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[07:10]	schestowitz-TR	In the Age of Misleading Media (the System Relies on Induced Optimism) One Must Check Medical Facts for Oneself https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2023/01/17/medical-facts/
[07:10]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive In the Age of Misleading Media (the System Relies on Induced Optimism) One Must Check Medical Facts for Oneself
[07:52]	schestowitz-TR	https://nitter.pussthecat.org/MarkBeacham/status/1615154394764394497#m
[07:52]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-nitter.pussthecat.org | Mark Beacham - VK3XB/5Z4XB/A65B (@MarkBeacham): "Ham Radio: Links 16/01/2023: Microsoft RNDIS Ejected From Linux https://ift.tt/mQiNhXz" | Nitter | PussTheCat.org
[07:52]	schestowitz-TR	https://nitter.pussthecat.org/luicito_chavez/status/1615220244431396865#m
[07:52]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-nitter.pussthecat.org | Luicito Chavez (@luicito_chavez): "techrights.org/author/schest" | Nitter | PussTheCat.org
[07:52]	techrigthssec	ack
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● Jan 17
[08:09]	schestowitz-TR	had a productive night so far
[08:09]	schestowitz-TR	ons #s will be out soon
[08:09]	techrigthssec	ack
[08:09]	schestowitz-TR	I want to compare those to prior years
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[08:37]	schestowitz-TR	seems like good news if idg cans its old sites
[08:37]	schestowitz-TR	for all i care, can all the old "content" too
[08:37]	schestowitz-TR	lots of crap in there
[08:37]	schestowitz-TR	better buried
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[09:09]	schestowitz-TR	my open office (two words) experience was so shit that I promised myself never to do it
[09:09]	schestowitz-TR	it's bad for many things inc. health
[09:20]	techrigthssec	There are countless studies showing that open plan office spaces are dreadful
[09:20]	techrigthssec	for both morale and for productivity
[09:20]	schestowitz-TR	they help create and cement BS jobs
[09:21]	techrigthssec	and, as you point out, health (through stress and germs)\
[09:21]	techrigthssec	That's the main reason they are in use still even a little bit. 
[09:23]	schestowitz-TR	people who insist they are OK "working at the office"
[09:23]	schestowitz-TR	typially turn out to be foxes in the vineyard
[09:23]	schestowitz-TR	the grapes are sour anyway
[09:23]	schestowitz-TR	iow, they're not given a choice
[09:23]	schestowitz-TR	they must be at the office x days
[09:25]	schestowitz-TR	perhaps today many at microsoft will be given indefinite "sick leave"
[09:25]	schestowitz-TR	no pay, don't bother coming back
[09:25]	techrigthssec	or unpaid "leave"
[09:26]	schestowitz-TR	no kidding, intel ireland did it blatantly and openly months ago
[09:26]	schestowitz-TR	HR gettinc "creative"
[09:52]	techrigthssec	gemini.techrights.org/2023/01/17/rebranding-plagiarism-as-hey-hi/
[09:52]	techrigthssec	who is the quote in the summary from ?
[09:52]	techrigthssec	tm-new gallery updated 
[09:53]	techrigthssec	bread crumb links modified this time
[09:53]	techrigthssec	nft -f /etc/nftables.nft to clear the black list
● Jan 17
[10:11]	schestowitz-TR	Enquiry Sent to the Office for National Statistics (ONS) Regarding 'Missing' Deaths in the United Kingdom https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2023/01/17/office-for-national-statistics-enquiry/
[10:11]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive Enquiry Sent to the Office for National Statistics (ONS) Regarding Missing Deaths in the United Kingdom
[10:13]	schestowitz-TR	fantastic work on tuxgallery
[10:13]	schestowitz-TR	so far no errors encountered!
[10:13]	schestowitz-TR	the 'tux museum' will be cheaper to keep alive this way
[10:31]	schestowitz-TR	In 2023, England and Wales Deaths More Than 22% Higher Than Pre-COVID-19 Levels https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2023/01/17/2023-and-pre-covid-19-levels/
[10:31]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive In 2023, England and Wales Deaths More Than 22% Higher Than Pre-COVID-19 Levels
[10:49]	schestowitz-TR	Week 1 Deaths in England and Wales: In 2023 a 31.2% Increase in Deaths for People Aged 15-44, 27% Increase in Deaths for People Aged 45-64 (Compared to Pre-COVID) https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2023/01/17/ons-week-1-deaths-england-and-wales-by-age/
[10:49]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive Week 1 Deaths in England and Wales: In 2023 a 31.2% Increase in Deaths for People Aged 15-44, 27% Increase in Deaths for People Aged 45-64 (Compared to Pre-COVID)
● Jan 17
[11:29]	schestowitz-TR	twitter needs a a boycott already. let it collapse. https://www.commondreams.org/news/covid-19-drugmaker-pushed-twitter-to-censor-activists-demanding-generic-vaccine | Source: Common Dreams
[11:29]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.commondreams.org | 'Deeply Sinister': Emails Reveal Big Pharma Pushed Twitter to Silence Vaccine Equity Voices
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[13:45]	techrigthssec	There are some redundant files to trim from it now but that can be done in 
[13:45]	techrigthssec	a while
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● Jan 17
[14:09]	schestowitz-TR	just had a discussion about quitting things
[14:09]	schestowitz-TR	we are now 100% mumble
[14:09]	schestowitz-TR	rianne 100% veg
[14:09]	schestowitz-TR	i'm 100% off social control media
[14:09]	schestowitz-TR	and stopped with football cold turkey
[14:09]	schestowitz-TR	there are other examples
[14:09]	schestowitz-TR	but with gulag noise I still check sometimes
[14:09]	schestowitz-TR	e.g. msft layoffs
[14:09]	schestowitz-TR	just updated a post of mine
[14:09]	schestowitz-TR	now I'm 90%+ sure it's happening
[14:09]	schestowitz-TR	azure might be impacted too
[14:10]	schestowitz-TR	"eskiko" was shilling azure BS in IRC today
[14:10]	schestowitz-TR	I was not happy about gut feeling rather than facts re azure
[14:21]	techrigthssec	Great, though confirming the layoffs first is important.  However they'kk
[14:21]	techrigthssec	do what they can to hide and misdirect and delay.
[14:21]	schestowitz-TR	they know it damages morale
[14:21]	schestowitz-TR	so we need to keep at it
[14:24]	psydruid	hence all this PR about HEY HI
[14:25]	psydruid	to mask the fact that Azure is not doing well
[14:25]	psydruid	and many people are getting fired
[14:27]	schestowitz-TR	right
[14:27]	techrigthssec	It also damages their share prices which they then have to spend/embezzle
[14:27]	techrigthssec	even more funds to pump up artificially when they do the "share repurchase"
[14:37]	techrigthssec	The have spare resources for playing with AI through the severely overprovisioned "Azure" hosting which is substa
[14:37]	techrigthssec	ntially devoid of paying clients.  
[14:37]	techrigthssec	It's probably costing them more than they can afford to have all that
[14:37]	techrigthssec	dead servers space going to waste so they might as well run ML algorithms on
[14:37]	techrigthssec	it and try to spin that as a positive in the PR and among their shills.
[14:38]	schestowitz-TR	they already shut down some datacentres
[14:38]	schestowitz-TR	but the media picked up on this
[14:38]	schestowitz-TR	and it made azure look like the failure it is
[14:38]	schestowitz-TR	they also frantically came to our irc chat
[14:38]	schestowitz-TR	after we had written repeatedly about azure layoffs
[14:39]	schestowitz-TR	to downplay what's happening
[14:39]	schestowitz-TR	lewis wrote some articles on the failure that is azure
[14:39]	schestowitz-TR	based on insiders
[14:39]	schestowitz-TR	so azure has, in effect, been converted into a plagiarism machine
[14:39]	schestowitz-TR	pay your subscription fees to do your plagiarism with Microsoft's help
[14:39]	schestowitz-TR	text... images... code
[14:39]	schestowitz-TR	plagiarism as a service as I call it
[14:39]	schestowitz-TR	the new ebuzz video mentions the media bias and omission of class action lawsuiot
[14:39]	schestowitz-TR	there is now a new lawsuit over copyrights in image "HEY HI"
[14:39]	schestowitz-TR	basically sites that help create "derivatives" of artists' good work
[14:59]	techrigthssec	The eBuzz video nails the problem, no mainstream media at all has raised any
[14:59]	techrigthssec	of the key issues.
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[15:02]	schestowitz-TR	it took me a bit of time to realise all this fake hype is part of a PR campaign
[15:02]	schestowitz-TR	one mainly one company
[15:02]	schestowitz-TR	like with "github", they hide behind other brands
[15:02]	schestowitz-TR	musk said on the recdord that 'open HEY HI had been hijacked by MSFT years ago
[15:02]	schestowitz-TR	as if "HEY HI" was a nnew thing
[15:02]	schestowitz-TR	money buys perception
[15:02]	schestowitz-TR	look up "SCIGEN"
[15:02]	schestowitz-TR	circa 2004
[15:02]	schestowitz-TR	now they say things like "Office" will have this HEY HI
[15:02]	schestowitz-TR	and "Bing"
[15:02]	schestowitz-TR	"HEY HI"
[15:02]	schestowitz-TR	try it out!!! HEY HI
[15:02]	schestowitz-TR	Bing having layoffs
[15:02]	schestowitz-TR	pixie dust "HEY HI"
[15:02]	schestowitz-TR	even nadella's head will have HEY HI
[15:02]	schestowitz-TR	of course schneier had to massively participate in the hype campaign
[15:02]	schestowitz-TR	maybe without realising he had been taken for a ride by conde nasty [sic] i.e. microsoft
[15:02]	schestowitz-TR	sam varghese wrote about this fake hype 2 days ago 
[15:08]	techrigthssec	Oh.  I may have missed Sam's article, since ITWire doesn't get checked so often
[15:08]	techrigthssec	any more. 
[15:08]	schestowitz-TR	he barely published anything anymore, like it's "seasonal"
[15:10]	schestowitz-TR	sam quoted an aexpert responding to microsoft bullshit that had been relayed by MS Schneier, iirc via
[15:10]	schestowitz-TR	Conde Nasty
[15:10]	schestowitz-TR	he links a lot to Conde and "new" Slashdot 
[15:10]	schestowitz-TR	tons of crap
[15:10]	schestowitz-TR	I sigh a lot when seeing him posting new stuff
[15:10]	schestowitz-TR	now he's shilling his book that perpetuates myths about "hacker"
[15:12]	techrigthssec	Slashdot turned to crap after the first sale and still managed to go downhill
[15:12]	techrigthssec	from there.  
[15:13]	techrigthssec	 I guess it's owned by BIZX last I can tell.  Dice and Conde Nast
[15:13]	techrigthssec	did their damage and kicked it down the road.
[15:14]	schestowitz-TR	are you sure conde nasty owned it?
[15:14]	techrigthssec	Not sure if I recall correctly
[15:15]	schestowitz-TR	i think that is not correct
[15:16]	schestowitz-TR	but dice i remember, now it's this guy logan
[15:16]	schestowitz-TR	who came to TR IRC
[15:16]	schestowitz-TR	to try to coivince us things would improve and wanted to make a good first impression
[15:16]	schestowitz-TR	i think dice was even worse tbh
[15:16]	schestowitz-TR	they activbely promoted gates lies
[15:16]	schestowitz-TR	and even employed microsoft moles
[15:16]	techrigthssec	Conde Nast still owns Ars Technica and what remains of Wired
[15:18]	techrigthssec	and "Reddit"
[15:18]	techrigthssec	At least one m$ shill seems to have been planted in Slashdot prior to the
[15:18]	techrigthssec	sale to Dice, if I recall the timing correctly.  It certainly was under 
[15:18]	techrigthssec	attack then
[15:20]	schestowitz-TR	conde used New Yorker to compel 'L'F to put Torvalds in the clinic
[15:20]	schestowitz-TR	they 'settled' on that
[15:20]	schestowitz-TR	after crazy scum mjg and his other ilk of crzzied kept libeling the man who wanted 
[15:20]	schestowitz-TR	to keep quality control and goals in check
[15:22]	schestowitz-TR	RebeccaBlackOS is hardly used by anyone. Larabel uses that to shill crappy Wayland. Hey, RebeccaBlackOS doesn't need to worry about stability and compatibility. It's a JOKE distro. For JOKERS like Phorpnix. https://www.phoronix.com/news/RBOS-January-2023
[15:22]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-RBOS Updated As The Linux Live Environment Showcasing The Latest Wayland Code - Phoronix
[15:23]	techrigthssec	It was the New Yorker article which set off the lynch mob in earnest wasn't it.
[15:24]	schestowitz-TR	a
[15:24]	schestowitz-TR	s people pointed out in LWN, New Yorker demanded action BEFORE publication
[15:24]	schestowitz-TR	then LF agreed to put aside Torvalds
[15:24]	schestowitz-TR	hence, the headline at the New Yorker reported the "outcome"
[15:24]	schestowitz-TR	so it was a work behing the scene
[15:24]	schestowitz-TR	to get Torvalds "fired"
[15:24]	schestowitz-TR	familiar?
[15:24]	schestowitz-TR	dirt digging
[15:26]	schestowitz-TR	LT became sacrificial lamb for LF
[15:26]	schestowitz-TR	to "protect" its (Microsoft) brand
[15:26]	schestowitz-TR	LF does not value the person who made the "L"
[15:26]	schestowitz-TR	unless he conforms e.g. rust (github/google)
[15:26]	schestowitz-TR	nwo there is very little resistance to lockdown and palladium inside linux
[15:26]	schestowitz-TR	don't expect LT to act better than tim bl on DRM
[15:27]	techrigthssec	scape goat actually
[15:27]	techrigthssec	He remains only as a mascot, if one goes by appearances 
[15:34]	psydruid	Gates is the master and Torvalds the puppet, at last
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[21:35]	schestowitz-TR	we've been getting perl errors, both accounts, when trying to add or update TM
[21:35]	schestowitz-TR	was anything changed on the system?
[21:35]	schestowitz-TR	it says it lacks the Capture/Tiny.pm module
[21:35]	schestowitz-TR	fixed with apk add perl-capture-tiny
[21:36]	schestowitz-TR	did you change something a few hours ago (around 7pm GMT)?
● Jan 17
[22:25]	schestowitz-TR	psydruid: MSFT layoffs
[22:25]	schestowitz-TR	think of that as a treat
[22:25]	schestowitz-TR	they're hurting
[22:25]	schestowitz-TR	let's do another round
[22:25]	psydruid	the more layoffs the better
[22:25]	schestowitz-TR	until there's no Microsoft left or very little
[22:25]	psydruid	until all employees have been laid off
[22:25]	schestowitz-TR	yeah, more is better
[22:25]	schestowitz-TR	then, if Microsoft is busted, they cannot spread windows either
[22:26]	psydruid	and the leadership has kicked the curb
[22:26]	schestowitz-TR	no microsoft crap left to spread to company
[22:26]	schestowitz-TR	companies, unis, etc.
[22:26]	psydruid	the single most malicious company ever
[22:26]	schestowitz-TR	no github :-)
[22:26]	schestowitz-TR	offline
[22:26]	schestowitz-TR	"BUT ME REPOS!!!"
[22:26]	psydruid	probably even worse than IBM in its reach
[22:26]	schestowitz-TR	"BUT MY LIKES/STARS!!"
[22:27]	psydruid	because there weren't as many computers during IBM's heyday
[22:27]	schestowitz-TR	"oh noes; azure is shutting down like codeplex"
[22:27]	psydruid	and there were more companies that competed with one another
[22:27]	schestowitz-TR	yeah
[22:27]	schestowitz-TR	concentration of power is always harmful
[22:27]	psydruid	most of them with their own Unix variant
[22:28]	schestowitz-TR	they don't need to compete as much
[22:28]	psydruid	Microsoft has really caused a race to the bottom
[22:28]	psydruid	in terms of everything to do with IT and CS
[22:29]	schestowitz-TR	exactly
[22:29]	schestowitz-TR	we've discussed it here in IRC
[22:29]	schestowitz-TR	that's not to say that no microsoft-> utopia
[22:29]	schestowitz-TR	we'll still have other perils
[22:29]	schestowitz-TR	but MSFT being like Novell (defunct) would be a step in the right direction
[22:29]	schestowitz-TR	esp. for GNU/Linux
[22:29]	schestowitz-TR	and FOSS
[22:30]	schestowitz-TR	because only one company attacks those THAT much
[22:30]	psydruid	without Microsoft sabotage and distraction constructive work can be done again
[22:30]	schestowitz-TR	yes, but there will be other barriers
[22:30]	schestowitz-TR	the other obstacles may included Gulag
[22:30]	schestowitz-TR	Gulag also doe snot like GPL
[22:30]	psydruid	Gulag is fortunately peripheral to most end user computing
[22:31]	schestowitz-TR	either way, today/tomorrow will be a good milestone
[22:31]	psydruid	and doesn't own GNU or Linux
[22:31]	schestowitz-TR	now I want to know what divisions are cut the most
[22:31]	schestowitz-TR	azure? github?
[22:31]	psydruid	no single company does
[22:31]	schestowitz-TR	windows?
[22:31]	schestowitz-TR	we'll find out soon
[22:31]	psydruid	hopefully all of them all of the time
[22:32]	schestowitz-TR	it's a momentum thing
[22:32]	schestowitz-TR	once you cut it gets worse
[22:32]	schestowitz-TR	like, fire windows devs
[22:32]	schestowitz-TR	and Windows Update introduces more bugs
[22:32]	schestowitz-TR	so people cannot reboot
[22:32]	schestowitz-TR	or lose file
[22:32]	schestowitz-TR	and that leds Windows down some death spiral
[22:32]	schestowitz-TR	if the corrupt media will start covering GNU/Linux
[22:32]	schestowitz-TR	instead of pretending the choice is about WHICH VERSIOn of Windows
[22:33]	psydruid	what made it clear to me that there is no way back is that the various incarnations of Windows Phone are dead and buried
[22:33]	psydruid	if it was so easy they could have just recompiled all applications and owned the "smartphone" market too
[22:34]	schestowitz-TR	microsoft seldom announes something is dead
[22:34]	schestowitz-TR	with atom editor they said "sunsetting"
[22:34]	psydruid	but they were greedy and paranoid so they launched several incompatible versions
[22:34]	schestowitz-TR	silverlight, zune....
[22:34]	psydruid	they should have stuck with a pure ARM port of desktop Windows
[22:35]	schestowitz-TR	msft layoffs bad news for amd and intel
[22:35]	psydruid	but their stupidity is our gain
[22:35]	schestowitz-TR	bad news for larabel
[22:36]	psydruid	once you have applications running on your operating system it becomes a juggernaut
[22:36]	psydruid	which is why free software is unstoppable
[22:36]	psydruid	everything gets updates to work together all the time
[22:37]	psydruid	larabel will cling to ARM or whatever replaces Intel and AMD
[22:41]	schestowitz-TR	anyway, just told rianne
[22:41]	schestowitz-TR	she is happy about this whole thing
[22:41]	schestowitz-TR	"good job, lads!"
[22:41]	schestowitz-TR	let's do another round of demolition at Microsoft
[22:42]	psydruid	https://illumos.org/docs/contributing/qds/
[22:42]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-illumos.org | Quality Death Spiral - illumos
[22:42]	schestowitz-TR	psydruid: larabel is already in deep s***
[22:42]	schestowitz-TR	if you check his appeals for money
[22:42]	schestowitz-TR	as it's harder to break even with these energy prices
[22:43]	schestowitz-TR	i need phoronix... for links about kernel dev
[22:43]	schestowitz-TR	just the links
[22:43]	schestowitz-TR	as nobody else daoes that
[22:43]	schestowitz-TR	15 years ago a site called KernelTrap did that
[22:43]	schestowitz-TR	it requires deepm kernel knowledge
[22:43]	schestowitz-TR	LWN is not very active
[22:43]	psydruid	if you sell out like he has done and you still can't pay the bills, you may be doing something wrong
[22:43]	schestowitz-TR	maybe an article per day only
[22:44]	psydruid	I don't really follow LWN or Phoronix for kernel stuff
[22:44]	psydruid	I read the O'Reilly books about 15 years ago
[22:44]	psydruid	I need to read modern ones
[22:45]	psydruid	to get an idea of the current state
[22:45]	schestowitz-TR	linux is... weird
[22:45]	schestowitz-TR	let me explain
[22:45]	schestowitz-TR	linux has a "core"
[22:45]	schestowitz-TR	that is not THAT big
[22:45]	schestowitz-TR	they cull old code
[22:45]	schestowitz-TR	but a lot of the code is vendor-specific
[22:46]	schestowitz-TR	and nobody except one or few companies know it
[22:46]	schestowitz-TR	so something like schedular evolves
[22:46]	schestowitz-TR	but a lot of the code is in things like massive drivers for GPUs
[22:46]	schestowitz-TR	*scheduler
[22:46]	schestowitz-TR	so you never really know "Linux"
[22:46]	schestowitz-TR	then you have massive drivers for hypervisors
[22:47]	psydruid	you can only know a part of Linux and then it keeps moving forward (or backward)
[22:51]	schestowitz-TR	yes, notice con kolivas is no longer bothering
[22:51]	schestowitz-TR	he said it had grown too big
[22:52]	psydruid	I don't bother, even though I know my way around the code
[22:52]	psydruid	and I have no plans to take up a Linux kernel developer job
[22:53]	psydruid	even though ARM offered me one a few years ago to work on Linux/KVM
[22:54]	psydruid	there is just too much BS going around in that community
[22:55]	schestowitz-TR	not sure
[22:55]	schestowitz-TR	it can pay well
[22:55]	schestowitz-TR	and if you like c, it's not a bad career=
[22:56]	schestowitz-TR	linux won't go away any time soon
[22:56]	schestowitz-TR	I could probably become a linux developers
[22:56]	schestowitz-TR	because it's in c
[22:56]	psydruid	I'm not interested
[22:56]	schestowitz-TR	but... steep learning curve
[22:56]	schestowitz-TR	git mailing lists, structure, APIs
[22:56]	schestowitz-TR	and even then your patches might be considered "risky"
[22:56]	schestowitz-TR	and thus not pushed
[22:57]	schestowitz-TR	so you can spend months working on just a patch ~1000 lines of code
[22:57]	schestowitz-TR	testing and refining it
[22:57]	psydruid	just too much red tape for me to feel productive
[22:57]	schestowitz-TR	at that point,
[22:57]	schestowitz-TR	several linux releases were out
[22:57]	schestowitz-TR	like 6.0, 6.1
[22:57]	schestowitz-TR	with "rust now available"
[22:57]	schestowitz-TR	so you're always chasing yesterday's kernel
[22:58]	schestowitz-TR	and your code becomes obsolete a few years later
[22:58]	psydruid	but it might be a good job for you, if you are interested
[22:58]	psydruid	I think you just focus on a specific subsystem
[22:59]	psydruid	and yes, it will become obsolete and be in need of updating
[22:59]	psydruid	but that's what you get paid for
● Jan 17
[23:00]	psydruid	I might end up at CapGemini in the short term while working on my plans for the longer term
[23:01]	schestowitz-TR	arm had MANY layofgs
[23:01]	psydruid	I've finally been seriouslu learning web programming for the past few days on freecodecamp.org
[23:01]	schestowitz-TR	one third iirc
[23:01]	schestowitz-TR	*layoffs
[23:01]	psydruid	seriously*
[23:02]	psydruid	that's why I learned ARM assembly and immediately after RISC-V
[23:03]	psydruid	now anything I write for ARM I port it to RISC-V soon after
[23:04]	schestowitz-TR	iirc, that codecamp has microsoft boosters
[23:04]	schestowitz-TR	if that's the site i removed from rss
[23:04]	psydruid	the biggest burden will be porting things back to x86
[23:04]	psydruid	probably
[23:04]	psydruid	but I'm concerned about learning stuff, I couldn't care much about the site itself
[23:05]	psydruid	so far I haven't come across anything Microsoft-specific
[23:06]	schestowitz-TR	Larabel: AMD is sending me dozens of expensive CPUs (list here is just Ryzen series, not EPYC) https://www.phoronix.com/review/intel-core-i5-13400/2
[23:06]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Intel Core i5 13400 Linux Performance - Raptor Lake 10 Cores / 16 Threads For $239 Review - Phoronix
[23:06]	schestowitz-TR	maybe they sent him over 100 by now
[23:06]	schestowitz-TR	but EPYC is the jewel
[23:07]	schestowitz-TR	sure, overpriced
[23:07]	schestowitz-TR	but you can offload them in ebay for 5k apiece
[23:07]	schestowitz-TR	and I doubt he truly needs that many
[23:07]	psydruid	the jewel of the nile
[23:07]	schestowitz-TR	AMD reckons it's cheap to send loads of these
[23:07]	schestowitz-TR	then he starts peddling AMD Pluton
[23:07]	schestowitz-TR	and clown
[23:07]	psydruid	maybe no one else wants them
[23:07]	schestowitz-TR	(azure)
[23:08]	schestowitz-TR	yes, they are overpriced
[23:08]	psydruid	AMD and Intel are caught in between
[23:08]	schestowitz-TR	maybe they have excess stock now
[23:08]	psydruid	lots of competitors are coming up now
[23:08]	schestowitz-TR	as a business, I'd not spend $10,000 just for a CPU
[23:08]	schestowitz-TR	even 120+ cores
[23:09]	psydruid	they're essentially a legacy product for running an obsolete and irrelevant operating system
[23:09]	schestowitz-TR	i worked with companies that had CPUs like these
[23:09]	schestowitz-TR	and like 90% of the time nothing runs on them
[23:09]	schestowitz-TR	overprovisioned to the extreme
[23:09]	schestowitz-TR	and if they run something they need fast
[23:09]	schestowitz-TR	it might finish minutes/hours later
[23:10]	schestowitz-TR	then idling for a day
[23:10]	schestowitz-TR	so it's uneconomic
[23:10]	schestowitz-TR	better to have several low powered machines
[23:10]	schestowitz-TR	you can turn them off when you don't need them
[23:10]	psydruid	people will need fewer and fewer of them
[23:10]	schestowitz-TR	last year I started to turn off my screens when afk
[23:10]	schestowitz-TR	due to rising costs of energy
[23:10]	psydruid	that's what I do at home
[23:10]	psydruid	when I don't need much -> ARM
[23:11]	psydruid	when I need more compute power -> x86 laptop (up to 3/4)
[23:12]	psydruid	in the clown they are supposed to run at 90% capacity at all time
[23:14]	psydruid	they can ask $10,000 due to monopoly rents
[23:14]	psydruid	as was mentioned earlier here
[23:15]	schestowitz-TR	right
[23:15]	psydruid	when they have to compete on equal footing prices will have to drop
[23:15]	schestowitz-TR	they might say "R&d"
[23:15]	schestowitz-TR	code for "patents"
[23:15]	schestowitz-TR	or ripoff
[23:15]	psydruid	GNU/Linux is the big equaliser
[23:15]	schestowitz-TR	but those dies don't cost much to make
[23:15]	schestowitz-TR	they overcharge
[23:15]	schestowitz-TR	and with so many cores I'd struggle to find use
[23:15]	schestowitz-TR	even video processing
[23:15]	schestowitz-TR	you finish faster
[23:15]	schestowitz-TR	and then what???
[23:15]	schestowitz-TR	I run ffmpeg nice'd
[23:16]	psydruid	I would only ever buy and run one for a private clown
[23:16]	schestowitz-TR	my PCs are under-utilised already
[23:16]	schestowitz-TR	atm I use 4 of them
[23:16]	psydruid	to let many developers and users access it at the same time
[23:16]	schestowitz-TR	with 8 screens
[23:16]	schestowitz-TR	with two raspi working in the background
[23:16]	schestowitz-TR	one does almost nothing
[23:16]	schestowitz-TR	shows weather and recipes
[23:18]	schestowitz-TR	Phoronix is an Apple site today? https://www.phoronix.com/news/Apple-M2-Pro-M2-Max relevance to Linux? NOTHING.
[23:18]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Apple Launches The M2 Pro & M2 Max + New Mac Mini With M2 / M2 Pro - Phoronix
[23:19]	psydruid	I bought a cheap used Sun SPARC rack server years ago for testing Linux at about the same time I bought my first ARM SBC and an old Powermac G5
[23:20]	psydruid	after a few years all that expensive hardware ends up on eBay
[23:22]	schestowitz-TR	i no longer use arm on here
[23:22]	schestowitz-TR	the arm machine I gave to rianne
[23:22]	schestowitz-TR	she uses two arm machines now
[23:22]	schestowitz-TR	i used to have 5 laptops here
[23:22]	schestowitz-TR	now it's done to 4, with 8 screens, not 9 or 10
[23:22]	schestowitz-TR	it was too much anyway
[23:22]	schestowitz-TR	I consolidated a bit
[23:23]	schestowitz-TR	rianne now uses 3 machines, I use 4+1 (pi)
[23:23]	schestowitz-TR	and the power bills are not insane at all
[23:24]	psydruid	power consumption is one of the main criteria now
[23:25]	psydruid	I optimize for that when the performance is already adequate
[23:25]	schestowitz-TR	we even pay less than before
[23:25]	schestowitz-TR	because of the gov. scheme
[23:25]	schestowitz-TR	66 a month
[23:25]	psydruid	and that will get more important over time
[23:26]	schestowitz-TR	psydruid: my scarcity is time
[23:26]	schestowitz-TR	and more screens can save time
[23:26]	psydruid	I want to minimise my bills and get the best performance while doing so
[23:26]	schestowitz-TR	so I don't need to move between virtual desktops
[23:26]	schestowitz-TR	CPU power is not the scarcity
[23:26]	schestowitz-TR	video processing is the only very heavy task here
[23:27]	schestowitz-TR	takes up maybe 1-2 hours per day on just one machine
[23:27]	schestowitz-TR	and next month we should get fibre 
[23:27]	psydruid	if I do need more performance I start one of the fast laptops
[23:32]	schestowitz-TR	20 years ago with fedora and suse... wake on lan
[23:32]	schestowitz-TR	with sleep or hibernationm
[23:32]	schestowitz-TR	so you can access lab machines overnight
[23:32]	schestowitz-TR	using nfs
[23:32]	schestowitz-TR	and then run simulations on whole clusters of computers
[23:33]	schestowitz-TR	for the CPU capacity
[23:33]	schestowitz-TR	was very common even then
[23:33]	schestowitz-TR	for my phd I needed to run very big jobs
[23:38]	psydruid	I'll see what I can do in the future
[23:39]	psydruid	but I don't know what the future will bring