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[04:33] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [04:33] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@22agg6qj8dxhg.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 13 [07:41] schestowitz-TR regarding population explosion, yes, I am perfectly aware [07:42] Techrights-sec http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-121022.html#tOct%2012%2006:10:25 [07:42] Techrights-sec ^ topic ? [07:42] Techrights-sec http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-121022.html#tOct%2012%2003:13:18 [07:42] Techrights-sec # there are far cheaper, far more reliable MFA solutions than "smartphones" [07:42] Techrights-sec Yubikey, Onlykey, Nitrokey, etc. all last many more years than a "smartphone" [07:42] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Wednesday, October 12, 2022 [07:42] Techrights-sec and without the risk of remote compromise that comes with the "smartphones" [07:42] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | IRC: #techbytes @ Techrights IRC Network: Wednesday, October 12, 2022 [07:42] Techrights-sec Pushing out "smartphones" gives every appearance of a solution in search of [07:42] Techrights-sec a problem. Are kickbacks or something similar involved? [07:43] schestowitz-TR you are thinking way ahead and over-estimate our 'talent' [07:43] schestowitz-TR two of them have ZERO skills in tech and are just sleeping with a colleague [07:43] schestowitz-TR they use 'Linux'... in virtualbox in Windows [07:43] schestowitz-TR so giving them yubikey is like buying a coffee machine capsule to someone in a congoese jungle [07:50] Techrights-sec So then it sounds like they are bending policy into something which justifiess [07:50] Techrights-sec them buying useless, expensive toys using the company's money. [07:50] Techrights-sec They should just be upfront and ask for a PS5 for the one "employee" [07:53] schestowitz-TR I have not even been sent a contract to sign yet and am considering the options [07:53] schestowitz-TR rianne keeps saying, [07:53] schestowitz-TR if we tolerate thig [07:53] schestowitz-TR *this [07:53] schestowitz-TR the next stage might be, not you need to use "company laptop" [07:53] schestowitz-TR with who-knows-what on it [07:53] schestowitz-TR we have colleagues with use hypePhones [07:53] schestowitz-TR this is not the company I joined in Feb 2011 [07:53] schestowitz-TR and we have NO security people [07:53] schestowitz-TR just a bunch of self-appointing pretenders ● Oct 13 [08:00] schestowitz-TR back on the prior topic, any advice you can give would help [08:00] schestowitz-TR as we are still not certain how to deal with this [08:00] schestowitz-TR adding "cellphone" to the home based on false pretenses is surrendering to frauds [08:00] schestowitz-TR a lot of it was (after 50 mins on phone), "we MIGHT find use for it in the future" [08:00] schestowitz-TR mfa suually works with landline also [08:00] schestowitz-TR they phone and read our a numbers [08:02] Techrights-sec yes, the proposed "smartphone" deployment is fraudulent on several levels. [08:02] Techrights-sec In other words, they have no use for it now and it is a solution in search of [08:02] Techrights-sec a problem. :( [08:02] Techrights-sec Just-in-time is generally more cost efficient when dealing with rapidly [08:02] Techrights-sec obsolete products that depreciate in both value and utility at a frenetic rate. [08:02] Techrights-sec If they are truly interested in MFA then they should be looking around to see [08:02] Techrights-sec what options there are and which are most future-proof, least cost, and [08:02] Techrights-sec least maintenance. That pretty much excludes all "smartphones". [08:02] schestowitz-TR ack [08:05] Techrights-sec There are many kinds of 2FA. Some call and speak a short number or code word. [08:05] Techrights-sec That works independent of phone type. Or if SMS is required (insecure in the [08:05] Techrights-sec big picture) then a 15 EUR feature phone will be far more cost effective. [08:05] Techrights-sec Furthermore, apps are generally just mutilated web browsers that have been [08:05] Techrights-sec locked to a single site and never updated for security or other reasons. [08:05] Techrights-sec https://www.nitrokey.com/ [08:05] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Nitrokey |Secure your digital life [08:05] Techrights-sec https://onlykey.io/ [08:05] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-onlykey.io | OnlyKey Hardware Password Manager | One PIN to remember [08:07] schestowitz-TR someone from finland once sent me entropykey [08:07] schestowitz-TR I still have it, but the drivers might be well out of data [08:07] schestowitz-TR that was back when I did GNU/Linux advocacy around 2007 or prior [08:10] Techrights-sec With the "smartphone" what happens when it is lost, stolen, broken, compromised, [08:10] Techrights-sec or the battery runs down? Entropy keys would be useful on a server. [08:10] Techrights-sec There should be a spare "smartphone" to avoid denial of service in those [08:10] Techrights-sec scenarios. That's too expensive. [08:10] Techrights-sec This is probably the least expensive option, [08:10] Techrights-sec https://www.yubico.com/products/security-key/ [08:10] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Security Key Series | YubiKeys | Yubico [08:10] Techrights-sec least expensive [08:12] schestowitz-TR like I said earlier, NO SECURITY_PROFICIENT PEOPLE make these decisions [08:12] schestowitz-TR they are frauds like SarinGas [08:12] schestowitz-TR and this is what we cannot accept [08:12] schestowitz-TR I told him I've lectured even hospitals here on secuirty since age 22 [08:12] schestowitz-TR I'm a lot more qualified than them [08:12] schestowitz-TR not that I' a a guru, it's really not my area [08:12] schestowitz-TR and I often deal with outdated systems, though no more outdated than $employer's [08:12] schestowitz-TR due to costs and sys admin constraints (we both know this; tessier was more hands-on) [08:12] schestowitz-TR to remind you, one org we support advocates human rights in iran and its staff is targeted [08:12] schestowitz-TR you sometimes link to their site [08:12] schestowitz-TR with masturbating pretenders as "bosses" they can die [08:14] Techrights-sec Yes, clearly frauds looking for an excuse to buy the most expensive model [08:14] Techrights-sec of "smartphone" for themselves using company money. [08:14] Techrights-sec What models (specifically) of "smartphone" are they proposing or is [08:14] Techrights-sec there a hierarchy of expense. [08:14] Techrights-sec Many of the newer hardware tokens even allow for NFC, something I am undecided [08:14] Techrights-sec about, which would ease their use among those with such computers or [08:14] Techrights-sec "smartphones" [08:14] Techrights-sec They probably have multiple fatwas against them. [08:14] Techrights-sec It sounds like if they wise up they will fire your boss either by sending [08:14] Techrights-sec him on his way or by moving to a different provider. [08:14] Techrights-sec ack [08:15] schestowitz-TR look up maxziar bahari [08:15] schestowitz-TR maziar [08:16] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [08:17] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [08:23] schestowitz-TR I've not yet received the thing they want signed [08:23] schestowitz-TR it might shed a clue on what we're being exposed to (if consenting) [08:23] schestowitz-TR I would not spend money on lawyers if I can read it meticulously myself [08:23] schestowitz-TR my uncle us a judge, he gave me advice a few times in past years [08:24] schestowitz-TR I reckon it allows several "new" abuses and protects them in case of us suing [08:24] Techrights-sec In some jurisdictions one can strike out offending words, sentences, and [08:24] Techrights-sec paragraphs with a pen prior to signing. Another trick is to ask for an [08:24] Techrights-sec electronic copy, and you edit it, print it out and then send the edited [08:24] Techrights-sec version back. :P [08:28] Techrights-sec From what you have described they have not presented a case for purchasing [08:28] Techrights-sec such expensive and perishable items as "smartphones". It sounds more liek [08:28] Techrights-sec s/liek/like/ [08:28] Techrights-sec one or two wishes to use company money for a toy of their own. [08:35] schestowitz-TR just had a chat with rianne [08:35] schestowitz-TR circa 10 mins [08:35] schestowitz-TR so we like this idea [08:35] schestowitz-TR we print out the PDF [08:35] schestowitz-TR we wait 1-2 weeks, for "seeing a lawyer" (not) [08:35] schestowitz-TR first delay [08:35] schestowitz-TR then we send modified version with parts "deemed likely illegal" [08:35] schestowitz-TR they cannot fire because [08:35] schestowitz-TR they can get sued for retaliating upon trying to "asap" get us to sign something not legal [08:35] schestowitz-TR and this legal threat can itself foil the whole plan [08:35] schestowitz-TR we think [08:35] schestowitz-TR or get us exempted [08:37] Techrights-sec more gimmicks: [08:37] Techrights-sec https://www.maketecheasier.com/best-hardware-security-keys/ [08:37] Techrights-sec Closed source gimmick: https://duo.com/product/multi-factor-authentication-mfa/two-factor-authentication-2fa [08:37] Techrights-sec What are the FSF's recommendations for tokens and authenticators? [08:37] Techrights-sec Especially for ones that do not require "smartphone" surveillance. [08:37] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.maketecheasier.com | 5 of the Best Hardware Security Keys for Two-Factor Authentication - Make Tech Easier [08:37] Techrights-sec ack [08:37] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Two-Factor Authentication (2FA) | Duo Security [08:38] Techrights-sec It still sounds like someone there is looking for an excuse to buy himself [08:38] Techrights-sec and expensive toy using company money. [08:38] Techrights-sec I supposed they have not even considered physical security. [08:38] Techrights-sec You should recommend purchasing specialized devices for that for all the [08:38] Techrights-sec staff, Glock 17DK would be a good match for physical security. [08:38] schestowitz-TR ack [08:38] schestowitz-TR thinking... [08:52] *Despatche has quit (Quit: Read error: Connection reset by deer) ● Oct 13 [09:49] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: ping [09:49] schestowitz-TR immune system is now something you get buy/get off the shelf [09:50] schestowitz-TR the link you gave is german's national broadcaster [09:50] schestowitz-TR and it shut him upo [09:50] mjg59_ What? No it didn't. [09:51] schestowitz "Idiots can be defeated but they never admit it." [09:51] schestowitz -RMS [09:51] mjg59_ Just point at the fucking study, Roy. [09:58] DaemonFC "The CDC says that although two doses of the vaccine work to prevent severe illness in most people, boosters can help protect severe illness in people in risk groups, and against reinfection from new variants like omicron. [09:58] DaemonFC Recent trials in Israel and the US have also shown that boosters can help protect older people. Offit says they make sense for people who need them due to risk factors, but that protection from omicron alone isn't enough of a reason to boost everyone. [09:58] DaemonFC "The people who get hospitalized, people who have multiple comorbidities, who are older or immunosuppressed boost them. I'm all for that," Offit said. "But I just don't understand the story of this war against mild disease in healthy young people." ● Oct 13 [10:00] mjg59_ DaemonFC: Can you point at the bit where it says that additional COVID vaccinations reduce your immune response to non-COVID diseases? [10:01] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: he uses a straw man argument now [10:01] schestowitz-TR by making up the think to refute [10:02] schestowitz-TR don't waste time on it [10:03] mjg59_ 08:56 < schestowitz[TR]> they said people vaccinated for covid-19 were more prone to contracting other viruses [10:03] mjg59_ What, precisely, am I making up? [10:35] *starstreak has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [10:53] *parsifal (~parsifal@8vte7vm6885eu.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [10:54] *parsifal has quit (Quit: Leaving) [10:54] schestowitz-TR apps are (mostly) overrated gemini://cyi1341.smol.pub/random20 ● Oct 13 [11:00] Techrights-sec Web2.0 front-ends aka masses of javascript in single-site, insecure, outdated [11:00] Techrights-sec browsers. [11:02] schestowitz-TR web sites that read your location as you walk [11:02] schestowitz-TR and can even figure out orientation vertically on some "phones" [11:02] schestowitz-TR web sites that easily gain access to call history , address book, microphone, and multiple cameras :-) [11:02] schestowitz-TR (apropos the news about ./l in SN, re webcam always on) [11:02] schestowitz-TR *nl [11:04] schestowitz-TR sys admins need "apps" like barbers need box cutters [11:05] Techrights-sec That's about it. Sadly they are driven by the Google/Apple duopoly and [11:05] Techrights-sec the monkey-see, monkey-do attitude that most people take towards life. [11:06] schestowitz-TR you could even ssay money-see, money-envy [11:06] schestowitz-TR I avoid these epople like they are infectious lepers [11:06] schestowitz-TR and keep rianne safe from them, too [11:07] Techrights-sec That too. Parts of social control media are driven by negative emotions like [11:07] Techrights-sec jealously and envy and fear. [11:07] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [11:08] schestowitz-TR they are "poison" which targets the primal instincts [11:08] schestowitz-TR and should be labeled as such, esp. in reent years when making is addictive is blatant and insiders blow the whistle on it [11:09] Techrights-sec Not just target, but also actively exploit those as weaknesses. [11:09] Techrights-sec They have blown the whistle several times but the results are, without irony, [11:09] Techrights-sec "discussed" on said same social control media where they are quickly stifled. [11:09] Techrights-sec and suppressed. [11:12] Techrights-sec :( [11:12] schestowitz-TR rianne stopped buying much clothes, except for selling, when she quit the BS machine [11:13] schestowitz-TR rianne became a happier person when she stopped "using" FB [11:13] schestowitz-TR a side issue I learned over time is that people buy a lot more clothes [11:13] schestowitz-TR almost like disposables [11:13] schestowitz-TR just to show off how big their wardrobe (status symbol) is [11:13] schestowitz-TR and in social control media you're not allowed ro 'reuse' an item of clothing [11:13] schestowitz-TR that makes you petty and 'poor' [11:13] Techrights-sec :( [11:13] schestowitz-TR so there are envioronmental aspects to these literally toxic (dyes etc.) "sites" [11:19] schestowitz-TR funny your should mention batteries or UPSs [11:19] schestowitz-TR earlier on I was thinking of it in the context of fake reasons for "smart" phone (tethering) [11:19] schestowitz-TR no power may mean no connection [11:19] schestowitz-TR but no power means no pi (vpn) [11:19] schestowitz-TR no monitors [11:19] schestowitz-TR and only a few hours for laptops [11:19] schestowitz-TR and the router too need power [11:19] schestowitz-TR so, to us at least, they 'solve' an issue that does not exist [11:19] schestowitz-TR or a problem that cannot be overcome [11:19] schestowitz-TR in some scenarios the exchanges too can run out of power [11:19] schestowitz-TR or nearby stations [11:19] schestowitz-TR so even a ups at the router and batteries on a laptop... no good [11:19] schestowitz-TR we cannot do our job on "apps" [11:22] Techrights-sec The move to 5G mobile networking is another energy problem as the signal requires much more power to send and receive. In the event of outages the towers [11:22] Techrights-sec won't be able to work on reserve power for any appreciable amount of time. [11:22] Techrights-sec UPS is only intended to give the computer breathing room to power down before [11:22] Techrights-sec hard cutoff. There are other options (I forget the name) for proper uptime. [11:22] Techrights-sec The best is to keep the large displays and printers off those circuits. [11:22] Techrights-sec The router is a read-only OS and does not need power because if there is no [11:22] Techrights-sec electricity there is no network anyway. [11:22] Techrights-sec UPS is only a buffer for a few minutes. [11:22] Techrights-sec ANother reason the job cannot be done on apps is that the batteries in the [11:22] Techrights-sec "smartphones" last only a few hours. You'd get as much life out of a new [11:22] Techrights-sec s/new/old/ [11:23] Techrights-sec laptop. If you can get a new laptop, some of them claim to have 10 - 12 hours [11:23] Techrights-sec of usage per charge. [11:23] Techrights-sec Just avoid Nvidia for that. [11:23] schestowitz-TR wait, the energy supplier's guy, whom I spoke to for a very long time, said the copper net connection can still deliver during localised blackouits/outages [11:23] schestowitz-TR because at the edges there are some batteries for spare hours [11:23] schestowitz-TR and gracefully degrdation [11:23] schestowitz-TR which I believe... [11:23] schestowitz-TR so if I can boost the router during any sort of blackkouts (planned or unexpected) [11:23] schestowitz-TR then I can still use the laptops while connected [11:23] Techrights-sec It depends on a lot of factors. But either way, a UPS is not what would b [11:23] Techrights-sec e needed at your site. [11:25] schestowitz-TR yes, normal ups is not what I was after but something that can give enough to the pi and router for maybe 3 hours [11:25] schestowitz-TR like laptops' batteries [11:27] mjg59_ I have no idea what you're talking about, but consumer UPSes will let routers, modems and a small amount of additional hardware work for hours [11:28] mjg59_ The UPS supplying my uplink will let it run for about 3 hours before dropping out [11:52] Techrights-sec Another point with the power is that lead-acid batteries are only good for [11:52] Techrights-sec a few years, an estimated 3 to 5 if I recall correctly. [11:53] schestowitz-TR I recall reading about ups appliance whose life was so short that they were never put to use in a real incident [11:53] schestowitz-TR and due to lack of trial and error when a real incident happened they failed to kick in [11:55] schestowitz-TR :-( another linux news sites I followed is dying [11:55] schestowitz-TR started posting webspam instead of real stories [11:55] schestowitz-TR they never recover from that, not fully anyway [11:55] schestowitz-TR it's a shift in attitude [11:55] schestowitz-TR like "tfir" [11:59] Techrights-sec there's not much point in them sticking around once they begin pushing webspam [11:59] Techrights-sec they can coast a little on the brand recognition and reputation but that [11:59] Techrights-sec s/that/those. [11:59] Techrights-sec both disappear quickly once the webspam starts [11:59] Techrights-sec However, that might be one of the goals of pushing out the web spam. [11:59] Techrights-sec It takes the site down without people missing it. ● Oct 13 [12:01] schestowitz-TR seems like an innovative, creative, novel, covert way to take out one's opposition [12:01] schestowitz-TR inm theory [12:01] schestowitz-TR partly joking [12:01] schestowitz-TR using money to destroy their sites [12:01] schestowitz-TR and ruin the brand [12:02] schestowitz-TR I'm looking at you, itsfoss, fossforce, linux.com [12:02] schestowitz-TR (LF dumpster fires [12:02] schestowitz-TR did you see the zemlin video I posted last night in TR? [12:02] schestowitz-TR The man is unhinged [12:02] schestowitz-TR like a gates npr rep [12:11] Techrights-sec No, I don't usually have the chance to keep up with the videos just the text [12:12] schestowitz-TR btw, I need to look deeper into articles I read about vaccine experts expressing concerns that "updated" pfizer jabs were only tested on animals [12:12] schestowitz-TR I think in the coming years we'lll see further digging into what was actually tested and to what extent [12:12] schestowitz-TR with effects more serious than hair loss or vomiting [12:12] schestowitz-TR supprssing research into this can be done within the grant framdworks [12:12] schestowitz-TR and corporations controlling universities [12:12] schestowitz-TR but there are always some inquiries [12:12] schestowitz-TR that of course corporate media is quick to demonise [12:12] schestowitz-TR today at 4pm we get the weekly data from nhs [12:12] schestowitz-TR I've not checked the ons data for death (11/10) [12:12] schestowitz-TR but each week they add more [12:12] schestowitz-TR I still have some working spreadsheers, I can insert the missing (new weeks) in [12:12] schestowitz-TR and maybe make some graphs soon [12:12] schestowitz-TR the ons data is always about 2-3 weeks back [12:12] schestowitz-TR due to backlog [12:12] Techrights-sec How up-to-date is the weekly data? I got the impression they were delaying [12:12] Techrights-sec substantially [12:12] Techrights-sec ack [12:14] schestowitz-TR I did a 26 minute video about it on Monday [12:14] schestowitz-TR the data is fantastic [12:14] schestowitz-TR because it is vast [12:14] schestowitz-TR so much so that you can see the curves being very smooth [12:14] schestowitz-TR and when there is a pattern, it is based on a massive number of people not a random set or subset [12:20] Techrights-sec gnuplot can do error bars iirc [12:21] schestowitz-TR I should add error bars (if I recall hwo to calculater them, maybe libreoffice has that built in) [12:21] schestowitz-TR to show the certainty and accuracy of these curves [12:21] schestowitz-TR the error bars would be small due to the set size [12:21] schestowitz-TR I might need to check my own thesis to recall how I rendered them and calculated them [12:21] schestowitz-TR built in, or need you pass those to it as args? [12:21] schestowitz-TR I guess the latter [12:21] schestowitz-TR so you still need to compute [12:21] schestowitz-TR gnuplot typically just takes a series of value [12:21] schestowitz-TR I worked a LOT with gnuplot [12:21] schestowitz-TR even to plot tuxmachines activity some years ago [12:21] schestowitz-TR gnuplot does not do the maths for you [12:21] schestowitz-TR and the series of figures alone does not give you error bars [12:21] schestowitz-TR you need to computer them based on external variables, such as set size [12:23] Techrights-sec I haven't done it in too long so cannot remember. [12:23] Techrights-sec Strangly I remember methods from decades ago. :/ [12:23] Techrights-sec https://gnuplot.sourceforge.net/docs_4.2/node140.html [12:23] Techrights-sec Can you find the script you used back then? [12:23] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-gnuplot.sourceforge.net | Errorbars [12:25] schestowitz-TR you can chain gnuplot with dc or bc and then plot something [12:25] schestowitz-TR in tuxmachines blog (old) i showed some scripts with gnuplot [12:25] schestowitz-TR but that was like 5 years ago [12:25] schestowitz-TR and tuxmachines is moving on [12:25] schestowitz-TR btw, search and archives still not there, but they're not so critical [12:25] schestowitz-TR if search is added, then adding s static secton for "related stories:" becomes possible each time a page gets added [12:25] schestowitz-TR later today I will see many "reds" in nhs, focus on that, later (another day, i work at 5:30 today) will work on death cert data [12:25] schestowitz-TR it should be easy to show people my age die younger [12:25] schestowitz-TR but not much research into causes [12:26] schestowitz-TR could be so many things [12:26] schestowitz-TR immune system [12:26] schestowitz-TR long covid [12:26] schestowitz-TR depression [12:26] schestowitz-TR poverty [12:26] schestowitz-TR nhs sucking [12:26] schestowitz-TR no access to screenings in 2020-21 [12:26] schestowitz-TR need to study [12:26] schestowitz-TR all I can do is show what the data shows [12:26] schestowitz-TR 10% more deaths [12:26] schestowitz-TR in my age group [12:26] schestowitz-TR many are young parents [12:27] Techrights-sec Then there are the harder-to-track effects like "long COVID" and organ damage [12:27] Techrights-sec like ruined hearts etc [12:27] Techrights-sec Those are harder to measure [12:27] Techrights-sec and thus unlikely to be published even irregularly if at all [12:29] schestowitz-TR I'm careful to not speculate and instead focus on the knowns [12:29] schestowitz-TR like "number people dead in [age bracket]" [12:29] schestowitz-TR then, the task is for someone else to study the causes [12:29] schestowitz-TR we also see a decrease in windows usage [12:29] schestowitz-TR and vista 11 adoption [12:29] schestowitz-TR but the causes might be more complicate to explaina nd vary demographically [12:30] Techrights-sec Right. The causes of the decline in Vista10, Vista11 are not known [12:30] Techrights-sec Though it looks like many people are moving to Android instead in the various [12:30] Techrights-sec populations. What would be easily measurable is that whether it is an [12:30] Techrights-sec actual shift to Android or if new Android users are simply outnumbering [12:30] Techrights-sec Vista users [12:32] schestowitz-TR it is a possibility, but it's not like poor countries started using computers only in 2008 [12:32] schestowitz-TR and some use multiple devices [12:32] schestowitz-TR PCs got expensive [12:32] schestowitz-TR people got poorers [12:32] schestowitz-TR PC slaes collapsed [12:32] schestowitz-TR and I read that in china many chose to have just 'phone' and not a PC [12:32] schestowitz-TR I think my mom barely uses a PC anymore [12:32] schestowitz-TR not that she is any more productive now [12:33] Techrights-sec That's what I'm thinking. That the "smartphones" are spreading into places [12:33] Techrights-sec where there was nothing at all before. That still breaks the monopoly though, [12:33] Techrights-sec since market share is market share. [12:33] Techrights-sec Most people would rather spend 40 minutes dorking unproductively with the [12:33] Techrights-sec "smartphone" than waiting a bit and getting done with the same task in < 5 min [12:33] Techrights-sec when in front of a real computer. [12:34] schestowitz-TR yes, precisely! [12:34] schestowitz-TR like making cereal instead of proper breaskfast [12:34] schestowitz-TR and the "cereal" these days tened to be carb-bombs [12:34] schestowitz-TR (hehe, sounds like "car bomb") [12:34] schestowitz-TR ()nothing funny about these) [12:35] Techrights-sec It makes me think that the dorking around is their goal not the actual task [12:35] Techrights-sec they are pretending to pursue. ● Oct 13 [13:18] schestowitz Two days ago the company did this, without notifying anyone: [13:18] schestowitz https://www.qaccounting.com/i-use-accountants-registered-office-address/ [13:18] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.qaccounting.com | Should I Use My Accountants As My Registered Office Address? - QA [13:18] schestowitz https://www.1stformations.co.uk/blog/use-accountant-registered-office/ [13:18] schestowitz turns out it is legal, but not a good sign. We shut down our office in July 2020 [13:18] schestowitz the "Smart" phone BS came a day after the address change [13:18] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.1stformations.co.uk | Using Your Accountant For a Registered Office | 1st Formations [13:18] schestowitz thoughts? [13:27] Techrights-sec checking [13:27] Techrights-sec It's problematic that he remains employed despite lying [13:27] schestowitz-TR timing must have been a coincidence [13:27] schestowitz-TR maybe related to maternity leave for one who checked the PO box [13:27] schestowitz-TR but she went on leave months ago [13:27] schestowitz-TR I notced address change within like less thana day [13:27] schestowitz-TR I check some things daily [13:27] schestowitz-TR without rss [13:27] schestowitz-TR boss was shocked I had become aware (And so fast) [13:27] schestowitz-TR I reminded him I'm the longest serving staff except the founder [13:27] schestowitz-TR and I do deserve to know some things [13:27] schestowitz-TR he likes to get aggressive when exposed lying [13:28] schestowitz-TR and then pretends to be the victim [13:28] schestowitz-TR like interrupting you [13:28] schestowitz-TR and then acccusing the other personal of being rude or interrupting [13:28] schestowitz-TR that's the type of sociopaths at hand [13:28] schestowitz-TR he goes like, "why does it matter to you?" [13:28] schestowitz-TR I remind him, politely, that my reputation may be tied to the employer [13:28] schestowitz-TR like SarinGas [13:28] schestowitz-TR he does not care for or understand the business [13:28] schestowitz-TR yet someone believes to have some god-given rights to dictate [13:28] schestowitz-TR socipaths [13:28] schestowitz-TR while WE do ALL the ACTUAL work [13:28] schestowitz-TR which they CANNOT do (no skills) [13:33] Techrights-sec ack [13:57] schestowitz-TR had another chat with the homeboss (rianne) [13:57] schestowitz-TR i think we know the strategy now [13:57] schestowitz-TR and it might work okfor them to back off the plan [13:57] schestowitz-TR or make exemption [13:57] schestowitz-TR we'll see... [13:57] schestowitz-TR (joke about rianne being boss of the home) [13:57] schestowitz-TR maybe that was lost in translation [13:57] schestowitz-TR 4pm I'll have some nhs data to work with [13:57] schestowitz-TR TR might pick up speed at night when links are done ● Oct 13 [14:01] Techrights-sec ? [14:01] Techrights-sec ack [14:01] Techrights-sec ? [14:01] Techrights-sec ack [14:04] schestowitz-TR next week we have about 20-30kg of coins to carry to the bank (if all goes to plan) [14:04] schestowitz-TR I have this unproven theory [14:04] schestowitz-TR a) they mint fewer coins by moving to "new" bartering [14:04] schestowitz-TR to make scarcity [14:04] schestowitz-TR b) making coin-counting machines ascare and expensive [14:04] schestowitz-TR this way they dicourage cash use, make it a burden [14:04] schestowitz-TR I have to reopen two accounts in this bank just to use its free coin machine [14:04] schestowitz-TR it's the onle branch int he centre of town that I know has this service (for free) [14:04] schestowitz-TR some private shop take 10%(!!) for the 'service' [14:05] Techrights-sec Coins can be re-used in stores. [14:05] Techrights-sec If you have an idea how much a trp will cost, you can bring enough and count [14:05] Techrights-sec them out in time to pay. [14:07] schestowitz-TR yes, but since about 2002 I've had a habit of dumping smaller change aside, then in plastic bag [14:07] schestowitz-TR I hadn't yet known about the machines [14:07] schestowitz-TR they were scarce [14:07] schestowitz-TR imagine the first time [14:07] schestowitz-TR I come there with small organised bags [14:07] schestowitz-TR with coins sorted by type [14:08] schestowitz-TR and then they present me with this machine [14:08] schestowitz-TR so I wasted my time [14:08] schestowitz-TR except [14:08] schestowitz-TR you can then verify accuracy [14:08] schestowitz-TR like put all the tens in and see the machine only detects 10s and so on.. [14:08] schestowitz-TR to get some confidence [14:08] Techrights-sec [14:08] Techrights-sec If the shops get used to not dealing with cash then they'll have an easier time [14:08] Techrights-sec dropping it from their work flow. [14:09] schestowitz-TR yes, exactly [14:09] schestowitz-TR hence I keep reminding people to pay with cash [14:09] schestowitz-TR and also use till operators (people) [14:09] schestowitz-TR to keep them around for all of us [14:09] schestowitz-TR an act of solidarity, also job-keeping [14:11] Techrights-sec The same applies to coins, if they're not used to receiving coins they will [14:11] Techrights-sec cease allowing then in their work flow. [14:15] schestowitz-TR here, some used "COVID" as a fake excuse [14:15] schestowitz-TR I wtoe about it at the time [14:15] schestowitz-TR even made some voice notes on my PDA [14:15] schestowitz-TR I like to ask them upfront [14:15] schestowitz-TR and then turn around in an upset gesture [14:15] schestowitz-TR to make THEM, not me, feel "dirty" [14:15] schestowitz-TR you still confront not the decision makers [14:15] schestowitz-TR but people "down the chain" [14:15] schestowitz-TR in some business directly with the business owner [14:16] schestowitz-TR and you can congratulate and thank then for taking coina [14:16] schestowitz-TR and reaffirm their decision [14:16] schestowitz-TR "we come here because other places don't accdept cash..." [14:16] schestowitz-TR I taught rianne how to use body language to get serviced at the tills when they are empty [14:16] schestowitz-TR they pretend they are unmanned [14:16] schestowitz-TR and also pretend you need to buy cigs to get served by a person [14:16] schestowitz-TR there are almost always workarounds [14:16] schestowitz-TR failing that, you make a scene, then leave with the items left them for them to sort out [14:16] Techrights-sec ack [14:20] schestowitz-TR a lot of this boils down... to SOCIAL CONDITIONING [14:20] schestowitz-TR so you know how to confront the trendd/threat [14:20] schestowitz-TR reward and punishment [14:20] schestowitz-TR as the person with "the money" [14:20] schestowitz-TR tghe hardest thing now is, [14:20] schestowitz-TR still getting them to bag it for you like they used to years ago [14:20] schestowitz-TR there are ways to get that done too [14:20] schestowitz-TR subtle ways [14:20] schestowitz-TR rianne is too shy because she is small, female, and foreign-looking [14:20] schestowitz-TR if you tried to start 'hashtag' campaign in social CONTROL media, [14:20] schestowitz-TR it would not spread far [14:20] schestowitz-TR they would soon say it's an antivaxxer right-wing election-denying terrorist threat [14:20] schestowitz-TR and 'disperse' the participants [14:20] schestowitz-TR hahtags are like people "liking" or signing up to a protest [14:20] schestowitz-TR they do the government's or polcie job [14:20] schestowitz-TR or making lists of people [14:21] schestowitz-TR so funny, in a sick way... [14:21] schestowitz-TR they are mapping themselves, the "threat" [14:22] Techrights-sec ack [14:22] Techrights-sec hashtags are closely supervised and I suspect popularity is raised or lowered [14:22] Techrights-sec drastically dependin on the message the investors wish to promote [14:22] Techrights-sec Worse is that there are a lot of government representatives without actual [14:22] Techrights-sec e-mail and pretending to use MS Outlook instead. No wayto reach them [14:22] Techrights-sec but they don't know that... [14:40] schestowitz-TR "Biden White House is upset with Saudi Arabia over the recent OPEC+ decision" https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/10/12/want-punish-saudis-fast-track-nuke-agreement-iran-and-green-new-deal | Source: Common Dreams [14:40] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.commondreams.org | Opinion | Want to Punish the Saudis? Fast-Track Nuke Agreement With Iran and the Green New Deal | Juan Cole ● Oct 13 [15:02] schestowitz-TR "Walled Culture" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/10/12/techdirt-podcast-episode-333-walled-culture/ | Source: Techdirt [15:02] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Techdirt Podcast Episode 333: Walled Culture | Techdirt [15:09] Techrights-sec Hmm. That's a SoundCloud link. [15:09] Techrights-sec Hmm. That's a SoundCloud link. [15:10] schestowitz-TR yes, I am aware they outsource a lot to clown and proprietary [15:10] schestowitz-TR but remember techdirt was never a foss platform/site [15:13] *Despatche (~desp@u3xy9z2ifjzci.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [15:40] schestowitz-TR Jim Zemlin: we should be more like Microsoft http://techrights.org/2022/10/12/jim-zemlin-applauding-bill-gates/ [15:40] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Jim Zemlin Idolises Microsoft and Bill Gates (in New Talk Published This Week), Applauding a Back Doors Company and Jeffrey Epsteins Enabler | Techrights [15:47] Techrights-sec TM is active with legitimate visits, not just bots [15:48] schestowitz-TR (NEW): PostgreSQL 15 http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/13/PostgreSQL_15.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/13/PostgreSQL_15.gmi [15:48] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-news.tuxmachines.org | Tux Machines PostgreSQL 15 [15:50] schestowitz-TR speed matter a lot, maybe the most [15:50] schestowitz-TR we're only minutes, not hours, behind LWN with this [15:50] schestowitz-TR I'm not working on RSS [15:50] schestowitz-TR I have a way of identifying patterns to pick out urgent stories [15:50] schestowitz-TR and rianne also checks a lot [15:50] schestowitz-TR quiet at work today [15:50] schestowitz-TR and no new email [15:50] schestowitz-TR which is a good sign [15:58] Techrights-sec ack ● Oct 13 [16:02] schestowitz-TR covid data 2 mins [16:02] schestowitz-TR sans delays [16:02] schestowitz-TR lol delay, of course... [16:03] schestowitz-TR (NEW): Canonical displays controversial 'ad' in shell update prog http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/13/Canonical_displays_controversial_ad_in_shell_update_prog.shtml Something a hopeless company with no business modem would do (_short-term_ business model: sell out to Microsoft) [16:03] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-news.tuxmachines.org | Tux Machines Canonical displays controversial 'ad' in shell update prog [16:11] schestowitz-TR New COVID-19 Data for England: Cases Up 21%, Deaths Up 15% in a Week, Test Positivity Rate Soars to 10% https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/10/13/test-positivity-rate-soars/ [16:11] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive New COVID-19 Data for England: Cases Up 21%, Deaths Up 15% in a Week, Test Positivity Rate Soars to 10% [16:11] Techrights-sec gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/13/Canonical_displays_controversial_ad_in_shell_update_prog.gmi [16:40] schestowitz-TR Deaths Rose Sharply This September Compared to Prior Septembers (More Than 10% Higher Than in 2020) https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/10/13/covid-septembers/ [16:40] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive Deaths Rose Sharply This September Compared to Prior Septembers (More Than 10% Higher Than in 2020) [16:53] schestowitz-TR Classic FUD. Microsoft propaganda site blames "GoLang" and warns about "Linux" because someone wrote some malware and GoLang and tries to trick people into installing it. https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/new-alchimist-attack-framework-targets-windows-macos-linux/ [16:53] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.bleepingcomputer.com | New Alchimist attack framework targets Windows, macOS, Linux [16:53] schestowitz-TR -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social- www.bleepingcomputer.com | New Alchimist attack framework targets Windows, macOS, Linux [16:53] schestowitz-TR Microsoft is trying to shamelessly twist cross-platform compatibility as an undesirable thing and security nightmare. [16:58] Techrights-sec and that's when they even acknowledge non-m$ platforms [16:58] Techrights-sec normally in m$ world view, cross-platform means only working across several [16:58] Techrights-sec of the latest version of m$ windows [16:58] schestowitz-TR all versions of Vista ● Oct 13 [17:00] Techrights-sec basically [17:01] schestowitz-TR this app [sic] is cross-platform because it works in debian, kylin, sparky, and other debian derivs [17:01] schestowitz-TR (hardly even multi-platform) [17:01] schestowitz-TR bill gates believes in freedom of the press because he bribes 1000 newspapers, not just 1 [17:03] Techrights-sec x86 [17:16] *starstreak (~starstreak@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [17:35] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@h635kpe3hju7k.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [17:35] Techrights-sec https://yewtu.be/watch?v=f6wtF_2eyrU [17:35] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-yewtu.be | Glyn Moody: Walled Culture - A Journey Behind the Copyright Bricks - Invidious [17:36] schestowitz-TR thanks [17:41] Techrights-sec np [17:42] *starstreak has quit (Quit: Leaving) [17:43] schestowitz-TR How music platform Corite is turning true fans into digital street teams - Walled Culture https://walledculture.org/how-music-platform-corite-is-turning-true-fans-into-digital-street-teams/ [17:43] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Empty reply from server ( status 0 @ https://walledculture.org/how-music-platform-corite-is-turning-true-fans-into-digital-street-teams/ ) [17:43] schestowitz-TR we need to agree on how to deal with walled culture [17:43] schestowitz-TR you check, I check, or perl checks [17:43] schestowitz-TR at the moment there is duplication of effort, he has just published an item [17:45] *starstreak (~starstreak@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [17:50] Techrights-sec Better to check manually since the material seems quite good and very relevant [17:50] Techrights-sec That way it is more likely to get the positive attention it deserves. [17:50] schestowitz-TR ok, I will keep on reading it in quiterss [17:56] *Despatche has quit (Quit: Read error: Connection reset by deer) ● Oct 13 [18:22] schestowitz-TR "I'v started a new Gemini mailing list." gemini://gemini.ctrl-c.club/~sario528/gemlog/2022-10-13.gmi [18:32] Techrights-sec t is more likely to get the positive attention it deserves. [18:32] Techrights-sec ack [18:55] *liberty_box has quit (Quit: Leaving) [18:55] *liberty_box (~liberty@ngvjyiryrrbba.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 13 [20:05] *starstreak has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [20:37] *starstreak (~starstreak@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 13 [21:00] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@ncv5xc4g9q5su.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [21:05] schestowitz-TR ] Gannett? [21:05] schestowitz-TR [21:04] GOOD [21:05] schestowitz-TR [21:04] schestowitz[TR], :) [21:05] schestowitz-TR [21:04] they are malicious sites [21:05] schestowitz-TR [21:04] thatharm visitors [21:05] schestowitz-TR [21:04] " The nations largest newspaper chain, Gannett, continued its cost cutting measures today, announcing a hiring freeze, a mandatory unpaid five-day leave for every employee this December, a six-month sabbatical, a suspension of 401K matches from the company, voluntary severance offer for those who want to retire or leave the company and an optional four-day workweek." [21:05] schestowitz-TR [21:04] also propaganda network [21:05] schestowitz-TR [21:04] "Reeds announcement comes about two months after the company laid off roughly 400 employees or 3% of its U.S. workforce at papers across the country, according to a report from flagship title USA Today." [21:46] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 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