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    Linux Community Updates 20 Year Old AMD GPU Driver
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    [07:27] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 404 @ https://www.tomshardware.com/news/ati-radeon-gpus-get-driver-optimizations-linux">Linux ) [07:27] schestowitz

    To demonstrate just how old these GPUs are, the R500 graphics cards, also named the X1000 series were launched in 2007 and were built on a huge 90nm process. The flagship card at the time, the ATI Radeon X1800 XT could only achieve 83 Gflops of performance (with a G). It's a far cry from today where the best graphics cards, like the RTX 3090, can achieve over 35 TFlops.

  • ● Dec 11 [08:16] *altlink_79b has quit (connection closed) [08:16] *altlink_540 (~altlink_540@2f7u5j6f87p9g.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Dec 11 [09:04] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@joseon-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [09:04] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@t25x9hgy9xhrc.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [09:40] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [09:40] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [09:43] activelow the old radeon cards power consumption was lower too [09:44] *rianne (~rianne@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [09:46] *liberty_box (~liberty@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Dec 11 [10:03] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [10:03] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [10:10] activelow did some calculations: the rtx3090 got ~500x more processing power [10:11] activelow the die shrink from 90nm to 9nm equals a reduction in power consumption per silicon area 10^2; that's one hundred [10:12] activelow then, the RTX3090 requiers ~3x the amount of electricity, that's a total of ~300x [10:12] activelow alltogether, far less impressive, for the fact alone power consumption tripled [10:13] activelow if Nvidia could manufacture a GPU with 83GFLOPs requiring 500milliwatts total this had been far more impressive [10:19] activelow some faster ARM Mali graphics score ~20GFLOPs, and even this was sufficient with the opensource graphics drivers for Linux with nexuiz/darkplaces at FullHD@60Hz steady [10:20] activelow maybe that's another reason why Nvidia seeks to grab ARM, to perpetuate their trillion dollar GPU scam; to sell hardware which requires 500Watts instead of 5W total [10:21] activelow and the ARM Mali graphics i tested is rather old and outdated already, manufactured at 28nm [10:22] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@t25x9hgy9xhrc.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [10:22] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@joseon-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [10:28] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@cqggrmwgu7gji.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Dec 11 [11:33] *tech_exorcist (~tech_exorcist@7sfr6zps4jvw4.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [11:33] *tech_exorcist has quit (connection closed) [11:42] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [11:43] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [11:43] *tech_exorcist (~tech_exorcist@s7imxt35adxga.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [11:43] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 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[11:44] *liberty_box (~liberty@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [11:44] *rianne (~rianne@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [11:48] schestowitz activelow: afaik, all of those companies make SUPER-proprietary stuff [11:49] schestowitz I'm not even sure how many options exist for that type of hardware that can be trusted [11:49] schestowitz Russia and India make their own [11:49] schestowitz Mali and ARM might be better, but now, but not for lonh [11:49] schestowitz *long [11:53] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [11:53] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [11:54] *liberty_box (~liberty@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [11:54] *rianne (~rianne@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [11:55] activelow schestowitz: yep, ARM hardware is fully proprietary [11:56] activelow nonetheless, IBM Wintel PC and Nvidia are WORSE ● Dec 11 [13:01] schestowitz-TR just gopt an emvelopse ;-) [13:01] schestowitz-TR will put in quarantine for 2 days, as usual [13:01] schestowitz-TR activelow: arm? [13:03] Techrights-sec that was fast [13:07] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [13:07] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [13:23] *rianne (~rianne@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [13:24] *liberty_box (~liberty@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Dec 11 [14:06] activelow schestowitz-TR: what's the question? [14:09] activelow anyway, Nvidia and most other GPUs are a bad choice, because these are special purpose hardware *only* [14:12] activelow these cannot be programmed for easily, no operating system can be deployed to them, and with a power budget of 300watts for the GPU only i could imagine 300 ARM cortex general purpose CPU cores instead (or any other power efficient RISC) [14:25] *tech_exorcist has quit (connection closed) [14:57] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [14:57] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Dec 11 [15:01] psydroid2 I'm not sure discrete GPUs have a future outside of certain niches [15:02] *rianne (~rianne@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [15:03] *liberty_box (~liberty@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [15:06] *tech_exorcist (~tech_exorcist@y73dbcj7dvbju.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [15:11] Techrights-sec congratulations and best of luck [15:11] Techrights-sec yes, microsofters do what they can to sabotage [15:11] Techrights-sec moodle is (or at least was) very staright forward to set up [15:11] Techrights-sec remember though that if they had windows they did not have a techology problem [15:11] Techrights-sec as much as a staffing problem and those problem individuals, such as those [15:11] Techrights-sec sabotaging, will have to be dealt with administratively [15:18] schestowitz-TR this morning we shut off their "azure" [15:18] schestowitz-TR no more Windows, no more Microsoft [15:18] schestowitz-TR migration successful, less money for the thugs [15:18] schestowitz-TR Microsoft seems to have used WAF as vendor lockin, but we found a way around that crap [15:18] schestowitz-TR systemd ;-) [15:18] schestowitz-TR joke [15:18] schestowitz-TR this morning we shut off their "azure" [15:18] schestowitz-TR no more Windows, no more Microsoft [15:18] schestowitz-TR migration successful, less money for the thugs [15:18] schestowitz-TR Microsoft seems to have used WAF as vendor lockin, but we found a way around that crap [15:18] schestowitz-TR systemd ;-) [15:18] schestowitz-TR joke [15:19] Techrights-sec some sources I read commented that azure costs close to 20 times the [15:19] Techrights-sec competition's services; and less reliable too [15:19] Techrights-sec Yes the "cloud" serviecs from all vendors have varying degrees of lock-in [15:19] Techrights-sec through bizarre, complcated control interfaces [15:19] Techrights-sec systemd is part of the move to decommoditize GNU/Linux. Red Hat has made [15:19] Techrights-sec t(now IBM) has made far more progress than M$ in that regard and the effects [15:19] Techrights-sec are about as bad [15:19] Techrights-sec Debian, the core of most other distros, has basically been destroyed by the [15:19] Techrights-sec infighting that it took to pound through adoption of systemd against all [15:19] Techrights-sec reasonable technical expectations. [15:31] activelow Debian (*deb) and RedHat (*rpm) are tailored for consumer comfort and business [15:32] activelow in practice, the regular updates required are horror [15:33] activelow i want a system which can be administered, exposed to internet either providing or consuming services, and not requires any update in 10years [15:34] activelow *does not require ● Dec 11 [16:04] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [16:05] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [16:13] *altlink_540 has quit (connection closed) [16:13] *altlink_e26 (~altlink_e26@2f7u5j6f87p9g.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [16:26] *rianne (~rianne@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [16:27] *liberty_box (~liberty@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Dec 11 [17:03] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [17:03] schestowitz-TR psydroid2: lots of energy wasted [17:04] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [17:07] psydroid2 watching developments in the x86 world has been like watching a train accident happening right before your eyes [17:08] psydroid2 https://erik-engheim.medium.com/risc-v-used-because-its-free-e1f04140bc3d [17:08] Alternative link Cloudflare: medium.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://erik-engheim.medium.com/risc-v-used-because-its-free-e1f04140bc3d [17:08] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-erik-engheim.medium.com | RISC-V Used Because Its Free?. Is the RISC-V microprocessor | by Erik Engheim | Nov, 2021 | Medium [17:08] psydroid2 not everyone needs a power-hungry graphics card [17:08] psydroid2 and for what purpose would you "need" one? [17:08] schestowitz-TR exactly [17:09] schestowitz-TR but you say it in revers [17:09] schestowitz-TR maybe by intention [17:09] schestowitz-TR it's the field of dreams [17:09] schestowitz-TR build it, they will come [17:09] schestowitz-TR make 100 watt GPU [17:09] schestowitz-TR gazillion polygons rendered per secomd [17:09] schestowitz-TR then pay "game" developers to recycle boring old games [17:09] schestowitz-TR and just throw more loads at them [17:10] schestowitz-TR with BTC/Bitccoin, throw lots of cpu cycles at trash [17:10] schestowitz-TR or "hey hi" [17:10] *rianne (~rianne@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [17:10] schestowitz-TR (data-mining) [17:10] schestowitz-TR surveillance based on weak pretences, oversold to advertisers and such [17:10] schestowitz-TR "crime prediction" [17:10] *liberty_box (~liberty@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [17:12] psydroid2 the first thing is power-efficient ASICs could be used for specific use cases [17:13] psydroid2 and the second one is about the "need" for "games", as you just said [17:14] psydroid2 I frankly couldn't care less about those "games", that are just like ads for buying more power-hungry and more expensive graphics hardware [17:16] *tech_exorcist has quit (connection closed) [17:18] *tech_exorcist (~tech_exorcist@6ujf8e7nw8qfi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [17:21] schestowitz-TR thhey are not fun [17:21] schestowitz-TR orgy of ploygon pools [17:27] schestowitz-TR gameplay takes effort [17:27] schestowitz-TR instead they expect the gamers to spend [17:27] schestowitz-TR and compensate for map maps, assets etc. [17:28] schestowitz-TR *bad maps [17:28] schestowitz-TR for their "polygon" ocean [17:28] schestowitz-TR lots of inefficiently-rendered stuff [17:28] schestowitz-TR occlusion etc. [17:28] schestowitz-TR in doom you could render a lot with very little [17:28] schestowitz-TR not it's the opposite [17:29] schestowitz-TR to just show some characters you need billions of transistors [17:29] schestowitz-TR even though the gab process improced a lot [17:29] schestowitz-TR likewise, the Web: [17:29] schestowitz-TR sites like online banks now need like x10 the hardware resources [17:29] schestowitz-TR to do the same thing you did in them like 20 years ago [17:29] schestowitz-TR I picked up my bank's CD-ROM [17:39] schestowitz-TR quite the git diff ;-) [17:39] schestowitz-TR and one whitespace fewer ;-) [17:40] schestowitz-TR we have 10 more parts on EPO, the one from last night was a short reminder [17:40] Techrights-sec yes long but unimportant [17:40] Techrights-sec great! [17:44] *tech_exorcist has quit (connection closed) [17:46] *tech_exorcist (~tech_exorcist@esw3sbxhg2b24.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [17:48] Techrights-sec Just looking at it from this distance, it looks like the EPO could do much [17:48] Techrights-sec better by not pushing out junk patents, trimming management, and hiring more [17:48] Techrights-sec skilled/experienced examiners. [17:49] schestowitz-TR SUEPO wrote about this for years; it will be DIFFICULT for them to hire the RIGHT people now. It's a crisis. They get fresh grads, to EXAMINE monopolies. Knowledge of one language. [17:49] schestowitz-TR also see [17:49] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2021/10/15/stirling-and-pan-european-seal-programme/ [17:49] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | With EPO Strike Regulations Belatedly Ruled Unlawful, EPO Management May be Lowering the Salary Even Further by Introducing Outside Temps or Casual Workers | Techrights [17:53] Techrights-sec I see. The union was broken or at least weakened substantially [17:54] schestowitz-TR many have retired. Jose left months ago. he's the one who had fainted after IU treatment. ● Dec 11 [18:00] schestowitz this is in Planet Debian right now https://linux.codehelp.co.uk/diversity-and-gender.html [18:00] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-linux.codehelp.co.uk | Diversity and gender - linux.codehelp.co.uk [18:00] schestowitz not connected to Free Software of Debian [18:00] schestowitz seems like a way to divide the hackers [18:04] Techrights-sec ack [18:04] Techrights-sec gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/10/15/stirling-and-pan-european-seal-programme/ [18:04] Techrights-sec WTF? [18:04] Techrights-sec That's not code. [18:04] Techrights-sec get them fighting each other so M$ does not lose ground so quickly as it would [18:04] Techrights-sec otherwise [18:04] Techrights-sec destroying debian takes out hundreds of derivative distros [18:04] Techrights-sec some of the derivatives, like Ubuntu, were important enough for M$ to go out [18:04] Techrights-sec of their way to infiltrate specifically [18:04] Techrights-sec however no project is too small for them to attack [18:05] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@957jzbu5csdjw.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [18:09] Techrights-sec m$ attacks and tries to infiltrate any group it learns about [18:09] Techrights-sec schools are more beholden to money than even magazines, so the long game [18:09] Techrights-sec has been to crush and destroy comp sci and programming at university and college [18:09] Techrights-sec levels [18:12] Techrights-sec yes, microsoftianism is a lifestyle choice [18:13] schestowitz-TR I still wonder if our client was putting a moodle site on wsl or something, for maybe 100,000 users... I wasn't close enough to lean the details from the "server and server engineer" ;-) [18:13] schestowitz-TR *learn [18:13] schestowitz-TR but my colleague was LMAO [18:13] schestowitz-TR and said they had no idea what they were doing [18:14] schestowitz-TR they fought hard against running moodle on gnu/linux [18:14] schestowitz-TR and outside azure ^_^ [18:17] Techrights-sec as mentioned earlier, the presence of M$ products is not a technical problem [18:17] Techrights-sec but a staffing problem; the performance of wsl and azure is not good, among [18:17] Techrights-sec the many other problems they introduce. someone there is fighting against [18:17] Techrights-sec technology and pushing M$ at all costs; if they are behaving like those at other [18:17] Techrights-sec institutions they would probably rather see their employer go bankrupt than [18:17] Techrights-sec let it leave M$ clutches. [18:17] Techrights-sec In that case, while they might be on their employer's payroll, they are reallky [18:17] Techrights-sec working for M$ against the enployer. [18:18] schestowitz-TR bingo. but we won the argument at the end. it's a big client. [18:20] Techrights-sec again congratulations and continued good luck [18:20] Techrights-sec I'm wondering if any companies ever have policies that those on the payroll [18:20] Techrights-sec must work for the company and not its competitors, like m$ [18:20] schestowitz-TR good point [18:21] schestowitz-TR rianne know better than me because she read most of the correspondence, I have not [18:21] schestowitz-TR I can't be bothered fighting with microsofters [18:22] schestowitz-TR not my "pay grade" :-) [18:22] schestowitz-TR *would know [18:23] Techrights-sec m$ sees other companies not just as competitors to squash but as opponents [18:23] Techrights-sec politically [18:23] Techrights-sec ack [18:23] schestowitz-TR microsoft phoned to complain about me and Gates Foundation passed a "bribe" [18:24] Techrights-sec yes but under nda iirc [18:24] schestowitz-TR yes, the "SECRET" 'charity' [18:25] Techrights-sec with strings attached, implicit and explicit [18:25] schestowitz-TR on call, the first thing the boss did was, [18:25] schestowitz-TR he said, I know roy might not like tis [18:25] schestowitz-TR or something to that effect [18:25] schestowitz-TR he mentioned nobody else [18:31] Techrights-sec hmm. [18:43] Techrights-sec another topic, would it be useful to make a Git repository for the daily links? [18:43] Techrights-sec that would pave the way for several concurrent contributors, including a more [18:43] Techrights-sec independent automated RSS harvester. [18:44] schestowitz-TR I thought about it before, but it would not suit the current workflow at all [18:48] Techrights-sec ack [18:48] *tech_exorcist has quit (connection closed) [18:53] *Despatche (~desp@u3xy9z2ifjzci.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [18:56] *tech_exorcist (~tech_exorcist@5j2hsrvteqpeu.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Dec 11 [19:38] *tech_exorcist has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Dec 11 [20:02] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@joseon-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [20:02] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@t25x9hgy9xhrc.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [20:11] *tech_exorcist (~tech_exorcist@4ib67bpjevnsu.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [20:56] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Dec 11 [21:11] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@ppnzd78r6xqv6.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [21:26] schestowitz https://nitter.eu/herrsmithson/status/1469709141342101504 [21:26] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-nitter.eu | Alex C. Smithson (@herrsmithson): "Gi il padre finanziava il PATH. https://www.gatesfoundation.org/Ideas/Media-Center/Press-Releases/1999/04/Program-for-Appropriate-Technology-in-Health-PATH#:~:text=SEATTLE%20--%20PATH%20%28Program%20for%20Appropriate%20Technology%20in,development%20of%20Ultra%20Rice%E2%84%A2%2C%20a%20fortified%20rice%20product. Gates fu anche "bannato" dall'India. https://rupe-india.org/57/gates. [21:28] schestowitz https://twitter.com/csolisr/status/1469769931440988166 [21:28] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@csolisr: @schestowitz As somebody who has to use Windows for reasons: yeah [21:28] schestowitz https://twitter.com/natynecc/status/1469708848344743936 [21:28] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@natynecc: @schestowitz I even Don't know what is Azure and wtf it's used? [21:28] schestowitz https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/1469599308739747843 [21:28] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@glynmoody: don't fall for the #bluehydrogen con... https://t.co/wAGhYPUYdR [21:28] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: NEWS #DeSmog Mapped: Europes #FossilFuel -Backed #Hydrogen Lobby https://t.co/jJ8A1kNXtf [21:29] schestowitz https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/1469598941901733890 [21:29] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@glynmoody: hey hey, it's the monkees... https://t.co/2hp8WWyDah [21:29] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: #nesmith https://t.co/c9yv8OPkx5 [21:29] schestowitz https://twitter.com/ssk85760565/status/1469594121274802176 [21:29] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@ssk85760565: Here comes the next US-created disaster in Aftica. #Ethiopia https://t.co/zORWcwHRDB [21:29] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: NEWS #MintPressNews Every Option Is on the Table: US Prepping for Libya-Style Intervention in #Ethiopia https://t.co/WOm3CsaVYH [21:29] schestowitz https://twitter.com/Z_ballss/status/1469590760836276225 [21:29] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Z_ballss: @schestowitz It means theyll be in poverty for a longer time now [21:29] schestowitz https://twitter.com/ManuelRomer2/status/1469502849633636356 [21:29] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@ManuelRomer2: @schestowitz https://t.co/QdBoOKyATX [21:29] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.gofundme.com | Fundraiser by Jessica Gonzalez : ABK Strike Fund [21:32] *tech_exorcist has quit (Quit: Goodbye) [21:32] *tech_exorcist (~tech_exorcist@rz4ymestk7bpi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [21:37] *u-amarsh04 has quit (connection closed) [21:37] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Connection closed) ● Dec 11 [22:04] *tech_exorcist has quit (Quit: Goodbye) [22:51] *techrights_guest|83 (~5198ee40@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Dec 11 [23:06] *techrights_guest|83 has quit (Quit: Connection closed)