continue to sell M$ Windows, especially since the computers

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"stop working" rather soon or at least "slow down" due to bloat *and* malware

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thus driving premature new purchases

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There was a time about 20 years ago when insurance companies were starting to

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raise the costs of premiums for NT compared to real operating systems,

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especially GNU/Linux. However, no idea what became of that. M$ shat bricks overthat. But for the insurance companies it was only about money.

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"brfoken windows"

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Here is the context for any assertions that M$ generates jobs:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_broken_window

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tldr; it's a false assertion

http://bastiat.org/en/twisatwins.html#SECTION_G002

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-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-bastiat.org | That Which is Seen, and That Which is Not Seen; by Frederic Bastiat

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PR PaRRots are writing from ther same scripts

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probably briefed by Shaw and others

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some "hey hi" could detect the replicated sentences and yield just NEw info

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lost or drowned out

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a LOT of cooking done here today

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low-cost raw material/foods

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too much even

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at the store with the PCs/electronics we checked the price of a second freeer

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and took into account operational costs, notably power

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before the pandemic, maybe we could justify that

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and seeing that it's getting hard to find the discounts

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it seems now like an unattractive proposition

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I wonder if rolling outages (e.g. Switzerland Finaland) start at some pont

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whether duration will take into account

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food freshness

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more importantly though, it won't lower energy use

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people just delay and later do what they planned to do anyway

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freezer later work harder, for longer, putting at risk their lifetime

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so that can end up generating not just wasted food but also appliances going to waste sooner

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similarly, if you can hosepipes, people will find workaround, such as filling buckets before the ban, worsening the situation

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adkin to panic buying and food shortages, human nature and survival skills deny overpopulation mitigation staretgies

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*defy

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yep it's just mostly about appearances

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outages=sabotage

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bans= optics

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people are creative

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and getting each home to buy a generator worsens things

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what fucking generators? DIESEL? Talk about bring air pollution to one's own home and also inefficiencies

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like people buying fossil fuel to burn for power to keep online, to keep food cold etc.

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What a fucking dumb proposal

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condoms are better

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some idiot got comment published in the online newspaper, which they accepted,

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and reprinted, saying how to "save" by charging the smartphone in the car :/

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Not only is that more expensive it releases fossil carbon

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cars burn FAR more energy than what homes use

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like bulbs

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more so planes

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ban THOSE

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or limit their use/purchasing

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make better public transport

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yep

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fwiw since this mornings commmit the Gemini URLs and the HTTP URLs no longer

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match up exactly in all cases. I hope it is just a temporary measure and

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it turns out that the clients have been misinterpreting the URLs; it does not

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make sense that they shoul block UTF8 in the path; these days even the host name

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can be UTF-8

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for old urls it might be ok

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it might break an assumption I make about how to generate the gemini url, based on xml feed in https

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another option is, avoid special chars in headlines

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if possible

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The URLs for the XHTML pages can be mutilated in the same manner so as to ensure

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synchronization. Should that be done?

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yes, falkon too struggles with some urls that libreworld/ff can cope with

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but hopefully change only applicable to future urls

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to avoid 404s

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ok,

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404s are just fine until the site goes into production, we might have to

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change the whole URL path (or not) by that time, probably not though

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i thinkwe cna keep the same url scheme and add more sections to make the site more useful

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drupal was too limiting

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so the front page can be more "spicy" with more useful stuff for NEW visitors, then there's the news section as part of it

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like techrights with The Four Latest Stories

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yes, the more generic things are the less they fit

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when the site does go into production the old domain news.tuxmachines.org can

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redirect all /n/ URLs to the main page of the formal domain tuxmachines.org

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tghe existing domain stayed in restricted, read-only mode

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as there is a lot of stuff there like distro reviews

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and historical archives

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we don't want to do what groklaw did..

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groklow likely looked for way to lower bills for ibm/ibiblio

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by doing so they also sabotaged a lot of hard-worked-for work

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without any consultation with those who left a lot of comments, Daily News Picks etc.

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right but the alpha site is a throwaway

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it exists to hammer out bugs and polish details

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no need to throw it away

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it is robust enough

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just need to set up backup routine for its DB an the files

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one option is, we can redirect the rss feed at one pointbut it can confuse some people

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there will be about 2000 nodes that need migrating from old to new

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I make sure I edit nothing older than these

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as the intention is to revert back to an old snapshot of old after that

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a more consistent DB state

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after we do all this we can start working on TR migration

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ack

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I like how TM is now, it looks like a newspaper and it's a no-bullshit, no-bloat, quick to load access to latest news

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drupal is to sealife what an aquiarrium is

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and that put many limitations

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no gemini, no push notifications, no management through git

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drush exists, but it's not the same

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poor analogy, but I thought of it while feeding the wish

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letter to the editor: the idiot who shink burening engine fuel to charge a "smart" phone (might as well just use old Nokia phone) might need discover living in your

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own cars can save all the costs associated with home ownwership

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[cue analogy of clown computing as "cost saver"... like using public toilets exclusively... even in the middle of the night... saves you water and paper)

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sorry, many typos above

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"we don't need shower and toilets at home" "we don't need any hardware for our business, we can lease"

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BTW, the gym we went to quit owning the equipment in it

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now they just RENT it all from a company with servicing as part of the contract

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gmy-eqipment-as-a-service

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renting like that sounds like they don't plan to stay in business long

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equipment is the core of such a facility

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they already rebranded as "the spa" in 2016

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and they turning the squash court into the gym, in effect taking away other facilities like pingpong, exercise flood, aquash/racketball

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the price wasn't too bad, but it's not safe there

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for reasons I explained beofre

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overnight I sent you some links to my blog

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getting rid of the equipment is a big step towards liquidation of the whole

Aug 11 13:19

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business

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ok checking

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it's (intentionally) difficult to keep track of the transmission rates

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and the mortality rates because the responsible agencies have taken to

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hiding or delaying the data

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publication

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they don't even compre apples and apples anymore

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so whatever numbers they do publish actually embellish the situation

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but many people fogot that

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ack

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torrent ratios: peppermint devuan 6.5; linux mint 20.3 cinnamon 2.3;

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linux mint 20.3 mate 1.8; linux mint 21 cinnamon 0.9; etc

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not statiticically significant anecdote

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^statistically

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Masks - the last bastion of privacy gemini://gemini.ctrl-c.club/~stack/gemlog/2022-08-11.masks.gmi "An interesting side-effect of wearing a mask, one not talked about (or at least not to me) is that if you wear a mask, you are not as easily tracked by the surveillance state."

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we bought a lot of disposable maska and sanitiser yesterdat

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we also have lots of masks that are not disposable

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the hope if to mask for the next 5 years

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sometimes I had sunglasses and hat

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nobody complains

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<techrights-news> "Uber’s entire model has been about breaking—if not smashing—labor law (and worker power) through systematic misclassification." ☛ https://scheerpost.com/2022/08/10/sleeping-at-the-wheel-the-uber-files-the-media-and-the-coup-against-labor-rights/ | Source: Scheerpost

Aug 11 16:01

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Sleeping at the Wheel: The Uber Files, the Media, and the Coup Against Labor Rights – scheerpost.com

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ack

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potential threats:

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- they'll say only ill people wear it

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- only pedos like michaerl jackson

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-it makes you suspicious

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.... maybe more, in a matter of years

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many thing this virus is over (and they hide the data, ignore it in the media)

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<techrights-news> "protect the children" ☛ https://www.techdirt.com/2022/08/10/eu-commissioner-pens-barely-coherent-defense-of-spying-on-everyone-for-the-children/ | Source: Techdirt

Aug 11 16:08

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-EU Commissioner Pens Barely Coherent Defense Of Spying On Everyone, For The Children | Techdirt

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<techrights-news> "As student debt in America reaches a record-breaking $1.8 trillion among 45 million federal borrowers" ☛ https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/student-debt-cancellation-movement/ | Source: The Nation

Aug 11 16:11

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.thenation.com | What's Next for the Student Debt Cancellation Movement? | The Nation

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<techrights-news> Not a good idea. That would be appeasing GAFAM. http://blogs.perl.org/users/dean/2022/08/please-relicense-from-perl-5-to-mit-or-apache-20-license.html

Aug 11 17:16

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Please relicense from "Perl 5" to MIT or Apache 2.0 license | dean [blogs.perl.org]

Aug 11 17:16

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rianne has feedbkac on the UI

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today she got stuck when posting kernel releases (stable)

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it said the title was long and thus slug was too long

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she didn't know that that means and how to overcome iot

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maybe automatically truncate slug for long headlines?