●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Thursday, June 16, 2022 ●● ● Jun 16 [00:03] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [00:05] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@px6mkq46bqg6u.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jun 16 [01:25] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [01:40] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [01:58] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [01:58] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jun 16 [03:35] *Despatche has quit (Quit: Read error: Connection reset by deer) ● Jun 16 [04:07] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [04:07] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) ● Jun 16 [06:14] *wallacer has quit (Quit: wallace dozed off) [06:15] *wallacer (~quassel@6bsu33ajs4zs4.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jun 16 [07:09] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) ● Jun 16 [08:10] Techrights-sec2 gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/15/epo-abolishes-access-to-justice [08:10] Techrights-sec2 implies in the title that the EPC is long since over and done with officially [08:10] Techrights-sec2 the wording of titles and article bodies need to be very clear about [08:10] Techrights-sec2 the EPC being in force and that it bans sw patents and that the EPO managment [08:10] Techrights-sec2 is /breaking the law/ and /violating an international treaty/ [08:10] Techrights-sec2 An article can do a lot of damage if it plays along with the EPO managemnt's [08:10] Techrights-sec2 lies about the EPC being defunct [08:11] schestowitz-TR interesting as I did not think it would give this impression [08:11] schestowitz-TR in fact the article and video repeatedly call them out for breaking the law [08:11] schestowitz-TR and does not imply EPC can be ignored [08:11] schestowitz-TR just that it is being vbiolated a lot [08:12] Techrights-sec2 walking on a grave implies a future burial, dancing on a grave implies [08:12] Techrights-sec2 a past burial [08:12] Techrights-sec2 The body of the article calls out the EPO managment but it takes a few [08:12] Techrights-sec2 paragraphs to catch up to that fact since the title sets the tone in the [08:12] Techrights-sec2 opposite direction since it indicates (inaccurately) that the EPC is over [08:12] Techrights-sec2 yes they ignore it but we should not look at the world from their lawless [08:12] Techrights-sec2 perspective [08:12] schestowitz-TR it is, to them, dead [08:12] schestowitz-TR and they try to reinforce this idea [08:14] Techrights-sec2 before clickbait headlines there was an effort for media to summarize [08:14] Techrights-sec2 as concisely as possible, now that there are mostly only clickbait headlines [08:14] Techrights-sec2 that habit has persisted -- too many people do not read past a headline [08:14] Techrights-sec2 therefore it is so very important to have a headline congruent with the [08:14] Techrights-sec2 core message of the article [08:14] schestowitz-TR ok, so I failed this time [08:14] schestowitz-TR I will be more careful next time [08:15] Techrights-sec2 no worries but can it becorrected? [08:15] schestowitz-TR I'd rather not alter it because that leads to other issues, inc. changes elsewhere and questions raised about the change [08:15] schestowitz-TR maybe I'll compensate for it somehow [08:16] Techrights-sec2 a line a t the bottom could say [08:16] Techrights-sec2 update 2022-06-16 corrected title [08:16] Techrights-sec2 or some such [08:16] Techrights-sec2 ok [08:18] schestowitz-TR I will think of some witty memes about zombies and things coming back from the grave [08:18] schestowitz-TR like the EPC's fathers [08:31] Techrights-sec2 ack [08:31] schestowitz-TR I've drafted some dialogue [08:31] schestowitz-TR but cannot find a suitable meme [08:31] schestowitz-TR might make several [08:31] schestowitz-TR to remind people they break the law [08:31] schestowitz-TR <14 days before the meeting [08:32] Techrights-sec2 prepare the public for the topics to be covered by the meeting? [08:32] Techrights-sec2 And maybe warn about past dodges which are likely to be retried? [08:39] Techrights-sec2 ack [08:39] Techrights-sec2 be sure to add a few words about how they break the law (IMO) [08:40] schestowitz-TR draft [08:40] schestowitz-TR the list would be incomplete [08:40] schestowitz-TR would rather not [08:40] schestowitz-TR it would make it seem like a single-issue case [08:40] Techrights-sec2 not a long list just a word or two [08:40] Techrights-sec2 ok [08:44] Techrights-sec2 maybe a link then to the scandals page in the wiki? [08:44] schestowitz-TR there is alraeady such a link there [08:45] Techrights-sec2 That's to the EPO in general, IIRC there is a full scandal list [08:45] schestowitz-TR not that I know of, but we can make a new page for it [08:48] Techrights-sec2 oop it has changed, that link is the one I was thinking of, it's just that [08:48] Techrights-sec2 the table is further down o nthe page nowadays [08:54] schestowitz " [08:54] schestowitz Dear SUEPO members, dear colleagues, [08:54] schestowitz Your SUEPO TH Committee has been establishing bridges with management, and seeking communication channels hoping for a sound dialogue. [08:54] schestowitz We have just received a first concrete sign that indeed, site-specific conditions will be looked at. [08:54] schestowitz The Office announced in an intranet publication on the 7th June that children with special education needs will still be maintaining their current benefits as before the Education and Childcare Reform. [08:54] schestowitz SUEPO The Hague reiterates its commitment to dialogue and hopes that this measure is one of many more to come to the benefit of SUEPO members and EPO staff. [08:54] schestowitz " ● Jun 16 [10:29] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [10:29] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@5tcc2vuaj9aks.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jun 16 [11:13] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [11:13] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [11:19] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [11:19] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@5tcc2vuaj9aks.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [11:46] schestowitz-TR draft [11:46] schestowitz-TR draft [11:46] schestowitz-TR I've attempted to show some numbers [11:46] schestowitz-TR over times the data will improve [11:46] schestowitz-TR a [11:46] schestowitz-TR as I improve the way it is dissected [11:47] schestowitz-TR the title, however, is factual [11:47] Techrights-sec2 ack ● Jun 16 [12:15] schestowitz-TR I started taking a lot of naps, but they typically add up to about 6 hours every 24 hours [12:15] schestowitz-TR so that's the same as befoe, just spread across more nicely so that I get breaks from the computer [12:15] schestowitz-TR if there is fatigue, in general, then changes in diet or medication (or vaccines) might be a factor [12:15] schestowitz-TR other than hereditary aspects [12:20] schestowitz-TR might want to do detailed blood tests, inc. for stuff like the thyroid gland [12:20] schestowitz-TR maybe a defficiency of some kind [12:20] schestowitz-TR I've just added a draft, it's about Belarus sort of... [12:20] schestowitz-TR I'll keep repeating the point about EPO breaking the law [12:21] schestowitz-TR (another colleague has just been RE-infested with COVID-19... we're not even a large company. This is no flu. With flu he can still work from home.) [12:33] schestowitz some arsehole on ebay cancelled [12:33] schestowitz that site is kaput [12:33] schestowitz When people make an offer and the offer is accepted, the person is COMMITTED to buying the item. [12:33] schestowitz "Changed my mind" is NOT a valid excuse. [12:33] schestowitz Paypal must penalise her account, not put burden on me, or force the purchase. [12:33] schestowitz Otherwise PayPal will lose buyers. [12:33] schestowitz This is not acceptable. ● Jun 16 [13:01] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [13:01] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [13:04] *Despatche (~desp@u3xy9z2ifjzci.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [13:28] schestowitz-TR COVID-19 in England: Sharpest Rise, Highest Levels of Infection and Hospitalisation in Over a Month https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/06/16/covid-rise-in-summer/ [13:28] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive COVID-19 in England: Sharpest Rise, Highest Levels of Infection and Hospitalisation in Over a Month [13:41] Techrights-sec2 ack ● Jun 16 [14:03] schestowitz-TR it is also nap o-clock here [14:03] schestowitz-TR another thing to consider is quality of sleep [14:03] schestowitz-TR like, if the sleep one gets is not deep, then another instance of it must make up for it [14:03] schestowitz-TR the body typically 'knows' when it needs sleep and make the most of it [14:11] schestowitz-TR Disappointing. Giulia Carlini at "Access Now" is boosting propaganda from Microsoft criminals, lending credibility to the lie that Microsoft speaks 'FOR' Open Source. Of note: that link is to GitHub blog. GitHub is PROPRIETARY!!! [14:29] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [14:35] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jun 16 [15:27] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [15:27] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [15:31] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [15:32] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [15:46] schestowitz-TR "We're consuming way too much energy. By now people should start understanding that "shifting over to green power" is kind of a joke. So far the world hasn't really started transitioning at any meaningful scale. Yes, new solar and wind plants are built every day." gemini://warmedal.se/~bjorn/posts/2022-06-16-would-1950s-living-standards-save-us-.gmi [15:50] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [15:50] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jun 16 [16:35] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [16:35] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [16:37] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [16:38] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [16:41] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jun 16 [17:06] schestowitz-TR you said something about mozilla bailout running out [17:06] schestowitz-TR then pasted some link [17:06] schestowitz-TR I did not catch up [17:07] Techrights-sec2 yes, Mozilla' abios bailout lasts until next year: [17:07] Techrights-sec2 [17:07] Techrights-sec2 https://www.androidheadlines.com/2020/08/mozilla-firefox-google-search [17:07] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.androidheadlines.com | Google Is Paying Mozilla $450M Per Year To Be The Default Search Engine On Firefox [17:07] Techrights-sec2 How likely is Mozilla to continue to exist beyond that. It already has [17:07] Techrights-sec2 more or less stopped software activities [17:08] schestowitz-TR did you say something other than that? [17:08] schestowitz-TR I only caught a glimpse and then it was gone [17:08] schestowitz-TR I assume keyboard binding or wornng window [17:08] Techrights-sec2 I presume so but I don;tthink I pressed anything relevant here; no worries [17:08] Techrights-sec2 either way [17:09] schestowitz-TR for most people the question about mozilla woulkd seem rhetorical [17:09] schestowitz-TR fore the web, it is a disaster [17:09] schestowitz-TR the forks of mozilla firefox depend on mozilla staff [17:10] Techrights-sec2 The forks won't survive long since HTTP/3 is a hot UDP mess. [17:10] Techrights-sec2 When Google pulls the plug on Mozilla, the Firefox derivatives won't get [17:10] Techrights-sec2 any secondary goodwill and certainly not any primary goodwill. [17:11] schestowitz-TR in that case, I'm glad we invest in irc, ipfs, gemini etc. [17:11] schestowitz-TR the web is becoming a very different turf and even rss feeds are not all the rage like in 2003 ish [17:12] schestowitz-TR at work, a lot of the "web sites" or "web browser" stuff we use is not web pages [17:12] schestowitz-TR it's just some widgets clung together [17:12] schestowitz-TR and we're mean to think it is cross platform [17:12] schestowitz-TR with the browser as the api [17:12] schestowitz-TR like adobe flash [17:12] schestowitz-TR it runs in some sandbox [17:13] Techrights-sec2 In 2003, things were still being decided by skilled people. [17:13] Techrights-sec2 because of javascript, web browsers are just being used as VMs anyway, [17:13] Techrights-sec2 hosting unauthenticated programs of indeterminable provenance [17:14] schestowitz-TR let me test something......... [17:15] schestowitz-TR let me test something......... [17:15] schestowitz-TR OK, I was checking to see if the prior session was terminated by ctrl+f, but no... [17:15] schestowitz-TR it doesn't matter as we lost almost nothing there, I just want to prevent that happening again [17:15] schestowitz-TR I've cleaned my feed ####################################### [17:15] schestowitz-TR # Ytalk Error # [17:15] schestowitz-TR should we do some articles on github or not yet? [17:15] Techrights-sec2 shall we switch from ytalk to something else instead? [17:16] schestowitz-TR no, I got used to ytalk, it is more than OK [17:16] schestowitz-TR just took some time getting used to [17:16] schestowitz-TR plus notificatiobs [17:16] schestowitz-TR even rianne can hear the ping and knows when I'm being talked to [17:18] schestowitz-TR going back on the (prior) topic, I wonder what to do about the web [17:18] schestowitz-TR sure, that may be connected to a lot of other things, inc. github, typescript, and mozilla [17:18] schestowitz-TR I think it's fair to say no company will "save" it [17:18] schestowitz-TR there's not enough ineria for a big change [17:18] schestowitz-TR it'll jst get more and more bloated [17:18] schestowitz-TR as mozilla gets smaller [17:18] schestowitz-TR omgubuntu shilled vivaldi this morning [17:18] schestowitz-TR I responded to that in irc, daily links, and in tuxmachines [17:18] schestowitz-TR this is getting very silly [17:18] schestowitz-TR gnu/linux is to the "omg!" brand of sites just some little "app-running" box [17:18] schestowitz-TR and to a lot of us that would seem pointless. like android... [17:19] Techrights-sec2 no company will save the web, rather it is the companies which are in their [17:19] Techrights-sec2 shortsightedness in th efinal stages of killing the web [17:19] schestowitz-TR trend: in tech good things come [17:19] schestowitz-TR like git [17:19] schestowitz-TR like svn [17:19] schestowitz-TR like cvs [17:19] schestowitz-TR and they grow [17:20] schestowitz-TR and get complicated [17:20] schestowitz-TR anbd messy politics [17:20] schestowitz-TR then they get too big or too messy [17:20] schestowitz-TR and then they impode and something replces them [17:20] schestowitz-TR that's true for mozillz [17:20] schestowitz-TR and for the web at large [17:20] Techrights-sec2 git has been a big improvement, something which comes next but with [17:20] Techrights-sec2 a far better UI would be welcome. [17:20] Techrights-sec2 Even if one sticks to basic HTML and CSS, HTML5 and CSS3 are so complicated [17:20] Techrights-sec2 that no new browser are feasible [17:22] Techrights-sec2 Those are front-ends not GUIs but the point there is that as a front end it [17:22] Techrights-sec2 still has most of the limitations of the original program. [17:22] Techrights-sec2 There is GoT which can work with Git repositories. it mightbe that the [17:22] Techrights-sec2 Git legacy will be the repository structure / format and something else [17:22] Techrights-sec2 compatible with the repositories yet with a much better UI will be [17:22] Techrights-sec2 worked out [17:25] schestowitz-TR web guis for git exist already [17:25] schestowitz-TR many of them [17:25] schestowitz-TR with git as the underlying "Engine" so to speka [17:25] schestowitz-TR but the GUIs vary [17:25] schestowitz-TR and they come with a load of stuff like databases [17:25] schestowitz-TR think of git like sqlk [17:25] schestowitz-TR *sql [17:25] schestowitz-TR gitlab etc. is like phpmysqladmin [17:25] schestowitz-TR maybe the whole modality of change control needs to change [17:25] schestowitz-TR with relational dbs many approaches were attempted [17:25] schestowitz-TR but their adoption was and is still limited [17:25] schestowitz-TR to name just the db example, there are many more [17:25] schestowitz-TR like decalarative programming and functional etc. [17:25] schestowitz-TR but for change control I think there is room for less push/pull approach [17:25] schestowitz-TR we are working like the telegram age [17:25] schestowitz-TR telegraph [17:25] schestowitz-TR email, unlike ytalk or irc, is also very telegraph-like [17:25] schestowitz-TR we assume pigeon mail [17:25] schestowitz-TR (or snail) [17:28] Techrights-sec2 ack [17:28] Techrights-sec2 git /is/ designed for concurrent editing, it is justa matter of getting [17:28] Techrights-sec2 used to the work flow. There are also several options for checking in / out [17:28] Techrights-sec2 the source from the repository [17:28] schestowitz-TR to elaborate a little [17:28] schestowitz-TR the push/pull approach has caused us hard-to-resolve conflicting edits [17:28] schestowitz-TR as you make assumptions about gaps in time [17:28] schestowitz-TR for kernel dev that might be ok [17:28] schestowitz-TR as few people work on some particular block of code at one time [17:28] schestowitz-TR like qualcomm working on the qwualcomm shit [17:28] schestowitz-TR or networking [17:28] schestowitz-TR and greg k-h plugging some bugs and backporting them [17:28] schestowitz-TR right now I have git set up to aut-pull every 10 minutes and then a tall terminal to show me the past 3-5 hours inc. the summary of chasnges [17:28] schestowitz-TR this is not how git is 'meant' to be use [17:28] schestowitz-TR it's like a timeline or notifications in social control media [17:29] Techrights-sec2 git is more efficiently used differently than that afaik [17:29] Techrights-sec2 the configuration file can be tweaked to that effect too [17:32] schestowitz-TR a few days ago I decided to change some file names [17:32] schestowitz-TR after I had changed their format and extension to gemtext [17:32] schestowitz-TR I had to look up some documentatyion for this [17:32] schestowitz-TR and still got it partly wrong [17:32] schestowitz-TR at the end I fast-forwarded [17:32] schestowitz-TR but that kind of thing should not be that hard [17:32] schestowitz-TR a universal GUI is not the solution [17:32] schestowitz-TR same for package management [17:32] schestowitz-TR I don't know what the answer is [17:32] schestowitz-TR if you experienced 10 years of frustration, like kernekl hackeers, tyou wqould know the specs of what would workm better than svn [17:32] schestowitz-TR and start prototyping it [17:32] schestowitz-TR btw, had linux not been so popular and big, and had linux not adoptded git, I doubt git would be more [17:32] schestowitz-TR tyhan just "yes another scm [17:32] schestowitz-TR *yet another [17:33] Techrights-sec2 I agree, Git was an improvement but that it was it's association with [17:33] Techrights-sec2 such an enormous, global project as Linux which propelled it to the forefront [17:33] Techrights-sec2 in short order (or any order for that matter) [17:34] schestowitz-TR a lot of new gulag "services" are absolutely shite [17:34] schestowitz-TR ugly [17:34] schestowitz-TR lacking features [17:34] schestowitz-TR toy-like [17:34] schestowitz-TR but because gulag can promote them through channels (browser, search, ads) [17:34] schestowitz-TR they tend to catch on by virtue of merely existing [17:34] schestowitz-TR even if they lose money [17:34] schestowitz-TR or don't get security basics right (Google+ [17:34] Techrights-sec2 toy-like so that "engagement" is increased as people fumble around trying [17:34] Techrights-sec2 to get it to work [17:39] Techrights-sec2 ack [17:39] schestowitz-TR btw, at 5pm here I FINISHED all my RSS feeds [17:39] schestowitz-TR refreeshed again [17:39] schestowitz-TR cleaned again [17:39] schestowitz-TR nothing [17:39] Techrights-sec2 ack [17:39] schestowitz-TR and also managed to make some posts in my site, lots in TM and TR aside from my own site [17:39] schestowitz-TR leaving some of the Gulag Noise machine behind meant I was able to focus on the key thing [17:39] schestowitz-TR rather than get annoyed by anti-Linux missives [17:39] schestowitz-TR btw, at 5pm here I FINISHED all my RSS feeds [17:39] schestowitz-TR refreeshed again [17:39] schestowitz-TR cleaned again [17:39] schestowitz-TR nothing [17:39] schestowitz-TR and also managed to make some posts in my site, lots in TM and TR aside from my own site [17:39] schestowitz-TR leaving some of the Gulag Noise machine behind meant I was able to focus on the key thing [17:39] schestowitz-TR rather than get annoyed by anti-Linux missives [17:42] schestowitz-TR Something We Did Not Have in Past Summers: a Summertime Surge of COVID-19 https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/06/16/summertime-surge-of-covid19/ [17:42] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive Something We Did Not Have in Past Summers: a Summertime Surge of COVID-19 [17:42] Techrights-sec2 ack [17:45] schestowitz-TR btw, iicymi, gulag got us ttax infusion/cash infusion through maven [17:45] schestowitz-TR you sent me a link, iirc [17:45] schestowitz-TR this problem is not limited to Microsoft [17:45] schestowitz-TR those so-called 'big tech' companies are just 'digital military cointractors' at this stage [17:45] schestowitz-TR with laughably high budget thrown their way [17:45] schestowitz-TR graft [17:45] schestowitz-TR they will fall down hard when ussr economy can no longer justify having a million living in tents [17:45] schestowitz-TR while trillions gets spent on "pet projects" of psychopahants [17:45] schestowitz-TR like mr. "catain obvious nft is scam" gates [17:46] Techrights-sec2 link? [17:46] Techrights-sec2 correct [17:46] Techrights-sec2 they seem not to care about the causes and are willing to spend giant sums [17:46] Techrights-sec2 on prosecution and incarceration as a response instead of building the economy [17:46] Techrights-sec2 what they have in place of the economy is a sham and many see through it [17:46] Techrights-sec2 but the media is onboard with the oligarchs [17:47] schestowitz-TR more people need to call them out on the "shortage" BS [17:47] schestowitz-TR and "record low unemployment" [17:47] schestowitz-TR "great resignation" [17:47] schestowitz-TR you'd think it's a nation of pyuppies and early retirees [17:47] schestowitz-TR going to the beach and sipping pina colada [17:47] Techrights-sec2 yes the shortage is not of workers but of paying jobs [17:51] schestowitz-TR case of point: patent examination [17:51] schestowitz-TR used to be a honourable profession [17:51] schestowitz-TR einstein in his days was a patebnt clerk [17:51] schestowitz-TR now they take kids out of college [17:51] schestowitz-TR and teach them to use Google "closest prior art" [17:51] schestowitz-TR like pigeons [17:51] Techrights-sec2 ack [17:51] Techrights-sec2 andy? [17:51] schestowitz-TR another case of point: mark farnell [17:51] schestowitz-TR I think I got the name wrong [17:51] schestowitz-TR yeah [17:54] schestowitz-TR soon you will have academic job desc. that take into account not publications but social [sic] media [sic] stuff [17:54] schestowitz-TR not because it is relevant [17:54] schestowitz-TR but because that can help lure students in, enrolling for the diploma mill [17:54] schestowitz-TR the few blogs I followed of scholars became inactive [17:54] schestowitz-TR I am guessing they mistook "tweets" for an equivalent activity ● Jun 16 [18:02] Techrights-sec2 ack [18:02] Techrights-sec2 the context of tweets is lost almost immediately if not sooner [18:02] Techrights-sec2 without context, they "messages" are just meaningless strings, [18:02] Techrights-sec2 the only thing lasting from that interaction is the farmed interaction itself [18:02] Techrights-sec2 ack [18:02] schestowitz-TR the loss of context is actually the worst aspect because of risk it poses [18:02] schestowitz-TR because one day you might hail gates as loving kids and then 10 years later [18:02] schestowitz-TR a sentence you said can be interpreted as... oh, shoit [18:02] schestowitz-TR he "loves" kids [18:02] schestowitz-TR or you say good things about bill cosby [18:02] schestowitz-TR or you make a joke about putin [18:02] schestowitz-TR in light of some event [18:03] schestowitz-TR that is not noted or associated with thh "tweet" [18:03] schestowitz-TR Mensch, the troll, try to apint me as antisemitic [18:03] schestowitz-TR by just doing a twitter search on my account [18:03] schestowitz-TR and then presenting things out of context [18:03] schestowitz-TR she was also picking on asange because vanishing out of politics and the net (fafaict) [18:03] schestowitz-TR tweets made years ago because subject for complaints from (i think) fsfe and ibm [18:03] schestowitz-TR osi even took down my account for a week [18:04] Techrights-sec2 I forgot the perjorative name for that kind of out of context archeology [18:04] Techrights-sec2 [18:04] schestowitz-TR quote-mining? [18:04] Techrights-sec2 yes, something like that [18:05] schestowitz-TR zemlin deleted all his tweets (iirc 4-5k of them) because he had said all sorts of shit [18:05] schestowitz-TR i did not manage to archive them [18:05] schestowitz-TR but it doesn't matter so much [18:06] schestowitz-TR the day he "steps down" will be followed by speculation [18:06] schestowitz-TR and LF-sponsored puff pieces from Christine and the coin-operated SJVN [18:06] Techrights-sec2 zemlin and deicaza and other dirt bags are special cases [18:06] Techrights-sec2 isn't deicaza due to formally change employment status with the cult he is at? [18:07] schestowitz-TR I am waiting to see what nat and de icaza do [18:07] schestowitz-TR before going ahead with the github material I have [18:07] schestowitz-TR s [18:07] schestowitz-TR some is about spouses [18:07] schestowitz-TR but publishing dirt now would feel like kicking while they're down [18:08] Techrights-sec2 SJVN still writes a few good articles per year, perhaps by accident, but [18:08] Techrights-sec2 it's not frequently enough to follow his activities [18:08] schestowitz-TR the elephant circus whom they occasionally free from the chain for a few hours [18:08] schestowitz-TR he would starve the death while experiencing freedom [18:09] Techrights-sec2 ack [18:12] Techrights-sec2 otr: circuses don't use male elephants because not only are they much stronger [18:12] Techrights-sec2 otr: they have a wicked temper and don't put up with bullshit for very long [18:12] Techrights-sec2 otr: and nearly always eventually flip out. Being smart, they can observe [18:12] Techrights-sec2 otr; people skuttling into hiding and once things settle down, systematically [18:12] Techrights-sec2 otr: drag them out of hiding and smash them; elephants are way to smart to [18:12] Techrights-sec2 otr: either eat or keep captive; there is some question remaining about [18:12] Techrights-sec2 otr: work elephants but probably, on average, those are not so great; [18:12] Techrights-sec2 otr: however, there are a lot of positive stories about work elephants [18:15] schestowitz-TR tonight will be my last shift [18:15] schestowitz-TR without nGulag Noise, this weekend will be wide open [18:15] schestowitz-TR I need to hunt for more RSS feeds of technical nature [18:15] schestowitz-TR the ones you sent include a lot of MSM like CNN [18:15] schestowitz-TR which means that I might stumble upon Pearly The Genius and [18:15] schestowitz-TR "shortage" mythology shaming the people who were robbed off their livelihood [18:15] schestowitz-TR and they should be shamed of themselves because the economy ha never been better!! [18:15] schestowitz-TR "It's just you, lazy fuck!" [18:15] Techrights-sec2 ack [18:17] schestowitz-TR us strategy (hypothesis): suck up to KSA, no matter what, and sabotage china, russia etc. [18:17] schestowitz-TR so that the debt collection never happens [18:17] schestowitz-TR it's the "zero-sum" mindset [18:17] schestowitz-TR make everything equally fucked up [18:17] schestowitz-TR and suddently you have shared pain [18:17] schestowitz-TR they sabotage technology this way [18:17] schestowitz-TR like making EVERYTHING very bloated and unworkable [18:17] Techrights-sec2 ack [18:17] Techrights-sec2 the zero-sum-game religion causes a lot of damage because 1) it is easier to [18:17] Techrights-sec2 sabotage than to build, 2) many adherents believe that by sabotaging they [18:17] Techrights-sec2 are sonehow creating a winner [18:18] schestowitz-TR "winning" is relative ;-) ;-) [18:35] schestowitz-TR What does that have to do with the Web, with Mozilla, or with Firefox? https://hacks.mozilla.org/2022/06/hacks-decoded-bikes-and-boomboxes-with-samuel-aboagye/ [18:35] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-hacks.mozilla.org | Hacks Decoded: Bikes and Boomboxes with Samuel Aboagye - Mozilla Hacks - the Web developer blog [18:36] Techrights-sec2 parts of MSIE are probably still spread throughout windoze [18:36] Techrights-sec2 and not removable [18:36] schestowitz-TR did you read last night's article from ryan? [18:36] Techrights-sec2 mozilla apparently does not do programming or development these days [18:36] Techrights-sec2 not yet. checking [18:37] Techrights-sec2 the speculative bubbles or the sonos speakers? [18:37] schestowitz-TR no, the one about MSIE [18:38] schestowitz-TR around midnight last night [18:38] schestowitz-TR in our TR blog [18:38] schestowitz-TR we reposted that [18:39] Techrights-sec2 checking [18:39] Techrights-sec2 https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/06/15/the-death-of-internet-explorer-has-been-greatly-exaggerated/ [18:39] Techrights-sec2 http://techrights.org/2022/06/15/harms-of-msie/ [18:39] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-baronhk.wordpress.com | The death of Internet Explorer has been greatly exaggerated. BaronHK's Rants [18:39] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | The Death of Internet Explorer Has Been Greatly Exaggerated | Techrights [18:49] schestowitz-TR osi has just admitted a decrease in financial turnover [18:49] schestowitz-TR good news [18:49] schestowitz-TR of course they're spinning that! [18:49] schestowitz-TR LF has not sold everything yet [18:49] schestowitz-TR like selling kernel.org to github.com [18:49] schestowitz-TR so it's still monetising the sellout or the handover [18:49] schestowitz-TR while its credibility is like campinos [18:49] Techrights-sec2 ack [18:49] Techrights-sec2 it's probably still on the list of things to do [18:52] schestowitz-TR some people sent me emails pleading for help stopping that [18:52] schestowitz-TR it was promoted, initially, by microsoft tim in the register [18:52] schestowitz-TR seems like they gave him the boot or a sign he need to take a hike [18:52] schestowitz-TR for the register I follow using rss only for 2 particxular authors [18:52] schestowitz-TR they focus on fs and gnu linux [18:52] schestowitz-TR almost all the time [18:52] schestowitz-TR so high s/n ratio [18:52] schestowitz-TR should we at some point add a flat list of rss feeds to git or never? [18:52] Techrights-sec2 probably never, since there is no real way merge that with QuiteRSS [18:53] schestowitz-TR the original thinking was, doing a diff of the output lets you see what other sides added, then add the missing ones manually [18:53] schestowitz-TR quiterss even takes whatr's in the clipboard and pre-enters it when you press "Add" [18:55] Techrights-sec2 yes QuiteRSS can read the clipboard but the opml file is the big problem [18:55] schestowitz-TR the opml also misses out a lot of info, iirc update cycle and enabled/disabled [18:55] schestowitz-TR it stores tghe tree heirarchy, name, and url for site/xml [18:55] schestowitz-TR *hierarchy [18:55] schestowitz-TR and category names [18:56] Techrights-sec2 yes, again though I can see it replacing the whole OPML file, I can't see [18:56] Techrights-sec2 merging OPML files which have diverged significantly except by hand and that [18:56] Techrights-sec2 would be a PITA and inefficient [18:58] schestowitz-TR thje script flattenes, sorts, de-duplicates these [18:58] schestowitz-TR but then, as I said, adding missing bits would be a manual process [18:58] schestowitz-TR even then, not sure if exporting and flattening would then merge OK [18:58] schestowitz-TR though I assume it would be an additive merge [18:58] Techrights-sec2 flattening loses the groupings which are what make the large volume of feeds [18:58] Techrights-sec2 tolerable or even usable [18:59] schestowitz-TR I've given up[ on the osi of doing an article on osi funding [18:59] schestowitz-TR they are already having issues [18:59] schestowitz-TR but I resent what they did to me in twitter [18:59] schestowitz-TR (of course I stopped caring about twitter since then) [18:59] Techrights-sec2 they're not going to voluntarily expose their dodgy practices ● Jun 16 [19:00] schestowitz-TR [18:30] Seems apt that OSI has put Italians in charge (3 of them), maybe we should call the OSI the "OPENWASHING MAFIA" [19:01] schestowitz-TR [18:28] OSI is passing money to Microsoft (ClearlyDefined) and is thus partly a Microsoft front group, promoting proprietary software (GitHub) [19:01] schestowitz-TR [18:29] In the Latest OSI Tax Filing (From the IRS), Filed 13 Months Ago, Only 4% of the Revenue Comes From Members (People, Not Corporations) and $252,702 Goes to Microsoft Projects (Propping Up Proprietary Software Monopoly) http://techrights.org/2021/12/30/osi-budget-for-proprietary-software-monopoly/ [19:01] schestowitz-TR [18:29] [Notice] -TechrightsBot-tr to #techrights- techrights.org | In the Latest OSI Tax Filing (From the IRS), Filed 13 Months Ago, Only 4% of the Revenue Comes From Members (People, Not Corporations) and $252,702 Goes to Microsoft Projects (Propping Up Proprietary Software Monopoly) | Techrights [19:01] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | In the Latest OSI Tax Filing (From the IRS), Filed 13 Months Ago, Only 4% of the Revenue Comes From Members (People, Not Corporations) and $252,702 Goes to Microsoft Projects (Propping Up Proprietary Software Monopoly) | Techrights [19:01] schestowitz-TR [18:29] OSI is an openwashing corruption hub [19:02] Techrights-sec2 ack [19:24] schestowitz-TR wait, I know how to present this... [19:24] schestowitz-TR without all the ethno stuff/staff and name-calling... [19:24] schestowitz-TR draft [19:24] Techrights-sec2 ack [19:24] Techrights-sec2 checking [19:24] Techrights-sec2 rather damning stats [19:25] schestowitz-TR phipps was furious when I brought this up about 4 years ago [19:25] schestowitz-TR because he could not refute it [19:25] schestowitz-TR and nobody had shown it like that [19:27] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@bqfgnjp7zjpuy.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [19:30] Techrights-sec2 he's been pushed to the side by the microsofters though hasn't he? [19:31] schestowitz-TR I don't know the "inside story" [19:31] schestowitz-TR I added some bits and published [19:32] Techrights-sec2 checking [19:33] schestowitz-TR they will die [19:33] schestowitz-TR some years ago they decided to check in by laundering money for Microsoft [19:33] schestowitz-TR it made them look "big" [19:33] schestowitz-TR but they worked against their own mission [19:33] schestowitz-TR Microsoft stands only to gain from this [19:33] Techrights-sec2 It's too bad that OSI got subverted like that. Initially it was a constructive [19:33] Techrights-sec2 organizatio but that's certainly why it got taken out [19:34] schestowitz-TR all they can do now is ad hominem libel [19:34] schestowitz-TR like insinuating facts are "homophopobic" [19:34] schestowitz-TR and then try to censor/discourage access to information [19:35] Techrights-sec2 yes ad hominem means that they have nothing factual or relevant to come back with [19:35] Techrights-sec2 they do what they can to try to instigate brigading [19:36] schestowitz-TR this is also NOT something we can avoid [19:36] schestowitz-TR anyone can make something up [19:36] schestowitz-TR or leverge lies [19:36] schestowitz-TR no matter what you do [19:36] schestowitz-TR LF replaced its "Linux" Fdn. blog with politics of perceived tolerance [19:36] schestowitz-TR I guess that makes my criticism of LF an act of racism [19:40] schestowitz-TR earlier today I saw in automated links something that was spinning something as harming trans [19:40] schestowitz-TR even though that thing had nothing to do with trans [19:40] schestowitz-TR seems like a politicial strategy for riling up online riots [19:40] schestowitz-TR I could dig up the link, I skipped it completely for this reason, [19:40] schestowitz-TR but it's not important enough [19:42] Techrights-sec2 yes it's about riling up the public and distracting them, bonus if they [19:42] Techrights-sec2 can rally a mob to brigade their targets [19:42] schestowitz-TR [23:45] Bill Gates did not SAY controversial things. He COMMITTED (DID) crimes. Guess who had a petition against him in Microsoft's GitHub and WHY... [19:42] *DaemonFC has quit (connection closed) [19:42] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@bqfgnjp7zjpuy.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [19:43] Techrights-sec2 ack ● Jun 16 [20:02] *asusbox has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [20:02] *asusbox (~rianne@hcdms2vr9hu9e.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [20:21] schestowitz-TR draft important [20:21] Techrights-sec2 checking [20:21] Techrights-sec2 3) which constitution? [20:22] schestowitz-TR it is not clear how many of them [20:22] schestowitz-TR hungary's for sure [20:22] schestowitz-TR confirmed by court [20:22] schestowitz-TR but severak others in other contexts [20:22] schestowitz-TR I can produce links if chanllenged on it [20:22] Techrights-sec2 ok [20:22] Techrights-sec2 might append "in multiple countries" if there is space [20:22] schestowitz-TR mostg coun tries never checked!! [20:27] schestowitz-TR I've looked [20:27] schestowitz-TR editing the image would not be easy [20:27] schestowitz-TR font from another pgoram [20:27] schestowitz-TR anyway, second line of defence is yielding links to support the assertation [20:27] Techrights-sec2 ok [20:27] schestowitz-TR this is a mini 'story' [20:27] schestowitz-TR I'd like to write longer pieces, but first let me get rid of my very shitty job ;) [20:28] schestowitz-TR in the past I said, [20:28] schestowitz-TR social control media is not formality [20:28] schestowitz-TR so typos are ok [20:28] schestowitz-TR but blogs get judged differently so I am more meticulous and long posts take a long time to check [20:28] schestowitz-TR now the social control media is gone [20:28] schestowitz-TR it's just informal irc [20:28] schestowitz-TR maybe for the better [20:33] Techrights-sec2 ak [20:33] Techrights-sec2 ack [20:52] schestowitz-TR making a meme now [20:52] schestowitz-TR humour helps avert a reputation opf grumpy grouch [20:52] schestowitz-TR this will address your point too [20:52] schestowitz-TR draft ● Jun 16 [21:23] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [21:23] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [21:25] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [21:25] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@5tcc2vuaj9aks.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jun 16 [22:41] *schestowitz_TR2 (~schestowitz_log@hcdms2vr9hu9e.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [22:41] schestowitz_TR2 The first two weren't bad, but then the third made me start forgetting things and having slight pain in my chest for a couple of months. [22:41] schestowitz_TR2 And I developed sleep paralysis for the first time ever since the third one. I can't say that it's what caused it, but it's suspicious and still hasn't gone away. [22:41] schestowitz_TR2 It mostly strikes when I try to get some sleep during the day and I start hallucinating that there's someone in my apartment that's broken down the door and is coming for my bedroom. [22:41] schestowitz_TR2 It's always the same, like they broke in but then they're just standing at the foot of my bed where I can't see them over the cover. [22:41] schestowitz_TR2 I hear that this exact thing is pretty common, really, with people who get a sleep paralysis episode. [22:41] schestowitz_TR2 It's crazy. It's like, you feel ridiculous even admitting to this, because it's like a five year old that goes into their mom and dad's bedroom and says the monster in the closet scared them. [22:41] schestowitz_TR2 better to talk about it here, DaemonFC [22:41] DaemonFC Ah, yeah. [22:41] schestowitz_TR2 do you think your sleep issues are connected to the booster? [22:42] *psydroid2 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [22:42] schestowitz_TR2 I don't want the peolple who don't agree with us on software and patents to call us "vaxxer" something [22:42] DaemonFC It's possible. A lot of strange things happened after the third dose, and most of it let up after a month or two. [22:42] DaemonFC Oh I'm absolutely not an anti-vaxxer. [22:42] schestowitz-TR I know [22:42] schestowitz-TR me neither [22:42] schestowitz-TR that label lost iots meaning [22:43] DaemonFC I have all of my recommended adult vaccines and if I travel, I will get my travel shots because I don't want to end up in the Philippines with yellow fever or something. [22:43] DaemonFC Well, we've never had a vaccine this rushed that performed this poorly before. [22:43] DaemonFC Even the flu shots seem to work better than this, and they don't work very well it's just what we have. [22:44] DaemonFC Now they want to pressure people into taking a flu shot and a COVID shot at the same time. [22:45] DaemonFC That way you're 20% protected from the flu and 5% protected from COVID, I guess. :P [22:45] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, All the doctor's offices want you to come in for a flu shot. And I go, "Why? So you can bill me for an office visit for something I can go make my insurance pay 100% for down at literally any pharmacy?". [22:46] DaemonFC Every chance to nickel and dime, you know? [22:46] schestowitz-TR I didn't hear about this mixing [22:46] schestowitz-TR that you speak of [22:46] schestowitz-TR but I heard doctors say they worry about flu shots now, saying these might be contaminated with COVID-19 shots [22:46] DaemonFC Yeah, Moderna is looking at combining their mRNA flu shot with their COVID shot into a combined shot. [22:46] schestowitz-TR to basically give those shot to people who do not yet trust them [22:47] DaemonFC Well, contaminated? Unlikely. But, people come in for flu shots, and the pharmacy tech grabs a COVID shot instead. [22:47] DaemonFC And then once it's in your arm, what do you do? [22:47] DaemonFC So if you go into the pharmacy, look at what they're about to inject you with before it goes in. [22:47] schestowitz-TR it's going to become an issue [22:47] schestowitz-TR they have patents on covid stuff [22:47] schestowitz-TR the flu shots don't cost as much [22:47] schestowitz-TR patents [22:48] schestowitz-TR my sister will get married and now I have a strong excuse for not attending [22:48] schestowitz-TR unless they want someone double-masked and shouting at people to stay 2 meters away :-) [22:48] schestowitz-TR and my own table ;-) [22:48] schestowitz-TR imagine what photo-taking will be like [22:49] schestowitz-TR I could come in hazmet suit [22:49] schestowitz-TR and then take photos OK [22:49] schestowitz-TR oxygen tank to last 3-5 hours [22:49] schestowitz-TR "is that your brother?" [22:50] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: earlier today in my blog I wropte about 4th shot [22:50] schestowitz-TR only about 6 months ago (dec. iirc) [22:50] schestowitz-TR they concluded a study [22:50] schestowitz-TR after they had given 4th dozen to maybe hundreds of people [22:50] schestowitz-TR and observed [22:50] DaemonFC "is that your brother?" [22:50] schestowitz-TR they came to the conclusion it did not help [22:50] DaemonFC "Emphysema!" [22:50] schestowitz-TR it's like placebo [22:51] schestowitz-TR but they did not use the term placebo, obviously [22:51] DaemonFC Yeah, the third dose didn't have a big effect either. [22:51] schestowitz-TR so to me.. [22:51] schestowitz-TR make a better vaccine [22:51] DaemonFC But the fourth one is like nothing at all. [22:51] schestowitz-TR when you're done making a GOOD vaccine [22:51] DaemonFC And they're going to start offering them at the nursing homes. [22:51] schestowitz-TR AND tested it [22:51] schestowitz-TR I may take it [22:51] schestowitz-TR just like ALL the other vaccines I took [22:51] schestowitz-TR that had been used and tested for nearly a century [22:52] schestowitz-TR inc. some vaccines a few years ago [22:52] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: go to: [22:52] schestowitz_TR2 http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/ [22:52] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com [22:53] schestowitz-TR totally not antivaxx, the exact opposite [22:53] schestowitz-TR I call our our politicians for downplaying the problem [22:53] schestowitz-TR brb [22:54] schestowitz-TR lately I've heard of sleep issue [22:54] schestowitz-TR not just from you [22:54] schestowitz-TR it's hard to "prove" any vaccine is connected to it [22:54] schestowitz-TR because not much is know [22:54] schestowitz-TR *known [22:58] DaemonFC Yeah, well, the only thing I can do about it now is not take any more. ● Jun 16 [23:08] schestowitz-TR I see you arguing in that other channel [23:08] schestowitz-TR let me ask you [23:08] schestowitz-TR if you are 60+ and take a flu shot [23:09] schestowitz-TR is there expectation of the body repelling the flu before you show symptoms? [23:09] schestowitz-TR that would be indicative of effective shots [23:09] schestowitz-TR when the body does not let the virus settle in and build up to quantity [23:09] schestowitz-TR from what I can gather, high-profile boosters (and profiteers) of the COVID shows [23:09] schestowitz-TR *shots [23:09] schestowitz-TR fails to curb COVID [23:10] schestowitz-TR and then started relying on pills and such [23:10] schestowitz-TR very expensive care [23:10] DaemonFC They have a high dose flu shot for old people. [23:10] schestowitz-TR that only they and Trump can afford [23:10] schestowitz-TR and which has nothing to do with the jabs [23:10] DaemonFC My grandmother took two flu shots. [23:10] DaemonFC One in August and one in January. [23:10] schestowitz-TR they rely on an expensive second line of denfence [23:11] schestowitz-TR in my blog you can see the latest numbers [23:11] schestowitz-TR we've gone from [23:11] schestowitz-TR "|et's eradicate this" [23:12] schestowitz-TR to [23:12] schestowitz-TR "let's stop it killing people" [23:12] schestowitz-TR to [23:12] schestowitz-TR "let's vaccine so that when we get it, which will happen, it won't send us to hospital" [23:12] schestowitz-TR "let's vaccine so that when we get it, which will happen, it won't kill us" [23:12] schestowitz-TR basically lowering our expectations of success [23:12] schestowitz-TR if we all get this shot [23:13] schestowitz-TR now they push it to kids [23:13] schestowitz-TR like that'll make a dent [23:13] schestowitz-TR it's becoming comical [23:13] schestowitz-TR I have a bunker-like setup here [23:13] schestowitz-TR with open doors and yard [23:13] schestowitz-TR i just don't get exposed to unknown people [23:13] schestowitz-TR and I should be fine like this [23:14] schestowitz-TR until the gov. figures out what the heck its covid strategy is [23:14] schestowitz-TR we'll soon exceed 200k covid-linked deaths here [23:14] schestowitz-TR it keeps growing [23:14] schestowitz-TR and from what I hear [23:14] schestowitz-TR people have side effects either from the shots or the virus [23:14] schestowitz-TR or both [23:14] schestowitz-TR so I'm not interested in either for now [23:14] schestowitz-TR I camp it out [23:15] schestowitz-TR until we know what's true and what's unadulterated marketing [23:56] *Despatche has quit (Quit: Read error: Connection reset by deer) [23:57] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [23:57] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell