●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Tuesday, June 14, 2022 ●● ● Jun 14 [01:42] *Despatche has quit (Quit: Read error: Connection reset by deer) ● Jun 14 [03:16] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [03:16] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [03:22] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [03:22] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@5tcc2vuaj9aks.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jun 14 [06:34] *DaemonFC has quit (connection closed) [06:49] *Despatche (~desp@u3xy9z2ifjzci.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jun 14 [07:33] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [07:35] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jun 14 [08:15] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [08:15] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [08:38] schestowitz-TR only automated links today or an accient? [08:38] schestowitz-TR I've just restarted httpd on TM, it was not responding for at least half an hour [08:39] Techrights-sec2 checking [08:39] Techrights-sec2 error. the manual links got folded into yesterday's manual links if I read [08:39] Techrights-sec2 the metadata correctly [08:46] schestowitz-TR regarding links, what to do? [08:46] schestowitz-TR regarding TM: I see it was down for almost 2 hours, but at least not very busy times [08:54] Techrights-sec2 not sure, but there are only 28 links from yesterday's file and 1 from today's [08:54] Techrights-sec2 1~07:32 tux machines We failed to reach a server. [08:54] Techrights-sec2 :/ a bug in the monitor script here [08:54] Techrights-sec2 no lights / buzzer [08:54] Techrights-sec2 tux machines 13:44, tux machines 04:18, tux machines 05:40 ● Jun 14 [09:10] Techrights-sec2 according to the limited logs here, TM was not unvailable for the entire [09:10] Techrights-sec2 interval but only parts of it, however it is likely that performace was [09:10] Techrights-sec2 degraded the whole interval [09:10] Techrights-sec2 also found a loose cable here [09:12] schestowitz-TR I can catch it fast if I am awake [09:12] schestowitz-TR btw, how to best deal with the links? I've begun going through the automated ones [09:12] Techrights-sec2 I would say diff the one from yesterday as it is currently on the server [09:12] Techrights-sec2 versus the one you have there [09:39] schestowitz-TR OK, so I went to the server, got the 13-06 file [09:39] schestowitz-TR all the links in there were already posted yesterday, I checked one by one [09:39] schestowitz-TR so if you added any more, I'm not seeing them [09:39] schestowitz-TR maybe I am not following your instructions correctly ● Jun 14 [10:38] Techrights-sec2 not sure, I thought I added quite a few but see only the one in today's [10:38] Techrights-sec2 manual links [10:38] Techrights-sec2 oh well [10:39] schestowitz-TR what I got was about 6 "other links", the automated section, and nothing at the top, just "error 1" or something to that effect [10:39] schestowitz-TR if we can resurrect lost editing work, great. If not, OK. But I just wanted to explain what I got at my end and I did [10:39] schestowitz-TR check the server again. [10:40] Techrights-sec2 there should be 28 manual links [10:40] Techrights-sec2 I hope this is not a bug in the process / scripting [10:40] Techrights-sec2 that's correct [10:40] Techrights-sec2 hmm. Let me check again. [10:40] Techrights-sec2 there should be 28 manual links [10:40] Techrights-sec2 I hope this is not a bug in the process / scripting [10:41] schestowitz-TR yesterday'a (13-06) file had over 20, those were already added yesterday morning [10:41] schestowitz-TR today's (14) have some error message at the top, then automated starts [10:41] Techrights-sec2 It says '1 error" [10:41] Techrights-sec2 checking ... [10:42] schestowitz-TR thanks, yes, that's what I saw. I assume there's an input file for that part and maybe it can be salvaged. [10:46] schestowitz-TR off-topic rant: when I read news links about inequality and then patents, esp. on vaccines, I am reacting more strongly [10:46] schestowitz-TR than all this insurrection stuff. The latter is a national issue -- in a place I long ago gave up on [10:46] schestowitz-TR maybe one day we'll be back to covering patent issues more closely, but at the moment the press treats it like something not to [10:46] schestowitz-TR even be questioned and therefore it's difficult to find any real, authentic journalism on the msatter [10:51] schestowitz-TR I relative terms you and I are quite young, still, so have several decades left to tackle these issues [10:51] schestowitz-TR I think the attacks on the Internet are very disturbing atm, inc. dns [10:51] schestowitz-TR health is a relative thing [10:51] schestowitz-TR I'm not in perfect shape [10:51] schestowitz-TR but the body responds positively to high spirits [10:51] schestowitz-TR [(low stress etc., determination) [10:51] Techrights-sec2 found the error(s), [10:51] Techrights-sec2 re-uploading (but will have to track down the second of the two errors) [10:51] Techrights-sec2 perhaps [10:53] Techrights-sec2 it's not so much an error as an edge case brought on by some changes not that [10:53] Techrights-sec2 long ago [10:55] schestowitz-TR in my latest commit there's an 'edge case' where the last time gemini server reboot happens on first of the month [10:55] schestowitz-TR in which case the stats page may show month name before the line with the uptime stats [10:55] schestowitz-TR which is not a big deal, nor is it likely to happen a lot [10:55] schestowitz-TR because it scans for MM-DD [10:55] schestowitz-TR edge cases are best off detected and tackled if each repeated occurrance leads to a lot of head-scratching [10:55] schestowitz-TR if they are well known and understood, less head-scratching ;-) ● Jun 14 [11:01] schestowitz-TR clarification needed: seems like in latest uploaded file there are the automated links [11:02] schestowitz-TR and then again the automated links for (? I think ?) same "so far today" [11:02] schestowitz-TR as if it was reraun and then retrieve links that would otherwise be included in tomorrow's batch [11:02] schestowitz-TR iow, everything after line 647 will repeat itself tomorrow? [11:02] Techrights-sec2 in a POSIX shell, if an element of a pipe files, nothing happens even when -e [11:02] Techrights-sec2 is set [11:02] Techrights-sec2 :( [11:03] schestowitz-TR for now I will just focus on the manually curated part and then posy the first batch ot today, yesterday we posted an all-time [11:03] schestowitz-TR record of five [11:13] Techrights-sec2 already using tmp files, what's one more :/ [11:13] Techrights-sec2 ok it shold be fixed, thanks for spotting the bug, it was well hidden [11:15] schestowitz-TR I am using the file uploaded about an hour ago to grab and fuse in those ~28 links [11:15] schestowitz-TR some more manual work required, but a lot less than it takes to find and organise sduch links in the first place [11:15] schestowitz-TR I'm still tyring to get used to the new routine [11:15] schestowitz-TR and hopefully post around a dozen posts per day [11:15] schestowitz-TR (it is only difficult because of 4.6 shifts at work per week, might change soon) [11:15] Techrights-sec2 a new merged file has been uploded [11:15] Techrights-sec2 ^uploaded [11:16] schestowitz-TR I already cleaned the file, which lacked the curated stuff, prior to you fixing the bug, so afaik all that was missing: the first part [11:17] schestowitz-TR victim-blaming comes in many forms [11:22] Techrights-sec2 ack [11:22] Techrights-sec2 yep [11:22] schestowitz-TR you are "winning" [sic] when there is widespread understanding that certain lies are just lies, such as "WoMD in Iraq" or "patents" as surrogate [11:22] schestowitz-TR for "innovation" [11:22] schestowitz-TR nobody takes this shirt seriously, certainly not patent examiners [11:22] schestowitz-TR *this shit [11:22] schestowitz-TR they say so themselves [11:22] schestowitz-TR and they also don't buy the bullishit about "S.A.P." -- lowering salaries while the banks... I mean PATENT OFFICE< nets more money than ever [11:24] schestowitz-TR expect epo examiners to prolong the industrial action until next year [11:24] schestowitz-TR now they survey for consent from staff [11:24] schestowitz-TR they refuse to be rubber-stamping operators [11:24] schestowitz-TR this is GOOD [11:24] schestowitz-TR I hope USPTO will follow [11:24] schestowitz-TR but US is a union-busting beast [11:24] schestowitz-TR and afaik, uspto workers have no union [11:33] Techrights-sec2 I wish them very much success in their actions to clean up the office [11:33] schestowitz-TR another point which imho we should get across [11:33] schestowitz-TR is that a lot of tech is riding "defence" budget or "oil" or similar [11:33] schestowitz-TR and that those companies are not doing as well as they claim [11:33] schestowitz-TR and their platforms are bubbles [11:33] schestowitz-TR looking to do something to us [11:33] schestowitz-TR oracle is alsom trying to latch onto medical data now [11:33] schestowitz-TR you saw it about the same time I did, different articles [11:33] schestowitz-TR bail us out (they don't say that, not like this) or "PEOPLE WILL DIE" [11:35] Techrights-sec2 that is true but there is also a lot of corporate rot in general [11:35] Techrights-sec2 see the SN comment in other links from today about what has happened to [11:35] Techrights-sec2 the kernel [11:35] Techrights-sec2 https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/eat_the_seed_corn [11:35] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-en.wiktionary.org | eat the seed corn - Wiktionary [11:35] Techrights-sec2 https://www.ruleoneinvesting.com/blog/retirement-planning/dont-eat-the-seed-corn/ [11:35] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.ruleoneinvesting.com | Don't Eat the Seed Corn [11:35] Techrights-sec2 two decades ago there was an easy transition into development for those [11:35] Techrights-sec2 with the aptitude and interest, the skills and knowledge were easy to [11:35] Techrights-sec2 pick up. The skills through college, the knowledge through, among other methods, books. Now colleges teach nothing relevant to applied computer science [11:35] Techrights-sec2 and books on the topic seem to have ceased production. [11:35] Techrights-sec2 For several reasons the investment in the future has ceased, in regards to [11:35] Techrights-sec2 the computing industry [11:35] Techrights-sec2 universities no longer point the way but now follow industry which is now [11:35] Techrights-sec2 relegated to chasing its own tail. [11:35] Techrights-sec2 bailouts instead of investments; rot instead of growth [11:36] schestowitz-TR this is visible, or in plain sight, in the syllabus [11:36] schestowitz-TR I wonder if this is a topic we should cover at some point [11:36] schestowitz-TR it's more of an education topic, before the rise of "EdTECH" and other BS buzzwords [11:37] schestowitz-TR like rootkits (procotoring) [11:37] Techrights-sec2 yep [11:37] Techrights-sec2 it was covered by Andy a bit; it's partially about education but also about [11:37] Techrights-sec2 control and specifically control through ICT; [11:37] Techrights-sec2 edtech is more M$ entrenching itself as quickly and deeply as it can to [11:37] Techrights-sec2 the exclusion of all real tech [11:39] schestowitz-TR in my experience, a lot of [x]Tech is buzzwording for software partebts [11:39] schestowitz-TR medtech [11:39] schestowitz-TR adtech [11:39] schestowitz-TR fintech [11:39] schestowitz-TR they don't want to say what their supposed "innovation" actually is [11:39] schestowitz-TR and compensate using novelty-like-sounding crap [11:43] schestowitz-TR --- [11:43] schestowitz-TR based on what I know from rianne's dad (chemist), this phenomenon is not limited to CS/IT [11:43] schestowitz-TR sadly, we you see in EPO, shit floats [11:43] schestowitz-TR and one way to tackle this is to illuminate that shit [11:43] schestowitz-TR and hope it'll turn around [11:43] schestowitz-TR anything, however little, you can do to illuminate this shit [11:43] schestowitz-TR and hopefully get other people to do the same with you [11:43] schestowitz-TR will be a litte step in the right direction [11:43] schestowitz-TR but it's a long war, like upc [11:43] schestowitz-TR we've won many battles already [11:43] Techrights-sec2 ack [11:45] schestowitz-TR to keep in mind always: the ones you fight WILL NEVER ADMIT WHEN THEY LOSE [11:45] schestowitz-TR (this is strategic, so keep your own score, and maybe see the noccasional temper breakdown, as a sign of the score) [11:45] schestowitz-TR see the title of the latest TR post [11:45] schestowitz-TR bing is a dead end [11:45] schestowitz-TR now they attack people's PCs [11:45] schestowitz-TR DDG (Bing proxy) was exposed recently [11:45] schestowitz-TR I imagine many users are fleeing [11:45] schestowitz-TR word of mouth [11:45] Techrights-sec2 ack [11:45] Techrights-sec2 bing was always only ever DOA [11:46] schestowitz-TR they spent money (funny money) buying companies for 'seatchTech' and sank a lot into lobbying [11:46] schestowitz-TR with revenue sstrerams drying up in the cash cows I suppose they'll pull some plugs soon [11:58] Techrights-sec2 faking growth through purchases is a common trick [11:58] schestowitz-TR with gulag so dominant for 20+ years no real innovation in search [11:58] schestowitz-TR other than the BS that is "voice search" [11:58] schestowitz-TR where you can barely digrest the results of the search [11:58] schestowitz-TR hence missing the point [11:58] schestowitz-TR it might be OK for people who lack both arm [11:58] schestowitz-TR for that they already had GUI framworks that do speech-to-text [11:59] Techrights-sec2 the voice search is almost certainly a front for the excuse to leave the [11:59] Techrights-sec2 microphone on and streaming 24/ [11:59] Techrights-sec2 24/7 [11:59] Techrights-sec2 the voice search is almost certainly a front for the excuse to leave the [11:59] Techrights-sec2 microphone on and streaming 24/ [11:59] Techrights-sec2 24/7 ● Jun 14 [12:00] schestowitz-TR this is the direction they've taken for a while [12:00] schestowitz-TR is it just my weird imagination or did you type CIA and then backtrack and delete that? [12:00] Techrights-sec2 imagination AFAIK [12:05] schestowitz-TR maybe I saw the word "front" and 'auto-completed' in my head [12:05] schestowitz-TR anyway, Gulag Maps serves similar interests since its inception [12:05] schestowitz-TR and there are interfaces for real-time access by intelligence agencies [12:05] schestowitz-TR based on NY Times report from about 15 years ago [12:05] schestowitz-TR they "target" certain users of it [12:05] schestowitz-TR but nowadays I suppose they log everything everyone does there [12:05] schestowitz-TR same for search phases [12:05] schestowitz-TR as you see in the case of Vault7 [12:05] schestowitz-TR where they pull search phases from like a decade earlier [12:05] schestowitz-TR you probably would not even remember if you did or did not search for such things [12:05] schestowitz-TR search phases say a lot more about you than a browsing history [12:05] schestowitz-TR because one is more proative [12:05] schestowitz-TR akim to mind reading [12:05] schestowitz-TR expression rather than mere absorption [12:05] schestowitz-TR you have mentiuoned "streaming 24/7" [12:05] schestowitz-TR this already happens with all "phones" [12:05] schestowitz-TR but they stream locatin data [12:05] schestowitz-TR in the uk, the carriers must collect and retain such data [12:05] schestowitz-TR if the retention has time limits, then periodically offload to GCHQ [12:05] schestowitz-TR that's why I would not carry such a device [12:05] schestowitz-TR that says more about you than browsing history [12:06] schestowitz-TR same for a list of iterms you purchase inc. food [12:06] Techrights-sec2 yes those too [12:06] Techrights-sec2 they can also /very/ easily buffer sound recordings and send them [12:08] schestowitz-TR they do buffer and send later [12:08] schestowitz-TR but I forgot the source [12:08] schestowitz-TR like mic on if you turn connection off [12:09] schestowitz-TR broadcast later [12:09] schestowitz-TR with malware (official) or without it [12:09] schestowitz-TR some phones get updated (cracked) remotely by the state [12:09] schestowitz-TR so any missing behaviour can be added on demand [12:09] schestowitz-TR baltic politicians are expressing concern about POTENTIAL feature (off by default) for censoring particular speeh [12:09] schestowitz-TR for china, for now... [12:09] schestowitz-TR maybe they will; '180' is China offers to turn that on for the "national security" interest of suppressing pro-Putin voices [12:09] Techrights-sec2 yes those too [12:09] Techrights-sec2 they can also /very/ easily buffer sound recordings and send them [12:09] Techrights-sec2 those are tag teamed via "loyalty cards" and credit/debit cards [12:09] Techrights-sec2 between the two they know down to a penny what you have spent and on what [12:09] Techrights-sec2 ack [12:11] schestowitz-TR I've long called those "discount" cards a penlaty for privacy [12:11] schestowitz-TR and I shun shops that have such cards [12:11] schestowitz-TR they literally charge me more just for not giving away my ID [12:11] schestowitz-TR the hard part is getting more people to understand that [12:11] schestowitz-TR I explained to their staff [12:11] schestowitz-TR but too afraid to get sacked, they would not even nod or acknowledge the issue [12:11] Techrights-sec2 yep [12:12] Techrights-sec2 yes those too [12:12] Techrights-sec2 they can also /very/ easily buffer sound recordings and send them [12:12] Techrights-sec2 / upload them in bursts, the only question is do they do that yet [12:12] schestowitz-TR the staff probably aren't even allowed to talk about any subject let alone that [12:12] schestowitz-TR one [12:14] Techrights-sec2 the staff probably aren't even allowed to talk about any subject let alone that [12:14] Techrights-sec2 one [12:14] schestowitz-TR it is the "minimum salary NDA" [12:14] schestowitz-TR or non-dis. clause [12:14] schestowitz-TR "you get paid, shut up" = van de beld, ECMA (about Microsoft OOXML) [12:14] schestowitz-TR this is how masters want their slaves to behave [12:15] Techrights-sec2 something like that [12:15] Techrights-sec2 NDAs are being piggybacked into pretty much every employment contract in [12:15] Techrights-sec2 some countries [12:15] Techrights-sec2 Yes, it's about slavery, wage slavery in this case but slavery nonetheless [12:16] schestowitz-TR mitchell mentioned the microsoft nda the other day [12:16] schestowitz-TR you would not see it in gemini [12:16] schestowitz-TR but he got burned by bishop the microsoft "asset" [12:16] schestowitz-TR and the nda was pretext for firing [12:16] schestowitz-TR even though he said the truth [12:17] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2022/06/11/geekwire-doxing/ [12:17] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | GeekWire and Todd Bishop: Doxing for Microsoft | Techrights [12:17] Techrights-sec2 ack [12:18] schestowitz-TR NDA should go somewhere in a chrt of threats [12:18] schestowitz-TR non-disclosure AND non-'disparagement' (like, hmm... reporting a CRIME?) [12:18] Techrights-sec2 bishop reads like a weasel there [12:18] Techrights-sec2 yes both [12:21] schestowitz-TR his message was "unread"... for 5 years ;-) [12:21] schestowitz-TR liars can lie with a sense of sincerity [12:21] schestowitz-TR I have a boss like this [12:21] schestowitz-TR we call hi m "TheLiar" [12:21] schestowitz-TR he keeps pretending not to see certain emails [12:21] schestowitz-TR and then makes up some bullshit excuses about spam filters [12:21] schestowitz-TR and then refuting these excuses [12:21] schestowitz-TR so cannot even keep a version of the fair tale consistent [12:21] schestowitz-TR and you still need to work with people like this [12:21] schestowitz-TR the thing is, since 2018 we've not worked for them, we "milked them" [12:21] schestowitz-TR after how SarinGas treated staff [12:21] schestowitz-TR the morale got so low that no wondrer we ended up like this [12:22] Techrights-sec2 any followup on this: [12:22] Techrights-sec2 https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/25/22995144/microsoft-foreign-corrupt-practices-bribery-whistleblower-contracting [12:22] Techrights-sec2 depleting the institution was her unspoken goal [12:22] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.theverge.com | Microsoft is tied to hundreds of millions of dollars in foreign bribes, whistleblower alleges - The Verge [12:23] schestowitz-TR nop follow-up, let alone any investigation [12:23] schestowitz-TR crime pays off [12:23] schestowitz-TR welcome to Earth [12:23] schestowitz-TR you can participate in the crimes, feel a little guilty [12:23] schestowitz-TR but "shut up, you get paid" -ECMA [12:25] Techrights-sec2 more and more, apparently [12:27] schestowitz-TR security as add-on [12:27] schestowitz-TR phone without charger [12:27] schestowitz-TR car with missing components, because "supply chain" [12:33] Techrights-sec2 ack [12:34] schestowitz-TR work without pension [12:34] schestowitz-TR contract with 6-month terms [12:34] schestowitz-TR job without career advancement route [12:34] schestowitz-TR gee, I wonder where all that surplus goes to... [12:34] Techrights-sec2 and zero-hour contracts [12:35] schestowitz-TR now it has a catchy name, or overlapping concept, the "gig" "economy" [12:41] Techrights-sec2 dead link: http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20070919214307459&query=tridgell+won [12:41] Techrights-sec2 oops, this one works: http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20070919214307459 [12:41] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 404 @ http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20070919214307459&query=tridgell+won ) [12:41] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.groklaw.net | Groklaw - Want to meet four men who dared to fight MS -- and won? [12:46] schestowitz-TR I have not heard of him in years [12:46] schestowitz-TR a few years ago he got some special honours in his country [12:46] schestowitz-TR dr. ... [12:46] schestowitz-TR and some medal, iirc, for his work [12:46] schestowitz-TR but I hardly see him anywhere in Linux circles [12:46] schestowitz-TR not sure why [12:46] schestowitz-TR alan cox sort of vanished some time after his partner had died [12:46] schestowitz-TR not sure why either [12:46] schestowitz-TR he was at intel for a bit [12:46] schestowitz-TR and that was it [12:46] schestowitz-TR the aussie (not california) andrew mortom is still there, but eerily quite [12:46] schestowitz-TR *quite [12:46] schestowitz-TR same for tso, but I still see him in the mailing lists and in events sometimes [12:46] Techrights-sec2 ack [12:46] Techrights-sec2 CoC [12:46] Techrights-sec2 ack [12:46] Techrights-sec2 he's been severely marginalized and the microsofters seem to be calling the [12:46] Techrights-sec2 shots [12:46] schestowitz-TR norbert got in trouble for merely defending tso from an unproductive bully [12:46] schestowitz-TR LT is still there, active but not very visible, standing on his last foot... and a very thin pair of legs [12:46] schestowitz-TR I did show that his legs were rather above normal with muscle tissue just a couple of decades ago [12:48] schestowitz-TR vmware is also microsofters [12:48] schestowitz-TR they took over the management tied over a decade ago [12:48] schestowitz-TR and then violated the GPL, too, according to an insider [12:48] schestowitz-TR not the "the media" would say that [12:48] schestowitz-TR that would be metaphorically like kicking a puppy [12:48] schestowitz-TR (and an advertiser... shuit up you are being paid!) [12:48] Techrights-sec2 ack [12:48] schestowitz-TR I got everything up to [12:48] schestowitz-TR "shots [12:48] schestowitz-TR ack" [12:48] schestowitz-TR just about... [12:48] Techrights-sec2 that was it [12:49] schestowitz-TR ok, I will get on witn links/articles, thanks for the chat ● Jun 14 [13:01] schestowitz-TR Joys of parenting... https://robertheaton.com/soon-he-ll-be/ [13:01] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-robertheaton.com | Soon hell be three and soon hell be twenty-one | Robert Heaton [13:15] Techrights-sec2 np [13:18] schestowitz-TR Gulag is wearing the "Mozilla" robe https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/calling-for-antitrust-reform/ "It is true that companies like Apple and Google offer key privacy features"??????????????????? WHAT? [13:18] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-blog.mozilla.org | Call for Antitrust Reform, Updated Competition Laws [13:28] Techrights-sec2 ack [13:28] Techrights-sec2 s/robe/skinsuit/ [13:28] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [13:28] *psydroid2 has quit (connection closed) [13:32] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jun 14 [15:41] *psydroid2 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [15:51] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jun 14 [16:53] schestowitz-TR amazing [16:53] schestowitz-TR I went to Gulag Noise [16:53] schestowitz-TR did a search [16:53] schestowitz-TR got 0 items of any use [16:53] schestowitz-TR all I got was Microsoft site andti-Linux venom [16:53] schestowitz-TR so in essense affirming that the only "contribution" of Gulag Noise to "Linux" is negative in that area ● Jun 14 [17:07] Techrights-sec2 as you see there is a lot of anti-linux spam [17:07] Techrights-sec2 unfortunately Google brings it to the forefront with its algorithms [17:07] Techrights-sec2 https://web.archive.org/web/20100412103546/https://google.com/bsd/ [17:07] Techrights-sec2 https://web.archive.org/web/20110514040546/http://www.google.com/linux [17:07] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-web.archive.org | - Google Search [17:07] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-web.archive.org | - Google Search [17:07] schestowitz-TR I remember those pages and mentioned it ina video the other day [17:07] Techrights-sec2 Google stopped being a useful service a long time ago and is now about [17:07] Techrights-sec2 manipulation of public opinion [17:09] schestowitz-TR the way gulag implemented chromeOS was in some ways worse than Windoiws [17:09] schestowitz-TR technically and login sense [17:09] schestowitz-TR of course Microsot copied that later [17:12] schestowitz-TR peopple arew meant to feel like guests on their own machines [17:12] schestowitz-TR which I suppose is the "lab" mentality [17:12] schestowitz-TR like computer lab [17:12] schestowitz-TR when you pass a machine arounda [17:12] schestowitz-TR and each person logs in with some roaming profile [17:12] schestowitz-TR but if they raise kids to think of computing that way, then we have lots of re-training to do [17:12] Techrights-sec2 ack [17:12] Techrights-sec2 re-training won't work, look at how hard it is to overcome the brain damage [17:12] Techrights-sec2 that initial exposure to M$ at an early age causes, it may not be physical [17:12] Techrights-sec2 damage but the logic and functioning of the brain is permanently and irrevocably [17:12] Techrights-sec2 impaired [17:14] schestowitz-TR fsf must have said something about this, but maybe not enough [17:14] schestowitz-TR also, afaik gulag was a big sponsor several times in the past decade [17:14] schestowitz-TR i know rms said a lot about gulag [17:14] schestowitz-TR but when I met him he refused to say anything very strong about them [17:14] schestowitz-TR I guess he memorises the "patrons" page ;-) [17:15] Techrights-sec2 that's why the "M$ First" strategy has been both so important to microsofters [17:15] Techrights-sec2 and so heavily emphasized [17:15] Techrights-sec2 It's not just about "being comfortable" with what is used first, it is about [17:15] Techrights-sec2 impairing the ability to work and think logically [17:15] Techrights-sec2 ... permanently [17:15] Techrights-sec2 :/ [17:17] schestowitz-TR i wonder how hard it is to dual boot/wipe/install cruoton on new chromebooks [17:17] schestowitz-TR also, in canada and taiwan gnu/linux share rose sharply, not even counting chromeOS [17:17] schestowitz-TR but maybe we need to write more about the chrome/chromeos minset [17:17] schestowitz-TR I know a bit about chromeos, but my knowledge of it is outdated (machines ollder than 5 years) [17:17] Techrights-sec2 it is the leasing model applied to destkops / laptops [17:18] Techrights-sec2 https://mrchromebox.tech/ [17:18] Techrights-sec2 check the list of supported devices. it is short in regards to recent hardware [17:18] Techrights-sec2 https://mrchromebox.tech/static/devices.html [17:18] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-MrChromebox.tech [17:18] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-mrchromebox.tech | Supported Devices [17:18] Techrights-sec2 as 'Full ROM' goes ... [17:20] schestowitz-TR OK, so Gulag has veered off in its own direction [17:20] schestowitz-TR the "open" system mentality will go away in due course [17:20] schestowitz-TR years ago you already have to open up the laptop and mess around with soldered in screwed [17:20] schestowitz-TR *screws [17:21] Techrights-sec2 and in veering off, they are trying to take as much away with them as possible [17:21] Techrights-sec2 notably e-mail :/ [17:21] Techrights-sec2 there is a glimmer of hope there related to the 'Right to Repair' movement [17:21] Techrights-sec2 but they are not cognizant of Software Freedom per se [17:22] schestowitz-TR Windows is collapsing [17:22] schestowitz-TR you might say, "get out of here" [17:22] schestowitz-TR but a lot of people I know barely use a laptop or do not bother buying one [17:22] schestowitz-TR it would be wrong to ignore those other issues UNTIL Windows is like 9% of the market [17:22] schestowitz-TR it would be too late [17:23] Techrights-sec2 yes but now they've taken it further and soldered in the hard drive [17:23] Techrights-sec2 most fiddle with a smartphone for half an hour rather than complete the same [17:23] Techrights-sec2 task in 5 minutes on a laptop or desktop [17:23] Techrights-sec2 that's one of the reasons it is quite good (and important) that system76 [17:23] Techrights-sec2 is opening up shop in the EU [17:24] schestowitz-TR I thought about doing article/video about 5 or so people I know for sure they bribed for "reviews" [17:24] schestowitz-TR 3 in youtube [17:24] schestowitz-TR 2 in linux news sites [17:24] schestowitz-TR I have reservations as they are not an evil company, it might be hp's idea, and that [17:24] schestowitz-TR distracts from microsoft doing even worse things all the time [17:24] schestowitz-TR thoughts? [17:42] Techrights-sec2 checking [17:42] Techrights-sec2 which 5 or so people? [17:42] Techrights-sec2 bribing them for reviews is an effective way of getting them out of the way [17:42] Techrights-sec2 by wiping their reputation [17:42] Techrights-sec2 and Gardiner, as one example, has not produced anything interesting or even [17:42] Techrights-sec2 noteworthy since selling out [17:42] schestowitz-TR iirc, gardiner, linux expoeriment (yes, he was banned for it before), maybe learn linux tv, larabel, and liam dawe [17:44] Techrights-sec2 I suspect the theme is that M$ and the powers backing it continue to wish to [17:44] Techrights-sec2 prevent the public from getting a taste of GNU/Linux by any and all means [17:44] Techrights-sec2 they can [17:45] schestowitz-TR this is different. [17:45] schestowitz-TR around 2009 HP tried making its own distro [17:45] schestowitz-TR months ago HP was pushing WSL [17:45] schestowitz-TR then then got some grip on system76 [17:45] schestowitz-TR I don't know the nature of their agreement [17:45] schestowitz-TR like how they split revenue [17:47] schestowitz-TR at one point ms peters (now Microsoft) shilled for them [17:47] schestowitz-TR and bill hilf was a manager there [17:47] schestowitz-TR also, stephen walli goes back and forth [17:47] schestowitz-TR HP is not an ally [17:48] Techrights-sec2 that includes subverting and destroying the distros and changing them [17:48] Techrights-sec2 into Windoze-like experiences [17:48] Techrights-sec2 some control must have happened [17:48] Techrights-sec2 back to the video mentioned the other day (https://youtu.be/zPt_e9Cdk08) [17:48] Techrights-sec2 one big difference was the unalloyed optimism displayed by those interviewed [17:48] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Invidious: https://invidious.flokinet.to/watch?v=zPt_e9Cdk08 [17:48] Techrights-sec2 HP is an M$ booster and makes garbarge hardware still [17:48] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> invidious.flokinet.to | The Code: Story of Linux documentary (Multilingual) (HQ 50 fps) - Invidious [17:48] Techrights-sec2 the old HP of the 1980s is long gone, Fiorina killed off the last of that [17:51] schestowitz-TR i think of hp laptop as compaq with another logo [17:51] schestowitz-TR iirc, until years ago you could still find the older brand on some machines [17:51] Techrights-sec2 HP is an M$ booster and makes garbarge hardware still [17:51] Techrights-sec2 the old HP of the 1980s is long gone, Fiorina killed off the last of that [17:51] Techrights-sec2 and her residue persists to this day [17:52] Techrights-sec2 ack [17:53] Techrights-sec2 compaq was bought around 2002 and the name used until 2013 or so but [17:53] Techrights-sec2 afaik just the "name" [17:54] schestowitz-TR lenovo is, afaik, still the leading oem in tghis space [17:54] schestowitz-TR maybe the west will ban it next.,.. like huawei and xiaomi [17:54] Techrights-sec2 compaq buckled and failed and was sold off as (IMO) the direct result of [17:54] Techrights-sec2 trying to partner with M$ [17:54] Techrights-sec2 lenovo is chinese ● Jun 14 [18:00] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@z9q6pbfu32ayw.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [18:39] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [18:55] schestowitz-TR oTA [18:55] schestowitz-TR I don't know how to best help to the ousting of the EPO Mafia [18:55] schestowitz-TR for starters, the population needs to be aware [18:55] schestowitz-TR for that to happen, the media MUST participate [18:55] schestowitz-TR this is journalistic misconduct! [18:55] schestowitz-TR WTO has meanwhile entirely canned suggestions of patent waiver [18:55] schestowitz-TR nd nobody talks about it [18:55] schestowitz-TR heck, nobody even talks about the surge in COVID cases [18:55] schestowitz-TR they think 5 billion people getting infected is now "just the flu" [18:55] Techrights-sec2 agreed, they are complicit a this point due to having turned a blind eye to [18:55] Techrights-sec2 all the scandals, and even the basic problems, for so long [18:59] Techrights-sec2 there is collusion or something in apparently agreeing to not cover SARS-CoV-2 [18:59] Techrights-sec2 \ ● Jun 14 [19:02] schestowitz-TR I argue differently [19:02] schestowitz-TR there is no agreement [19:02] schestowitz-TR no collusion [19:02] schestowitz-TR the same people already own the media [19:02] schestowitz-TR no need for agreement [19:02] schestowitz-TR they coordinate many of these things at once [19:02] schestowitz-TR to me, the media now engages in the same rheetorical BS it used to mock, condemn [19:02] schestowitz-TR as if "it's just the flu" [19:02] schestowitz-TR theie "afct checkers" used to dispute that [19:02] schestowitz-TR now our gov. downplays it and lets it spread [19:02] schestowitz-TR and keeps us in the dark re data/info [19:02] schestowitz-TR the net outcome will be only further erosion of trust in one's gov [19:02] schestowitz-TR and yield more disobeience not more obedience [19:03] Techrights-sec2 another area where the media goes out of its way to cause trouble is when [19:03] Techrights-sec2 it intentionally confuses and or conflates immmigtration, illegal immigration, [19:03] Techrights-sec2 human trafficking/smuggling, asylum, and so on [19:03] schestowitz-TR [10:03] "Deporting refugees to Rwanda has nothing to do with tackling people-trafficking" https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/06/13/protests-erupt-after-uk-court-greenlights-plan-deport-asylum-seekers-rwanda | Source: Common Dreams [19:03] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.commondreams.org | Protests Erupt After UK Court Greenlights Plan to Deport Asylum-Seekers to Rwanda [19:04] Techrights-sec2 it causes all kinds of trouble and strife both domestically and internationally [19:04] Techrights-sec2 because they do that [19:08] *psydroid2 is now known as stallmanite [19:10] *stallmanite is now known as socrates [19:15] schestowitz-TR people like immigration when it it another nation'\s brain drain, e.g. hungarians leaving for greener pastures [19:15] schestowitz-TR but they don't call them the same thing [19:15] schestowitz-TR there are racial connotations with each term [19:15] schestowitz-TR overseas workers [19:15] schestowitz-TR students on visas [19:15] schestowitz-TR workers on visas [19:15] schestowitz-TR refugees escaping war zones... [19:15] socrates techrights articles are attracting corporate slaves now? [19:15] socrates expats vs immigrants [19:16] schestowitz-TR no, see context [19:16] schestowitz-TR this channel is not techtrights [19:16] schestowitz-TR [19:03] [10:03] "Deporting refugees to Rwanda has nothing to do with tackling people-trafficking" https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/06/13/protests-erupt-after-uk-court-greenlights-plan-deport-asylum-seekers-rwanda | Source: Common Dreams [19:16] schestowitz-TR this is about politics [19:18] schestowitz-TR anyway, going back on topic, I think we need to think what to do about EPO [19:18] schestowitz-TR it is one area where we have "access" no other site has [19:26] Techrights-sec2 what about the M$ bribery cases in the African nations? That came up a few [19:26] Techrights-sec2 months ago and has been papered over. [19:26] schestowitz-TR what is left to say about it, based on no news information [19:26] schestowitz-TR *new information [19:27] Techrights-sec2 not sure, not much new information just more of the same, M$ goes unprosecuted [19:30] schestowitz-TR and that TOO is not news [19:30] schestowitz-TR that crime pays off [19:30] schestowitz-TR and that the next day Microsoft can do press releases about some pro-worker spin [19:30] schestowitz-TR and get 100 publishers in 50 countries to parrot it [19:30] Techrights-sec2 there was a strong EEE example recently , showing M$ is still as before, [19:30] Techrights-sec2 though I am struggling to recall. [19:30] Techrights-sec2 I'd say that the lack of coverage is itself minor news [19:32] Techrights-sec2 it illustrates the level of corruption present in the media and some of the [19:32] Techrights-sec2 control that M$ has over it [19:43] schestowitz-TR working on text [19:43] schestowitz-TR draft ● Jun 14 [20:00] Techrights-sec2 ack ● Jun 14 [22:22] *socrates has quit (Quit: Leaving) [22:22] *aryabhatta (~tulsidas@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [22:27] *aryabhatta is now known as psydroid2 [22:30] *psydroid2 has quit (Quit: Leaving) [22:30] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jun 14 [23:01] *psydroid2 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [23:02] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@4epsgicfemkk8.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [23:39] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [23:39] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [23:49] schestowitz https://yewtu.be/watch?v=HyOS1D2f-5A [23:49] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-yewtu.be | Erling Haaland And Alf Inge Haaland,, Daddy And Son Skill! - Invidious [23:53] schestowitz https://yewtu.be/watch?v=xL5QSrGq7PY [23:53] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-yewtu.be | The Reason Why Erling Haaland HATES Manchester United And Will NEVER Join The Red Devils - Invidious