IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: Monday, June 14, 2021

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schestowitz

generating the IRC and IPFS stuff right now. an irc netsplit caused an issue/delay

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TechrightsBN

Hello World! I'm TechrightsBN running phIRCe v0.75

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schestowitz

>>>> My diaspora timeline felt too sparse and quiet.

schestowitz

>>> There was a temporary issue, also with Twitter exports. Is it OK now?

schestowitz

>> It was, but... looks like it's failed again, for the past couple of

schestowitz

>> days or so.

schestowitz

> Sorry, false alarm, it was the diaspora pod I use that had stopped

schestowitz

> federating for some reason.

schestowitz

Ah, OK. I hope it all works now.

tr-bridge

[schestowitz/tr] OK, I THINK it all works now. I THINK. But it is worth double checking everything as I did manual runs. IRC netplits and disruption caused the job to freeze, at least I had a go at practising a manual run of the whole chain of scripts.

Jun 14 07:12

schestowitz

testing. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27497168

Jun 14 07:29

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-news.ycombinator.com | Having followed this all a little too much (with a big bowl of popcorn), I must ... | Hacker News

Jun 14 07:29

tr-bridge

[schestowitz/tr] <li>

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[schestowitz/tr] <h5><a href="https://www.aboutchromebooks.com/news/linux-on-chromebooks-just-might-get-me-through-a-masters-in-computer-science/">Linux on Chromebooks just might get me through a Masters in Computer Science</a></h5>

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 404 @ https://www.aboutchromebooks.com/news/linux-on-chromebooks-just-might-get-me-through-a-masters-in-computer-science/">Linux )

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[schestowitz/tr] <blockquote>

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[schestowitz/tr] <p>I’m considering this for two reasons. </p>

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[schestowitz/tr] <p> First, I’m on a budget and would prefer not to buy a new computer just for the Masters program. </p>

tr-bridge

[schestowitz/tr] <p> Second, I want to see how far Linux on Chromebooks can take me down this path. I realize that most Chromebook owners aren’t walking this path with me. (Although if you are pursuing a Masters in Computer Science, let me know!) But this could show many people that the ability to run Linux apps on a Chromebook is more useful and powerful than they might think. </p></blockquote></li>

1. https://www.rcrwireless.com/20200923/business/microsoft-buys-bethesda-games-bolstering-its-cloud-gaming-lineup

schestowitz

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.rcrwireless.com | Microsoft buys Bethesda games, bolstering its cloud gaming lineup

2. https://www.rcrwireless.com/20200923/business/microsoft-buys-bethesda-games-bolstering-its-cloud-gaming-lineup

schestowitz

schestowitz

# "leak" == marketing, in this case

x https://sitereport.netcraft.com/?url=https://apisprotect.com/

schestowitz

Jun 14 10:08

schestowitz

# :(

Jun 14 10:08

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-sitereport.netcraft.com | Site report for https://apisprotect.com | Netcraft

Jun 14 10:08

tr-bridge

[Techrights-sec/tr] In the May 31st conversation in Brazil with RMS, he kind of wanders rather

tr-bridge

[Techrights-sec/tr] far out during the Q&A. Perhaps it is not so appropriate to get

tr-bridge

[Techrights-sec/tr] a transcript?

tr-bridge

[Techrights-sec/tr] And instead just leave it as audio/video?

schestowitz

I know exactly what you mean. There are things more worthy of turning into text. yesterday IRC was hectic and truly exhausting on many levels... I barely found time to do articles

tr-bridge

[schestowitz/tr] headsup on IRC change, 1:30pm http://techrights.org/irc

Jun 14 13:32

tr-bridge

[schestowitz/tr] 12:25 in those logs (not BST)

Jun 14 13:33

tr-bridge

[Techrights-sec/tr] ack

Jun 14 13:33

tr-bridge

[Techrights-sec/tr] reading

Jun 14 13:33

tr-bridge

[Techrights-sec/tr] ok IP address change should be schedule so that the DNS TTL is shortened

Jun 14 13:35

tr-bridge

[schestowitz/tr] I don't know how exactly to do this, I just think lower it, change, then afterwards take that back up, maybe hours later?

Jun 14 13:35

tr-bridge

[Techrights-sec/tr] I presume TR, TM, and HV will all move to new IPv4 addresses at the same

Jun 14 13:41

tr-bridge

[Techrights-sec/tr] time?

Jun 14 13:41

schestowitz

Suffice to say (in 2021 it should be obvious), you cannot judge a distro's popularity or userbase just based on number of downloads. Nowadays some companies download it once, then deploy it to thousands of machines or millions of devices, then sell those devices.

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schestowitz

I did not get disconnected and the last line I saw was "I presume TR, TM, and HV will all move to new IPv4 addresses at the same"

Jun 14 16:06

tr-bridge

[Techrights-sec/tr] that was the main part. though irc.techrights.org has an IPv4 address too

Jun 14 16:07

tr-bridge

[Techrights-sec/tr] If there is a changeover date, it'll be easy to wind the TTL down

Jun 14 16:07

tr-bridge

[Techrights-sec/tr] once the move is made to put it back to normal

Jun 14 16:08

schestowitz

yes, I have forwarded that already to kaniini in the main channel. My question was, did I miss something in ytalk after that line (impending followup)? I just saw a clear ytalk session after that

Jun 14 16:08

tr-bridge

[Techrights-sec/tr] "last" on this machine shows you got disconnecte at 14:16 UTC

schestowitz

This connection/link was always glitchy for reasons unknown to me, it would re-establish the SSH link maybe 10 times per day

tr-bridge

[Techrights-sec/tr] there was a bit of my own chatter about OT stuff

schestowitz

I saw all the stuff about flowers

tr-bridge

[Techrights-sec/tr] strange

Jun 14 16:11

schestowitz

I would have brought it up earlier (months ago), but I assume you could notice this too, it's like there's a disconnection after idling or something and it would not reconnect until timeout maybe 30 mins later

Jun 14 16:12

tr-bridge

[Techrights-sec/tr] I noticed it but scripted around it. Do you have ServerAliveCountMax

Jun 14 16:14

tr-bridge

[Techrights-sec/tr] and ServerAliveInterval set in ~/.ssh/config for your client?

Jun 14 16:14

schestowitz

probably not, I also noticed that idle connection to TR/TM from this box would time out after a while unless I run something in it

Jun 14 16:14

tr-bridge

[Techrights-sec/tr] The server does not do heartbeat to check the clients. I suppose I could turn that on.

Jun 14 16:15

tr-bridge

[Techrights-sec/tr] Probably a good idea then to use ServerAliveCountMax and ServerAliveInterval

Jun 14 16:15

tr-bridge

[Techrights-sec/tr] for those connections.

Jun 14 16:15

schestowitz

Host *

Jun 14 16:18

schestowitz

ServerAliveInterval 300

Jun 14 16:18

schestowitz

ServerAliveCountMax 2

Jun 14 16:18

tr-bridge

[Techrights-sec/tr] there may be lightning here tomorrow. If so, I may have to power down for a

tr-bridge

[Techrights-sec/tr] while, but the forecasts are so unreliable that who actually knows.

tr-bridge

[Techrights-sec/tr] When I used to be outside all the time, I could predict the weather a

tr-bridge

[Techrights-sec/tr] week in advance far more accurately that the current service here does it/

tr-bridge

[Techrights-sec/tr] Probably better with ServerAliveInterval 30 or so and ServerAliveCountMax 3 to 5

tr-bridge

[Techrights-sec/tr] see ssh_config(5)

tr-bridge

[Techrights-sec/tr] The former controls how often the heartbeat is sent, the latter

tr-bridge

[Techrights-sec/tr] controls how many times in a row it can go missing before the session

tr-bridge

[Techrights-sec/tr] disconnects. It will keep the session from disconnecting from idling

tr-bridge

[Techrights-sec/tr] and thus timing out. It will also disconnect the session much faster

tr-bridge

[Techrights-sec/tr] when the connection really is broken. T1;2A1;2A1;2AAAAAhen tmux is needed.

schestowitz

thanks, we will know if this sticks

tr-bridge

[Techrights-sec/tr] If you put it in at the end of ~/.ssh/config for that client, use the wild

tr-bridge

[Techrights-sec/tr] card:

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[Techrights-sec/tr] Host *

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[Techrights-sec/tr] ServerAliveCountMax 3

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[Techrights-sec/tr] ServerAliveInterval 60

tr-bridge

[Techrights-sec/tr] If you assign those to more specific patterns or individual hosts even then

tr-bridge

[Techrights-sec/tr] put them higher up. The config file is first-match so specifics ought to

tr-bridge

[Techrights-sec/tr] go first and generalities last and everything else on the scale in the middle.