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schestowitz | x https://www.economist.com/finance-and-economics/2021/09/25/why-it-is-wise-to-add-bitcoin-to-an-investment-portfolio | Oct 13 09:55 |
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-altlink_22b/#boycottnovell-📣 Cloudflare: economist.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.economist.com/finance-and-economics/2021/09/25/why-it-is-wise-to-add-bitcoin-to-an-investment-portfolio | Oct 13 09:55 | |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.economist.com | Why it is wise to add bitcoin to an investment portfolio | The Economist | Oct 13 09:55 | |
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schestowitz-TR2 | https://nitter.eu/migueldeicaza/status/1448202860353802243#m | Oct 13 13:44 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-nitter.eu | Miguel “mask and vax” de Icaza (@migueldeicaza): "What they lack in smarts, they make up in volume." | nitter | Oct 13 13:44 | |
schestowitz-TR2 | our friend Miguel | Oct 13 13:44 |
schestowitz-TR2 | the crowd of the troll | Oct 13 13:44 |
schestowitz-TR2 | from Microsof | Oct 13 13:44 |
schestowitz-TR2 | https://nitter.eu/migueldeicaza/status/1448200314465751049#m | Oct 13 13:46 |
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-nitter.eu | Miguel “mask and vax” de Icaza (@migueldeicaza): "Went to see what that was about, and they are still talking about me? They need to see a doctor." | nitter | Oct 13 13:46 | |
schestowitz-TR2 | using all that gender politics | Oct 13 13:46 |
schestowitz-TR2 | to distract from the actual substance | Oct 13 13:47 |
schestowitz-TR2 | typical BS | Oct 13 13:47 |
schestowitz-TR2 | DaemonFC: ^^ | Oct 13 13:47 |
psydruid | stay classy Miguel El Traidor | Oct 13 13:48 |
schestowitz-TR2 | yeah | Oct 13 13:48 |
schestowitz-TR2 | at least you see the target audience | Oct 13 13:48 |
schestowitz-TR2 | the same tactics against RMS | Oct 13 13:48 |
schestowitz-TR2 | call people transphobic or something | Oct 13 13:48 |
schestowitz-TR2 | even those who are not | Oct 13 13:48 |
DaemonFC | Miguel tried interviewing to work on Internet Explorer in 1997. So it shows where he's been at the entire time. | Oct 13 13:49 |
DaemonFC | GNOME was just a paycheck and a way to try to prove his loyalty, by stuffing it with Microsoft shit as part of a resume. | Oct 13 13:49 |
psydruid | I am convinced he and Friendman were sent out on a mission to destroy free software from the inside out by Microsoft | Oct 13 13:49 |
psydruid | indeed | Oct 13 13:49 |
psydruid | Friedman* | Oct 13 13:49 |
psydruid | lol, Friendman | Oct 13 13:50 |
DaemonFC | I'm a friend, man! | Oct 13 13:50 |
schestowitz-TR2 | psydruid: they are together in this | Oct 13 13:50 |
schestowitz-TR2 | anyway, you see their methods | Oct 13 13:50 |
psydruid | I'm your friend, I will stab you in the back in a friendly way! | Oct 13 13:50 |
schestowitz-TR2 | they are class traitors | Oct 13 13:50 |
schestowitz-TR2 | and they attack the communityt | Oct 13 13:51 |
DaemonFC | OOXML and the worst boot firmware ever. | Oct 13 13:51 |
schestowitz-TR2 | they cannot defend what they do on ethical and technical grounds | Oct 13 13:51 |
schestowitz-TR2 | so they start provoking people | Oct 13 13:51 |
schestowitz-TR2 | and then use all that unrelated nonsense | Oct 13 13:51 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz-TR2, Matthew Garrett was smearing Coreboot the other day on Twitter. | Oct 13 13:51 |
DaemonFC | The whole reason Google uses it on Chromebook is to get away from dodgy and unsupportable uEFI mess that would just make the Chromebooks unreliable with decades of bugs and ridiculous Microsoft specs that are 100x bigger than they need be. | Oct 13 13:52 |
psydruid | he will shout about it from rooftops everywhere he goes | Oct 13 13:52 |
schestowitz-TR2 | don't mention "rooftops" | Oct 13 13:53 |
schestowitz-TR2 | he'll make false allegations | Oct 13 13:53 |
DaemonFC | They didn't really get away from any of the BIOS problems. | Oct 13 13:53 |
schestowitz-TR2 | apparently leah hates his guts | Oct 13 13:53 |
psydruid | yeah, just against me hopefully | Oct 13 13:53 |
schestowitz-TR2 | for the FUD | Oct 13 13:53 |
DaemonFC | Because they copypasted all of the code that was a true nightmare and then wrote a bunch more. | Oct 13 13:53 |
schestowitz-TR2 | promote Microsoft boot | Oct 13 13:53 |
schestowitz-TR2 | bash libre and core boot | Oct 13 13:53 |
schestowitz-TR2 | get FSF award | Oct 13 13:53 |
*schestowitz-TR2 in disbelief | Oct 13 13:53 | |
psydruid | seeing his life's work being reduced to zero value must hurt his pride | Oct 13 13:54 |
schestowitz-TR2 | did FSF waste an award in an effrot to appease a professional troll? | Oct 13 13:54 |
schestowitz-TR2 | psydruid: wellk, he still amassed a lot of money by attacking us | Oct 13 13:54 |
schestowitz-TR2 | can probably retire already | Oct 13 13:54 |
schestowitz-TR2 | at 40 something | Oct 13 13:54 |
DaemonFC | Since there was no hard requirement to drop any ACPI or AML stuff, there's still code that was copypasted that goes looking for Windows 98 and Linux 2.4 kernels that you can't even run on uEFI anymore. | Oct 13 13:54 |
DaemonFC | It still exists on Lenovo's current laptops even though they removed the CSM module that could allow it to POTENTIALLY boot some old OS like that. | Oct 13 13:55 |
psydruid | schestowitz-TR2, retire to do what? tweet nonsense all day long? | Oct 13 13:55 |
DaemonFC | In their books, if it works at all, it's perfect. Leave it alone. | Oct 13 13:56 |
DaemonFC | No reason to do a code cleanup. | Oct 13 13:56 |
DaemonFC | And to Miguel and Matthew, those people are role models. | Oct 13 13:56 |
psydruid | how hard is it to boot other operating systems on current Intel and AMD hardware? | Oct 13 13:56 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz-TR2, And if you talk about this, they never give you a reply. Ever. | Oct 13 13:56 |
psydruid | I have zero experience with it, so I don't know | Oct 13 13:57 |
DaemonFC | psydruid, On this laptop? You can't boot anything that needs a legacy BIOS. | Oct 13 13:57 |
DaemonFC | You also probably can't boot anything that doesn't understand all of the weird firmware bugs and disregards them. | Oct 13 13:57 |
DaemonFC | Or anything that doesn't implement Windows 10's style of ACPI code. | Oct 13 13:58 |
DaemonFC | At least if you want power management to work. | Oct 13 13:58 |
schestowitz-TR2 | I never tried alternative bootloaders | Oct 13 13:59 |
schestowitz-TR2 | almost did with SEABIOS | Oct 13 13:59 |
DaemonFC | The problem Linux used to have with ACPI wasn't that firmware just disregarded it entirely. | Oct 13 13:59 |
schestowitz-TR2 | iirc, whatever that was called | Oct 13 13:59 |
psydruid | 2 years ago I installed Debian amd64 in QEMU on Debian arm64 to see if that would be a viable way to run and test applications for that architecture, but I think it will still take a few more years for the performance to become good enough for such scenarios | Oct 13 13:59 |
DaemonFC | It's that it said "If you're Linux, take this bad code path and crash.". | Oct 13 13:59 |
schestowitz-TR2 | well, not bootloaders | Oct 13 13:59 |
schestowitz-TR2 | wrong term | Oct 13 13:59 |
schestowitz-TR2 | more like BIOS | Oct 13 13:59 |
schestowitz-TR2 | now it's not even bios | Oct 13 13:59 |
psydruid | at least with QEMU you can still get a regular open BIOS | Oct 13 13:59 |
DaemonFC | And so since Linux 2.6.9, it ignores those cases and uses a Windows ACPI table. | Oct 13 13:59 |
schestowitz-TR2 | they 'cook' or 'bake' malicious crap into the computers | Oct 13 13:59 |
schestowitz-TR2 | and let the OS even MODIFY this | Oct 13 13:59 |
schestowitz-TR2 | what a terrible design | Oct 13 13:59 |
schestowitz-TR2 | with network access | Oct 13 13:59 |
psydruid | without any of the uEFI, Secure Boot and TPM nonsense | Oct 13 14:00 |
DaemonFC | The TPM is not mandatory. IF you don't have a driver for it, you could just ignore it and let it not work at all. | Oct 13 14:01 |
psydruid | I know it isn't mandatory, but shipping it by default is already something that should be up to the user/buyer and not to the x86 computer industry | Oct 13 14:02 |
DaemonFC | Theoretically, uEFI doesn't need bootloaders. | Oct 13 14:02 |
psydruid | just make a facility for people to insert their own TPMs | Oct 13 14:02 |
DaemonFC | But you can't even rely on that because many OEMs cripple it so you need a bootloader again. | Oct 13 14:02 |
psydruid | unless the goal is controlling your clients | Oct 13 14:02 |
psydruid | but then I am not sure I want to deal with your company | Oct 13 14:02 |
DaemonFC | Linux has a driver for the TPM in this laptop, I think. | Oct 13 14:04 |
DaemonFC | Not sure what uses it. | Oct 13 14:04 |
DaemonFC | I don't like encrypted storage. | Oct 13 14:07 |
DaemonFC | I don't have anything that sensitive and I'll probably lose my data to some complexity or bugs introduced by the encryption itself before I lose control of the storage. | Oct 13 14:08 |
DaemonFC | Plus you can wipe a drive before discarding it. | Oct 13 14:08 |
psydruid | I can see a use case for work computers | Oct 13 14:08 |
psydruid | but even the control should be with IT support and not with the hardware vendor | Oct 13 14:09 |
DaemonFC | To the Matthew Garretts, security is losing your data because Bitlocker freaks out at every BIOS update and randomly for good measure. | Oct 13 14:09 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz-TR2, ^ | Oct 13 14:09 |
psydruid | even then* | Oct 13 14:09 |
DaemonFC | something happened something happened - Windows 10 | Oct 13 14:10 |
DaemonFC | I saw another error like this on Windows 11 recently. | Oct 13 14:10 |
psydruid | it's still a farce that this operating system is being used to control an entire hardware industry | Oct 13 14:11 |
psydruid | and also to carry out important tasks at companies | Oct 13 14:12 |
psydruid | when it isn't suitable for anything more than playing Solitary | Oct 13 14:12 |
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schestowitz-TR | headsup | Oct 13 21:30 |
schestowitz-TR | we have an important whistleblower | Oct 13 21:30 |
schestowitz-TR | Microsoft/GitHub | Oct 13 21:30 |
schestowitz-TR | will try to use mumble for e2ee | Oct 13 21:31 |
psydruid | It looks like they are aware of the backlash and that Techrights helps getting their abuses out into the world | Oct 13 22:11 |
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