●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Tuesday, December 13, 2022 ●● ● Dec 13 [02:12] schestowitz-TR as of one hour ago, lunduke is uploading his old videos to youtube.... en masse ● Dec 13 [05:32] *Mio14 has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [05:37] *Mio14 (~quassel@freenode-41j.ifm.4e20r5.IP) has joined #boycottnovell ● Dec 13 [06:35] *Mio14 has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [06:35] *Mio14 (~quassel@freenode-nhi.7kl.f90g06.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [06:37] *u-amarsh04 has quit (*.net *.split) [06:37] *rianne has quit (*.net *.split) [06:37] *schestowitz[TR] has quit (*.net *.split) [06:37] *schestowitz[TR] (~schestowi@freenode/user/schestowitz) has joined #boycottnovell [06:37] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [06:37] *rianne (~rianne@freenode-r9p.jp8.7132oi.IP) has joined #boycottnovell ● Dec 13 [07:00] techrightssec2 :( [07:00] techrightssec2 I suppose many will be demonetized en masse for having the cheek to contain [07:00] techrightssec2 the string "Linux" in the title. [07:13] schestowitz-TR I wonder how that happened [07:13] schestowitz-TR and I did not even notice [07:33] *Mio14 has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [07:41] *Mio14 (~quassel@freenode-0qh.n9b.35qdac.IP) has joined #boycottnovell ● Dec 13 [08:14] *Mio14 has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [08:30] *Mio14 (~quassel@freenode-v7n.fa7.n2c299.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [08:35] psydruid Is that because Google wants people to use ChromeOS over GNU/Linux? [08:35] psydruid And rather Windows or macOS over GNU/Linux too? [08:35] psydruid Because big money loves other big money? [08:36] techrightssec2 maybe the authorities don't want "too many" people to control their PCs and their files [08:36] techrightssec2 use clown storage [08:36] techrightssec2 no kodi [08:36] techrightssec2 embrace DRMa [08:36] techrightssec2 and make sure all people are empty vessels, "consumers" in socially CONTROLLED "media" [08:45] psydruid It's not going to work in the end [08:46] psydruid But the irony is that all the hardware that gives people the freedom they used to have comes out of China these days [08:46] psydruid As in both chips and boards ● Dec 13 [09:03] schestowitz-TR in many aspects, china has been world leader for years [09:03] schestowitz-TR even financially it has been getting there [09:03] schestowitz-TR us likes to fake the worth of its companies and "markets" [09:03] schestowitz-TR while some people buy $50m homes [09:03] schestowitz-TR yards away from trailer parks [09:04] schestowitz-TR of people who barely survive and die from simple diseases [09:04] schestowitz-TR in terms of military, russia can take on usa already [09:04] schestowitz-TR but only if it brings out the nukes [09:04] schestowitz-TR same for chin [09:04] schestowitz-TR *china ● Dec 13 [10:28] *Mio14 has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [10:30] psydruid the megalomania of M$ has no bounds [10:30] psydruid I don't know of any other company in IT that wants to be everything to everyone [10:30] psydruid except for the rest of MAGMA [10:31] psydruid as if the world will come crashing down if they don't dominate everything [10:31] psydruid or at least try to [10:43] schestowitz-TR MAGMA :-) [10:43] schestowitz-TR I saw others using it [10:44] schestowitz-TR but you coined it [10:44] schestowitz-TR afaik [10:58] psydruid I did ● Dec 13 [11:02] schestowitz-TR GAFAM was made up by me and Assange [11:03] schestowitz-TR after some stupid european politicians said "GAFA" [11:18] psydruid with all these breaches and ransomware attacks you wonder for how long M$ will stay entrenched [11:19] psydruid any other company with their track record would have gone out of business a long time ago [11:20] *DaemonFC has quit (connection closed) ● Dec 13 [12:00] techrightssec2 There has been yet another corruption scandal in the EU Parliament. [12:00] techrightssec2 Considering that corruption is yet another threat to actual democracy, [12:00] techrightssec2 the same could be said of the corruption coming from and via the European [12:00] techrightssec2 Patent Office. [12:00] schestowitz-TR germany will defend it regardless [12:00] schestowitz-TR cash cow and all [12:01] techrightssec2 Yes, Germany's involvment there and its entanglement with M$ is part of the [12:01] techrightssec2 corruption pattern. [12:02] schestowitz-TR one word: munich [12:02] schestowitz-TR they even play off berlin bs munich [12:02] schestowitz-TR as hq [12:02] schestowitz-TR apropos bribes, see my latest 3 posts in TR [12:02] schestowitz-TR very dodgy [12:02] techrightssec2 One point to remember is that m$, and thus perhaps sw patents, is not a matter [12:02] techrightssec2 of technical decisions, but one of political decisions and specifically about [12:02] techrightssec2 control and surveillance a la CIA and NSA. [12:02] techrightssec2 checking [12:04] techrightssec2 gemini.techrights.org/2022/12/13/sirius-open-source-or-foxconn/ [12:04] techrightssec2 gemini.techrights.org/2022/12/12/era-of-virtual-company/ [12:04] techrightssec2 gemini.techrights.org/2022/12/12/sirius-open-source-living-wage/ [12:04] techrightssec2 ? [12:04] schestowitz-TR yes, the text should be sufficient [12:06] schestowitz-TR people who point out espionage aspects of "clown" computing are subjected to name-calling [12:06] schestowitz-TR even if they have a phd and a long track record researching this [12:07] schestowitz-TR also a former colleagu, treated similarly [12:07] schestowitz-TR along with his german partner [12:07] schestowitz-TR circa 2012 [12:07] schestowitz-TR he knoew about echelon and all [12:07] schestowitz-TR that was before nsa leaks and back when clown computing was still young [12:08] techrightssec2 Yep, ad hominen works despite being a logical fallacy, that's why microsoft's [12:08] techrightssec2 own Lennart Poettering used it as a backup to the appeal to novelty fallacy. [12:08] techrightssec2 He had nothing to offer except logical fallacies in regards to systemd. [12:09] mjg59_ Microsoft's actually at the forefront of making it possible to use Azure without having to trust Microsoft [12:09] schestowitz-TR lol [12:09] schestowitz-TR in my reading lists I still have some PDFs [12:10] schestowitz-TR but rarely a time to reopen, for now... [12:10] schestowitz-TR I still have 60,000+ unread comments in joindiaspora [12:10] schestowitz-TR in my email box (no need for the site to be online [12:10] schestowitz-TR social control media is like that [12:10] schestowitz-TR so anyway, I still have some WBer story about companies that cancel people as a service [12:10] schestowitz-TR but no hard evidence or material [12:10] schestowitz-TR just word of mouth from insider [12:19] psydruid Microsoft is at the forefront of stealing your data from Azure and using it for advertising [12:23] schestowitz-TR Microsoft is at the forefront of hiring phonies to do marketing for them [12:23] schestowitz-TR 'secure' boot [12:23] schestowitz-TR 'confidential' computing [12:23] schestowitz-TR pluton [12:23] schestowitz-TR azuresurveillance [12:23] schestowitz-TR asurveillance :-) [12:24] schestowitz-TR DoD: give MOAR money to MSFT [12:24] schestowitz-TR we LOVE this data-harvesting [12:24] schestowitz-TR also pop a 10,000,000,000 dollar bailout to Jeff bezos... as gratitude for "Alexa" [12:25] mjg59_ The entire point of this technology is that Microsoft (and anyone else who implements it) provides a service that they have no insight into [12:25] mjg59_ I do understand scepticism of that! But it would help a great deal if you could express that through technical criticism [12:26] schestowitz-TR if I didn't know you since a decade ago, I'd say we have a Microsoft shill in IRC now [12:26] mjg59_ Google and Amazon are in the process of deploying the same tech [12:26] schestowitz-TR two heads of the same HYDRA(TM) [12:26] mjg59_ It's not a Microsoft-only thing, they're just ahead in terms of implementation atm [12:26] mjg59_ But anyone else could build the same [12:27] schestowitz-TR I'm sure you'll promote illusion of "privacy" for them [12:27] schestowitz-TR because you did this before [12:27] schestowitz-TR and the media will go rah rah about clown "savings" [12:27] schestowitz-TR and "confidentiality" [12:27] mjg59_ AMD's SEV allows the creation of VMs that are secured by encryption keys that exist only in the CPU, not even visible to the hypervisor [12:27] schestowitz-TR "give us all your national health and patient records next" [12:27] schestowitz-TR GAFAM, Oracle, IBM [12:27] mjg59_ The contents of RAM are encrypted, the hypervisor can only see the encrypted content [12:28] schestowitz-TR you do not see the machines [12:28] schestowitz-TR you do not control the machines [12:28] schestowitz-TR you do not own the machine [12:28] mjg59_ And there's an attestation path that allows you to prove that they're in this state [12:28] schestowitz-TR you have NO control over what they do [12:28] mjg59_ So no, you don't see them, control them or own them [12:28] schestowitz-TR you do [12:28] schestowitz-TR for medical data for sure [12:28] schestowitz-TR anyway, I'm out [12:28] schestowitz-TR this is going nowhere [12:28] schestowitz-TR you promote NSA talking points [12:29] mjg59_ But if your VM attests to being in this state, the cloud provider has no ability to do anything to your VM other than just stop it running [12:29] mjg59_ They can't see the data in it [12:29] mjg59_ I'd recommend reading the spec! It's kind of complicated but worthwhile [12:31] mjg59_ You still need to trust AMD, but that would be true if you had AMD servers of your own [12:37] schestowitz-TR lol, home office seems to have opened duplicate files [12:37] schestowitz-TR not just double-charged [12:38] schestowitz-TR if they don't get very basic things right, then can you trust them for more critical things [12:38] schestowitz-TR like brexit or war politics? 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