●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Saturday, February 12, 2022 ●● ● Feb 12 [00:15] *Despatche has quit (Quit: Read error: Connection reset by deer) ● Feb 12 [01:20] *psydroid2 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Feb 12 [04:01] schestowitz-TR just a reminder: server downtime should be expected shortly [04:25] *Disconnected (Remote host closed socket). ● Feb 12 [05:00] *Now talking on #boycottnovell [05:00] *Topic for #boycottnovell is: TechRights.org | Channel #boycottnovell for http://TechRights.org | Free Software Sentry watching and reporting maneuvers of those who oppose software freedom :: please also join channels #techrights and #boycottnovell-social [05:00] *Topic for #boycottnovell set by schestowitz!~roy@haii6za73zabc.irc at Tue Jun 1 20:22:10 2021 [05:00] *viera (~viera@njsz8uc49vydg.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [05:00] *liberty_box (~liberty@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [05:00] *Seaduck- (~seaduck@ys9kag65kxsiu.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [05:00] *rianne_ (~rianne@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [05:00] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@m6g9eirgk498q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [05:00] *libertybox (~schestowitz_log@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [05:00] *schestowitz (~roy@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [05:00] *irc.techrights.org sets mode +q #boycottnovell schestowitz [05:00] *TechrightsBN (~b0t@ju4kayhrhsm6a.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [05:00] TechrightsBN Hello World! I'm TechrightsBN running phIRCe v0.75 [05:01] *activelow (~activelow@dmw5b4ab5hxvs.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [05:01] *Techrights-sec (~quassel@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [05:01] *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@y56qsb6r6yg94.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [05:01] *qa2 (~sid145515@frp6gv52kp9fi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [05:05] *buzzert (~buzzert@zmgw33tt22mkn.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [05:06] *MinceR (~mincer@bringer.of.light) has joined #boycottnovell [05:06] *irc.techrights.org sets mode +a #boycottnovell MinceR [05:49] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [05:54] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@t3qravr6ir246.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Feb 12 [07:08] *DaemonFC has quit (connection closed) ● Feb 12 [08:25] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@cqggrmwgu7gji.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [08:31] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [08:54] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@joseon-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [08:54] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@7hnksqkvhrvj2.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Feb 12 [10:31] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [10:31] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [10:42] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@joseon-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [10:42] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@7hnksqkvhrvj2.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Feb 12 [12:34] Techrights-sec excellent, the rate is picking up [12:34] Techrights-sec Is there a convenient API for Drupal which the FSF could use easly to [12:34] Techrights-sec extract content and convert to Gemtext? [12:34] Techrights-sec IIRC TuxMachines is Drupal. [12:34] schestowitz-TR sorry, was recording [12:35] schestowitz-TR yes, I thought about tuxmachines, but with almost 170k pages and not much original among them I would not consider gemini for it [12:35] schestowitz-TR those pages link to http [12:35] schestowitz-TR I do not know of drupal-specific gemini tools and mind you, I watch these tools closely to see new things [12:36] schestowitz-TR re distro.tube at gemini [12:36] schestowitz-TR for half a year I've repeatedly tried to access it [12:36] schestowitz-TR hoping that DT would restore the service/capsule [12:36] schestowitz-TR seems he took too much [12:36] schestowitz-TR like distrotoot [12:36] schestowitz-TR and it now cutting down [12:36] schestowitz-TR maybe gulagtube also deranks him [12:36] schestowitz-TR I did not check [12:37] schestowitz-TR as I cite him as yewtu.be [12:37] schestowitz-TR of odysee when you send me the corresponding URLs [12:37] schestowitz-TR odysee is its OWN jar of worms [12:43] Techrights-sec ack ● Feb 12 [13:15] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [13:15] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [13:16] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@joseon-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [13:16] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@7hnksqkvhrvj2.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [13:34] schestowitz-TR now running piclone ont he rasp400, usb to microsd [13:34] schestowitz-TR that backup will also contain all the gemini pages, even though the system accoun [13:34] schestowitz-TR t "gemini" was removed [13:34] schestowitz-TR so a bit of an insurance policy, given that rianne is not likely to [13:34] schestowitz-TR use up 32gb of storage anyway [13:34] Techrights-sec odysee only works with an account because you have to spend a week or two [13:34] Techrights-sec blocking cranks and whackdoodle accounts before you start to see anythig of [13:34] Techrights-sec either use or interest in the UI [13:34] Techrights-sec The experience with Drupal might help give tips to the FSF about how t [13:34] Techrights-sec they can export to Gemtext. TM has nothing to gain from a Gemini presence, [13:34] Techrights-sec from what I can see. But it has given familiarity with Drupal. [13:38] schestowitz-TR i have just tralled to the front page of odysee [13:38] schestowitz-TR ido not have an ccount there [13:38] schestowitz-TR it is not much distateful content [13:38] schestowitz-TR not judging by the front page [13:38] schestowitz-TR no worse than gulagtube [13:38] schestowitz-TR in gulagtube you feel like they follow you around and profiule you [13:38] schestowitz-TR maube odysee does the same,but it feels generic [13:38] schestowitz-TR the interface does not feel like a web page [13:38] schestowitz-TR and videos are not video files per se [13:38] schestowitz-TR so that kind of suck [13:38] schestowitz-TR *sucks [13:46] Techrights-sec ack [13:46] Techrights-sec As mentioned the majority needs to be culled using blocking heavily in order [13:46] Techrights-sec for it to be useful. [13:46] schestowitz-TR i have just attempted to play some videos [13:46] schestowitz-TR as in the past some would not even load [13:46] schestowitz-TR I don't know exactly how lbry works [13:46] schestowitz-TR but to me it misses the point that [13:46] schestowitz-TR 1) people should self-host and [13:46] schestowitz-TR 2)KEEP IT SIMPLE [13:46] schestowitz-TR spinning off loated shit like mastodon will cause complication, like new PHP [13:46] schestowitz-TR versions and database going all w0nky [13:47] Techrights-sec It sucks, but it sucks slightly less than Youtube. :/ [13:50] schestowitz-TR If they do not have a business model and are riding someone's bank account, [13:50] schestowitz-TR as joindiaspora did, [13:50] schestowitz-TR tnen [13:50] schestowitz-TR 1) they will turn evil [13:50] schestowitz-TR 2) they will shut down [13:50] schestowitz-TR so you often need to assess whether they are sustinable [13:50] schestowitz-TR when I looked into them in 2020 it was LBRY [13:50] schestowitz-TR where is LBRY as a domain today? [13:50] schestowitz-TR this is far too volatile and new [13:50] schestowitz-TR LunK00k put lots of stuff there [13:50] schestowitz-TR and shilled them to death [13:50] schestowitz-TR now EVEN HIS RANT ABOUT THEM is offline [13:50] schestowitz-TR I spent ages trying to retreive it, [13:50] schestowitz-TR but odysee is JS [13:51] schestowitz-TR so gulag and IA has no copies [13:51] schestowitz-TR *had [13:51] schestowitz-TR only thing >I had left was poortions in TR Daily Links [13:51] schestowitz-TR So I was not anble to explin what wernt wrong there [13:51] schestowitz-TR ther reason itself vanished ● Feb 12 [14:03] Techrights-sec The business model is crytpocurrency. The videos are just a front. [14:03] Techrights-sec I figure option #2 sometime. [14:03] Techrights-sec Videos are ephemeral anyway. [14:12] Techrights-sec """ [14:12] Techrights-sec Usenet died for four reasons: [14:12] Techrights-sec It got spammed to death. [14:12] Techrights-sec It lost control over its culture, and that culture was crucial to its functio [14:12] Techrights-sec ning. [14:12] Techrights-sec It was too problematic for ISPs (or others) to provide ready access to it: sp [14:13] Techrights-sec am, harassment, child pornography, and copyright violations all posed massive con [14:13] Techrights-sec cerns. [14:13] Techrights-sec There was no viable business model for providing the service. [14:13] Techrights-sec """ [14:13] Techrights-sec Points 1 and 2 especially. [14:13] schestowitz-TR https://joindiaspora.com/posts/22282896 [14:13] schestowitz-TR https://diaspora.glasswings.com/posts/049bdfc06cd7013a2d24448a5b29e257 [14:13] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@podmin@joindiaspora.com: # Hello JoinDiaspora there is some unfortunate news to share. Feneas will be dissolved and as Joindiaspora is one of the services. JD will also be shut down on 1 March. This is unless we can find someone who wants to take over the service. If you think you can handle the task please contact us via [hq@feneas.org](mailto:hq@feneas.org). You can find the original post below or via https://git.feneas.org/feneas/ [14:13] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> git.feneas.org | meetings/agm-minutes-2021-12-09.txt master Feneas / association GitLab [14:13] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> git.feneas.org | meetings/agm-minutes-2022-01-04.txt master Feneas / association GitLab [14:13] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> git.feneas.org | Feneas GitLab [14:13] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-diaspora.glasswings.com | Social Control Media is a Bubble and JoinDiaspora Might be the Next... [14:43] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Connection closed) [14:43] *u-amarsh04 has quit (connection closed) ● Feb 12 [15:30] schestowitz-TR I know you have not played around with piclone [15:31] schestowitz-TR but I think they host only in shithub [15:31] schestowitz-TR and there are some bugs [15:31] schestowitz-TR it's not something they give much love to [15:31] schestowitz-TR it neeeds to run with a bunch of options [15:31] schestowitz-TR and if run from the CLI you see the rough edges [15:31] schestowitz-TR at the moment I run it over ssh with x-forwarding [15:31] schestowitz-TR it's GUI only [15:31] schestowitz-TR so I cannot run it in a screen session [15:31] schestowitz-TR this is progressing (rianne's machine) [15:31] schestowitz-TR but may take another 3-5 hours [15:31] schestowitz-TR that includes all the oibjects that were in other accounts although I deleted [15:31] schestowitz-TR the accounts and disabled all the syst5emd services that are not needed [15:31] schestowitz-TR bottom line: piclone can be powerful, and can be very simple to use [15:31] schestowitz-TR but under the hood it's a bit crude [15:31] schestowitz-TR yes, I saw the source code last time [15:31] schestowitz-TR when trying to assess when the progress bar was not progressing for line 4 hours ● Feb 12 [18:16] schestowitz-TR --- [18:16] schestowitz-TR rianne's pi is now backed up to microsd, labeled [18:16] schestowitz-TR the gemini etc. server is now halfway through making a complerte snapshot [18:16] schestowitz-TR to usb, 32GB, as before... [18:16] schestowitz-TR atm I work on part 50 for tomorrow, epo [18:16] schestowitz-TR today and tomorrow I will asssess whether to delete some or all gulag noise feeds [18:16] schestowitz-TR , except maybe "linux" things because of tux machines [18:16] schestowitz-TR rianne's pi is now backed up to microsd, labeled [18:16] schestowitz-TR the gemini etc. server is now halfway through making a complerte snapshot [18:16] schestowitz-TR to usb, 32GB, as before... [18:17] schestowitz-TR atm I work on part 50 for tomorrow, epo [18:17] schestowitz-TR today and tomorrow I will asssess whether to delete some or all gulag noise feeds [18:17] schestowitz-TR , except maybe "linux" things because of tux machines [18:19] *wallacer (~quassel@6bsu33ajs4zs4.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [18:33] schestowitz-TR --- [18:33] schestowitz-TR i really love how the pis are working [18:33] schestowitz-TR I also love how easy they are to offload to a fingernail-sized thing [18:33] schestowitz-TR I wonder, [18:33] schestowitz-TR back on the ol' days we had sueme linux [18:33] schestowitz-TR we could, in principle, convert the nginx/gemini cambo into a .osi [18:33] schestowitz-TR one that lets people surf the site 'offline' [18:33] schestowitz-TR using gemini or http [18:33] schestowitz-TR the logistics would not be hard [18:33] schestowitz-TR *.iso [18:36] schestowitz-TR alternatively, a tool COULD be developed (I know of no wuch tool) [18:36] schestowitz-TR which converts a gemini basedir into a surfable thing like Xanadu [18:36] schestowitz-TR and make it downloadable as a compress archive for offline access or [18:36] schestowitz-TR fopr longterm preservation [18:40] *schestowitz has quit (Quit: Konversation term) [18:40] *schestowitz has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [18:42] *schestowitz (~roy@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [18:42] *irc.techrights.org sets mode +q #boycottnovell schestowitz [18:42] *schestowitz (~schestowi@freenode/user/schestowitz) has joined #boycottnovell ● Feb 12 [19:17] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@t2t3yitnus4r8.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [19:46] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Feb 12 [20:19] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@7hnksqkvhrvj2.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [20:19] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@joseon-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [20:50] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@m4vhwzwfnmxia.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Feb 12 [21:10] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Connection closed) [21:10] *u-amarsh04 has quit (connection closed) [21:52] Techrights-sec it would be easy enough to have a tarball of any Gemini site. Gemtext is [21:52] Techrights-sec highly compressible, too.