●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Sunday, November 14, 2021 ●● ● Nov 14 [00:11] *psydroid2 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [00:15] *altlink_291 has quit (connection closed) [00:15] *altlink_3cb (~altlink_3cb@2f7u5j6f87p9g.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [00:18] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@x2yanmt3m67ck.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [00:43] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [00:43] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [00:51] *rianne_ (~rianne@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [00:52] *liberty_box (~liberty@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Nov 14 [01:31] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:43] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@2qj25x6d3cy5n.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [01:45] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:45] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:58] *rianne_ (~rianne@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [01:58] *asusbox2 (~rianne@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [01:59] *asusbox has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Nov 14 [02:00] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [02:06] *rianne (~rianne@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [02:07] *liberty_box (~liberty@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [02:28] *Despatche has quit (Quit: Read error: Connection reset by deer) [02:28] *Despatche (~desp@u3xy9z2ifjzci.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Nov 14 [05:11] *wallacer has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Nov 14 [06:47] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) ● Nov 14 [07:24] schestowitz-TR https://telex.hu/rss/archivum?filters=%7B%22flags%22%3A%5B%22english%22%5D%2C%22parentId%22%3A%5B%22null%22%5D%7D [07:24] -altlink_3cb/#boycottnovell- Cloudflare: telex.hu | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://telex.hu/rss/archivum?filters=%7B%22flags%22%3A%5B%22english%22%5D%2C%22parentId%22%3A%5B%22null%22%5D%7D [07:24] schestowitz-TR https://insighthungary.444.hu/feed [07:24] -altlink_3cb/#boycottnovell- Cloudflare: 444.hu | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://insighthungary.444.hu/feed [07:25] schestowitz-TR 2 RSS feeds of citizen journalkists to add [07:25] Techrights-sec added, though the former feed may not have much recent enough to trigger the [07:25] Techrights-sec script [07:25] schestowitz-TR thanks [07:30] Techrights-sec np [07:30] Techrights-sec back in a few hours [07:32] schestowitz x https://www.gatesfoundation.org/about/committed-grants/2021/10/inv032089 [07:32] -altlink_3cb/#boycottnovell- Cloudflare: gatesfoundation.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gatesfoundation.org/about/committed-grants/2021/10/inv032089 [07:32] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.gatesfoundation.org | Spiegel Online - Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation [07:32] schestowitz # [07:32] schestowitz = [07:32] schestowitz # The name git is not M$ and should not be used interchangeably with [07:32] schestowitz # github to mean the M$ site [07:34] schestowitz Rock Band Frontwoman Pees on Fans Face During Show, Group Apologizes https://www.tmz.com/2021/11/13/rock-band-frontwoman-pees-on-fan-face-show-apologizes/ [07:34] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.tmz.com | Rock Band Frontwoman Pees on Fan's Face During Show, Group Apologizes [07:34] schestowitz # wtf? a trump relative? [07:38] schestowitz-TR re pee lady, maybe she watched Lenny Kravitz and figured out how to make a break, make it to the media/mainstream, albeit intentionally [07:59] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) ● Nov 14 [08:07] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@9vib856syp9u2.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [08:59] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [08:59] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Nov 14 [09:11] *rianne (~rianne@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [09:11] *liberty_box (~liberty@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Nov 14 [10:14] *Despatche has quit (Quit: Read error: Connection reset by deer) [10:19] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [10:19] schestowitz-TR today, or half an hour ago, there was some strange issue retrieving the IRC text file from the site to display in the capsule. I did some investigation and it seems like the issue was temporary [10:19] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [10:20] schestowitz-TR having said that, the lights did not light up, but I saw an error message in the terminal, not from wget but from bash [10:20] schestowitz-TR the ping script could not be found [10:20] schestowitz-TR so I added the path, pushed to git [10:21] schestowitz-TR the problem seems to hav resolved itself in the interim, so I don't know if adding full path actually did resolve the issue [10:23] schestowitz-TR BTW, all those join and quit messages about libertybox -- that's the VPN going up and down when we're on shift. ipfs irc bot goes up and down a lot because of traffic shaping on the raspi [10:27] *rianne (~rianne@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [10:28] *liberty_box (~liberty@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [10:34] Techrights-sec ok, I just got back a few minutes ago. Catching up. [10:34] Techrights-sec Maybe the IRC bot should get a higher priority [10:34] Techrights-sec ? [10:35] schestowitz-TR recnetly i tinkered a bit with tc scripts but I can only make it worse ● Nov 14 [11:21] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@2qj25x6d3cy5n.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [11:41] *wallacer (~quassel@6bsu33ajs4zs4.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [11:42] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [11:43] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [11:52] schestowitz-TR I want to move our gemini http proxy to something we control, but those typically need JS, go, or both [11:52] Techrights-sec It would be "only" a URL rewriter... [11:59] Techrights-sec It would be "only" a URL rewriter... Would Apache2 be able to function [11:59] Techrights-sec as a gemini proxy for TR? ● Nov 14 [12:03] Techrights-sec It has the full rewrite engine available. [12:04] schestowitz-TR I was thinking more along the lines of proxy.techrights.org with vulpes running on it [12:05] Techrights-sec Sure it could be done, but the TR host is more or less paralyzed until the OS [12:05] Techrights-sec upgrade occurs. [12:05] schestowitz-TR on another machine [12:09] Techrights-sec It'd fit on the RPi. [12:09] Techrights-sec It wouldn'rt really use the file system either, just some of the bandwidth. [12:09] Techrights-sec But setting up HTTPS would be necessary. Though that ca be done with [12:09] Techrights-sec Let's Encrypt or a competitor. [12:10] schestowitz-TR with ipfs and gemini, my pi is already too throttled to serve https, do we have another machine or vps? ip need not be static if I can change the dns every now and then.... [12:11] Techrights-sec VPS would be the way to go. IMO [12:13] Techrights-sec https://www.vultr.com/products/cloud-compute/#pricing [12:13] -altlink_3cb/#boycottnovell- Cloudflare: vultr.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.vultr.com/products/cloud-compute/#pricing [12:13] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.vultr.com | High Performance and Cheap Cloud Servers Deployment - Vultr.com [12:13] schestowitz-TR that would increase reliance on external hosts [12:13] Techrights-sec ony as a proxy [12:14] schestowitz-TR I am thinking how to step away from a third party, not just for gemini (except ISP and DNS) but also some HTTPS option, over time... [12:14] schestowitz-TR we have more EPO stuff coming, and github every monday. I don't want to be policed by webhosts [12:18] schestowitz-TR You started to say, I'm pretty sure it is simple enough, and yes, I agree, with text only things are simplified a great deal [12:18] *liberty_box (~liberty@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [12:19] *rianne (~rianne@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [12:19] Techrights-sec Wait. For all of Gemini or just TR's Gemini ? [12:20] Techrights-sec It is simple enough if we proxy only TR material. Then it is mostly [12:20] Techrights-sec ^W^W^W^W [12:20] Techrights-sec Nevermind. It does require some interaction. [12:21] schestowitz-TR yes [12:21] schestowitz-TR you alluded to thius earlier too, as if mod rewrite would tackle this [12:21] schestowitz-TR we need open port over gemini and all [12:21] schestowitz-TR but some people did all the work already [12:21] schestowitz-TR so it just needs deploying, I could even do this on my laptop, but the idea has drawbacks [12:22] schestowitz-TR the 'database' if you like is already self-hosted, but it serves over a protocol that is now web of, if we use a web [12:22] schestowitz-TR proxy, it is not controlled by us and VULPES.ONE has downtime issues every now and then and poses a privacy risk [12:23] Techrights-sec Yes, I understand the advantages. What would be the scope of the proxy? [12:23] Techrights-sec Just the contents of gemini://gemini.techrights.org/ or would [12:23] Techrights-sec it need to be able to fetch and process any Gemini site from anywhere? [12:24] schestowitz-TR I am pretty sure we can limit it to just one capsule with some configs [12:29] Techrights-sec I'm not quite sure how to write a Gemini client. [12:30] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [12:31] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [12:34] schestowitz-TR some people did this already [12:35] schestowitz-TR we just need to deploay [12:35] schestowitz-TR then we can have something like, lite.techrgihts.org/article [12:35] Techrights-sec https://oriented.net/server/openbsd-virtual-machine [12:35] Techrights-sec https://openbsd.amsterdam/ [12:35] Techrights-sec https://terrahost.no/ [12:35] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-oriented.net | Server - OpenBSD Virtual Machine - oriented.net [12:35] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-openbsd.amsterdam | OpenBSD Amsterdam [12:35] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-terrahost.no | Terrahost | Servere og Colocation fra eget datasenter i Norge [12:35] schestowitz-TR Do you have an existing account with any of them? [12:40] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@cqggrmwgu7gji.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [12:41] Techrights-sec No, there was another which was cheap, but I cannot recall the name at the [12:41] Techrights-sec moment. [12:41] Techrights-sec Scaleway. [12:42] schestowitz-TR we could use the kaniini server as well, with a new container of alpine, devuan, whatever... but it would use up another IP address [12:43] schestowitz-TR but given the low volume of pages we have a chance to become more self-hosted, no third parties, otherwise we remain dependent [12:43] Techrights-sec That way it would but with an OS upgrade it would be feasible to add [12:43] Techrights-sec to the existing Apache2 service, just add a name-virtual host [12:44] schestowitz-TR I would rather separate it completely from being dependent on the same host being online, making the site more fault-tolerant [12:44] *rianne (~rianne@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [12:45] Techrights-sec Scaleway is not so cheap any more it looks like ~ 7 EUR per month [12:45] Techrights-sec It can be a different domain name served by the the one Apache2 instance.. [12:45] schestowitz-TR I was thinking subsite [12:45] *liberty_box (~liberty@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [12:45] Techrights-sec http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/vhosts/name-based.html [12:45] Techrights-sec Yes, subsite see link [12:45] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-httpd.apache.org | Name-based Virtual Host Support - Apache HTTP Server Version 2.4 [12:46] schestowitz-TR I was thinking of putting it on one of the laptops [12:47] Techrights-sec It would use little hard disk and only some CPU but periodically some bandwidth [12:49] schestowitz-TR I bet the software needs some relatively new versions of dependencies, too new for distros on the laptops [12:50] Techrights-sec Probably. TLS1.3 is needed at least. [12:53] schestowitz https://gemini.susa.net:1993/cgi-bin/Proxy.sh?url=gemini%3A%2F%2Fgemini.susa.net%2Fcgi-bin%2Fgemini-irc%3Fsort%3Ddesc [12:53] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Missing content type. Ignoring. [12:59] schestowitz-TR still thinking and looking up software deps for several existing (about 5) proxy projects [12:59] *altlink_3cb has quit (connection closed) [12:59] *altlink_ff9 (~altlink_ff9@2f7u5j6f87p9g.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [12:59] Techrights-sec ack ● Nov 14 [13:00] schestowitz-TR one upside is 'selling' this idea of going light for residential standard of connections, then self-hosting, no VPS [13:13] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [13:13] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [13:22] *rianne (~rianne@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [13:23] *liberty_box (~liberty@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [13:28] schestowitz ~/go/bin $ ./go get git.feuerfuchs.dev/Feuerfuchs/gopherproxy [13:28] schestowitz package git.feuerfuchs.dev/Feuerfuchs/gopherproxy: unrecognized import path "git.feuerfuchs.dev/Feuerfuchs/gopherproxy": https fetch: Get "https://git.feuerfuchs.dev/Feuerfuchs/gopherproxy?go-get=1": dial tcp 45.87.158.7:443: connect: connection refused [13:28] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Failed connect to git.feuerfuchs.dev:443; Connection refused ( status 0 @ https://git.feuerfuchs.dev/Feuerfuchs/gopherproxy?go-get=1 ) [13:28] schestowitz-TR giving up on this for today [13:34] Techrights-sec back in a bit [13:41] Techrights-sec ok, it requires a bit of fiddling to get or make a proxy [13:42] schestowitz-TR side note, not important: [13:42] schestowitz-TR seeing how often vulpes goes offline [13:42] schestowitz-TR and for how long [13:42] schestowitz-TR sometimes almost as long as one month [13:42] schestowitz-TR you have to wonder how much of a pain it is to maintain [13:42] schestowitz-TR another issue [13:42] schestowitz-TR we don't know how many deployments there are [13:42] schestowitz-TR there may be just this one [13:43] schestowitz-TR so the code they put online may be messy and not enough to even get this running [13:43] schestowitz-TR except if you're the actual developer of it [13:43] schestowitz-TR some of the other proxies use JS and other "yuck" like node.js [13:44] schestowitz at one point derek taylot said he wanted to make his homepage just a copy of his capsule [13:44] schestowitz gemini://distro.tube [13:45] schestowitz it has been offline for MONTHS [13:45] schestowitz so clearly that's NOT happening [13:45] schestowitz not many sites use gemini as their core or their DB, except few hardcore gemini/gopher anthusiasts [13:45] schestowitz enthusiasts [13:46] Techrights-sec No to javascript in any form. [13:47] schestowitz-TR on the upside, I think the bright alert now works, as something did invoke it earlier but I am not sure at one point in time because it seems to be resolved already [13:47] schestowitz-TR i also shuffled a bunch of applications around to reduce clutter, improve the 'alta vista' a bit, reduce distraction ● Nov 14 [14:16] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [14:16] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [14:16] Techrights-sec ack [14:16] Techrights-sec back in a while [14:50] *rianne (~rianne@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [14:50] *liberty_box (~liberty@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Nov 14 [15:05] *activelow has quit (connection closed) [15:06] *activelow (~activelow@m4nchuvcehiwg.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [15:33] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [15:33] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [15:40] *rianne (~rianne@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [15:40] *liberty_box (~liberty@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [15:58] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [15:58] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Nov 14 [16:00] *rianne (~rianne@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [16:02] *liberty_box (~liberty@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [16:19] Techrights-sec the bright alert script is ~gemini/bin/gemini-ping-roy.sh [16:19] Techrights-sec That's probably the one that is working. [16:20] schestowitz-TR yes, but the path to it, which was not specified, did not work when I ran it [16:21] Techrights-sec Did it work? I fired it up just now. [16:21] Techrights-sec It can be moved to /usr/local/bin or something [16:21] schestowitz-TR after I made the change it did seem to work at one point [16:42] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [16:42] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Nov 14 [17:11] *liberty_box (~liberty@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [17:11] *rianne (~rianne@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [17:33] Techrights-sec Well COP26 fell on its face in the final hours, undermined by India apparently. [17:33] Techrights-sec Though India was at the point, other countries went along with the obstruction. [17:33] Techrights-sec LOL a perfect 10. I won't click to spoil that. [17:33] schestowitz-TR don't worry, Linux Foundation issued a press release some days ago saying it'll save the world, or something to that [17:33] schestowitz-TR effect, I kid youm not [17:33] schestowitz-TR while they greenwash Microcrosoft [17:34] schestowitz-TR The LF could help reduce energy consumption by attacking the desktop market [17:34] schestowitz-TR head on. Lowering CPU usage by 50% to 75% through abandoning MS Windows [17:34] schestowitz-TR would have great positive impact at a global level. [17:34] Techrights-sec The LF could help reduce energy consumption by attacking the desktop market [17:34] Techrights-sec head on. Lowering CPU usage by 50% to 75% through abandoning MS Windows [17:34] Techrights-sec would have great positive impact at a global level. [17:34] schestowitz-TR minutes ago rianne and I had a laugh seeing that spamnil's youtube channels moves from bad to worse, like 10 views p [17:34] schestowitz-TR er day after all the hard work [17:40] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [17:40] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Nov 14 [18:52] schestowitz-TR googleusercontent.com has just bombarded our home connection with over 20k page requests in a short period of time ● Nov 14 [19:22] Techrights-sec Google is managed by dickheads these days. I have the feeling that many [19:22] Techrights-sec though probably smart don't quite know what they are doing and that the [19:22] Techrights-sec different departments are not in coordination. [19:22] Techrights-sec Many of the top people who were responsible for Old Google's positive [19:22] Techrights-sec reputation are long gone. [19:23] schestowitz-TR DiBona is still there, trying to cancel RMS [19:23] schestowitz-TR Beard envy :D [19:23] *psydroid2 has quit (connection closed) [19:23] Techrights-sec :( [19:23] Techrights-sec DiBona is old enough to know better than to go alone with disinformation [19:23] Techrights-sec spread via social control media. [19:24] schestowitz-TR He himself told me that Slashdot was infested with trolls and shills [19:24] schestowitz-TR now he joins forces wtth some [19:25] schestowitz-TR From "news for geeks" to "bunch of dicks" [19:26] Techrights-sec Yes, /. got taken over by them more or less, well before the first sale. [19:26] Techrights-sec The Halloween I document referred to it as an "Open Source site" but the [19:26] Techrights-sec reality was that tech, especially anything related to the WWW or the Internet, [19:26] Techrights-sec was exclusively FOSS. [19:34] *activelow has quit (connection closed) [19:34] *activelow (~activelow@jetajnwe36nsc.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [19:43] Techrights-sec Reddit is the nastiest with all the lies that got it off the ground. [19:43] Techrights-sec People still repeat the lie that Aaron Swartz founded it. [19:43] schestowitz-TR In the days of Digg I used to think that he dfid [19:44] Techrights-sec So by nature of being the most popular tech news discussion forum it was [19:44] Techrights-sec of course going to focus almost completely on FOSS. [19:44] Techrights-sec Reddit is the nastiest with all the lies that got it off the ground. [19:44] Techrights-sec People still repeat the lie that Aaron Swartz founded it. [19:47] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [19:47] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@cqggrmwgu7gji.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [19:48] *psydroid3 (~psydroid@cqggrmwgu7gji.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [19:49] *psydroid3 has quit (connection closed) [19:53] Techrights-sec https://old.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/qtwdj8/a_not_so_complete_list_of_all_the_badness_gates/ [19:53] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-old.reddit.com | A (not so complete) list of all the badness Gates foundation, how it enriches Bill Gates and is essentially a giant Tax fraud shell : conspiracy ● Nov 14 [20:05] *activelow has quit (connection closed) [20:05] *activelow (~activelow@4j9jkcntt88f2.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [20:09] Techrights-sec I see it is filed in r/conspiracy unfortunately the word conspiracy has [20:09] Techrights-sec been co-opted to mean false fantasy rather than an actul group [20:09] Techrights-sec of people conspiring. [20:09] schestowitz-TR synonyms can be used [20:10] Techrights-sec Yes, however Reddit is censoring the material by categorizing it as false. [20:10] schestowitz-TR I think people just submit it there [20:11] Techrights-sec That will ensure the very few read it and fewer comment on it. [20:11] Techrights-sec I would suspect that the submissions are the response to the filter [20:11] Techrights-sec in the other categories. [20:23] Techrights-sec They can easily be trained to submit it there if the moderators [20:23] Techrights-sec mess with it in any other category. [20:28] *Despatche (~desp@u3xy9z2ifjzci.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [20:29] Techrights-sec What was the old URL? ● Nov 14 [21:13] *wallacer has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [21:40] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@2qj25x6d3cy5n.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [21:58] *liberty_box (~liberty@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [21:58] *rianne (~rianne@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Nov 14 [22:34] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [22:34] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [22:43] *rianne (~rianne@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [22:44] *liberty_box (~liberty@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Nov 14 [23:40] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [23:40] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s)