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r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/itsamgr/status/1172927812795326464Sep 15 01:04
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@itsamgr: Code name Thessaloniki! Well done! https://t.co/60ldven0RgSep 15 01:04
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: #GNOME 3.34 'Thessaloniki' Linux desktop environment is finally here https://t.co/b6jXWceIuZ https://t.co/bDKDYqrYO8Sep 15 01:04
r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/DarkHorse048/status/1173013699071807489Sep 15 01:07
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@DarkHorse048: @schestowitz https://t.co/4AJwgRmbuvSep 15 01:07
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@lifttheveil411: He has expressed pro-pedophilia views publicly for years yet was a public speaker at Microsoft just last week https://t.co/f4F5guvRnASep 15 01:07
r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/9t_9p/status/1173020719917215745Sep 15 01:08
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@9t_9p: Is it the #ClimateCrisis ? Is it #NoWarOnIran ? Kids in cages & courtrooms? racism? guns, healthcare, immigration p… https://t.co/G3UbfvxCYrSep 15 01:08
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@9t_9p: Is it the #ClimateCrisis ? Is it #NoWarOnIran ? Kids in cages & courtrooms? racism? guns, healthcare, immigration p… https://t.co/G3UbfvxCYrSep 15 01:08
r_schestowitz"Sep 15 01:08
r_schestowitzIs it the #ClimateCrisis ?Sep 15 01:08
r_schestowitzIs it #NoWarOnIran ?Sep 15 01:08
r_schestowitzKids in cages & courtrooms?Sep 15 01:08
r_schestowitzracism? guns, healthcare, immigration policy?Sep 15 01:08
r_schestowitzis it the lies?Sep 15 01:08
r_schestowitz the greed?Sep 15 01:08
r_schestowitzwhat is it that you are fighting today?Sep 15 01:08
r_schestowitzand..Sep 15 01:08
r_schestowitzWho?Sep 15 01:08
r_schestowitzWho is responsible for the injustice that you are fighting today?Sep 15 01:08
r_schestowitztell usSep 15 01:08
r_schestowitz"Sep 15 01:08
r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/StarchyArchie/status/1173042659285438464Sep 15 02:25
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@StarchyArchie: @schestowitz @Snowden 💻😭Sep 15 02:25
r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/prpltnkr/status/1173056482734043137Sep 15 03:11
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@prpltnkr: Kinda thought-provoking. Of course, I am glad the article acknowledges the brutality often attributable to the Chin… https://t.co/M0Xn0OuwZFSep 15 03:11
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@prpltnkr: Kinda thought-provoking. Of course, I am glad the article acknowledges the brutality often attributable to the Chin… https://t.co/M0Xn0OuwZFSep 15 03:11
r_schestowitz"Sep 15 03:11
r_schestowitzTinker, Skunk and Opinion-Haver Retweeted Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊)Sep 15 03:11
r_schestowitzKinda thought-provoking. Of course, I am glad the article acknowledges the brutality often attributable to the Chinese government, but their point about China’s military vs America’s is striking.Sep 15 03:11
r_schestowitz"Sep 15 03:11
r_schestowitz> xSep 15 04:18
r_schestowitz> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7463107/MIT-scientist-appears-DEFEND-Jeffrey-Epstein.htmlSep 15 04:18
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.dailymail.co.uk | MIT scientist appears to DEFEND Jeffrey Epstein | Daily Mail OnlineSep 15 04:18
r_schestowitz> # photo and all, not Bill Gates' photoSep 15 04:18
r_schestowitzTo their credit, they did cover the Gates connection as well (even with photos).Sep 15 04:18
r_schestowitz>>>> $ sudo du -sh /var/lib/* | sort -rh | head -n 5Sep 15 05:05
r_schestowitz>>>> 12G/var/lib/mysqlSep 15 05:05
r_schestowitz>>>> 112M/var/lib/rpmSep 15 05:05
r_schestowitz>>>> 11M/var/lib/yumSep 15 05:05
r_schestowitz>>>> 8.8M/var/lib/mlocateSep 15 05:05
r_schestowitz>>>> 64K/var/lib/systemdSep 15 05:05
r_schestowitz>>> I am aware. Let's do SSL first. Sep 15 05:05
r_schestowitz>> Ok.  When should we aim for trying that?Sep 15 05:05
r_schestowitz> How did that go?Sep 15 05:05
r_schestowitz> Sep 15 05:05
r_schestowitz> https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-create-an-ssl-certificate-on-apache-for-centos-7Sep 15 05:05
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.digitalocean.com | How To Create an SSL Certificate on Apache for CentOS 7 | DigitalOceanSep 15 05:05
r_schestowitz> Sep 15 05:05
r_schestowitz> https://www.linode.com/docs/security/ssl/ssl-apache2-centos/Sep 15 05:05
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.linode.com | SSL Certificates with Apache on CentOS 7Sep 15 05:05
r_schestowitzI have not tried for a while. When I followed manuals I usually just got stuck at EPEL missing something, IIRC.Sep 15 05:05
r_schestowitz>>>>>> $ sudo du -sh /var/lib/* | sort -rh | head -n 5Sep 15 05:38
r_schestowitz>>>>>> 12G/var/lib/mysqlSep 15 05:38
r_schestowitz>>>>>> 112M/var/lib/rpmSep 15 05:38
r_schestowitz>>>>>> 11M/var/lib/yumSep 15 05:38
r_schestowitz>>>>>> 8.8M/var/lib/mlocateSep 15 05:38
r_schestowitz>>>>>> 64K/var/lib/systemdSep 15 05:39
r_schestowitz>>>>> I am aware. Let's do SSL first. Sep 15 05:39
r_schestowitz>>>> Ok.  When should we aim for trying that?Sep 15 05:39
r_schestowitz>>> How did that go?Sep 15 05:39
r_schestowitz>>>Sep 15 05:39
r_schestowitz>>> https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-create-an-ssl-certificate-on-apache-for-centos-7Sep 15 05:39
r_schestowitz>>>Sep 15 05:39
r_schestowitz>>> https://www.linode.com/docs/security/ssl/ssl-apache2-centos/Sep 15 05:39
r_schestowitz>> I have not tried for a while. When I followed manuals I usually just gotSep 15 05:39
r_schestowitz>> stuck at EPEL missing something, IIRC.Sep 15 05:39
r_schestowitz> Should we try again later today?  EPEL is there, but there are a lot ofSep 15 05:39
r_schestowitz> normal packages which need updating, including the kernel.  That wouldSep 15 05:39
r_schestowitz> necessitate a reboot first:Sep 15 05:39
r_schestowitz> Sep 15 05:39
r_schestowitz> $ sudo yum updateSep 15 05:39
r_schestowitz> . . .Sep 15 05:39
r_schestowitz> Transaction SummarySep 15 05:39
r_schestowitz> ================================================================================Sep 15 05:39
r_schestowitz> Install    6 Packages (+15 Dependent packages)Sep 15 05:39
r_schestowitz> Upgrade  238 PackagesSep 15 05:39
r_schestowitz> Sep 15 05:39
r_schestowitz> Total download size: 381 MSep 15 05:39
r_schestowitz> Is this ok [y/d/N]: nSep 15 05:39
r_schestowitz> Exiting on user commandSep 15 05:39
r_schestowitz> . . .Sep 15 05:39
r_schestowitzIf we have a decent test and if a backup is recent enough, then have a go at it. If we end up having to rebuild everything, then i'm scared...Sep 15 05:39
r_schestowitz>>> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7463107/MIT-scientist-appears-DEFEND-Jeffrey-Epstein.htmlSep 15 05:40
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.dailymail.co.uk | MIT scientist appears to DEFEND Jeffrey Epstein | Daily Mail OnlineSep 15 05:40
r_schestowitz>>> # photo and all, not Bill Gates' photoSep 15 05:40
r_schestowitz>> To their credit, they did cover the Gates connection as well (even withSep 15 05:40
r_schestowitz>> photos).Sep 15 05:40
r_schestowitz>>Sep 15 05:40
r_schestowitz> The DailyFail only mentioned RMS and showed only his picture Gates wasSep 15 05:40
r_schestowitz> ignored, again.  Selam's Medium post linked to near the head only rantsSep 15 05:40
r_schestowitz> about RMS.  Gates isn't mentioned there either.  However her inclusionSep 15 05:40
r_schestowitz> of Damore shows that she is off her rocker and using this agenda forSep 15 05:40
r_schestowitz> other that what it seems on the surface.Sep 15 05:40
r_schestowitzI added her to the tuxmachines threat just for completeness. I may later do an analysis of everrything in techrights. But I'm not sure yet; there's not much to say really (that wasn't already said).Sep 15 05:40
r_schestowitz*threadSep 15 05:40
r_schestowitz"The timing is really bad.  We may now never get to the bottom of how RMS ended up at Muppet Labs and why.Sep 15 05:49
r_schestowitz"I suppose that, after Linus, if they are able to neutralize RMS then one of the few left would be Larry Wall.  He's probably next."Sep 15 05:49
r_schestowitz>> If we have a decent test and if a backup is recent enough, then have aSep 15 05:50
r_schestowitz>> go at it. If we end up having to rebuild everything, then i'm scared...Sep 15 05:50
r_schestowitz> I don't have a way to predict that.  I do have the results of the threeSep 15 05:50
r_schestowitz> backup scripts held locally.Sep 15 05:50
r_schestowitzI'm not sure we absolutely need so many patches applied just to get ssl configured. I'd rather rebuild only when we move to another, newer distro.Sep 15 05:50
r_schestowitz> Then I would propose Devuan 2, which except for its removal of systemd,Sep 15 06:05
r_schestowitz> is a drop-in replacement for Debian.  Only those packages with systemdSep 15 06:05
r_schestowitz> ties have been modified and reside in the Devuan repositories, the restSep 15 06:06
r_schestowitz> are pulled unmodified from the Debian repositories.  Those who have usedSep 15 06:06
r_schestowitz> Debian prior to systemd will find it more than familiar.  The life cycleSep 15 06:06
r_schestowitz> might be a bit shorter than 5 years though.Sep 15 06:06
r_schestowitzI wonder if they might fold some time in the next 5 years, seeing how many things get undermined these days...Sep 15 06:06
r_schestowitz>> I'm not sure, either.Sep 15 08:02
r_schestowitz> There seems to be one device per VM image:Sep 15 08:02
r_schestowitz> Sep 15 08:02
r_schestowitz> $ ls -lh /dev/vg0/Sep 15 08:02
r_schestowitz> total 0Sep 15 08:02
r_schestowitz> lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root          22 Nov 27  2018 images ->Sep 15 08:02
r_schestowitz> /dev/mapper/vg0-imagesSep 15 08:02
r_schestowitz> lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root          30 Nov 27  2018 techrights.org ->Sep 15 08:02
r_schestowitz> /dev/mapper/vg0-techrights.orgSep 15 08:02
r_schestowitz> lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root          31 Nov 27  2018 tuxmachines.orgSep 15 08:02
r_schestowitz> -> /dev/mapper/vg0-tuxmachines.orgSep 15 08:02
r_schestowitz> lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root          20 Nov 27  2018 work ->Sep 15 08:02
r_schestowitz> /dev/mapper/vg0-workSep 15 08:02
r_schestowitz> Sep 15 08:02
r_schestowitz> I'm not sure how to add a third.  Moreover I am completely unfamiliarSep 15 08:02
r_schestowitz> with Alpine.  I'd be more comfortable with FreeBSD even.Sep 15 08:02
r_schestowitz> Sep 15 08:02
r_schestowitz>> I think better to wait much longer before changing distro etc. Can beSep 15 08:02
r_schestowitz>> done on a temporary 3rd machine (VM).Sep 15 08:02
r_schestowitz> Ok.  Then we're back to the pressure of not having TLS in place.  AsSep 15 08:02
r_schestowitz> mentioned it hurts TR's ranking and reach to not have it.Sep 15 08:02
r_schestowitzDo you want to have another go at it without touching the repos. I don't remember where I got stuck, but it's probably doable.Sep 15 08:02
r_schestowitz>>>> I'm not sure, either.Sep 15 08:44
r_schestowitz>>> There seems to be one device per VM image:Sep 15 08:44
r_schestowitz>>>Sep 15 08:44
r_schestowitz>>> $ ls -lh /dev/vg0/Sep 15 08:44
r_schestowitz>>> total 0Sep 15 08:44
r_schestowitz>>> lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root          22 Nov 27  2018 images ->Sep 15 08:44
r_schestowitz>>> /dev/mapper/vg0-imagesSep 15 08:44
r_schestowitz>>> lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root          30 Nov 27  2018 techrights.org ->Sep 15 08:44
r_schestowitz>>> /dev/mapper/vg0-techrights.orgSep 15 08:44
r_schestowitz>>> lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root          31 Nov 27  2018 tuxmachines.orgSep 15 08:44
r_schestowitz>>> -> /dev/mapper/vg0-tuxmachines.orgSep 15 08:44
r_schestowitz>>> lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root          20 Nov 27  2018 work ->Sep 15 08:44
r_schestowitz>>> /dev/mapper/vg0-workSep 15 08:44
r_schestowitz>>>Sep 15 08:44
r_schestowitz>>> I'm not sure how to add a third.  Moreover I am completely unfamiliarSep 15 08:44
r_schestowitz>>> with Alpine.  I'd be more comfortable with FreeBSD even.Sep 15 08:44
r_schestowitz>>>Sep 15 08:44
r_schestowitz>>>> I think better to wait much longer before changing distro etc. Can beSep 15 08:44
r_schestowitz>>>> done on a temporary 3rd machine (VM).Sep 15 08:44
r_schestowitz>>> Ok.  Then we're back to the pressure of not having TLS in place.  AsSep 15 08:44
r_schestowitz>>> mentioned it hurts TR's ranking and reach to not have it.Sep 15 08:44
r_schestowitz>> Do you want to have another go at it without touching the repos. I don'tSep 15 08:44
r_schestowitz>> remember where I got stuck, but it's probably doable.Sep 15 08:44
r_schestowitz> I'm not sure.  EPEL is in place.  So it /should/ be a matter of lettingSep 15 08:44
r_schestowitz> the update run its course and then added a package or two.  However,Sep 15 08:44
r_schestowitz> I've had RH-based distros break on me before so I am very cautiousSep 15 08:44
r_schestowitz> especially since I don't have a proper way to rebuild the underlying VMSep 15 08:44
r_schestowitz> guest.Sep 15 08:44
r_schestowitzLet's just patiently think what distro to use and when. It can help us learn something new. You can see what sort of software runs on each VM. TM needs Drupal 6 LTS BTW.Sep 15 08:44
r_schestowitz>> I'm not sure.  EPEL is in place.  So it /should/ be a matter of lettingSep 15 08:45
r_schestowitz>> the update run its course and then added a package or two.  However,Sep 15 08:45
r_schestowitz>> I've had RH-based distros break on me before so I am very cautiousSep 15 08:45
r_schestowitz>> especially since I don't have a proper way to rebuild the underlying VMSep 15 08:45
r_schestowitz>> guest.Sep 15 08:45
r_schestowitz>>Sep 15 08:45
r_schestowitz> How comfortable are you with Qemu?  There is a way to take a snapshot onSep 15 08:45
r_schestowitz> HV and then roll back to that if things go south in the TR guest.Sep 15 08:45
r_schestowitzIt's probably possible, but I don't know how to do that. Things are already flaky enough as they are; with the VMs hanging sometimes...Sep 15 08:45
r_schestowitz> Here's today's batch(es).Sep 15 08:46
r_schestowitzThank you. I will try to focus on openwashing/OSS this morning. When I do articles I'll have links to keep the feeds going.Sep 15 08:46
r_schestowitzI really have 'social' 'media', but to ignore it means losing much reach.Sep 15 08:46
r_schestowitz              <li>Sep 15 12:35
r_schestowitz                <h5><a href="https://www.pcmag.com/news/370748/huawei-opts-for-linux-on-its-laptops">Huawei Opts for Linux on Its Laptops</a></h5>Sep 15 12:35
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 400 @ https://www.pcmag.com/news/370748/huawei-opts-for-linux-on-its-laptops">Huawei )Sep 15 12:35
r_schestowitz                <blockquote>Sep 15 12:35
r_schestowitz                  <p>Huawei's Windows-alternative is a rather obvious one and it looks to be already using it. Three listings have appeared in China for the MateBook 13, MateBook 14, and MateBook X Pro, all of which run Deepin Linux. And as there's no Windows license to pay, the laptops are priced between $42-$84 cheaper depending on which model is chosen.  </p></blockquote></li>Sep 15 12:35
r_schestowitz              <li>Sep 15 12:35
r_schestowitz                <h5><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2019/09/12/huawei-just-started-selling-laptops-with-deepin-linux-pre-installed/">Huawei Just Started Selling Laptops With A Beautiful Linux OS Pre-Installed</a></h5>Sep 15 12:35
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 404 @ https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2019/09/12/huawei-just-started-selling-laptops-with-deepin-linux-pre-installed/">Huawei )Sep 15 12:35
r_schestowitz                <blockquote>Sep 15 12:35
r_schestowitz                  <p>Now on to the positive news. Huawei has ditched the traditional Windows logo key on these Linux models and replaced it with key that simply reads “Start.” And as you’d expect, these 3 models cost 300 CNY (or about $42 USD) less than their Windows 10 counterparts.  </p></blockquote></li>Sep 15 12:35
r_schestowitz              <li>Sep 15 12:36
r_schestowitz                <h5><a href="https://www.techrepublic.com/article/huawei-selling-matebook-laptops-with-linux-preinstalled-to-consumers-in-china/">Huawei selling MateBook laptops with Linux preinstalled to consumers in China</a></h5>Sep 15 12:36
r_schestowitz                <blockquote>Sep 15 12:36
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 404 @ https://www.techrepublic.com/article/huawei-selling-matebook-laptops-with-linux-preinstalled-to-consumers-in-china/">huawei )Sep 15 12:36
r_schestowitz                  <p>Huawei's MateBook products are available outside of China, though Huawei has made no announcement of making Linux versions available in the West. The Matebook series is well-received by reviewers, though—as is practically the case for the entire PC industry, to some extent—the products follow Apple's design footsteps quite closely.  </p></blockquote></li>Sep 15 12:36
r_schestowitzhttps://www.dawn.com/news/1505118/privatisation-to-begin-this-year-says-ministerSep 15 12:43
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.dawn.com | Privatisation to begin this year, says minister - Newspaper - DAWN.COMSep 15 12:43
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r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/terminsane/status/1173204997363982337Sep 15 16:40
r_schestowitz"Sep 15 16:40
r_schestowitzThey're using children as shields.Sep 15 16:40
r_schestowitzThey taught this kid their ideology, and parade her around to promote it for themSep 15 16:40
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@terminsane: @schestowitz They're using children as shields. They taught this kid their ideology, and parade her around to prom… https://t.co/dL5IzJZImRSep 15 16:40
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@terminsane: @schestowitz They're using children as shields. They taught this kid their ideology, and parade her around to prom… https://t.co/dL5IzJZImRSep 15 16:40
r_schestowitzAnd anyone who criticizes the ideology is told they're evil for criticizing a poor young child.Sep 15 16:40
r_schestowitz"Sep 15 16:40
r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/MattKalasky1/status/1173217919813267457Sep 15 16:41
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MattKalasky1: @schestowitz "Companies often employ open source as a strategy to drive adoption, only to have mega corporations sc… https://t.co/uUFsubIy1cSep 15 16:41
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MattKalasky1: @schestowitz "Companies often employ open source as a strategy to drive adoption, only to have mega corporations sc… https://t.co/uUFsubIy1cSep 15 16:41
r_schestowitz""Companies often employ open source as a strategy to drive adoption, only to have mega corporations scoop up the software and corner the market."  Um, yeah.  It's really only Amazon that actually does that.  The others all contribute to what they make use of."Sep 15 16:41
r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/MattKalasky1/status/1173217919813267457Sep 15 16:42
r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Dahgoomba/status/1173229453683519489Sep 15 16:42
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Dahgoomba: @schestowitz @CharismaAlasta2 i dont care what they do, pay us for our data! govt is in on it, phony zuck vs congre… https://t.co/WeCenccd0SSep 15 16:42
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Dahgoomba: @schestowitz @CharismaAlasta2 i dont care what they do, pay us for our data! govt is in on it, phony zuck vs congre… https://t.co/WeCenccd0SSep 15 16:42
r_schestowitz"https://twitter.com/Dahgoomba/status/1173229453683519489"Sep 15 16:42
r_schestowitz"i dont care what they do, pay us for our data! govt is in on it, phony zuck vs congress theatre."Sep 15 16:42
r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/minininjalove/status/1173234119335120897Sep 15 16:43
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@minininjalove: @schestowitz @couragefound @wikileaks @suigenerisjen https://t.co/b0RXEgbu1JSep 15 16:43
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@minininjalove: Seems people are not interested in hiring individuals who have this moral urge to tell the truth under no specific… https://t.co/6m07T5G5k3Sep 15 16:43
r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/jlboul/status/1173244311552626688Sep 15 16:43
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@jlboul: @schestowitz Better spent on military-industrial complex?Sep 15 16:43
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