●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Sunday, October 17, 2021 ●● ● Oct 17 [00:59] *techrights_guest|95 (~5198ef1a@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 17 [01:18] *blitzed has quit (Quit: +++ATH0&D2 NO CARRIER NO CAREER) [01:21] *altlink_e60 has quit (connection closed) [01:21] *altlink_26f (~altlink_26f@2f7u5j6f87p9g.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [01:24] *blitzed (~blitzed@h989xkqa6uvfs.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [01:35] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:35] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:39] *rianne (~rianne@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [01:40] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [01:41] *liberty_box (~liberty@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [01:41] *Despatche has quit (Quit: Read error: Connection reset by deer) [01:48] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@4dmq7treiu6e6.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [01:49] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) ● Oct 17 [02:02] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@4dmq7treiu6e6.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [02:20] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [02:21] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [02:38] *DaemonFC has quit (connection closed) [02:38] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@4dmq7treiu6e6.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [02:42] *rianne (~rianne@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [02:42] *liberty_box (~liberty@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 17 [03:16] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [03:27] *MinceR has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [03:33] *MinceR (~mincer@bringer.of.light) has joined #boycottnovell [03:33] *irc.techrights.org sets mode +a #boycottnovell MinceR [03:36] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@msr5b63q5iht2.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [03:42] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [03:48] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@6ezvid7v33bfq.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [03:50] *MinceR has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [03:51] *MinceR (~mincer@bringer.of.light) has joined #boycottnovell [03:51] *irc.techrights.org sets mode +a #boycottnovell MinceR [03:53] *DaemonFC has quit (connection closed) [03:54] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@4u6eaacr4tpai.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 17 [04:03] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [04:03] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Oct 17 [06:07] *DaemonFC has quit (connection closed) ● Oct 17 [07:40] *techrights_guest|95 has quit (Quit: Connection closed) ● Oct 17 [08:22] *liberty_box (~liberty@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [08:22] *rianne (~rianne@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [08:59] *spazzz has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Oct 17 [09:00] *spazzz (~spazz@urifce6zxwtdi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 17 [10:43] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [10:44] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Oct 17 [12:01] *rianne (~rianne@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [12:01] *liberty_box (~liberty@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [12:11] *activelow has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [12:11] *activelow (~activelow@cqjpy6v75mdaq.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [12:13] *wallacer has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [12:35] *wallacer (~quassel@6bsu33ajs4zs4.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [12:51] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@cqggrmwgu7gji.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 17 [13:05] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [13:05] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [13:08] *rianne (~rianne@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [13:08] *liberty_box (~liberty@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [13:47] schestowitz-TR2 what do you make of El Reg? [13:53] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [13:53] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Oct 17 [14:00] *rianne (~rianne@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [14:01] *liberty_box (~liberty@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [14:34] schestowitz-TR2 El Reg was very good back in its day. But that ended in 2002 or 2003, [14:34] schestowitz-TR2 when they signed the partnership with M$. Then in recent years they [14:34] schestowitz-TR2 were starting to show signs of partial recovery but of late I really avoid [14:34] schestowitz-TR2 them. They're not as bad as ZDNet but not worth the effort to look at still. [14:35] schestowitz-TR2 yes, I can relate. btw, I've just watched https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Hce1SR48f34 to better understand that twitter mob that Pieter Hitjens was complaining about (same one that tries to have a go at GNU and Linux) [14:35] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-yewtu.be | Dave Chappelle - Daphane Story (The Closer) - Invidious [14:36] schestowitz-TR2 tl;dr they even kill their own [14:38] Techrights-sec El Reg was very good back in its day. But that ended in 2002 or 2003, [14:38] Techrights-sec when they signed the partnership with M$. Then in recent years they [14:38] Techrights-sec were starting to show signs of partial recovery but of late I really avoid [14:38] Techrights-sec them. They're not as bad as ZDNet but not worth the effort to look at still. [14:38] Techrights-sec yep it's about tearing down, nothing more nothing less [14:38] Techrights-sec IMO it's all about them finding people or things that can be torn down [14:38] Techrights-sec for no other reason than it is possible to do so. [14:38] schestowitz-TR2 rianne: "because they are miserable" [14:40] Techrights-sec that too; misery loves company; but if one wants to be thoughtful about them, [14:40] Techrights-sec it is important to consider that they are just being used as catspaw [14:44] schestowitz-TR2 should we do a sort of partial boycott of el reg, wherein the only exception is when they cover Linux (with The Guardian, that too never happens) [14:45] schestowitz-TR2 side note (not the main issue): months ago they redid theit site in a way that 'spams' Google News by SEO, in effect adding to article portions from other (totally unrelated) articles, so they flood my feeds [14:46] Techrights-sec I'm ok with that. I already avoid it completely. [14:46] schestowitz-TR2 to avoid temptation to link I need to figure out a way to not even see it [14:48] Techrights-sec Ok. I checked and I've linked to it a few times in recent years but will [14:48] Techrights-sec ignore it now. Should I add it to my reminder script about bullshit sites? [14:48] schestowitz-TR2 Sometimes they do good coverage. What I worry about is, they do lots of paid-for SPAM and Microsoft churnalism. Linking to the site fuels the latter. [14:51] Techrights-sec If they've become churnalism then the occasional decent story is only [14:51] Techrights-sec bait in the trap. [14:51] schestowitz-TR2 same thing in 'tech' republic [14:53] Techrights-sec Yes, quite a few do that. Outside of tech it's common, too. One of many [14:53] Techrights-sec would be The Guardian. They cover certain topics regularly with care, but [14:53] Techrights-sec then only use that to attract an audience which they then subject to [14:53] Techrights-sec propaganda on certain topics. [14:54] schestowitz-TR2 That's not common knowledge sadly, maybe I'll mention that in passing some day; all my videos are EPO-focused now, as it's something quite timeless and unique [14:54] Techrights-sec ^certain other topics [14:57] *Despatche (~desp@u3xy9z2ifjzci.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [14:57] Techrights-sec EPO and the fight against software patents are where TR is unique for the [14:57] Techrights-sec moment, and probably where the best ROI can be found on effort. [14:57] schestowitz-TR2 soon shithub too... :-) ● Oct 17 [15:09] Techrights-sec GitHub is another problem it was only half bad at first but after it got [15:09] Techrights-sec bought out / sold out then it is all bad. I figure it was a defensive [15:09] Techrights-sec maneuver by M$ to also gain surveillance over competitors, but more to [15:09] Techrights-sec shut them down and control them. Similar to Mojang. They'll never [15:09] Techrights-sec recover that money but they did shut down a gateway for kids to learn about [15:09] Techrights-sec GNU/Linux and the very existence of non-M$ systems. [15:09] Techrights-sec M$ itself is only about 4/5 of the problem. On top of what it does itself, [15:09] Techrights-sec there is also the fact that various nation states exploit it as a vehicle [15:09] Techrights-sec for nefarious works. [15:09] Techrights-sec Hence the continued bailouts via "contracts", like JEDI. [15:49] activelow github/git succeeded because it offered decent services, and was acquired because of it [15:50] activelow and that's why probably many won't leave github, and even without an account there most gnu/linux systems pull their sources from, github [15:52] activelow at least git is agnostic towards the web service hoster [15:53] schestowitz-TR2 activelow: it's a trap [15:53] schestowitz-TR2 run at a loss [15:53] schestowitz-TR2 to sell CPU power [15:53] schestowitz-TR2 subsidised [15:53] schestowitz-TR2 to be a trap [15:53] schestowitz-TR2 that's more of a reason to abandon it [15:53] activelow github is more important than facebook, imo [15:53] schestowitz-TR2 you're riding a trap if you are there [15:54] schestowitz-TR2 "ohh, the water is warm here" [15:54] schestowitz-TR2 then it boiled [15:54] schestowitz-TR2 activelow: both are harmful [15:54] activelow at least a git repo can be cloned to anywhere else desired [15:54] schestowitz-TR2 the word "important" begs the question, "who to?" [15:54] schestowitz-TR2 activelow: that does not make it benign [15:55] schestowitz-TR2 you could also wget some zip file [15:55] schestowitz-TR2 under-playing the threat is risky [15:55] schestowitz-TR2 this is why we'll do a long series ● Oct 17 [16:00] activelow schestowitz-TR2: i consider the situation worse when subversion/cvs dominated, because their repos couldn't not be cloned [16:00] schestowitz-TR2 maybe but... [16:00] schestowitz-TR2 we already have other git hosts [16:00] activelow could not be cloned, with svn/cvs a server shut down removed the entire project history, not so with git [16:00] schestowitz-TR2 techrights has that in gemini [16:00] schestowitz-TR2 do you want is downloadable over gemini? [16:01] schestowitz-TR2 gemini is bad at large files [16:04] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [16:04] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [16:06] *rianne (~rianne@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [16:07] activelow schestowitz-TR2: i signed up with github before microsoft acquired it, and i'll terminate the account, yes. but i will do so because i consider the entire tech industry hostile, not only microsoft. [16:07] *liberty_box (~liberty@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [16:07] schestowitz-TR2 activelow: you are correct [16:07] schestowitz-TR2 we need to go back to basics [16:07] schestowitz-TR2 and build it back up properly [16:07] schestowitz-TR2 like, no DRM in hypertext [16:07] schestowitz-TR2 no 'secure' boot [16:07] schestowitz-TR2 it's YOUR computer [16:11] *activelow has quit (Quit: ttyl) [16:17] *activelow (~activelow@hngsz54a2nzc6.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 17 [17:53] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [17:53] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [17:53] *liberty_box (~liberty@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [17:53] *rianne (~rianne@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [17:58] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@m5zeaqc3kavpg.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 17 [19:35] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) ● Oct 17 [20:41] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@zgpii63xn2s5s.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 17 [22:10] *psydroid2 has quit (connection closed)