●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Tuesday, September 13, 2022 ●● ● Sep 13 [00:04] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [00:23] *Mio14 has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [00:25] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [00:25] *DaemonFC (~chatzilla@d47czkfzvu4iu.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [00:26] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.13 [SeaMonkey 2.53.13/20220708150114]) [00:26] *DaemonFC (~chatzilla@d47czkfzvu4iu.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [00:50] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.13 [SeaMonkey 2.53.13/20220708150114]) ● Sep 13 [01:08] *Despatche (~desp@u3xy9z2ifjzci.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [01:59] *DaemonFC (~chatzilla@fc65skp26a66s.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Sep 13 [03:04] *DaemonFC has quit (connection closed) [03:04] *DaemonFC (~chatzilla@fc65skp26a66s.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [03:12] *DaemonFC_ (~chatzilla@ip9fquyuk9iys.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [03:13] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [03:16] *DaemonFC_ is now known as DaemonFC ● Sep 13 [05:00] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [05:15] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [05:15] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [05:18] *DaemonFC (~chatzilla@rpu9mz6yipehc.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Sep 13 [08:30] Techrights-sec gm [08:30] Techrights-sec Two scripts and the database structure are now set up to begin to retain [08:30] Techrights-sec plain text without the markup. That is necessary preparation for full text [08:30] Techrights-sec searching. It's been tested locally but not in-place. Please double check [08:30] Techrights-sec the addition and updating of records. [08:31] schestowitz-TR2 you want me to double check that when posting and updating things seem sane, right? [08:31] Techrights-sec Yes, thanks [08:31] Techrights-sec It /should/ be ok, but a second set of eyes is essential. [08:32] schestowitz-TR2 I wanted to ask, [08:32] schestowitz-TR2 [08:29] Notice how SJVN and OIN refuse or fail to speak about software patents as the issue, they blame "trolls". IBM, Microsoft, LF etc. are not against software patents; watch who they collect bribes from! [08:33] schestowitz-TR2 is this something to cover in article/video? [08:33] schestowitz-TR2 SJVN is swpats shill [08:33] schestowitz-TR2 I thought I'd just ignore him [08:33] schestowitz-TR2 he and zdnet pushing the oin line [08:33] schestowitz-TR2 they are in another universe [08:33] Techrights-sec I think so, since they are consciously choosing to promote software patents [08:33] Techrights-sec through selective omission. That implies misdirection if not downright [08:33] Techrights-sec dishonesty. [08:34] schestowitz-TR2 let's wait a day and see if there are follow-ups [08:34] schestowitz-TR2 or a better angle from which to tackle this [08:34] schestowitz-TR2 they cancel people who actually talk about the real issue [08:34] schestowitz-TR2 and real solutions to the issues [08:34] schestowitz-TR2 they want to pretend ICBM will be our ally [08:34] schestowitz-TR2 because... money [08:35] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.13 [SeaMonkey 2.53.13/20220708150114]) [08:35] Techrights-sec Yes, which further emphasizes their active, conscious participation in [08:35] Techrights-sec the promotion of software patents against the general backdrop of software [08:35] Techrights-sec freedom. (It goes without saying that software patents are not a matter [08:35] Techrights-sec for software developers or programmers, but an active harm against actual [08:35] Techrights-sec end-users.) [08:41] schestowitz-TR2 draft [08:44] Techrights-sec ack [08:44] Techrights-sec More details on what is wrong with the handling of the certificates is needed. [08:44] Techrights-sec The one link with the transcript provides that information but a few words or a [08:44] Techrights-sec couple of lines of summary would help greatly. [08:44] Techrights-sec Hint: CAs [08:49] schestowitz-TR2 sometimes I make errors [08:49] schestowitz-TR2 if judged not to be too huge, I don't try to undo [08:49] schestowitz-TR2 because last time I tried it caused chaos on my home network [08:49] schestowitz-TR2 due to the log giles being gigabyes in size [08:49] schestowitz-TR2 *files [08:49] schestowitz-TR2 dasya ago, to sanitise away binary crap from the unplanned shutdown, I had to stop several services first [08:54] Techrights-sec ack ● Sep 13 [09:01] schestowitz-TR2 btw, I spent a lot of time recipe hunting [09:01] schestowitz-TR2 I realise I really suck at cooking [09:01] schestowitz-TR2 but then again we live in a generation like that [09:01] schestowitz-TR2 imagine getting "that was tasty" instead of "you got a like" [09:01] schestowitz-TR2 I remember when mothers cooked [09:01] schestowitz-TR2 now the mothers are like kids [09:01] schestowitz-TR2 with their "smart" phones and selfies [09:01] schestowitz-TR2 I found no obvious errors in the capsule [09:03] schestowitz-TR2 --- [09:03] schestowitz-TR2 I think the media now teaches both men and womewn that cooking is a sign of weakeness [09:03] schestowitz-TR2 and they should instead be consumeers of processed foods with preservatives [09:03] schestowitz-TR2 somer of which can contribute to trumour cell [09:03] schestowitz-TR2 *tumour [09:03] schestowitz-TR2 we spoke about it yesterday in relation to an aunt [09:08] schestowitz-TR2 -- [09:08] schestowitz-TR2 I've just made copy of the irc lines re sjvn [09:08] schestowitz-TR2 sometimes instead of scripting I just think about the issues for a while [09:08] schestowitz-TR2 like in the kitchen [09:08] schestowitz-TR2 and then the arguments come out a little better [09:08] schestowitz-TR2 after thinking them over [09:08] schestowitz-TR2 maybe more links will become available [09:08] schestowitz-TR2 I have not kept track of patent news in a while and not much is missed [09:08] schestowitz-TR2 as journalism there too is stagnant or non-existent [09:09] Techrights-sec Checking links [09:13] schestowitz-TR2 road-ahead sign: irc a bit noisy this week, I've decided to look away a little more [09:13] schestowitz-TR2 until it resettles [09:13] schestowitz-TR2 it's often like this when matey becomes active and people respond [09:13] schestowitz-TR2 I am improving the layout here and writing some tiny tools [09:13] schestowitz-TR2 when the new setup is in place we can produce more suitably for the 2023 era [09:13] schestowitz-TR2 regarding trend ocean, I 'll monitor his "content" for a week maybe [09:13] schestowitz-TR2 perhaps we can then decide what to do [09:13] Techrights-sec Notice the tabloids ridicule Andrew but avoid mentioning why [09:13] Techrights-sec ack [09:16] schestowitz-TR2 tabloids are always full of it [09:16] schestowitz-TR2 I just ignore them [09:16] schestowitz-TR2 sometimes I look at the covers for a laugh when rianne pays for food and I wait around [09:16] schestowitz-TR2 all in all, the culture here is still good; the target audience of tabloids is typically [09:16] schestowitz-TR2 the 'lower' class, to put it politely [09:22] schestowitz-TR2 being in the underclass somewhere like iceland might be no better than being among the elites in macao or lagos or some other "rich island" [09:22] schestowitz-TR2 the uk caused suffering inwards and outwards and used booze inwards (opium outwards) to soften ... looking for another words here ... the masses [09:22] schestowitz-TR2 class here is still a thing, but only if you actively socialise. [09:22] schestowitz-TR2 lull, captivate, hyponotiuse, paralyse... still forgot the word I had in mind... [09:23] schestowitz-TR2 going for coffee, the word might come back if i don't stare at a monitor [09:30] Techrights-sec pacify? [09:30] Techrights-sec The global smartphone market looks like the new Opium Wars [09:35] schestowitz-TR2 yes! [09:35] schestowitz-TR2 or neutralise, hypnotise, zombify [09:35] schestowitz-TR2 the last is apt a term for "smart" phone [09:35] schestowitz-TR2 I didn't know about opium wars until 10 years ago [09:35] schestowitz-TR2 many orgs that used to fight for civil rights become corporate pacifiers [09:35] schestowitz-TR2 like oin [09:35] schestowitz-TR2 worse, [09:35] schestowitz-TR2 a) opium did not report back on the subject [09:35] schestowitz-TR2 b) opium needs cultivating, farming, transporting [09:35] schestowitz-TR2 c) the age for opium is typically higher [09:35] schestowitz-TR2 ... [09:35] schestowitz-TR2 people no longer garden for food nor can they cook anything [09:35] schestowitz-TR2 making them a lot more dependent on the "supply chain" [09:35] schestowitz-TR2 as noteed earlier [09:36] Techrights-sec opiumwars++ [09:36] Techrights-sec It does share the characteristics of pacification and neutralization, however. [09:36] Techrights-sec Yes, it hits them before their teens. See some of the health articles about [09:36] Techrights-sec the severe, permanent damage that does, not to mention what it does to the [09:36] Techrights-sec removing the ability to eventually be ready for participation in society. [09:36] Techrights-sec In some areas, I have heard, that the new houses and apartments, and renovated [09:36] Techrights-sec ones, are basically made without kitchens. [09:38] *starstreak has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [09:38] schestowitz-TR2 yes, people now pay rent the same as before but for low-quality aparthotel or small hotel room [09:38] schestowitz-TR2 not studio per se [09:38] schestowitz-TR2 but just a fridge [09:38] schestowitz-TR2 no kitchen [09:38] schestowitz-TR2 it has a "dining area" (read: table) [09:43] Techrights-sec The weird ones are the sites where the kitchens and kitchenettes are removed [09:43] Techrights-sec during "renovation" [09:46] schestowitz-TR2 I'm sure they make up for it with referctories;-) [09:46] schestowitz-TR2 cooking takes a loit of time [09:46] schestowitz-TR2 but it's the different between dying young or old [09:46] schestowitz-TR2 and spending 200-300 ppm or just 50-50 [09:46] schestowitz-TR2 *150 [09:46] schestowitz-TR2 working harder kills, too [09:46] schestowitz-TR2 more financial demands => shorter life [09:46] schestowitz-TR2 "PLEASE INSERT COINS" [09:54] schestowitz-TR2 regarding the link you sent about self-hosting email [09:54] schestowitz-TR2 there is a middle ground [09:54] schestowitz-TR2 a shared account with webhost outside the home [09:54] schestowitz-TR2 that lets you manage everything from within your domain [09:54] schestowitz-TR2 on a shared IP adress [09:54] schestowitz-TR2 they handle the address reputation [09:54] schestowitz-TR2 and even inform you if there is a scatterback [09:54] schestowitz-TR2 email is not encrypted [09:54] schestowitz-TR2 very few people will be able to send AND receive encrypted mail from you [09:54] schestowitz-TR2 so the argument about privacy hardly holds [09:54] schestowitz-TR2 at work, a colleague bragged email was on encrypted file system [09:54] schestowitz-TR2 I reminded him we outsourced to AWS [09:54] schestowitz-TR2 and never encrypt email even though 12 years ago I did try to suggest it [09:54] schestowitz-TR2 he bought a $1,000 steel door [09:54] schestowitz-TR2 but left the window wide open ● Sep 13 [10:00] schestowitz-TR2 === [10:00] schestowitz-TR2 there is a solution to all this: avoid email, whenever possible. or be passive about them. I think I now average 2 outgoing emails per day [10:00] schestowitz-TR2 the temptation is further reduce (or the incentive) when you only open it twice a day and only go through unknown sources or origins once a week or less [10:00] schestowitz-TR2 voice chat is a tricky one but avoiding personal topics makes sense, as not everything said out aloud is recorded (knowingly or unknowingly) or typed down [10:00] schestowitz-TR2 the coundaries are blurred by those listening devices, which are now advertsed using gimmicks like "can recognise voice/accent/language" [10:00] schestowitz-TR2 which means scanning of the audio content, turning it into text, as a 'feature'... ti "improve your experience" [10:12] schestowitz-TR2 to the media this should all be "common ssnse", but it seldom warns people. regarding phonecalls, one should assume that what's feasible is done at all [10:13] schestowitz-TR2 times, but then talks over the phone would get dry and platonic, even business calls. they want people to become "open books" [10:16] Techrights-sec Amazon, Google, and Apple have a multitude of "smart", always-on microphones [10:16] Techrights-sec reporting back to HQ 24/7 from many people's homes and most people's pockets. [10:17] schestowitz-TR2 don't forget "meta" ;-) [10:17] schestowitz-TR2 microsoft tried also, but it's a distant 6th or 10th... [10:18] schestowitz-TR2 linkedin is failing (more layoffs) [10:18] schestowitz-TR2 what were they thinking? [10:18] schestowitz-TR2 I wanted to say something else about eavesdropping but forgot. it was not so important anyway. [10:18] schestowitz-TR2 the "smart" car hype rapidly gets descriobed as a fad in the media [10:18] schestowitz-TR2 inc. EVs [10:18] schestowitz-TR2 esp. now with energy shortages [10:20] schestowitz-TR2 if you can teach even a dozen people something related to tech [10:20] schestowitz-TR2 and those (each) teach another dozen the same, then the impact is there [10:20] schestowitz-TR2 I wish FSF wrote more articles [10:20] schestowitz-TR2 their advocacy has been muted and "meetings" in IRC have very limited reach [10:20] schestowitz-TR2 they also lost a lot of audience, which did not migrate frdom ffeenode to cancelnode [10:31] Techrights-sec Their move to "cancel node" was unwise, especially since there was a prime [10:31] Techrights-sec opportunity to showcase the benefits of self-hosting. [10:35] schestowitz-TR2 not to sound pushy or anything, [10:35] schestowitz-TR2 is the image uploader considered ready for production given its successful use for a whole, sans animated gifs? [10:35] schestowitz-TR2 in zfs quotes are needed or removal or trailing "?crap" [10:35] schestowitz-TR2 and then again, we thought about integrating it into add [10:35] schestowitz-TR2 and having just changed that process for search, maybe better to first let that new change settle for a few days before introducing another change [10:35] schestowitz-TR2 rianne is posting pages atm [10:40] Techrights-sec It is just about ready, as long as animated GIFs are avoided. [10:41] schestowitz-TR2 I will add an aliad for rianne and marius later [10:41] schestowitz-TR2 marius later, rianne now [10:41] schestowitz-TR2 to see if she copes ok [10:41] schestowitz-TR2 I call it 'upload' [10:41] schestowitz-TR2 *alias [10:55] *Mio14 (~quassel@freenode-oc7.77s.l454lg.IP) has joined #boycottnovell ● Sep 13 [11:07] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@rpu9mz6yipehc.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [11:50] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [11:52] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [11:55] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [11:55] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Sep 13 [12:07] schestowitz-TR2 see latest post [12:07] schestowitz-TR2 maybe guardian and billPR belong in the same plonkbin [12:10] Techrights-sec ok [12:10] Techrights-sec education or training :( [12:10] schestowitz-TR2 all I can say is, [12:11] schestowitz-TR2 like most kids I accidentally found pr0n [12:11] schestowitz-TR2 several times [12:11] schestowitz-TR2 and it was always a negative experience [12:11] schestowitz-TR2 I don't think NPR should find a way to weasel its way out of it [12:11] schestowitz-TR2 they just don't give a shit about kids [12:11] schestowitz-TR2 [11:58] Normal people: folks who say toddlers should be told about sex are sick perverts. NPR: Bill Gates pays us. We should give a platform to those "sick perverts". [12:12] schestowitz-TR2 Microsoft Peters saaid to parents he would "teach" their kids [12:12] schestowitz-TR2 aged about 9 [12:12] schestowitz-TR2 and he did [12:34] Techrights-sec :( :( [12:34] Techrights-sec no wonder the Gates are involved [12:35] schestowitz-TR2 in the court of public opinion they have lost already or are actively losing [12:35] schestowitz-TR2 testing the water to see if a comeback does more harm than "good" [12:35] schestowitz-TR2 I think he's done for [12:35] schestowitz-TR2 (tbh) [12:37] schestowitz-TR2 "The United States is already a global leader in traffic-related fatalities" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/09/12/the-extreme-weight-of-large-electric-vehicles-is-going-to-be-a-very-dangerous-problem/ | Source: Techdirt [12:37] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-The Extreme Weight Of Large Electric Vehicles Is Going To Be A Very Dangerous Problem | Techdirt [12:46] Techrights-sec I hope he is done for, but for now he has his flunkies spending more time [12:46] Techrights-sec in DC than in Redmond. They seem to have direct access to most top politicians [12:46] Techrights-sec and as a side effect are collapsing the "cyber" readiness of the nation. [12:46] Techrights-sec That's not good, neither the corruption that both feeds and thrives on nor [12:46] Techrights-sec the collapsing state of digital defense. [12:48] schestowitz-TR2 right, for certain [12:48] schestowitz-TR2 it's all relative [12:48] schestowitz-TR2 you cannot topple people at that level overnight [12:48] schestowitz-TR2 you can try, but being a thorn on the side is already something [12:48] schestowitz-TR2 he wasn't a person who rose to it [12:48] schestowitz-TR2 he was born into it [12:48] schestowitz-TR2 like Liz II [12:50] Techrights-sec The US Gov certainly knows exactly where he is and how to reach him [12:50] Techrights-sec whether with papers or anything else. [12:50] Techrights-sec Yes, he comes from at least several generations of wealth and his mom basically [12:50] Techrights-sec maneuvered the IBM desktop monopoly into his hands. The rest was played from [12:50] Techrights-sec his college majors, Risk(tm) and poker. The former is mostly about conniving and extending monopolies. The latter is about bullshitting and posturing. [12:51] schestowitz-TR2 Weapons Industry https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/09/12/weapons-industry-taxpayer-scam | Source: Common Dreams; NOT just "traditional" weapons, also electronic: http://techrights.org/2022/02/04/the-united-states-government-should-quit-bailing-out-microsoft-at-taxpayers-expense/ [12:51] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.commondreams.org | Opinion | The Weapons Industry as a Taxpayer Scam | Julia Gledhill [12:51] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | The United States Government Should Quit Bailing Out Microsoft at Taxpayers Expense | Techrights [12:54] Techrights-sec https://shop.hasbro.com/en-us/product/risk-game:2C7C6F52-5056-9047-F5DD-EB8AC273BA4C [12:54] Techrights-sec Every time the US bails out M$ or does anyting short of prosecution of its [12:54] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-shop.hasbro.com | NO TITLE [12:54] Techrights-sec executives it hurts its readiness, defense, economy, and national productivity. [12:54] Techrights-sec https://www.economicshelp.org/blog/150529/concepts/the-broken-window-fallacy/ [12:54] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.economicshelp.org | The broken window fallacy - Economics Help [12:55] schestowitz-TR2 they keep smashing windows to "protect jobs" [12:55] schestowitz-TR2 they should instead smash the Windows monopoly [12:55] schestowitz-TR2 and get stuff done [12:56] schestowitz-TR2 but dominating other nations' PCs from afar would get harder [12:56] schestowitz-TR2 "it might lead to dancing" [12:56] Techrights-sec or karaoke [12:57] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [12:58] schestowitz https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/sweden-dancing-illegal-spontaneous-law-a7905531.html [12:58] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.independent.co.uk | Spontaneous dancing still illegal in Sweden | The Independent | The Independent ● Sep 13 [13:08] *starstreak (~starstreak@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [13:13] *_Mio14 (~quassel@freenode-8ig.d72.re6q92.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [13:14] *Mio14 has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [13:17] schestowitz-TR2 RMS is non-conformist (never was); that has been weaponised by a whole bunch of losers who try to signal to evil, murderous corporations that they're conformist and willing to cross the "heretic" [13:17] schestowitz-TR2 --> starstreak (~starstreak@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell-social [13:17] schestowitz-TR2 CoCs are pledges of allegiance to the murderous people whose behaviour must never be questioned [13:17] schestowitz-TR2 CoCs create classes of people (the "ENFORCER/S") who are invulnerable to the Rule of Law. They ARE the law. http://techrights.org/2016/04/08/battistelli-epo-scorecard/ [13:17] schestowitz-TR2 -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social- techrights.org | Busted Battistelli: EPO President Violating the EPOs Code of Conduct | Techrights [13:17] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Busted Battistelli: EPO President Violating the EPOs Code of Conduct | Techrights [13:17] schestowitz-TR2 Code of Conduct (CoC) is a very old concept. It's an ENABLER OF CRIMES. http://techrights.org/2017/12/30/genesis-of-battistelli-code-of-conduct/ [13:17] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Raw: How and Why the EPO Code of Conduct (CoC) Came About | Techrights [13:17] schestowitz-TR2 -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social- techrights.org | Raw: How and Why the EPO Code of Conduct (CoC) Came About | Techrights [13:17] schestowitz-TR2 It's not at all a coincidence that CoCs are most vigorously promoted by those who are salaried by the most heinous criminals in the world. They're protecting the criminals from critics. The sad thing is, most of them don't realise the extent to which they're being used. It's NOT about protecting minorities but about protecting the powerful. [13:17] schestowitz-TR2 A society forced to condone the crimes of some -- e.g. "royals" -- is not a society based upon any concept like Rule of the Law, to say the least [13:17] schestowitz-TR2 Code of Conduct (CoC) as proposed by criminals of the highest order in Europe. They even used the term CoC like a decade ago. http://techrights.org/2017/12/30/genesis-of-battistelli-code-of-conduct/ [13:18] Techrights-sec https://www.economicshelp.org/blog/150529/concepts/the-broken-window-fallacy/ [13:18] Techrights-sec https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Broken_window_fallacy [13:18] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-rationalwiki.org | Broken window fallacy - RationalWiki [13:35] Techrights-sec ack [13:35] schestowitz-TR2 rianne now adds images OK [13:35] schestowitz-TR2 that was fast [13:35] Techrights-sec Nice ● Sep 13 [14:25] schestowitz-TR2 "Hany Farid is a computer science professor at Berkeley. Here he is insisting that his students should all delete Facebook and YouTube" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/09/12/fearmongering-cs-professor-insists-that-californias-design-code-is-nothing-to-worry-about-hes-wrong/ | Source: Techdirt [14:25] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Fearmongering CS Professor Insists That Californias Design Code Is Nothing To Worry About. Hes Wrong | Techdirt [14:26] schestowitz-TR2 "To be clear, the shift from traditional cable television to streaming TV has been a very good thing." No, not quite. DRM and "you own nothing" is NOT progress. Cannot even make COPIES (no VCR) https://www.techdirt.com/2022/09/12/youre-living-in-the-true-golden-age-of-television-enjoy-it-because-its-about-to-end/ | Source: Techdirt [14:26] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Youre Living In The True Golden Age Of Television. Enjoy It, Because Its About To End. | Techdirt [14:26] Techrights-sec That's not fearmongering. There are many, many solid reasons for that position. [14:27] schestowitz-TR2 techdirt has been consistently pro-gafam [14:27] schestowitz-TR2 protecting them from critic, private and public [14:27] schestowitz-TR2 that's one thing I don't like tbh [14:28] schestowitz-TR2 Social control media is toxic crap. We should collectively abandon it to solve this issue. https://www.techdirt.com/2022/09/12/eff-asks-ninth-circuit-to-toss-two-stupid-lawsuits-claiming-federal-government-is-moderating-social-media-users/ | Source: Techdirt [14:28] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-EFF Asks Ninth Circuit To Toss Two Stupid Lawsuits Claiming Federal Government Is Moderating Social Media Users | Techdirt [14:30] schestowitz-TR2 techdirt, mind you, is not a person [14:30] schestowitz-TR2 but about half a dozen people [14:30] schestowitz-TR2 one of whom (last I checked not from kate) is glyn moody [14:30] schestowitz-TR2 so the stance of one writer might be reserved to that one person, not a collective [14:36] schestowitz-TR2 UK: from "eat or heat" to "FUNERAL AND CORONATION" [14:41] Techrights-sec ack [14:52] Techrights-sec I would go out of my way to read Glyn's articles, if there were a way to find [14:52] Techrights-sec them. [14:53] schestowitz-TR2 they moved to wordpress.com [14:53] schestowitz-TR2 so you could probably click in his name, then add "/feed/" to the end of teh url e.g. glynmoody/feed/ [14:59] Techrights-sec THe link they had was broken, but I figured out this one manually: [14:59] Techrights-sec https://www.techdirt.com/user/glynmoody/feed/ ● Sep 13 [15:09] schestowitz-TR2 Apple pandering to idiots and EFF pandering to Apple in "Bay Area"; EFF become a hipsters' cargo cult (ALL these devices spy a lot, but that does not bother EFF) https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/09/effs-cover-your-tracks-will-detect-your-use-ios-16s-lockdown-mode | Source: EFF [15:09] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.eff.org | EFFs Cover Your Tracks Will Detect Your Use of iOS 16s Lockdown Mode | Electronic Frontier Foundation [15:10] schestowitz-TR2 PGP evil [15:10] schestowitz-TR2 Apple good [15:10] schestowitz-TR2 Award to Microisoft [15:10] schestowitz-TR2 uses DuckDuckMicrosoft [15:10] schestowitz-TR2 F* EFF [15:10] schestowitz-TR2 not a word on several very important issues [15:10] schestowitz-TR2 of course they never got back to me on EPO [15:11] schestowitz-TR2 Cindy Cohn should use that 50+ million dollars in the bank account to issue refunds to supporters who gave a damn [15:20] schestowitz-TR2 many orgs cash in, pack up, and vanish [15:20] Techrights-sec I wonder what would prompt the EFF to address software patents or, especially, [15:20] Techrights-sec the EPO either publicly or in private. [15:20] Techrights-sec Yes, it looks like they are simply cashing in on the name as a path towards [15:20] Techrights-sec a quiet and meek exit. [15:21] schestowitz-TR2 analogy for LF [15:21] schestowitz-TR2 millions cheer for "Linux" [15:21] schestowitz-TR2 add brand value [15:21] schestowitz-TR2 Zemlin and the frauds cash in [15:21] schestowitz-TR2 EFF: supporters, journalists, staff build a brand [15:21] schestowitz-TR2 worth of work: huge [15:21] schestowitz-TR2 exit free: maybe 1%, still a lof when the impact's worth is measured at billions [15:21] schestowitz-TR2 *exit fee [15:37] Techrights-sec ack [15:49] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [15:49] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [15:55] *XFaCE has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [15:56] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@pmeqtjandsa9n.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [15:56] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [15:56] *XFaCE (~XFaCE@uzfeivw9fp6ba.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Sep 13 [16:38] *Noisytoot has quit (Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in) [16:39] *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@tkbibjhmbkvb8.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [16:41] schestowitz-TR2 ota [16:41] schestowitz-TR2 30 mins [16:41] schestowitz-TR2 zdnet is a sham [16:41] schestowitz-TR2 i hope it dies soon [16:41] schestowitz-TR2 The founders of EFF care about the MISSION of EFF. The people currently in charge, however, seem to care only about money they can raise by milking to brand. Also compare Torvalds to Zemlin. [16:42] Techrights-sec It would be good, though there were some top quality articles from 20 years ago [16:42] Techrights-sec So I hope that the old part of their archives remain. The new stuff would not [16:42] Techrights-sec be a loss though. [16:42] *Mio14 (~quassel@freenode-viq.ft3.k8f57b.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [16:43] schestowitz-TR2 the old stuff is barely possible to find and might in fact be offline already [16:43] schestowitz-TR2 if there is "no bueiness value" in it [16:43] schestowitz-TR2 it's like letting MBAs run a library [16:43] Techrights-sec It's more or less impossible to find, sadly enough. But that seems to be [16:43] Techrights-sec one of their priorities, short of outright deletion. [16:43] *_Mio14 has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [16:44] schestowitz-TR2 former editor (iirc), berlind/ner), started another sie, progrmmableweb [16:45] schestowitz-TR2 but it fell off the radar during pandemic [16:45] schestowitz-TR2 maybve the site is dead already [16:45] schestowitz-TR2 he left an interesting article upon his departure [16:50] Techrights-sec They had a bunch of really good authors for a while, but that was long ago. [16:50] Techrights-sec Someday it'd be useful and, maybe, interesting to find out what M$ did to SJVN [16:52] schestowitz-TR2 he called microsoft "linuc company" earlier this summer [16:52] schestowitz-TR2 he plays the card of [16:52] schestowitz-TR2 "i was against them" [16:52] schestowitz-TR2 "htye have changed" [16:52] schestowitz-TR2 that's a very powerful card for microsoft to hold [16:52] schestowitz-TR2 like odf creator saying ooml is ok [16:52] schestowitz-TR2 they tried to hide mgj too [16:52] schestowitz-TR2 *hire ● Sep 13 [17:03] Techrights-sec Yes, SJVN selling out does a lot of damage in some ways. Probably everyone [17:03] Techrights-sec realizes he has flipped, but for microsofters it is very convenient to have [17:03] Techrights-sec their words come from his mouth. [17:03] Techrights-sec Add Durusau to the list. Something bad happened to him on his visit there. [17:03] Techrights-sec s/bad/very bad/ [17:31] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [17:37] Techrights-sec If even one person could speak as an insider about M$ politics and lack of [17:37] Techrights-sec security, like is happening with Twitter, it would be closed down in a week. [17:37] schestowitz-TR2 and now /. is meetooing LF [17:37] schestowitz-TR2 in the LINUX section [17:37] schestowitz-TR2 not related to Linux at all [17:37] schestowitz-TR2 openwashing some "wallet" shit [17:37] schestowitz-TR2 virtual money [17:37] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2014/07/31/microsoft-back-doors-admission/ [17:37] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Former Microsoft Engineer Working on Windows BitLocker Confirms Government Asks Microsoft for Back Doors | Techrights ● Sep 13 [18:08] Techrights-sec Yes, but that is just not even scratching the surface. There have been so [18:08] Techrights-sec many hints about far, far worse. [18:08] Techrights-sec And not just to the US government either. But it comes at the cost of having [18:08] Techrights-sec an infrastructure which is completely permeable not only to domestic agencies [18:08] Techrights-sec but also to *all* (or any that care to try) foreign ones. [18:09] schestowitz-TR2 empire protect thoise that control them, not those who fight for them [18:09] schestowitz-TR2 compliicity with gov is a SELLING POINT [18:09] schestowitz-TR2 just not to users [18:09] schestowitz-TR2 but to governments [18:10] Techrights-sec ack ● Sep 13 [19:33] *Noisytoot has quit (Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in) [19:36] *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@tkbibjhmbkvb8.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Sep 13 [20:08] *_Mio14 (~quassel@freenode-a4b.2rn.039cds.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [20:08] *Mio14 has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) ● Sep 13 [21:02] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@4d8iv5adckiqq.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Sep 13 [23:10] *psydroid2 has quit (connection closed)