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schestowitz__https://twitter.com/Flavia0847/status/1304865999523647492Sep 13 01:05
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Flavia0847: NATO is busily 'frying fish' in the Horn of Africa, south Asia, Libya, Syria, the Sahel and now South America. An… https://t.co/zVs9EBqm9ySep 13 01:05
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Flavia0847: NATO is busily 'frying fish' in the Horn of Africa, south Asia, Libya, Syria, the Sahel and now South America. An… https://t.co/zVs9EBqm9ySep 13 01:05
schestowitz__"NATO is busily 'frying fish' in the Horn of Africa, south Asia, Libya, Syria,  the Sahel and now South America.  Anything short of a mushroom cloud in the  Eastern Mediterranean is nothing to worry about.  Did I mention the Russian flotilla?"Sep 13 01:05
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/Gonzalo_VC23/status/1304850053861957638Sep 13 01:05
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Gonzalo_VC23: @schestowitz It is a complicated country. Only 2 big parties, both "a soup" of different people, ideologies, philos… https://t.co/PqW9Ha9yIuSep 13 01:05
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Gonzalo_VC23: @schestowitz It is a complicated country. Only 2 big parties, both "a soup" of different people, ideologies, philos… https://t.co/PqW9Ha9yIuSep 13 01:05
schestowitz__"It is a complicated country. Only 2 big parties, both "a soup" of different people, ideologies, philosophies... no one can throw the first stone."Sep 13 01:05
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/sickcodes/status/1304787274836500480Sep 13 01:06
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@sickcodes: @schestowitz @LlnuxBot RIP 11 years is an extremely long time. Would be good to know how long Steve's PGP expiratio… https://t.co/UUlprovuXnSep 13 01:06
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@sickcodes: @schestowitz @LlnuxBot RIP 11 years is an extremely long time. Would be good to know how long Steve's PGP expiratio… https://t.co/UUlprovuXnSep 13 01:06
schestowitz__"Sep 13 01:06
schestowitz__RIPSep 13 01:06
schestowitz__11 years is an extremely long time. Would be good to know how long Steve's PGP expiration date was, and if already expired, why they don't remove expired keys.Sep 13 01:06
schestowitz__"Sep 13 01:06
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/laurelrusswurm/status/1304771378088947712Sep 13 01:07
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@laurelrusswurm: "The question should be whether what WikiLeaks did in publishing those cables was illegal, and it was not." Furthe… https://t.co/QD3olrQMWpSep 13 01:07
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@laurelrusswurm: "The question should be whether what WikiLeaks did in publishing those cables was illegal, and it was not." Furthe… https://t.co/QD3olrQMWpSep 13 01:07
schestowitz__"Sep 13 01:07
schestowitz__"The question should be whether what WikiLeaks did in publishing those cables was illegal, and it was not."Sep 13 01:07
schestowitz__Furthermore, Timm called the prosecutor’s attention to the fact that former media partners, which were upset with WikiLeaks, are opposed to the prosecution of Assange.Sep 13 01:07
schestowitz__"Sep 13 01:07
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/SagebrushTimes/status/1304770044455391238Sep 13 01:07
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@SagebrushTimes: @schestowitz Kalifornia Uber AllesSep 13 01:07
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/SagebrushTimes/status/1304762317746266117Sep 13 01:07
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@SagebrushTimes: @schestowitz Dump Google Play Store.Sep 13 01:07
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schestowitz__> All set.  It'll need a new name but it's there under video6.webm.  BeSep 13 04:50
schestowitz__> sure to include the provenance somewhere in the annotations.Sep 13 04:50
schestowitz__OpenBSDSep 13 04:50
schestowitz__>> I'm told Alpine does have a desktop if you want itSep 13 04:50
schestowitz__> Sep 13 04:50
schestowitz__> fair enough.Sep 13 04:50
schestowitz__> Sep 13 04:51
schestowitz__>> You can also do openbsd with startxSep 13 04:51
schestowitz__> but you shouldnt, because that runs x as root. instead you use a display manager like you do with gnu/linux, theres one that comes with xenocaraSep 13 04:51
schestowitz__>     I didn't claim what you said I had claimed. I know Linux has a bunchSep 13 04:53
schestowitz__>     of issues if not trouble.Sep 13 04:53
schestowitz__> Sep 13 04:53
schestowitz__> Sep 13 04:53
schestowitz__> im not trying to say that you arent aware of or dont acknowledge thoseSep 13 04:53
schestowitz__> issues. only that they seem absent in any comparison. i even came upSep 13 04:53
schestowitz__> with a perfectly good excuse for you doing that if indeed you are (aSep 13 04:53
schestowitz__> GOOD excuse, not one that satisfies me completely)Sep 13 04:54
schestowitz__> Sep 13 04:54
schestowitz__> i dont need/want you to cede your argument, i want (ideally) for you toSep 13 04:54
schestowitz__> make it more thoroughly-- from our exchanges, your comparison seemsSep 13 04:54
schestowitz__> glib. i think its time to make a better comparison, comparing how thingsSep 13 04:54
schestowitz__> really look for the linux kernel and how things really look for gnu/bsd.Sep 13 04:54
schestowitz__> Sep 13 04:54
schestowitz__>     Correct me if I am wrong, but bsd-licensed components let a firmSep 13 04:54
schestowitz__>     like Apple (or Microsoft) make a "better" thing than ours withoutSep 13 04:54
schestowitz__>     giving back their improvements, which I think weakens non-monopolies.Sep 13 04:54
schestowitz__> Sep 13 04:54
schestowitz__> Sep 13 04:54
schestowitz__> yes, we are both aware of this. linux is not gpl3, bsd is not gpl atSep 13 04:54
schestowitz__> all. so both have vulnerabilities in the copyleft sense-- for linux itSep 13 04:54
schestowitz__> is partial and for bsd it is complete.Sep 13 04:54
schestowitz__> Sep 13 04:54
schestowitz__> also bsd can be forked to gpl3, while linux cannot. im not selling thisSep 13 04:54
schestowitz__> as a perk, just a mitigating factor for its inherent copyleft weakness.Sep 13 04:54
schestowitz__> Sep 13 04:54
schestowitz__>     The licence does matter to me; it mattered to Groklaw/PJ for similarSep 13 04:54
schestowitz__>     reasons (I think she used some "mac" crap).Sep 13 04:54
schestowitz__> Sep 13 04:54
schestowitz__> Sep 13 04:54
schestowitz__> yeah, but gpl2 is mediocre and not likely to improve. so you have aSep 13 04:54
schestowitz__> kernel increasingly controlled by microsoft, gaining features that theSep 13 04:54
schestowitz__> industry loves that free software people cant abide-- youve gotSep 13 04:54
schestowitz__> microsoft having successfully prevented the kernel upgrade to gpl3, andSep 13 04:54
schestowitz__> youve got them setting up chess pieces to nullify the effect of the gpl2Sep 13 04:54
schestowitz__> anyway.Sep 13 04:54
schestowitz__> Sep 13 04:54
schestowitz__> but although we got there the long way, this comes back to a freedomSep 13 04:54
schestowitz__> argument that is only about the license. of course the license isSep 13 04:54
schestowitz__> crucial, we agree on that, but a kernel that will only get worse andSep 13 04:54
schestowitz__> never get forked isnt an option compared to a kernel that can / does getSep 13 04:54
schestowitz__> forked and can actually improve. i mean improve as a free softwareSep 13 04:54
schestowitz__> solution. theoretically, even possibly a gpl3 one.Sep 13 04:54
schestowitz__> Sep 13 04:54
schestowitz__> my absolutely serious opinion is that if you have two free softwareSep 13 04:54
schestowitz__> projects that do similar things, and one can only get worse (and theSep 13 04:54
schestowitz__> license wont prevent that) and the other keeps getting better (and itSep 13 04:54
schestowitz__> can be relicensed under something better than the other one can) thenSep 13 04:55
schestowitz__> youre not weighing the two objectively-- youre putting your thumb on theSep 13 04:55
schestowitz__> scale for promises made and unkept.Sep 13 04:55
schestowitz__> Sep 13 04:55
schestowitz__> the gpl for linux wont keep its promises-- thats microsofts fault.Sep 13 04:55
schestowitz__> Sep 13 04:55
schestowitz__> the bsd license doesnt make any promises-- but unlike linux, the openbsdSep 13 04:55
schestowitz__> kernel is fixable in practically every way, while the linux kernelSep 13 04:55
schestowitz__> proves unfixable.Sep 13 04:55
schestowitz__> Sep 13 04:55
schestowitz__> this will go in circles until we get bored or something changes. iSep 13 04:55
schestowitz__> already agree that the gpl is a better license for the kernel-- and theSep 13 04:55
schestowitz__> gpl3 is better than gpl2. so we cant (dont want to) change thatSep 13 04:55
schestowitz__> position. im sure we will get bored and find something else to talkSep 13 04:55
schestowitz__> about-- but the future of free software depends on making wise decisionsSep 13 04:55
schestowitz__> whether we talk about them or not.Sep 13 04:55
schestowitz__> Sep 13 04:55
schestowitz__> i think theres too much holding out, as if something is magically goingSep 13 04:55
schestowitz__> to change itself for the better. how many years should we go with thatSep 13 04:55
schestowitz__> option? i think -n. weve waited too long, and gained sweet f-a for theSep 13 04:55
schestowitz__> trouble. this is a holding pattern, not progress. all free software isSep 13 04:55
schestowitz__> doing right now is spending fuel and flying in a circle. *anSep 13 04:55
schestowitz__> unsustainable model with a good license is still unsustainable.*Sep 13 04:55
schestowitz__> *hello, miss?**Sep 13 04:55
schestowitz__> *Sep 13 04:55
schestowitz__> Sep 13 04:55
schestowitz__> easy gov, thats a coc violation...Sep 13 04:55
schestowitz__> Sep 13 04:55
schestowitz__> *im sorry, i have a cold.*Sep 13 04:55
schestowitz__> Sep 13 04:55
schestowitz__> i wont report it if you dont.Sep 13 04:55
schestowitz__> Sep 13 04:55
schestowitz__> *anyway i wish to make a complaint, about this kernel i downloaded notSep 13 04:55
schestowitz__> three decades ago from this very boutique.*Sep 13 04:55
schestowitz__> Sep 13 04:55
schestowitz__> oh, the tux kernel! lovely innit? beautiful license!Sep 13 04:55
schestowitz__> Sep 13 04:55
schestowitz__> *the license dont enter into it-- its Stone Dead!*Sep 13 04:55
schestowitz__> Sep 13 04:55
schestowitz__> no! its in ibernation!Sep 13 04:55
schestowitz__> Sep 13 04:56
schestowitz__> *alright, if its in hibernation, lets wake it up!*Sep 13 04:56
schestowitz__> Sep 13 04:56
schestowitz__> *[h][e][l][l][o][o][o][o][o][,][ ][t][u][x][!]*Sep 13 04:56
schestowitz__> Sep 13 04:56
schestowitz__> *[i][v][e][ ][g][o][t][ ][a][ ][n][i][c][e][ ][b][i][t]*Sep 13 04:56
schestowitz__> Sep 13 04:56
schestowitz__> *[o][f][ ][r][a][m][ ][f][o][r][ ][y][o][u][ ][i][f]*Sep 13 04:56
schestowitz__> Sep 13 04:56
schestowitz__> *[y][o][u][ ][w][a][k][e][ ][u][p][ ][t][u][x][ ][p][e][n][g][u][i][n][!]*Sep 13 04:56
schestowitz__> Sep 13 04:56
schestowitz__> there, it booted!Sep 13 04:56
schestowitz__> Sep 13 04:56
schestowitz__> *no, it didnt!*Sep 13 04:56
schestowitz__> Sep 13 04:56
schestowitz__> it did! it booted so fast, it got tired again and went back into ibernation!Sep 13 04:56
schestowitz__> Sep 13 04:56
schestowitz__> *look my lad, ive had just about enough of this-- you told me when iSep 13 04:56
schestowitz__> downloaded it that it was in hibernation because it was shagged outSep 13 04:56
schestowitz__> after compiling all the code on github.*Sep 13 04:56
schestowitz__> Sep 13 04:56
schestowitz__> thats right! the linux kernel is very fast and efficient! its got lotsSep 13 04:56
schestowitz__> of driver support, beautiful license!Sep 13 04:56
schestowitz__> Sep 13 04:56
schestowitz__> **takes the kernel and beats it several times against the desk*--Sep 13 04:56
schestowitz__> [nothing happens*]Sep 13 04:56
schestowitz__> Sep 13 04:56
schestowitz__> *well?*Sep 13 04:56
schestowitz__> Sep 13 04:56
schestowitz__> i ave got a microkernel!Sep 13 04:56
schestowitz__> Sep 13 04:56
schestowitz__> *does it run on bare metal?*Sep 13 04:56
schestowitz__> Sep 13 04:56
schestowitz__> not really.Sep 13 04:56
schestowitz__> Sep 13 04:56
schestowitz__> *then its scarcely a replacement, is it?*Sep 13 04:56
schestowitz__> Sep 13 04:56
schestowitz__> look, ill tell you what ill do-- ive got a cousin in berkeley...Sep 13 04:56
schestowitz__> *NICE* rms article. pity it couldnt have run yesterday, but this is theSep 13 04:57
schestowitz__> next best thing.Sep 13 04:57
schestowitz__> Sep 13 04:57
schestowitz__> maybe the best article in a year, by criteria i would consider relevant.Sep 13 04:57
schestowitz__The RasPi one?Sep 13 04:57
schestowitz__> I'm now reviewing scheme(s) and ocaml for development purposes.  I have just spent some time with Dlang (D) and sadly find it "not ready for prime time".  Also too over-reaching for my taste.Sep 13 04:57
schestowitz__> "Watching" and "thinking' are good, but _contributing_ is much better. As long as hyperbola has the right vision, and sticks to it, I'm willing to overlook less important concerns (such as the original license and direction, and poor SMP implementation). Between the vision and the ground lies the shadow.  ;-)Sep 13 04:58
schestowitz__> OpenBSD is currently resting directly on X11.  That's cool.  ;-)Sep 13 04:58
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schestowitz__> acronym is unintended, but mildly amusing.Sep 13 08:23
schestowitz__Humour helps with a subject is difficult :-)Sep 13 08:23
schestowitz__ /s/with/whenSep 13 08:23
schestowitz__> That was the wrong file. Here is the correct one:Sep 13 08:26
schestowitz__Makes more sense now...Sep 13 08:26
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schestowitz__>> maybe the best article in a year, by criteria i would consider relevant.Sep 13 08:26
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schestowitz__>  The RasPi one?Sep 13 08:26
schestowitz__> Sep 13 08:26
schestowitz__> the same!Sep 13 08:26
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schestowitz__https://thegrayzone.com/2020/09/12/grandson-salvador-allende-venezuela-us-coupSep 13 10:11
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-thegrayzone.com | Grandson of overthrown Chilean President Salvador Allende defends Venezuela against US coup attempt | The GrayzoneSep 13 10:11
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schestowitz__http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2020/08/uk-patent-exams-update-final-version-of.html?showComment=1599738431490#c5987998833074124195Sep 13 13:27
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ipkitten.blogspot.com | UK patent exams update: Final version of FAQs released - The IPKatSep 13 13:27
schestowitz__"Sep 13 13:27
schestowitz__On this, it now seems policy of CIPA to send the renewal reminder to the accounts department directly (i.e. taking the student member out of the equation).Sep 13 13:27
schestowitz__I think this is a wise move by CIPA.Sep 13 13:27
schestowitz__If the renewal reminder had been sent to me, i wouldn't have forwarded and would have let the subscription lapse. I don't think CIPA represent trainees in any way and would prefer not to support them.Sep 13 13:27
schestowitz__"Sep 13 13:27
schestowitz__http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2020/09/uk-patent-exams-fd4p6-survey-and-model.html?showComment=1599738849096#c606285093059148592Sep 13 13:27
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ipkitten.blogspot.com | UK patent exams: FD4/P6 survey and model answers - The IPKatSep 13 13:27
schestowitz__"Sep 13 13:27
schestowitz__Thursday, 10 September 2020 at 12:54:00 BSTSep 13 13:27
schestowitz__Fair play to the person who dedicated their time to making the answers, but you can pretty clearly see it is written knowing the mark scheme, look at the conversion rate, stuff that gets marks is talked about in detail, not many words wasted on low scoring points...Sep 13 13:27
schestowitz__Its fair enough, because i guess the idea is to show what a perfect example of technique is, but i think its unfair to expect people to be able to reproduce that in an exam unless they know the mark scheme. Sep 13 13:27
schestowitz__Also, i think it may be a bit dangerous because in one or two years i bet these example scripts will be held up as an example of how little you need to write to get the perfect answerSep 13 13:27
schestowitz__ReplySep 13 13:27
schestowitz__AnonymousThursday, 10 September 2020 at 13:58:00 BSTSep 13 13:27
schestowitz__It is clear from these sample scripts that there is clearly no "right" or "wrong" answer in P6. Lots of different answers can pass.Trainees just need to remember that the marks available will be allocated based on the perfect answer...Sep 13 13:27
schestowitz__So it doesn't matter if inventive step is not a point of contention in your answer, the fact that it is important in the perfect answer is all that matters. This shouldn't confuse candidates though, all that is required is for you to come up with your answer, and then think, where do i think the examiners, after reading 10 answer scripts (i.e. after the exam), will choose, by committee, to allocate the marks.Sep 13 13:27
schestowitz__Once you know this, you will know where you can pick up the required marks, because your inferior opinion on its own will not score enough marks in the right section.Sep 13 13:27
schestowitz__ReplySep 13 13:27
schestowitz__RepliesSep 13 13:27
schestowitz__AnonymousThursday, 10 September 2020 at 14:55:00 BSTSep 13 13:27
schestowitz__Yes, there is no right or wrong answer... you just need to adapt your wrong answer so it discusses all the same issues as the right answer...Sep 13 13:27
schestowitz__ReplySep 13 13:27
schestowitz__"Sep 13 13:27
schestowitz__http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2020/09/uk-patent-exams-fd4p6-survey-and-model.html?showComment=1599739080885#c2255432342060761272Sep 13 13:27
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ipkitten.blogspot.com | UK patent exams: FD4/P6 survey and model answers - The IPKatSep 13 13:27
schestowitz__"Sep 13 13:28
schestowitz__Just to clarify, to write this in 2 hours (which is likely around the typical amount of time people are writing in P6 when you take into account the reading time) you'd need to be writing 55wpm, which is approaching the neuro/biological limit of what would even be theoretically possible (source: quora). Sep 13 13:28
schestowitz__Maybe the unpaid volunteer is an ai or something? PEB: please clarify. Sep 13 13:28
schestowitz__"Sep 13 13:28
schestowitz__"Out of curiosity, did the unpaid volunteer sit the exam to time? If not, I think all those who took those papers should have their marks adjusted accordingly. "Sep 13 13:29
schestowitz__"The model answers are welcomed, although it is unclear why they are being issued so close to the exams - candidates have only 5 weekends left to utilize them and these were originally "hoped" to be issued for candidates for last years exams. The lateness appears to be excused by the use of an "unpaid volunteer"- it is unclear why a professional exam board, charging candidates great sums of money in exam fees, needs to operate in Sep 13 13:29
schestowitz__such a way. "Sep 13 13:29
schestowitz__"Whilst the model answers are appreciated, this is the first time that I've come across an exam where it's explicitly acknowledged that candidates will not be able to achieve 100% in the alloted time!"Sep 13 13:29
schestowitz__http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2020/09/uk-patent-exams-fd4p6-survey-and-model.html?showComment=1599732754852#c2827589454750448604Sep 13 13:30
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ipkitten.blogspot.com | UK patent exams: FD4/P6 survey and model answers - The IPKatSep 13 13:30
schestowitz__"At a quick look, the model answers look logical and sensible. I hope that they are a great help to candidates. Interestingly, the approach is directly contradictory to that taught on some JDD courses (we all know who I am talking about), and every feature is construed carefully. Perhaps this reveals why some good candidates go wrong..."Sep 13 13:30
schestowitz__"Yes, there is no right or wrong answer... you just need to adapt your wrong answer so it discusses all the same issues as the right answer... "Sep 13 13:30
schestowitz__'Sep 13 13:30
schestowitz__It is clear from these sample scripts that there is clearly no "right" or "wrong" answer in P6. Lots of different answers can pass.Trainees just need to remember that the marks available will be allocated based on the perfect answer...Sep 13 13:30
schestowitz__So it doesn't matter if inventive step is not a point of contention in your answer, the fact that it is important in the perfect answer is all that matters. This shouldn't confuse candidates though, all that is required is for you to come up with your answer, and then think, where do i think the examiners, after reading 10 answer scripts (i.e. after the exam), will choose, by committee, to allocate the marks.Sep 13 13:30
schestowitz__Once you know this, you will know where you can pick up the required marks, because your inferior opinion on its own will not score enough marks in the right section. Sep 13 13:30
schestowitz__"Sep 13 13:30
schestowitz__"Seems these days some trainees just want to be given it on a plate. The problem is they're entering it too early. Back in my day we'd be hitting 100+wpm before even considering entering P6. "Sep 13 13:30
schestowitz__"Sep 13 13:30
schestowitz__I am yet to receive confirmation from PEB about whether i can use my ai to generate an answer for FD4. Sep 13 13:30
schestowitz__I think their current position is that, aslong as i pay them more money they don't care. I will have to be supervised by my ai at all times post qualification (how the tables have turned), but CIPA say aslong as they collect their membership fees for the ai as well, they dont care. Sep 13 13:30
schestowitz__On a side note, i've tried training my ai using past papers but unfortunately its having trouble identifying any patterns. I've also tried training it on UKIPO opinions & court judgements but this model doesn't score any points in the markscheme, for some reason it is having trouble giving an opinion and completely reversing it to pick up marks in inventive step, anyone got any ideas?Sep 13 13:30
schestowitz__"Sep 13 13:30
schestowitz__"Sep 13 13:30
schestowitz__The UK profession is highly regarded worldwide for its ability to write a high number of words per minute. This is the major contributor to why UK patent profession receives work. Sep 13 13:30
schestowitz__I see no problem in encouraging this. In fact, we should be aiming for 55+ wpm, so that we can prove how elite the UK profession is. If you are not willing to push your body to the next level in this way, maybe you're just not cut out to be a patent attorney and should quit. Sep 13 13:31
schestowitz__"Sep 13 13:31
schestowitz__http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2020/08/uk-patent-exams-update-final-version-of.html?showComment=1599473052745#c8317732579403841709Sep 13 13:41
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ipkitten.blogspot.com | UK patent exams update: Final version of FAQs released - The IPKatSep 13 13:41
schestowitz__"Sep 13 13:41
schestowitz__In my view, the PEB, CIPA and IPREG need to have a long hard look at the exams, and ensure that they are testing only fitness to practice, to the extent that candidates who are fit to practice will pass, without requiring months of exam technique learning and a pot of luck on the day. Sep 13 13:41
schestowitz__As noted above, the CMA seemed not particularly impressed with legal professional title reservations. Sep 13 13:41
schestowitz__Yet the PEB /CIPA still at very opportunity bang-on like some out-of-touch colonialist about CPA qualification being 'the gold standard' - see eg http://www.cipa.org.uk/EasySiteWeb/GatewayLink.aspx?alId=813 (try and count the number of times you see 'gold standard' mentioned, and e.g. https://issuu.com/cipa-journal/docs/cipa-2020-02-february - item 8 of council minutes "Matt Dixon said that he felt quite strongly that CIPA must Sep 13 13:41
schestowitz__promote chartered patent attorney status as the gold standard". Sep 13 13:42
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-issuu.com | CIPA Journal, February 2020 by CIPA Journal - IssuuSep 13 13:42
schestowitz__Good for Matt Dixon - but if, as seems likely, the PEB/CIPA are basing the exams on allowing only 'gold standard' candidates to pass, I can't imagine that the CMA will be impressed. It is very obvious that sort of practice will restrict the supply of patent attorneys, and inevitably hike prices for users, in my view unduly. Imagine if the same limitation were applied to car sales, such that only 'gold standard' Rolls Royces were Sep 13 13:42
schestowitz__allowed to be sold. There would be a large unmet need for people who just want a fit for purpose, reliable, and appropriately performing car without marketing guff, and one supplier making unduly high profits though lack of proper competition.Sep 13 13:42
schestowitz__CIPA/PEB need a good shake-up, to lose the old school 'gold-standard' bunch, most of which probably sat (far fewer) exams decades ago, and in many cases are themselves far from 'gold-standard', and should realise that the exams should be testing fitness to practice only. Sep 13 13:42
schestowitz__The clear risk is that, if the CMA come a'knocking again, and realise that the UK exams are preventing highly qualified and experienced candidates, often with several years EPA qualification, from passing based e.g. on ridiculously arbitrary ideas of how patent claim features should be construed, the CMA appears liable to remove the reservation on professional titles.Sep 13 13:42
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schestowitz__http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2020/08/uk-patent-exams-update-final-version-of.html?showComment=1599574040562#c5672923049667726284Sep 13 14:10
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ipkitten.blogspot.com | UK patent exams update: Final version of FAQs released - The IPKatSep 13 14:10
schestowitz__"Sep 13 14:10
schestowitz__I'm concerned that PEB has been refusing to respond to candidates concerns on exam issues which in my view is their right to ask and the duty of the examination board to answer/respond to questions. You cannot decide to ignore questions or queries you don't like. Sep 13 14:10
schestowitz__I would like to remind PEB/CIPA that students pay a CIPA membership fee and pay exam fees. They should treat students much more fairly. They wouldn't ignore feedback given to a senior attorney or a large firm so please don't ignore the students with legitimate concerns about exams especially during these times. Sep 13 14:10
schestowitz__"Sep 13 14:10
schestowitz__http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2020/08/uk-patent-exams-update-final-version-of.html?showComment=1599573759466#c5149771907381322418Sep 13 14:10
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ipkitten.blogspot.com | UK patent exams update: Final version of FAQs released - The IPKatSep 13 14:10
schestowitz__"I have always found that there is a detachment between PEB exams and real-life work. The PEB exams really have nothing to do with how competent you are at your job and other important soft skills are often ignored, leading to multiple problems for colleagues and firms. "Sep 13 14:10
schestowitz__http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2020/09/the-mirage-of-ai-invention-nothing-more.html?showComment=1599561017912#c7733190079876409277Sep 13 14:10
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ipkitten.blogspot.com | The mirage of AI invention - nothing more than advanced trial and error? - The IPKatSep 13 14:10
schestowitz__"Sep 13 14:10
schestowitz__As has been nicely said, the AlphaGo can only play go. Would you want it to play chess, it would be a disaster. There is nothing intelligent, in the common sense, in AI. AI is no more than a hype, which will most probably end up like a deflated balloon, cf. Big Data at the turn on the Millennium. There is money to grab as politicians have been lured in. Sep 13 14:10
schestowitz__I would not deny that it can be useful in repetitive tasks like image detection, and will certainly find uses in many different domains, but when it comes to inventing, please, let’s remain serious. It is a wonderful playground for legal academics to discuss whether a machine can invent, but when you look at the basics behind it, a machine cannot invent. Sep 13 14:10
schestowitz__Two cases are under discussion, EP3564144 relates to a food can as well as EP3563896 relating to devices and methods for attracting enhanced attention, or simpler a light beacon. Sep 13 14:11
schestowitz__In the case of the can, the mere connection of cans through their external profile is known. The only difference is that in the case of the application, the surface is a fractal surface. Whether this is inventive remains to be seen. In any case, that with two cans the fractal profiles can match is anything but certain. Sep 13 14:11
schestowitz__As far as the light beacon is concerned, the whole invention seems entirely based on studies of the applicant himself. I would say if only the theory on which the applicant bases its application is proven that one could start believing what is going on. It would interesting if the applicant provides more than a “paper” invention and would show a real device working according to the claimed invention. To me this invention is Sep 13 14:11
schestowitz__nearing a substantial lack of sufficiency. Sep 13 14:11
schestowitz__What is striking in both cases, is that the notion of fractals come up and play a predominant role. I do not think this is innocent.Sep 13 14:11
schestowitz__When reading the explanations given about the way the invention was allegedly created, it is difficult to follow that “the machine was not trained on any special data relevant to present invention”, but a few lines higher it is said that the machine was trained. Either one or the other, but not both at the same time. Sep 13 14:11
schestowitz__A quick look at the references allegedly explaining the working of DABUS, the following conclusions can be drawn: at least US 5659666 has never crossed the Atlantic.Sep 13 14:11
schestowitz__In US 7454388 = EP1894150 all requests have been refused under Art 123(2) and the appeal procedure closed due to non-payment of a renewal fee. Sep 13 14:11
schestowitz__In US 7454388 = EP2360629 the requests have as well been refused under Art 12382) and no appeal was filed, so that this case is also closed. Sep 13 14:11
schestowitz__For US 2015/0379394 = EP3092590 summons to OP have been issued for 08.10.2020 to be held in Rijswijk. No date for OP in form of videoconference has been set up to now. In the annex to the summons Art 84 seems to be a major problem, but I would at a glance think more of Art 83, are some features lack any explanation. In spite of this lack of clarity claim 1 is also not deemed to involve IS, which is somehow surprising. Sep 13 14:11
schestowitz__An interesting question could be: how can a machine, apparently not being inventive in itself make an invention which shows the requested level of inventive step. Sep 13 14:11
schestowitz__"Sep 13 14:11
schestowitz__http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2020/08/uk-patent-exams-update-final-version-of.html?showComment=1599589185364#c2803503407058138730Sep 13 14:11
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ipkitten.blogspot.com | UK patent exams update: Final version of FAQs released - The IPKatSep 13 14:11
schestowitz__"I find it quite interesting the other week when P2/FD1 webinar was held and it was suggested that those with in-house experience are more likely to pass because the questions were more favourable to those in-house. A significant portion of the profession works in private practice so questions need to be fair for both sets of private practice trainees as well as in-house trainees. It should not be biased or tailored towards one Sep 13 14:11
schestowitz__set of trainees who trained in a particular setting."Sep 13 14:11
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