●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Saturday, June 18, 2022 ●● ● Jun 18 [00:35] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [00:36] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jun 18 [01:43] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [01:43] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [01:58] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [01:59] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jun 18 [04:26] schestowitz-TR FSF wrote only 1 blog post in the past 16 days. It is this one :/ https://www.fsf.org/blogs/gnu-press/beat-the-heat-with-gnu-summer-swag [04:28] schestowitz-TR I think FSF wastes far too much time on social control media (it could blog instead), which is disposable and a poor outlet for outreach. To me, their use of Twitter sends a confusing message... [04:57] schestowitz-TR Jimmy Savile's protectors, who now take bribes from Bill Gates to cover up what he did with Jeffrey Esptein, use Microsoft shill "Rob Enderle" as an "expert". BBC is corrupt beyond repair. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/busin Jimmy Savile's protectors, who now take bribes from Bill Gates to cover up what he did with Jeffrey Esptein, use Microsoft shill "Rob Enderle" as an "expert". BBC is corrupt beyond [04:57] schestowitz-TR repair. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-61742884ess-61742884 ● Jun 18 [05:27] *Despatche (~desp@u3xy9z2ifjzci.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jun 18 [07:10] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) ● Jun 18 [08:34] schestowitz-TR i think activelow is back with a new nym [08:34] schestowitz-TR but I am not sure [08:34] schestowitz-TR I will know for wusre when he says "of cause!" [08:34] Techrights-sec2 ack [08:41] Techrights-sec2 are there any groups following and/or fighting M$ misrepresentation of [08:41] Techrights-sec2 topics inside Wikipedia or the Wikimedia universe in general? [08:41] schestowitz-TR good question, but nothing I know of [08:41] schestowitz-TR you won't like me saying it, but the problem is much more vast than Microsoft [08:41] schestowitz-TR and wikipedia interference is not limited to the private sector [08:41] schestowitz-TR I've grown unhappy esp. when it comes to nonscience articles [08:41] schestowitz-TR or political subjects [08:41] schestowitz-TR you don't get the full picture at all [08:41] schestowitz-TR even the rerefrences are accordinfgly biased [08:41] schestowitz-TR and OSI says remove the references that are "homophobic" (they're not) [08:41] schestowitz-TR so I basically assume wikipedia will stagnate [08:41] schestowitz-TR victim of its own perceived importantce [08:41] schestowitz-TR russia/putin already blocks it [08:41] schestowitz-TR at least partly [08:42] schestowitz-TR rather than try to "fix it" [08:42] schestowitz-TR which would not work because we known who owns and controls wikipedia [08:42] schestowitz-TR it's a platform control and centraliusation issue, same for twitter and SandbergBook [08:42] Techrights-sec2 Oh, I understand that, and I have questions about the viability of Wikipedia's [08:42] Techrights-sec2 very nature, but since it's there, it has to be dealt with one way or another. [08:42] Techrights-sec2 There are no non-political subjects these days. [08:42] Techrights-sec2 especially in regards to technology since computers are about control: [08:42] Techrights-sec2 either people control their computers or their computers control them [08:42] Techrights-sec2 and there are many monied interests that are attracted to the power that [08:42] Techrights-sec2 would be concentrated in their hands as fewer systems control more people [08:43] schestowitz-TR that is true [08:43] schestowitz-TR you put it succinctly enough [08:43] schestowitz-TR should we do an article to that effect, with focus on wikipedia? [08:44] Techrights-sec2 ok [08:44] Techrights-sec2 the above is mostly just a paraphrase of what RMS has said many times [08:44] Techrights-sec2 perhaps there is a relevant page from his writings that could be quoted [08:45] schestowitz-TR I think it would be better not to name wikipedia or microsoft [08:45] schestowitz-TR excepot as examples [08:45] schestowitz-TR but to focus on the underlying problem and maybe the Internet [08:45] schestowitz-TR I work for a very dumb company (as in, management) and they will never "get" it [08:46] schestowitz-TR you mention RMS writings [08:46] schestowitz-TR on this particular topic, like misinformation, I don't think he wrote much nor does he specialise (nor do we) [08:46] schestowitz-TR but on this topic a better authority might be that mozorov (guessing the name, cannot remember) from eastern europe [08:46] schestowitz-TR who wrote about misuse of tech by authocrats [08:47] Techrights-sec2 he wrote a lot about who should control the computer [08:47] Techrights-sec2 that goes back to even his GNU Manifesto days [08:48] schestowitz-TR wikipedia (or similar) are less about conrol of the computer [08:48] schestowitz-TR buit control over information and its dissemination [08:48] schestowitz-TR related issue, but not the same [08:48] schestowitz-TR you could download wikipedia and edit it locally [08:48] schestowitz-TR that would still not tackle the issue of the upstream "project" distributing revisionism [08:49] Techrights-sec2 right [08:51] schestowitz-TR wikileaks = originally a wiki [08:51] schestowitz-TR then editorially controlled [08:51] schestowitz-TR with some drupal aat the core, IIRC [08:51] schestowitz-TR wikileaks = we have raw information, let's collaborate on interpretatioin and dissemination [08:51] Techrights-sec2 ack [08:51] schestowitz-TR governments did not have edit privs like in wikipedia [08:51] schestowitz-TR the cloest they could get is moles ● Jun 18 [09:13] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [09:13] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [09:17] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [09:18] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [09:35] *Despatche has quit (Quit: Read error: Connection reset by deer) [09:46] schestowitz-TR BBC, bribed by Jeffrey Epstein's enabler Bill Gates and run by Microsoft UK, uses the Microsoft lobbying term "big tech" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-61817647 [09:46] schestowitz-TR Microsoft: let's stop talking about crimes of corporations and instead about the size of corporations ("big tech"). Also Microsoft: people don't dislike Microsoft because of Microsoft's crime and corruption, they just envy is size and "success" ● Jun 18 [10:12] Techrights-sec2 ack [10:12] Techrights-sec2 notice how every last article about MSIE glossed over the anti-competive [10:12] Techrights-sec2 practices with which it is inexorably intertwined with, along with the points [10:12] Techrights-sec2 brought up by Ryan in the guest post about it not really being removed. [10:12] Techrights-sec2 It looks like the narrative they are trying to cultivate is that M$ has [10:12] Techrights-sec2 moved on and turned a new leaf or some such utter bullshit [10:14] schestowitz-TR thjey also cultivate enderle as [buzzword] expert [10:14] schestowitz-TR the media when bribed is not journalism [10:15] Techrights-sec2 yes they try to pretend that; he is just another say-for-pay M$ shill and [10:15] Techrights-sec2 one of the more dyed-in-the-wool forms of shill at that [10:15] Techrights-sec2 IIRC he had officially retired several times already [10:15] Techrights-sec2 stenography and press releases are not journalism [10:15] Techrights-sec2 nor are M$ talkin points [10:16] schestowitz-TR MS Jack does semm to have retrired for good [10:20] schestowitz-TR Assange helped show what's wrong with social control media (he borrowed this term from me!). It was weaponised against him by making up totally bogus scandals or inciting online mobs/groups (tribalism) against him, based on fabrication, giving many people different reasons to hate a man who helped expose corruption and war crimes [10:27] Techrights-sec2 ack [10:27] Techrights-sec2 s/reasons/false reasons/ [10:30] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [10:30] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [10:38] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [10:39] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jun 18 [11:08] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@v7m22hv8ygm4e.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [11:58] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [11:58] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) ● Jun 18 [12:03] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [12:03] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@5tcc2vuaj9aks.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [12:05] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jun 18 [13:36] schestowitz-TR Michigan https://www.techdirt.com/2022/06/17/michigan-starts-dismantling-its-forfeiture-reforms-to-make-it-easier-to-steal-cash-from-people-at-airports/ | Source: Techdirt [13:37] schestowitz-TR just went out for exercise [13:37] schestowitz-TR about 1.5 hours walk [13:37] schestowitz-TR came back with ~20 kg [13:37] schestowitz-TR inc. new large aquarium for the fish [13:37] Techrights-sec2 nice [13:37] Techrights-sec2 how many liters in size? [13:38] schestowitz-TR almost 20 [13:38] schestowitz-TR with filters [13:38] schestowitz-TR glass exterior [13:38] schestowitz-TR the older tank can be used for tratment [13:38] schestowitz-TR the fish are small [13:38] Techrights-sec2 larger are easier to maintain, their more stable but you have some experience [13:38] Techrights-sec2 with fish now [13:38] Techrights-sec2 ^they're [13:40] schestowitz-TR how the idea came about is is own storyt [13:40] schestowitz-TR the excuse was an anniversary [13:40] schestowitz-TR but there's more to it [13:40] schestowitz-TR I was not happy with the pet store [13:40] schestowitz-TR went to another large chain [13:40] Techrights-sec2 ack [13:40] schestowitz-TR the pet store puts some fancy fish in little prisons [13:40] schestowitz-TR and some of them look dead [13:40] schestowitz-TR I cannot forgive them for it , it is unnecessarily cruel [13:43] schestowitz-TR prior to the loss of wifi on the pi (kernel issue; that's also why the throttling script stopped working afaik) [13:43] schestowitz-TR the lights on the pi gave them some entertainment [13:43] schestowitz-TR depending on the traffic LOL! [13:43] schestowitz-TR the lights still work [13:43] schestowitz-TR but they are near the router with a wired connection [13:43] Techrights-sec2 that's strange about the wifi on the RPi [13:43] Techrights-sec2 :) [13:48] schestowitz-TR thebackstory is [13:48] schestowitz-TR a) I had extra time (just the wikipedia article to do tolday) [13:48] schestowitz-TR b) wanted to "take a hiuke" walk) [13:48] schestowitz-TR while upstairs I thought of rianne feeding fish in the canal [13:48] schestowitz-TR d) when feeding the fish I saw signes of aging in the 10-year-old tank [13:48] schestowitz-TR 3) they turn one soon, in retrospect [13:48] schestowitz-TR so taking some of these combined, I decided to do a little traip with shopping as a perk [13:48] schestowitz-TR didn't imagine it would be so heavy, expected not to sweat at all [13:48] schestowitz-TR 16 degrees outside [13:48] schestowitz-TR at some point the OS on the pi will work as expecdted again [13:48] schestowitz-TR I'm sure it's the kernel [13:48] schestowitz-TR then I can use it for lighting up the fish [13:48] schestowitz-TR and maybe write a better pgoram for them [13:48] schestowitz-TR with a 24hr program [13:48] schestowitz-TR not based on cron jobs like TR bulletins ;) [13:48] schestowitz-TR maybe at one point I can solder in the button and do a reminder mechanism for feeding [13:48] schestowitz-TR a colleague of mine did something like this f [13:48] schestowitz-TR fish tank alerts [13:48] Techrights-sec2 ack [13:48] Techrights-sec2 I have not clue as to the cause there. [13:49] Techrights-sec2 can control lights directly from the GPIO with this: [13:49] Techrights-sec2 https://www.olimex.com/Products/Duino/Shields/PWR-SWITCH/ [13:49] Techrights-sec2 oh, wait, that's for the EU plugs. never mind [13:50] schestowitz-TR the plan is, wait for kernel-raspberrypi [13:50] schestowitz-TR or whatever it is called [13:50] schestowitz-TR not linux-image [13:50] schestowitz-TR then try to reboot [13:50] schestowitz-TR and see what version if running [13:50] schestowitz-TR shouuld be 5.15+ [13:50] schestowitz-TR not 5.10 [13:55] schestowitz-TR to be fair, it failed gracefully enough to at least boot something, so it still runs, but in a more limited mode [13:55] schestowitz-TR windows would probably be infinite booting loop [13:55] schestowitz-TR i.e. bricked [13:55] schestowitz-TR unless you rebuild the whole thing from scratch [13:55] Techrights-sec2 https://thepihut.com/products/raspberry-pi-relay-board [13:55] schestowitz-TR I know a new kernel can boot OK on that physical machine [13:55] Techrights-sec2 ack [13:55] schestowitz-TR because it worked OK off of the USB clone [13:55] schestowitz-TR but those are slow to boot [13:55] schestowitz-TR both on rianne's and mine [13:55] schestowitz-TR even on the blue port [13:55] schestowitz-TR installing some wifi updates on the pi now [13:55] schestowitz-TR nonfree firmware [13:55] schestowitz-TR but I am waiting for a full kernel update [13:55] schestowitz-TR before rebooting [13:56] schestowitz-TR which causes downtime [13:56] schestowitz-TR and takes me off the top of the Lupa "list" [13:56] schestowitz-TR for ~2 weeks [13:56] Techrights-sec2 downtime is important to avoid, but it is very unclear what is causing it there [13:58] schestowitz-TR when booting with a monitor attached I do see some alerts related to kernel [13:58] schestowitz-TR too fast for me to read [13:58] schestowitz-TR and I don't think I can pause [13:58] schestowitz-TR maybe I can run dmesg [13:58] schestowitz-TR but either way it uses an old kernel [13:58] schestowitz-TR older than what's on the clone [13:58] schestowitz-TR or rianne's pi [13:58] schestowitz-TR it is possible some upgrade packages like iptables expect an equally new kernel [13:58] schestowitz-TR but it is not there [13:59] Techrights-sec2 iptables is replaced with nftables ● Jun 18 [14:00] schestowitz-TR yes, iptables is tentatively dumped already [14:00] schestowitz-TR but some compatibility layer was in place, I think [14:00] schestowitz-TR everything worked OK before the full system update [14:00] schestowitz-TR followed by the outage, which merely forced a belated reboot [14:09] Techrights-sec2 hmm [14:14] schestowitz-TR we've just discussed where to put the tank and when [14:14] schestowitz-TR I do want them to get the lights back [14:14] schestowitz-TR when mr. schneider or whatshisname updates the pi [14:14] schestowitz-TR fixing the kernel bits [14:14] schestowitz-TR not adding packages.microsoft.com covertly [14:15] Techrights-sec2 let's hope that there is no more sabotage from M$, but they do need to clear [14:15] Techrights-sec2 house especially on the board of directors and remove the saboteurs directlky [14:17] *schestowitz_TR2 has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) [14:17] *schestowitz_log has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) [14:18] *schestowitz_log_ (~schestowitz_log@hcdms2vr9hu9e.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [14:19] *schestowitz_log__ (~schestowitz_log@hcdms2vr9hu9e.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [14:22] *schestowitz_log__ is now known as schestowitz_TR [14:25] *TechrightsBN (~b0t@ju4kayhrhsm6a.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [14:25] TechrightsBN Hello World! I'm TechrightsBN running phIRCe v0.77 [14:27] schestowitz-TR what software do you use to make thew charts for measures? [14:27] Techrights-sec2 gnuplot [14:27] Techrights-sec2 it can be made prettier but I have not spent time in that direction yet [14:28] schestowitz-TR ok [14:28] schestowitz-TR I used to do scruipting with imagemagick [14:28] schestowitz-TR you can do very complex ooperations there [14:28] schestowitz-TR also gimp from CLI [14:28] Techrights-sec2 yes imagemagick is quite good but for rather other purposes [14:28] Techrights-sec2 gimp scripts nicely [14:41] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) ● Jun 18 [15:00] schestowitz-TR seems like even automount for external drive isn't quite there with the current kernel [15:00] schestowitz-TR I will wait for a newer kernel to come in [15:00] schestowitz-TR I cannot force that or compile one without risk greater issues [15:00] schestowitz-TR in the past it automounted as I recall it [15:00] schestowitz-TR I would only umount it when done before unplugging [15:00] Techrights-sec2 that can be set in /etc/fstab maybe but with a lot of different settings than [15:00] schestowitz-TR yes, I checked fstab [15:00] Techrights-sec2 for the 'normal' system drives [15:00] schestowitz-TR buit would rather not mess about [15:00] schestowitz-TR it was not necessary before [15:00] schestowitz-TR for no I do backups over ssh [15:00] schestowitz-TR not to external drive or a clone [15:00] schestowitz-TR I don't want to clone a system in such a state [15:00] schestowitz-TR only its pertinent /home files [15:00] schestowitz-TR in theory I could even revert back to the latest clone and then copy in /home [15:00] schestowitz-TR but would rather not spend time doing that [15:07] Techrights-sec2 ack [15:08] schestowitz-TR checed backup [15:08] schestowitz-TR it's complete now [15:08] schestowitz-TR I'll get the pi working as before, one way or another [15:08] schestowitz-TR but thr safe way [15:08] Techrights-sec2 ack ● Jun 18 [19:03] *techrights_guest|18 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Jun 18 [20:21] schestowitz-TR just did a one-hour video on wikipedia [20:21] schestowitz-TR after a little biy of dodka tbh [20:21] schestowitz-TR but just a littlke [20:22] schestowitz-TR no, not enough to cause typos [20:22] schestowitz-TR I have lots of typos where when I am sober a swll [20:22] schestowitz-TR *well ● Jun 18 [21:23] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@c2426sm6dhhbi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jun 18 [22:02] *psydroid2 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [22:42] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [22:42] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) ● Jun 18 [23:30] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [23:31] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [23:33] schestowitz-TR This IPFS video admits it's "affiliate link", basically spam for "unstoppable domains" . Fails to actually show what IPFS does and how it works, mostly promotes this rather edge company. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GERBV2Bv-A4 [23:33] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Invidious: https://invidious.esmailelbob.xyz/watch?v=GERBV2Bv-A4 [23:33] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> invidious.esmailelbob.xyz | The Future Internet - Invidious [23:36] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [23:36] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [23:44] schestowitz-TR https://nitter.it/ZacharyEndrulat/status/1538189138297503744#m [23:44] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Zachary Endrulat (@ZacharyEndrulat): "This is Foss now http://techrights.org/2021/03/27/osi-completely-defunct/"|nitter.it [23:59] *schestowitz_log (~schestowi@freenode-hao0f9.am6e.nqgd.t29qgt.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [23:59] *schestowitz_log has quit (Changing host) [23:59] *schestowitz_log (~schestowi@freenode/user/schestowitz) has joined #boycottnovell