●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, June 13, 2022 ●● ● Jun 13 [00:45] schestowitz-TR I've added list-rss-feed.sh to git [00:45] schestowitz-TR not the list itself, but something that just flattens and sorts of opml [00:45] schestowitz-TR this can be used to track additions of feeds over time [00:45] schestowitz-TR for gemini we have two very long files, lists of xml feeds for gemini capsules [00:45] schestowitz-TR the hope it to encourage people to use these ● Jun 13 [02:19] *Despatche (~desp@u3xy9z2ifjzci.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [02:31] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [02:31] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jun 13 [03:05] *schestowitz has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [03:06] *schestowitz (~roy@hcdms2vr9hu9e.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [03:06] *irc.techrights.org sets mode +q #boycottnovell schestowitz [03:42] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [03:42] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [03:48] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 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I'm shocked that some MSM sites became surprisingly small (very few original stories per day) [11:07] schestowitz-TR btw, irc logs not posted yet [11:39] Techrights-sec2 IRC logs posted [11:39] schestowitz-TR thanks, I'll post Daily Links now [11:39] schestowitz-TR I'm still trying to net more and more RSS feeds [11:39] schestowitz-TR identifying sites and sections that cover relevant topics, then pursuing feeds for these [11:39] schestowitz-TR I find a ton of interesting things along the way [11:42] schestowitz-TR is there something sensitive in the list of feeds (1150 or so in total, after dupe removal)? i've been trying to make a repeatable process with sorting to [11:42] schestowitz-TR change-control the list, potentially, but realise some reveals stuff about the collector's taste [11:42] schestowitz-TR I used to spend days hunting for RSS feeds, there's no authoritative source of an "OPML central" (which incidentally can be like DMOZ but for XML) [11:47] Techrights-sec2 ack [11:47] Techrights-sec2 the RSS feeds turn upwhen they turn up [11:52] schestowitz-TR see /tmp/sorted-rss-feeds.txt [11:52] schestowitz-TR output from list-rss-feed.sh [11:52] schestowitz-TR just sent over as well [11:54] Techrights-sec2 ack [11:54] Techrights-sec2 is that generated with the latest version of the script? [11:56] schestowitz-TR maybe I changed the filename a bit [11:59] Techrights-sec2 is that generated with the latest version of the script? [11:59] Techrights-sec2 check Git [11:59] schestowitz-TR thanks [11:59] schestowitz-TR (markdown works ok with git, xml with ordered sets and unordered sets is not git territories, hence no opml) [11:59] schestowitz-TR checking git ● Jun 13 [12:02] schestowitz-TR hang on, trying to avert multitasking overload [12:02] schestowitz-TR learning froma recent past mistake... [12:02] schestowitz-TR I think a next chapter for us, which merits promotion, is the concept of moving away from cenralised platforms of all sorts and using rss to do the "legwo [12:02] schestowitz-TR rk" [12:02] schestowitz-TR which is not the same as gemini, in geminispace too there's a growing centralisation issue as some provide gemini "hosting" for "accounts" [12:02] Techrights-sec2 ack [12:06] schestowitz-TR ok, pushed [12:06] schestowitz-TR people are lazy [12:06] schestowitz-TR or unfamiliar with rss [12:06] schestowitz-TR anything to lower the entry barrier can put them OFF social control media [12:06] schestowitz-TR they think they "need" that to know what's new [12:20] Techrights-sec2 checking [12:22] schestowitz-TR "I recently discovered that my ISP was blocking the domain 'rt.com'. This is the domain of a 'sanctioned' media company, Russia Today. Prior to Russia invading Ukraine, this was a mainstream news source." gemini://gemini.susa.net/shocking_dns_nothingness.gmi [12:30] Techrights-sec2 ack [12:31] schestowitz-TR slippery slope [12:31] schestowitz-TR 1. "pirate" sites (only after lengthy court battles, in some nations) [12:31] schestowitz-TR 2. "news" source we do not agree with [12:31] schestowitz-TR ... ● Jun 13 [13:01] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [13:01] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [13:34] schestowitz-TR draft [13:34] schestowitz-TR I've just added a newer (shorter) one [13:34] schestowitz-TR I think this subject is rarely explored [13:34] schestowitz-TR In Gemini drawing a fake table is the only way [13:34] schestowitz-TR with ''' (slanted) [13:34] Techrights-sec2 ack [13:34] Techrights-sec2 checking [13:34] Techrights-sec2 a regular HTML table would work there [13:34] Techrights-sec2 ack [13:41] Techrights-sec2 I seldom check youtube videos; even going in to specific known videos, [13:41] Techrights-sec2 they are filled with ads and you have to interact with the ad to get [13:41] Techrights-sec2 past it otherwise the video will not return. I'm a about completely [13:41] Techrights-sec2 done with youtube [13:42] schestowitz-TR this morning while shaving I watched the latest video from robertson [13:42] schestowitz-TR rianne makes fun of his voice, she cannot help it, says he sounds like female [13:42] schestowitz-TR his video showed not much on the screen, but he pastes together many "takes" [13:42] schestowitz-TR the video had little actual value because it was repetitive [13:42] schestowitz-TR basically, arch good, but not for everything, coz hard... [13:42] schestowitz-TR if you STILL want to watch youtube, do what rianne does and get librewold [13:42] schestowitz-TR for now, at least, it rids you from lots of the crap [13:42] schestowitz-TR she is glad to have lft firefox behind [13:42] schestowitz-TR partly because of the viewing experience, while it lasts... [13:42] schestowitz-TR afaik, yutube-dl and derivs are for downloading more than for streaming (yes, I know [13:42] schestowitz-TR those are similar) [13:42] schestowitz-TR if I see a video I really like, I download, keep, replay [13:43] Techrights-sec2 mosty empty commentary from him though sometimes on rare occasion quite [13:43] Techrights-sec2 insightful [13:43] Techrights-sec2 but the arch video was not one of the good ones [13:43] Techrights-sec2 youtube-dl still works most ofthe time but is very slow and can take an hour [13:43] Techrights-sec2 for a video that might be skipped sometimes after seeing the first seconds [13:43] Techrights-sec2 i see few of those and have no real way of properly cataloguing them [13:43] Techrights-sec2 there are on occasion those that I would prefer to bring public attention to [13:46] schestowitz-TR there needs to be a IA/Wayback Machine for video [13:46] schestowitz-TR I know they host videos, but that is not the same [13:46] schestowitz-TR a lot of videos we linked to or used in techrgihts over the years are just blank slot now [13:46] schestowitz-TR for some posts, the posts are rendered next to worthless, except near time of publicaiton [13:46] schestowitz-TR like those that link to Lunduke videos [13:46] schestowitz-TR he removed almost every video he ever made [13:47] Techrights-sec2 that had been Youtube before it was purchased [13:47] Techrights-sec2 LBRY is still there but is nearly 100% garbage, [13:47] Techrights-sec2 because of URLs it is still possible to point to useful material there [13:47] Techrights-sec2 but only if one comes in from the outside to a known good video [13:47] Techrights-sec2 searching and browsing will only bring garbage there [13:50] schestowitz-TR LBRY seems like fakecoin inflation pump and dump [13:50] schestowitz-TR with 'free' hosting as bait [13:50] schestowitz-TR last night in gemini I saw a post about a similar platform that mandates you play the NFT spiel [13:50] schestowitz-TR just to be admitted inside [13:50] schestowitz-TR the way to go is peertube [13:50] schestowitz-TR but unless it's a popular video with many peers it's too slow to get going [13:50] schestowitz-TR even the blender instance of it was way too slow for me [13:50] schestowitz-TR I did not try searching odysee, but I'm not too interested either [13:50] schestowitz-TR it doesn't work in my browser of choice [13:51] Techrights-sec2 :( [13:51] Techrights-sec2 I've not used peertube, it's too slow :/ [13:51] Techrights-sec2 Odysee is just a UI for LBRY the same comment applies there plus it is infected [13:51] Techrights-sec2 with gratuitious and useless javascript [13:55] schestowitz-TR if the world's datacentres, CDNs and underwater cables can bear the load of gulagtube, netflix, iptv etc. then this is an allocaiton-of-capacity [13:55] schestowitz-TR issue rather than a real technocal peril [13:55] schestowitz-TR but "powers DAT BEEEE" like it the way it is and won't just give away the powers associated with centralisation and DRM [13:55] schestowitz-TR better yet, with p2p you free up a lot of untapped capacity og bluetooth and wifi [13:55] schestowitz-TR meshing for instance [13:55] schestowitz-TR but efficiency isn't a priority, even for the so-called "green agenda" politicians [13:55] schestowitz-TR they most resort to low-cost pandering with sound bites and distance-future promises, pledges [13:55] schestowitz-TR apropos, give each person a 5 TB drive with "content", inc. wikipedia in all language, you'll help the planet vastly more [13:55] schestowitz-TR than all those graft (boradbast access) programmes [13:55] schestowitz-TR *brandband [13:55] Techrights-sec2 ack [13:55] Techrights-sec2 YaCy tried that but could not gain traction ● Jun 13 [14:33] Techrights-sec2 https://yacy.net/ [14:33] Techrights-sec2 maybe after the mythical OS upgrade we can run an instance of YaCy at TR, [14:33] Techrights-sec2 first for the site itself, later for documents pointed to in the daily links [14:33] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-yacy.net | Home - YaCy [14:34] schestowitz-TR yes, more likle migration to a new container or VM [14:34] schestowitz-TR which depends on the network too being configured to point to the new one when it is ready [14:34] schestowitz-TR ipfs is a dht pollution machine [14:34] schestowitz-TR akin to shitcoin with merkle trees [14:34] schestowitz-TR I've grown dissatisfied [14:34] schestowitz-TR the more you throw at it, the more it takes [14:34] schestowitz-TR until you push the limits of hardware and network [14:34] schestowitz-TR it's like a corporation :-) [14:34] schestowitz-TR yes, more likle migration to a new container or VM [14:34] schestowitz-TR which depends on the network too being configured to point to the new one when it is ready [14:56] Techrights-sec2 ack [14:57] schestowitz-TR rss news have become calmer since not receiving microsofters in the feeds [14:57] schestowitz-TR or spam or false positives [14:57] schestowitz-TR I've just made some gemini fixes [14:57] schestowitz-TR the trash there does exist, but it's not corporate trash [14:57] schestowitz-TR just people with trash for brains sometimes [14:57] Techrights-sec2 ack [14:58] Techrights-sec2 checking ● Jun 13 [15:00] schestowitz-TR i also learned some git syntax in the process [15:00] schestowitz-TR like how to watch a particular old version of a file [15:00] schestowitz-TR git show commit-id:path-to-file/file [15:00] schestowitz-TR I was trying to understand how a dupe in the imports crept in [15:01] schestowitz-TR I tried to model an addition based on an existing one, forgot to delete the model [15:01] schestowitz-TR didn't notice until now [15:01] schestowitz-TR the page to use is AllInOne.gmi [15:01] schestowitz-TR that compresses everything and organised it [15:01] Techrights-sec2 yes [15:01] Techrights-sec2 ack [15:02] schestowitz-TR had we used rss software that is extensible, it would be possible to do processing there too [15:02] schestowitz-TR the automated feeds already do that to some degree, e.g. dupe detection [15:03] schestowitz-TR also the spamSites.pm detection/matching [15:03] Techrights-sec2 ack [15:03] Techrights-sec2 yes there is some caching in the RSS specification or at least a request [15:03] Techrights-sec2 for how often is the maximum update frequency [15:08] schestowitz-TR if impelemneted correctly, rss files are cheap to send, cheaper than most images [15:08] schestowitz-TR cacing rss is very eay [15:08] schestowitz-TR you only attach a trigger even to new "content" adds, modify the file once [15:08] schestowitz-TR a page with 50 images in it should be more cumbersome for a server than 50 requests for the same rss feed [15:08] Techrights-sec2 /if/ implemented correctly, some embed whole articles :/ [15:14] schestowitz-TR giving full article rss is good practice [15:14] schestowitz-TR appreciate by many [15:14] schestowitz-TR appreciated [15:14] schestowitz-TR it can actually help performane [15:14] schestowitz-TR and lower toll on your site [15:14] schestowitz-TR because people do not go to the site to get css files sd such [15:14] schestowitz-TR full rss, full story text [15:14] schestowitz-TR the issue is, some fear it would be leveraged for scraping and plagiarism (as happens) [15:14] schestowitz-TR some sites cannot deal too well with relative paths (e.g. for images), so it also helps to have images and attachment as [15:14] schestowitz-TR "self-contained" [15:14] schestowitz-TR full story rss is terrible for metrics like "pageviews" [15:14] schestowitz-TR because some people onlye ven fetch xml filkes [15:14] schestowitz-TR and not even per-page xml [15:14] schestowitz-TR in those cases, one surrogate for view, assuming the rss reader can diusplay image, is number of requests for an image in that page/post [15:14] Techrights-sec2 except that those badly done RSS feeds seem to fetch images too [15:14] Techrights-sec2 ack [15:34] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jun 13 [16:03] *spazzz is now known as spazz ● Jun 13 [17:31] schestowitz-TR https://nitter.it/stautistic/status/1536377800835289088#m [17:31] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-mitchel lewis (@stautistic): "Stuff like this is why I have to do things like get @schestowitz to re-host their crazy ass blog posts for posterity: http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/Create-stickiness-with-IP-Microsoft-Partner-Network.pdf"|nitter.it [17:33] schestowitz-TR https://nitter.it/GossiTheDog/status/1536118999221735426#m [17:33] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Kevin Beaumont (@GossiTheDog): "apparently MS has my tweets monitored so I do plan to finish live tweeting seasons 4, 5 and 6 of Dawson's Creek for their entertainment"|nitter.it [17:34] schestowitz-TR https://nitter.it/GossiTheDog/status/1536116460359192576#m [17:34] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Kevin Beaumont (@GossiTheDog): "if u followed me for cybersecurity stuff, monday to fridays work hours i do boring cyber stuff, evenings is Love Island and Dawson's Creek, and Saturday and Sunday is video games."|nitter.it [17:34] schestowitz-TR https://nitter.it/GossiTheDog/status/1536118999221735426#m [17:34] schestowitz-TR https://nitter.it/stautistic/status/1536378116137811968#m [17:35] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-mitchel lewis (@stautistic): "Totally a coincidence"|nitter.it [17:35] schestowitz-TR https://nitter.it/zoobab/status/1536253258821509120#m [17:35] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-zoobab "NO Software Patents" (@zoobab): "UPC in Slovenia, someone checked if the 2/3 majority requirement was followed, apparently not http://techrights.org/2022/06/12/another-reason-unified-patent-court-upc-is-a-hostile-coup-that-will-fail/"|nitter.it [17:38] *psydroid2 has quit (connection closed) [17:43] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jun 13 [18:27] schestowitz-TR I am adding some changed that I've just tested successfull (first go) [18:27] schestowitz-TR successfully with a small caveat [18:27] schestowitz-TR that affects pages where you can have up to 365 days listed [18:27] schestowitz-TR and groups them into months [18:27] schestowitz-TR ok, pushed [18:27] schestowitz-TR the changes are simple enough to be self-explanatory [18:27] schestowitz-TR https://nitter.it/zoobab/status/1536253258821509120#m [18:27] schestowitz-TR https://nitter.it/stautistic/status/1536377800835289088#m [18:29] Techrights-sec2 ack [18:29] Techrights-sec2 ok [18:30] schestowitz-TR I can clean my feeds a lot faster now, with gulkag removed [18:30] schestowitz-TR and want to garden things more [18:30] schestowitz-TR the highest priority iis OS migration, but there is a bottleneck who is in canada atm [18:30] Techrights-sec2 ack [18:30] Techrights-sec2 ack [18:42] *Despatche (~desp@u3xy9z2ifjzci.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jun 13 [19:16] schestowitz-TR LOL [19:16] schestowitz-TR Mozilla does it again [19:16] schestowitz-TR go to the Mozilla blog [19:16] schestowitz-TR Maybe Moz thinks that Firefox users in subsaharan africa are a copy of SF/Bay Area [19:16] Techrights-sec2 checking [19:16] Techrights-sec2 link? [19:16] Techrights-sec2 oh, I see. The themes of the interviews. Nothing about tech, it seems. [19:19] schestowitz-TR wait, this sucks [19:19] schestowitz-TR the eitorial presentation in the site and rss feed is not the same [19:19] schestowitz-TR I need anothher 'angle' on this [19:19] schestowitz-TR also see what I published re phoronix moments ago [19:19] schestowitz-TR wow, mozilla does not advertise rss feedsat lacllk [19:19] schestowitz-TR but plenty of buttons for facebook, twitter, gulag [19:19] schestowitz-TR they don't give a shit about the web [19:30] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@qe2cankywbjga.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [19:32] Techrights-sec2 no rss feed, looked at https://blog.mozilla.org/en/latest/ instead [19:32] Techrights-sec2 Mozilla is to the web what LF is now to Linux [19:32] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-blog.mozilla.org | Latest - The Mozilla Blog [19:32] schestowitz-TR exactly! see my draft [19:32] schestowitz-TR we thought the same [19:32] Techrights-sec2 checking [19:32] Techrights-sec2 probably ought to mention specifically what made Mozilla popular in the "old" [19:32] Techrights-sec2 days [19:32] Techrights-sec2 -- standards and a lean, modular, FOSS browser [19:44] schestowitz-TR rephrased [19:44] schestowitz-TR in draft [19:50] schestowitz-TR Coronavirus Celebrated Jubilee https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/06/13/covid19-celebrated-jubilee/ [19:50] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive Coronavirus Celebrated Jubilee [19:53] Techrights-sec2 ack [19:55] schestowitz-TR go celebrate with grandma liz (well, you paid for the party anyway... already.. through tax) [19:55] schestowitz-TR don't worry if your own grandma died later because you gave her something [19:56] Techrights-sec2 ack [19:58] schestowitz-TR across the road from us there is a stadium with ~50k seating capacity [19:58] schestowitz-TR not counting the pitch [19:58] schestowitz-TR they had 5 or 6 concerns here this month [19:58] schestowitz-TR eo you can estimate how many "kids" passed near us [19:58] schestowitz-TR rianne did a lot of the trips to town for food [19:58] schestowitz-TR and she complained about how reckles these people are [19:58] schestowitz-TR you would not know we're worse off than summer 2020 and 2021 [19:58] schestowitz-TR I showed it in my blog [19:58] Techrights-sec2 ack [19:58] Techrights-sec2 :( [19:58] Techrights-sec2 they are shortsighted and careless [19:59] schestowitz-TR it might not kill them [19:59] schestowitz-TR 'only' loved ones ● Jun 13 [20:01] schestowitz-TR to covid-19 they are not just superspreaders [20:01] schestowitz-TR but "SUPERNODES" [20:01] schestowitz-TR they are conduits through which to reach more vulnerable human tissues [20:01] schestowitz-TR but the media is "tried" of THAT crisis [20:01] schestowitz-TR *tired [20:08] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [20:15] *Noisytoot has quit (Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in) [20:20] *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@y56qsb6r6yg94.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [20:22] schestowitz-TR )just did some housekeeping in TM: test local backup, messages (syslog), mysql.log; all OK. 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