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[06:14] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@dc77dxzcmjmaq.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [06:14] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-310501.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [06:14] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-310501.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jan 12 [08:04] schestowitz " Season's Greetings and Thanks from SUEPO [08:04] schestowitz Dear SUEPO Union Members, [08:04] schestowitz [08:04] schestowitz As we bid farewell to another year, we want to express our gratitude for your commitment and support throughout 2023. We are looking forward to 2024 with anticipation and optimism. [08:04] schestowitz [08:04] schestowitz We wish safe travels to those of you who are going away during this festive season. [08:04] schestowitz And to all member we wish a time filled with joy, relaxation, and cherished moments. We hope you return rejuvenated and ready for the New Year. [08:04] schestowitz [08:04] schestowitz Thank you for your dedication and contributions to SUEPO. Together, we are making a difference, and we look forward to another year of collective achievements. [08:04] schestowitz [08:04] schestowitz Merry Christmas and Happy New Year! [08:04] schestowitz [08:04] schestowitz " [08:47] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@u8ftxtfux23wk.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jan 12 [09:54] schestowitz https://diasporabr.com.br/posts/6221451 [09:54] *TechBN has quit (connection closed) [09:54] schestowitz " [09:54] schestowitz Always has been [09:54] schestowitz andreas_geisler@diaspora.glasswings.com [09:54] schestowitz andreas_geisler@diaspora.glasswings.com - a day ago [09:54] schestowitz Tell that to the freezepeacher fossbros. [09:54] schestowitz Unfortunately many of them vehemently hate users. [09:54] schestowitz Alexandre Oliva [09:54] schestowitz Alexandre Oliva - a day ago [09:54] schestowitz @dianea, open source has always been about developers and their masters. youre mistaking it for the free software movement. [09:54] schestowitz andreas_geisler@diaspora.glasswings.com [09:54] schestowitz andreas_geisler@diaspora.glasswings.com - a day ago [09:54] schestowitz See my comment above. [09:54] schestowitz With people like Stallman involved, the branches of FOSS they infest is never going to care about users. [09:54] schestowitz Alexandre Oliva [09:54] schestowitz Alexandre Oliva - a day ago [09:54] schestowitz @andreas, if you knew anything whatsoever about the person you write about, youd know how strongly he stands for users, and how much the nonsense raised about him comes from those who actually disregard users. but I guess its easier for you to believe and spread lies. disinformation flourishes because many people care deeply about injustice but very few check the facts. [09:54] schestowitz andreas_geisler@diaspora.glasswings.com [09:54] schestowitz andreas_geisler@diaspora.glasswings.com - a day ago [09:54] schestowitz He stands for users who are like himself. Hes an abuser, and a protector of abusers. [09:54] schestowitz Caring about users like myself is not caring about users. [09:54] schestowitz Alexandre Oliva [09:54] schestowitz Alexandre Oliva - a day ago [09:54] schestowitz yeah, those are exactly the lies pushed by corporations and people who dont care about users and thus wanted him to getting in the way of their abuse [09:54] schestowitz Alexandre Oliva [09:54] schestowitz Alexandre Oliva - a day ago [09:54] schestowitz wanted him to +stop+ getting in the way of their abuse [09:54] schestowitz andreas_geisler@diaspora.glasswings.com [09:54] schestowitz andreas_geisler@diaspora.glasswings.com - a day ago [09:54] schestowitz They are not being pushed by corporations, though. [09:54] schestowitz If you want to protect users, dont agitate in defense of sex offenders. [09:54] schestowitz Its like, choose one. And Stallman did. And all his cronies wriggled out of the woodworks to protect him. [09:54] schestowitz And its like this, Universally, if your movement is dependent on one old white dude, your movement aint worth shit. [09:54] schestowitz Alexandre Oliva [09:54] schestowitz Alexandre Oliva - a day ago [09:54] schestowitz they are being pushed by them, and thats pretty obvious when you see who has been pushing for them. [09:54] schestowitz surely you havent got the memo that put prof Minsky in the clear, right? he turned down Ms Giuffre when Epstein ordered her to offer herself to him. defending him from another false accusation was exactly the right thing to do. [09:54] schestowitz but making up accusations about sex do agitate people against the accused, whether or not the accusations are true. thats why manipulators so often resort to them against innocent people whose lives they wish to destroy. [09:54] schestowitz the movement is not dependent on him, even though he founded it, but with that youre just parroting yet another talking point of those who set out to get him out of the way. think about it: why do these pseudo-rationales always walk hand in hand, given that theyre not at all related? theyre a give away of what the people pushing those talking points are really after. its not about defending the victims of the sexual offe [09:54] schestowitz nses they made up, its not about strengthening the movement, both are about getting him out of the way. [09:54] schestowitz andreas_geisler@diaspora.glasswings.com [09:54] schestowitz andreas_geisler@diaspora.glasswings.com - a day ago [09:54] schestowitz Youre complete missing the point, and making a false claim: The claims against Minsky were never disproven and remain credible. [09:54] schestowitz But, thats just a tiny part of Stallmans creep credentials. [09:54] schestowitz Stallman has a looooooooooooooong history of casual sexism, and a looooong history of making absurd claims in defense of pedophiles. [09:54] schestowitz He is a creep, and its so fucking weak to claim its a conspiracy by corporations, Corporations didnt make Stallman write all those creepy comments. They did not make him single out underaged women in a sexualizing manner. [09:54] schestowitz Hes like those sweaty freaks in the back of the comic store who shouts if it bleeds it breeds whenever a girl enters. [09:54] schestowitz Geek culture IN GENERAL does absolutely have a pedocreep problem. Sweeping it under the carped will not do a damn thing to improve things, and Stallman is ensuring that the problem remains solidly carpeted in the FOSS culture. [09:54] schestowitz Alexandre Oliva [09:54] schestowitz Alexandre Oliva - about 24 hours ago [09:54] schestowitz creep credentials is exactly the fiction that has been pushed. [09:54] schestowitz he has a long history of standing against sexism, against discrimination on sexual orientation or gender expression, against racism, against ageism, and also against infantilization of teens. but hes also neurodivergent, which means his mind works differently from others, including his being unable to read body language. some people are exploiting that to harm his reputation and make him seem like a monster, misrepresenting his d [09:54] schestowitz efense of freedoms and his calling out manipulative language as defense of offenders. [09:54] schestowitz that doesnt make him the monster. that makes the people who judge him because of their own intolerance the monsters. and corporations are driving and exploiting that for their own advantage. theyve done a lot more to harm FLOSS than any imaginary sexual offense ever could. [09:54] schestowitz andreas_geisler@diaspora.glasswings.com [09:54] schestowitz andreas_geisler@diaspora.glasswings.com - about 24 hours ago [09:54] schestowitz Portraying a normalization of pedophilia as against ageism and against infantilization of teens [09:54] schestowitz The corporations dont want to take out Stallman. [09:54] schestowitz Stallman is doing more harm to FOSS by his very existence than they could ever do with propaganda. [09:54] schestowitz Stop hero-worshipping old white dudes. They are ALWAYS disposable. [09:54] schestowitz Alexandre Oliva [09:54] schestowitz Alexandre Oliva - about 24 hours ago [09:54] schestowitz theres no normalization of pedophilia. just as an example, the accusation against prof minsky was allegedly about that, but the sex slave ordered to offer herself to him was definitely not a child, she was enough of a grown up to be past the age of consent. that didnt matter, because she was a slave, but minsky didnt know about that, and he turned her down anyway. [09:54] schestowitz now, you might still believe the lies repeated a thousand times are true, but claiming that corporations dont want to take him out make it sound like youre one of their apologists. theyve been persistently disparaging him and trying to take him down since mid 1990s. why are you standing for them? how much are they paying you? or do you just think theyre really nice chaps? [09:54] schestowitz andreas_geisler@diaspora.glasswings.com [09:54] schestowitz andreas_geisler@diaspora.glasswings.com - about 24 hours ago [09:54] schestowitz You are the one sounding like a cultist. [09:54] schestowitz In your mind, any woman saying anything about Stallmans creepy behavior is, by definition, an underhanded agent of corporate power. [09:54] schestowitz There is literally nothing that would change your mind, because you are not applying any reason. [09:54] schestowitz Well-documented history means nothing to you, you see only what you want to see, and what you want to see is Stallman the White, in flowing robes, light bursting from his halo of privileged white malehood. [09:54] schestowitz SMH. [09:54] schestowitz Alexandre Oliva [09:54] schestowitz Alexandre Oliva - about 23 hours ago [09:54] schestowitz yeah, but the one believing something by an act of faith is not me. I have investigated rumors and accusations against him. they are fabrications that, once followed through, lead nowhere. find me one woman whom hes ever crept upon (whatever that means; thats part of the making up) or otherwise mistreated, rather than politely inviting to a date. seriously. the so-called well-documented history amounts to lies repeated a [09:54] schestowitz thousand times, often by people who mean well and dont know better. but rumors they are. try seriously to find their original source, and do so before further parroting made-up accusations by people who have long been looking for ways to bring him down, otherwise you come across like a member of their cult. [09:54] schestowitz andreas_geisler@diaspora.glasswings.com [09:54] schestowitz andreas_geisler@diaspora.glasswings.com - about 23 hours ago [09:54] schestowitz The history of men investigating womens claim of abuse and finding nothing is enough to damn you. [09:54] schestowitz Youre just one more misogynist, muttering angrily about fickle women as you jab at your keyboard, froth splattering from your contorted lips. [09:54] schestowitz Alexandre Oliva [09:54] schestowitz Alexandre Oliva - about 23 hours ago [09:54] schestowitz women have investigated and found nothing too, if that matters to you. but if you find that my finding nothing damns me, rather than the group whos made things up, well you are clearly part of a cult. deflects evidence against that faith by making up more and more nonsense is just the way cults deal with that. [09:54] schestowitz andreas_geisler@diaspora.glasswings.com [09:54] schestowitz andreas_geisler@diaspora.glasswings.com - about 23 hours ago [09:54] schestowitz They have not made things up. These fucking creepy emails are public record. [09:54] schestowitz You are a cultist, who has given up all reason on this subject. [09:54] schestowitz You think one old white dude is indispensible, thats already enough to judge you by. [09:54] schestowitz You play loose and fast with facts that are inconvenient, pretending that its somehow word against word, when Stallmans behavior is well-documented, and yes public record for the largest part. [09:54] schestowitz You are convinced of a corporate conspiracy, when you have exactly zero evidence of that. [09:54] schestowitz Stallman is so flawed that nobody would need to spend money on taking him down. In fact, his taking credit for free software is making sure that the creep factor among the fossbros is so high that it serves to marginalize the entire endeavor. [09:54] schestowitz Alexandre Oliva [09:54] schestowitz Alexandre Oliva - about 22 hours ago [09:54] schestowitz what creepy emails? those cautioning against the use of manipulative terms in the false accusations against prof Minsky, who turned out to be innocent of the abuse attributed to him? thats making things up twice. and since youre now making me part of it, its three times. typical cultist behavior. no logic, just making things up to avoid shattering the unsustainable belief. [09:54] schestowitz you return to mixing up two entirely unrelated matters, namely whether hes guilty of the accusations despite the absence of evidence, and whether hes indispensable or even suited to be part of the movement he founded. that by itself shows that youre a cultist who wants him out because of a belief rather than reason. [09:54] schestowitz a lie repeated a thousand times is not good documentation, and it doesnt become truth. your repeating it further doesnt add any credibility to it. show me the ultimate sources, rather than hearsay. serious investigations have led nowhere. cultists like you take rumors as truth, and denying the obvious interest of corporations in taking him out, long, notable and documented history of disparaging him, and well-known connections [09:54] schestowitz of the leaders of the cult to those corporations, makes your denial reinforce your cultist status. [09:54] schestowitz your reinforcing the marginalization that these corporations have paid significant money to get is just playing in their interest. have you at least got some of that money, or are you that much of a fool? [09:54] schestowitz andreas_geisler@diaspora.glasswings.com [09:54] schestowitz andreas_geisler@diaspora.glasswings.com - about 22 hours ago [09:54] schestowitz turned out to be innocent is incorrect. [09:54] schestowitz The charges remain credible. The estate raised no defamation suit, and the case where the allegations were made led to the conviction of Ghislaine Maxwell. [09:54] schestowitz Also, here is Stallman, waxing poetic about how natural it is for adult men to have sex with teenaged girls: [09:54] schestowitz Cody Wilson has been charged with sexual assault on a child after a session with a sex worker of age 16. [09:54] schestowitz What interesting scary-quotes, Dicky. [09:54] schestowitz The article refers to the sex worker as a child, but that is not so. Elsewhere it has been published that she is 16 years old. That is late adolescence, not childhood. [09:54] schestowitz Thats you being a creep, Dicky. [09:54] schestowitz Alexandre Oliva [09:54] schestowitz Alexandre Oliva - about 21 hours ago [09:54] schestowitz the charges against Minsky were a fabrication. Ms Giuffre didnt even alleged that he accepted the offer. all she said was that she was ordered to offer herself to him. that someone got convicted for enslaving her says absolutely nothing about whether any of the targets fell in the trap that was set up for them. but your insisting that theres a credible accusation based on zero evidence, and on someones fertile imagination a [09:54] schestowitz bout something that wasnt even alleged to have happened, tells me a lot more about you than about any of the people you judge. [09:54] schestowitz and that you mistake stallmans neurodivergent lectures against manipulative terms as if they were a defense of sexual offenses is, well, ignorance or malice. if its ignorance, some studying of neurodivergent traits, such as language inflexibility and mental rigidity would fix it, but if its malice, youll probably just make something else up [09:54] schestowitz andreas_geisler@diaspora.glasswings.com [09:54] schestowitz andreas_geisler@diaspora.glasswings.com - about 19 hours ago [09:54] schestowitz Youre lying again. [09:54] schestowitz https://duet-cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/0x0:1744x1414/828x671/filters:focal(872x707:873x708):format(webp)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/18957057/Screen_Shot_2019_08_09_at_1.34.59_PM.png [09:54] schestowitz The claim that Stallman is autistic and hence not able to talk un-creepily is absurd and offensive to actually autistic people. Stallman is just a creepy weirdo, and does not have an autism diagnosis, and also denies being autistic. [09:54] schestowitz In fact, Stallman is in favor of eugenics, regarding it as a mothers moral duty to abort disabled children, especially children with Downs syndrome, but his whacko rationalization would also extend to other disabilities, and maybe even just low intelligence, as his first version of that note hinged on doesnt have normal human mental capacity. [09:54] schestowitz Your mental gymnastics are unimpressive. The only interesting thing here is that you manage to fool yourself, even with such pathetic arguments. [09:54] schestowitz Alexandre Oliva [09:54] schestowitz Alexandre Oliva - about 18 hours ago [09:54] schestowitz Im not lying at all. youre misreading it. on line 8, the question claims Ms Maxwell directed Ms Giuffre, and on line 12, Ms Giuffre didnt dispute the implied claim. we can accept that. on line 13, if you read carefully (as trained lawyers ask one thing trying to make it seem like they asked another), the question is where did she go to do something, not where she did something. and she answered where she went to carry out h [09:54] schestowitz er orders, but not that she accomplished the mission. we dont even know from that whether she got as far as actually offering herself, but IIRC theres another deposition (or blog post) in which someone else who witnessed it confirms. [09:54] schestowitz the offensive conclusions were yours, not mine. what Im saying is that hes neurodivergent (theres no doubt about that), and so am I, and though were at different spots in the spectrum, I am better able to understand the ways he reasons, expresses himself, and gets triggered, than people who insist on being clueless about neurodivergence manage to. youre blinded by your ignorance and intolerance. youre doing to him [09:54] schestowitz and me much worse than you accuse him of in another misreading out of your ignorance, prejudice, and bloodthirst. if you think theres any shame in sharing the consensus recommendation from most medical doctors who arent under censorship share, youre the one making a fool of yourself. [09:54] schestowitz the term for what youre doing, misreading and guessing intentions of a neurodivergent based on neurotypical standards, is neurotypism (coined by my daughter, not very well know). its just one of the various forms of prejudice and violence that we suffer. but of course you wont care about that, and will find an excuse to dismiss or deny it, because youre only interested in protecting disabilities in order to attack the ta [09:54] schestowitz rgets you pick because of other disabilities youre not able or interested in understanding. youre such a horrible and hateful person! people accuse us of not having empathy, but wheres the empathy for us? you dont have any! [09:54] schestowitz andreas_geisler@diaspora.glasswings.com [09:54] schestowitz andreas_geisler@diaspora.glasswings.com - about 17 hours ago [09:54] schestowitz All you Stallman apologists go around claiming hes neurodivergent, as if that would justify having appalling opinions. Being autistic does not make a person have appalling opinions, thats on that person all by themselves. [09:54] schestowitz Stallman doesnt have a diagnosis, and denies being neurodivergent, so its just something you guys are throwing in as a last ditch defense of the indefensible. [09:54] schestowitz That is not how that works. You dont get to just impose a diagnosis on someone because they have appalling opinions, and you wish theyd shut the fuck up. [09:54] schestowitz You are also not a Stallman apologist because youre neurodivergent, its because you are perfectly OK with the boys-only club that disgusting creeps like Stallman helped create. [09:54] schestowitz Remember, women were the dominant force in computer science until the 80s. [09:54] schestowitz Stallman was part of the generation that made women unwelcome, in very short time. [09:54] schestowitz They were very effective, and all manner of male mediocrities in computer science owe them a great debt, because they would never have gotten anywhere if the original coders hadnt been pushed out. [09:54] schestowitz andreas_geisler@diaspora.glasswings.com [09:54] schestowitz andreas_geisler@diaspora.glasswings.com - about 17 hours ago [09:54] schestowitz For the record, I am also neurodivergent, which is why I get so fucking mad that youre trying to claim its normal for ND people to be toxic assholes. [09:54] schestowitz It isnt. Shame on you. [09:54] schestowitz Alexandre Oliva [09:54] schestowitz Alexandre Oliva - about 17 hours ago [09:54] schestowitz as if that would justify having appalling opinions [09:54] schestowitz no, Im not saying that. Im saying he does NOT hold those appalling opinions. they follow from miscommunication because of different ways of thinking. [09:54] schestowitz he may have denied being autistic, but he knows hes neurodivergent. who cares about diagnoses when its so obvious? [09:54] schestowitz You dont get to just impose a diagnosis on someone because they have appalling opinions [09:54] schestowitz and yet thats exactly what youre doing. but because of miscommunication, you leaped to the wrong diagnosis. [09:54] schestowitz you are perfectly OK with the boys-only club [09:54] schestowitz BS. Im not, and neither is he, and were working to fix it. [09:54] schestowitz Its not like he pushed women away. people who made things up about him did, much to everyones disappointment. [09:54] schestowitz I am also neurodivergent [09:54] schestowitz cool, what are your superpowers? your current hyperfocus? your trigger words and sensations? hypersensitivities and hiposensitivities? recurring/sustained narrow interests? how often are you misunderstood when you try to convey an idea? are most of your few close friends neurodivergent too? [09:54] schestowitz youre trying to claim its normal for ND people to be toxic assholes [09:54] schestowitz make of that whatever you wish, but you are coming across as a toxic asshole [09:54] schestowitz were not toxic assholes, but because were different, its not too difficult for others to paint us as such. and a lot of people, even neurodivergents, fall for that because of neurotypism, because, being a minority, even some of us learn what is normal and model others behaviors based on that, without realizing that neurodivergents can be different among ourselves, that our mental processes can be different, that ou [09:54] schestowitz r perceptions of context can be different, that underlying thoughts and rationales that lead us to say certain things may be very different from underlying thoughts and rationales that would lead neurotypicals to say those things. and then we promote hatred towards our own. we need more empathy, more tolerance, more understanding, not more persecution. youve been doing great injustice to a great person, based on miscommunication [09:54] schestowitz and false allegations promoted by intolerant people and psychopathic corporations. [09:54] schestowitz andreas_geisler@diaspora.glasswings.com [09:54] schestowitz andreas_geisler@diaspora.glasswings.com - about 3 hours ago [09:54] schestowitz He very obviously does hold atrocious opinions about how normal it is for grown men to have sex with teenaged girls. [09:54] schestowitz He expounds on those opinions with appalling frequency. [09:54] schestowitz He also engages in erasure of the work of women in FOSS. [09:54] schestowitz Many women have expressed how toxic an environment he creates. [09:54] schestowitz But nothing can convince you, because youre a Gygaxian paladin, in defense of your Lord and Master. [09:54] schestowitz Well fuck you right to hell, scumbag. [09:54] schestowitz Alexandre Oliva [09:54] schestowitz Alexandre Oliva - about 2 hours ago [09:54] schestowitz I see youre back to your cult fabrications. oh well [09:54] schestowitz its within your rights to find opinions atrocious, but it would be kind if you wouldnt twist them first. getting people to hate strawmen is not so hard, but the hate hurts actual very kind people, whom youve learned to dehumanize. [09:54] schestowitz maybe some day youll actually look into what youre saying, instead of hating based on hearsay by those who create a toxic environment for us and who work very hard to erase our work. [09:54] schestowitz andreas_geisler@diaspora.glasswings.com [09:54] schestowitz andreas_geisler@diaspora.glasswings.com - about 2 hours ago [09:54] schestowitz The only good part of this old white man bullcrap is that age brings death, so he cant remain in place forever. [09:54] schestowitz Most likely his hand-picked cronies will be in jail for magat insurrection by then so FOSS can finally be free of his influence. [09:54] schestowitz Alexandre Oliva [09:54] schestowitz Alexandre Oliva - about an hour ago [09:54] schestowitz I suppose you dont even realize how horrible a person you come across as for writing such things. after dehumanizing someone else, one may feel like anything goes, but those who havent joined your cult can see who the real monster is [09:54] schestowitz andreas_geisler@diaspora.glasswings.com [09:54] schestowitz andreas_geisler@diaspora.glasswings.com - about an hour ago [09:54] schestowitz You are defending a harmful old man, who dehumanizes women, and attracts misogynists and freezepeachers to the FOSS movement. [09:54] schestowitz Youve lied repeatedly in this conversation, and belittled victims of sexual abuse in the process, and you cant even see it yourself, because you are just following your Great Leader into the moral morass. [09:54] schestowitz You are pitiful. [09:54] schestowitz Alexandre Oliva [09:54] schestowitz Alexandre Oliva - 37 minutes ago [09:54] schestowitz that is no more than your atrocious and misguided opinion about one of the kindest persons whos ever lived, who has done you no harm, but who has been a victim of an atrocious difamation cult. [09:54] schestowitz I have not lied, I havent belittled victims (unlike you), and you cant see it because you are following your cult leaders into the moral morass. [09:54] schestowitz and whats worse, you care more about the hearsay lies spread by people you dont even know, about people you dont even know, and proudly spew hatred. [09:54] schestowitz me, I at least know the person were talking about. were close friends. I know what Im speaking of. I stand against the injustice youre committing. but you? you are a clueless cult follower, projecting that onto me. [09:54] schestowitz " [09:54] *TechBN (~b0t@iijacan2vrgta.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [09:54] -TechBN/#boycottnovell-Failed to load module HelloWorld. Reason: Not found! [09:54] -TechBN/#boycottnovell-Module HelloWorld has been removed until restarted! [09:59] *TechBN has quit (connection closed) [09:59] *TechBN (~b0t@iijacan2vrgta.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [09:59] -TechBN/#boycottnovell-Failed to load module HelloWorld. Reason: Not found! [09:59] -TechBN/#boycottnovell-Module HelloWorld has been removed until restarted! ● Jan 12 [10:14] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [10:14] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [10:14] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [10:15] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-310501.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [10:15] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-310501.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [10:15] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@dc77dxzcmjmaq.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [10:31] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [10:31] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [10:31] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [10:36] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-310501.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [10:36] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-310501.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [10:36] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@dc77dxzcmjmaq.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jan 12 [11:19] *psydroid2 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [11:40] schestowitz I have read everything and can relate only to one side. IME, social control media lead to combative, impolite and unproductive exchanges, to be lost forever less than a week later. Better to rebut in well organised blog posts, then link to them later if necessary. [11:41] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@u8ftxtfux23wk.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jan 12 [17:59] *kvaii (~kvaii@freenode-2ue.6ih.pu7h8v.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [17:59] *kvaii (~kvaii@freenode-2ue.6ih.pu7h8v.IP) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jan 12 [18:07] *psydroid2 has quit (Quit: KVIrc 5.0.0 Aria http://www.kvirc.net/)