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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jsalsman/status/1162829553540034560 | Aug 18 01:25 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@jsalsman: @ciphergoth @PavlosProkopeas Microsoft is still patent trolling, and still pulling embrace-and-extend tricks. Follo… https://t.co/oVDHNT8OEJ | Aug 18 01:25 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@jsalsman: @ciphergoth @PavlosProkopeas Microsoft is still patent trolling, and still pulling embrace-and-extend tricks. Follo… https://t.co/oVDHNT8OEJ | Aug 18 01:25 | |
| schestowitz | "Microsoft is still patent trolling, and still pulling embrace-and-extend tricks. Follow @schestowitz e.g. http://techrights.org/2016/06/05/microsoft-reputation-laundered/ … As for Gates himself and his newfound altruism, ask @leoniehaimson about the Core Curriculum" | Aug 18 01:25 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Microsoft is Still an Evil Company, Don’t Believe the Reputation Laundering ‘Campaigners’ | Techrights | Aug 18 01:25 | |
| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2019/08/makeup-palette-protection-granted-to.html?showComment=1566056098586#c6298809272439569066 | Aug 18 02:29 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Copyright protection granted to Charlotte Tilbury makeup powder case and design - The IPKat | Aug 18 02:29 | |
| schestowitz | The decision might have been different had the case been tried in the US. Even if the designs were the result of the author’s own intellectual creation, that creativity may have been considered de minimis under US law. For example, the Review Board of the US Copyright Office recently affirmed a refusal to register the gold decorative design of a placemat consisting of concentric rows of U-shaped holes without discussing whether or not | Aug 18 02:29 |
| schestowitz | it originated from the author’s own efforts: https://www.copyright.gov/rulings-filings/review-board/docs/bellagio-pressed-vinyl-placemat.pdf. Under US copyright law, a mere simplistic arrangement of non-protectable elements does not demonstrate the level of creativity necessary to warrant protection, even if created by original thought."" | Aug 18 02:29 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/cryptoretreat/status/1162974366205800449 | Aug 18 07:43 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@cryptoretreat: /r/stallmanwasright: the linux foundation’s open source summit is a proprietary software marketing venue https://t.co/iPIK7m6Bi9 | Aug 18 07:43 | |
| schestowitz | "/r/stallmanwasright: the linux foundation’s open source summit is a proprietary software marketing venue" | Aug 18 07:43 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> techrights.org | The Linux Foundation’s Open Source Summit is a Proprietary Software Marketing Venue | Techrights | Aug 18 07:43 | |
| schestowitz | > Not a lot of news. | Aug 18 08:08 |
| schestowitz | Same here. | Aug 18 08:08 |
| schestowitz | > that picture of the microsoft yahoo guy looked EXACTLY like the most interesting man in the world meme. | Aug 18 08:15 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 18 08:15 |
| schestowitz | > youll find a reply on d with him in it. | Aug 18 08:15 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 18 08:15 |
| schestowitz | > I'll be away all next week starting Tuesday later in the day. xxx's | Aug 18 08:16 |
| schestowitz | > mother passed away on last Sunday night and we'll be heading south to | Aug 18 08:16 |
| schestowitz | > clean out her apartment. I'll have my main computer with, and some | Aug 18 08:16 |
| schestowitz | > connectivity, but most of the other equipment will be off. We're not | Aug 18 08:16 |
| schestowitz | > sure when the funeral will be because it has to be arranged after the | Aug 18 08:16 |
| schestowitz | > autopsy. The funeral will be a second trip. | Aug 18 08:16 |
| schestowitz | Sorry to hear that. Deepest condolences. | Aug 18 08:16 |
| schestowitz | microyahoo | Aug 18 08:20 |
| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2019/08/the-first-ai-inventor-ipkat-searches.html?showComment=1566117220386#c2361510527716877946 | Aug 18 17:09 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ipkitten.blogspot.com | The first AI inventor - IPKat searches for the facts behind the hype - The IPKat | Aug 18 17:09 | |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 18 17:09 |
| schestowitz | We all know that good old saw "Cogito ergo sum". But that is only its second line. In full, it begins "Dubio ergo cogito". I doubt. And therefore I think. | Aug 18 17:09 |
| schestowitz | Do machines "think"? Or do they merely generate permutations and then rank them according to some algorithm imposed on them from outside. Do they ever experience a moment of "doubt"? And, if not, does their number-crunching ever rise to the level of "thought"? | Aug 18 17:09 |
| schestowitz | The UK defines the inventor as the devisor. It seems to me that, without thought, you cannot be said to be "devising". If machines have no doubts they have no thoughts. And if they have no thoughts they can't devise anything. | Aug 18 17:09 |
| schestowitz | So, can machines invent? Personally, I doubt it. | Aug 18 17:09 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 18 17:09 |
| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2019/08/the-first-ai-inventor-ipkat-searches.html?showComment=1566083243242#c3887538924352312754 | Aug 18 17:10 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ipkitten.blogspot.com | The first AI inventor - IPKat searches for the facts behind the hype - The IPKat | Aug 18 17:10 | |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 18 17:10 |
| schestowitz | Some observations. | Aug 18 17:10 |
| schestowitz | * The authorship of computer-generated works is also addressed in Section 9(3) of the UK's Copyright &c Act 1988. | Aug 18 17:10 |
| schestowitz | Presumably some textual matter will be produced in the course of developing the AI, or will be generated by the AI program itself, and this will consist of a literary work for copyright act purposes. In the absence of an agreement to the contrary, the copyright in such material will belong to the person or persons referred to in the above Section 9(3). As such persons own the copyright in such matter, it is prima facie correct for the | Aug 18 17:10 |
| schestowitz | team to be entitled to be the authors of any patentable inventions it contains. | Aug 18 17:10 |
| schestowitz | However, an author only has the "first ownership" of copyright. If the author is an employee, and the work is made in the course of employment, then the employer owns the copyright (CDPA 1988 section 10). So if Dr. Thaler was the employer of the persons who did the programming, then prima facie he would own the copyright. On the other hand, if he was not their employer, then copyright would prima facie belong to whoever was their employer, | Aug 18 17:10 |
| schestowitz | unless there was an explicit agreement to the contrary. I believe that such agreements are used in academia. | Aug 18 17:10 |
| schestowitz | * While the inventors must be identified as part of the filing formalities, the UKIPO already has discretion to allow all their details to be removed prior to publication, provided that satisfactory reasons are given. However, as the request must be made by the inventor, it would be necessary for the computer to be able to make the request! | Aug 18 17:10 |
| schestowitz | * Which raises another point. I have been retired for some years now, but it used to be a feature of US patent law that the inventors had to sign an oath and declaration that they had read and understood the patent application. I wonder how this procedural step is to be carried out if one of the inventors is a machine? Or has US patent law changed to remove this requirement? I note that notes available on the USPTO web site relating to | Aug 18 17:10 |
| schestowitz | filing a US patent state "In case an inventor is legally incapacitated, the legal representative (guardian, conservator, etc.) of such inventor may make the necessary oath or declaration, and apply for and obtain the patent. ", indicating that a signed oath and declaration is still essential. Assigning the rights to the invention from the inventor to someone (such as an employer) entitled to the rights in the invention would also involve | Aug 18 17:10 |
| schestowitz | the signing of an assignment. | Aug 18 17:10 |
| schestowitz | * Regarding the "moral justification for patent by allowing individuals to take credit for work they have not done", it may be recalled that, when local novelty was a feature of the patent law of the UK (and other countries), it was possible to get a "patent of importation" for inventions made by someone else in another country, if details of that invention had not been known in the UK. | Aug 18 17:10 |
| schestowitz | * Max Drei's comments are noted, however, according to the UPIPO MPP, para 3.32, the contents of patents are not necessarily part of common general knowledge for inventive step purposes under UK law. | Aug 18 17:10 |
| schestowitz | 3.32 A much longer passage from the speech by Sachs LJ in General Tire & Rubber Co v Firestone Tyre & Rubber Co Ltd [1972] RPC 457 is of particular interest because it sets out the relationship of patent specifications to the common general knowledge ("it is clear that individual patent specifications and their contents do not normally form part of the relevant common general knowledge"). It also sets out the relationship of scientific | Aug 18 17:10 |
| schestowitz | journals and papers to the common general knowledge ("it is not sufficient to prove common general knowledge that a particular disclosure is made in an article, or series of articles, in a scientific journal"). | Aug 18 17:10 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 18 17:10 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FallennAangel/status/1163122480673951744 | Aug 18 17:16 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@FallennAangel: 2015 https://t.co/q9NMypirUh | Aug 18 17:16 | |
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| schestowitz | "Daddy is a known pedophile." | Aug 18 17:34 |
| schestowitz | https://pleroma.site/notice/9lzKv3DNCZdtX8RKeu | Aug 18 17:34 |
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| schestowitz | "Author of this meme shall be reminded that UK existed far earlier than EU. And European countries did exist before EU. Nobody was eating each other in that epoch." | Aug 18 17:34 |
| schestowitz | there were lots of wars, none after EU | Aug 18 17:34 |
| schestowitz | https://pleroma.site/notice/9lzlaNR7WJuUvnEiUC | Aug 18 17:35 |
| schestowitz | " That's just goofy. When you start restricting basic communication people stop following the law." | Aug 18 17:35 |
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| schestowitz | "Jenkins is stable and customizable. Fuck concourse!" | Aug 18 17:35 |
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| schestowitz | " | Aug 18 17:36 |
| schestowitz | actually the friendli-society that paid for this medical_device would disagree. | Aug 18 17:36 |
| schestowitz | watch the video, | Aug 18 17:36 |
| schestowitz | then sit and spin. | Aug 18 17:36 |
| schestowitz | https://youtu.be/zFpDQvcE91g | Aug 18 17:36 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.youtube.com | British Isles first: hospital monitoring system - YouTube | Aug 18 17:36 | |
| schestowitz | #RamseyInnovation | Aug 18 17:36 |
| schestowitz | note: this reply is a protest that (sometokes) your links don't go anywhere. | Aug 18 17:36 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 18 17:36 |
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| schestowitz | " What else are they supposed to say? Linux in the Enterprise is used on servers exclusively. If you find a big Corp that offers Linux end user devices please sign me up ASAP" | Aug 18 17:36 |
| schestowitz | https://pleroma.site/notice/9m0kJL3lCM3bqBa70K | Aug 18 17:37 |
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| schestowitz | "My Gosh !" | Aug 18 17:37 |
| schestowitz | https://pleroma.site/notice/9m0vQWGb1o9I7bDCme | Aug 18 17:37 |
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| schestowitz | " | Aug 18 17:37 |
| schestowitz | "Ubuntu is a South African word" | Aug 18 17:37 |
| schestowitz | There is no such thing as a South African word. The one small tribe that lived in South Africa before the Zulus colonized it has been oppressed for so long that their language, the only language that was ever originally South African, has gone extinct. | Aug 18 17:37 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 18 17:37 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/COYSonny7/status/1162793996151853057 | Aug 18 17:42 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@COYSonny7: @schestowitz @ManCity @gabrieljesus33 Well not in a row but SIUUUUUUUUU | Aug 18 17:42 | |
| schestowitz | >> Credit is fine. Makes sense, esp. if it's not by a pseudonym. | Aug 18 18:17 |
| schestowitz | > what im really nudging this towards is people using the free media alliance as a de facto standard, like free software-- the way the standard is kept is by people representing it-- not by lawyers protecting a trademark. | Aug 18 18:17 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 18 18:17 |
| schestowitz | > the fsf has done a better job of this than osi-- but osi didnt just have their trademark made generic, they failed to represent anything themselves. perens talks about the trademark issue in his letter, but i think the lack of integrity for osi is worse. | Aug 18 18:17 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 18 18:17 |
| schestowitz | > obviously as the founder i am in charge of steering, but what i want to do with that is not drag people behind me in tow, i want to teach them to drive. not all will have that interest level, but the opportunity is extended to everyone. | Aug 18 18:17 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 18 18:17 |
| schestowitz | > so there is a sort of leadership, but its a de facto leadership, its less hierarchical-- not because im against the hierarchy for its own sake-- im against the single point of failure that the fsf has. | Aug 18 18:17 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 18 18:17 |
| schestowitz | > when stallman goes, it wont be up to him what the fsf is anymore. mores the pity. it will be up to everyone else. but just as likely it will be up to people who arent pulling the weight, and they dont extend the invitation to everyone else to drive. | Aug 18 18:17 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 18 18:18 |
| schestowitz | > so my job is to listen to as many people as possible, sort out what this means for free software and free culture, and do my very best to represent them, and freedom. | Aug 18 18:18 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 18 18:18 |
| schestowitz | > and my other job is to look for other people who can do that too. everyone is a shareholder, freedom is something natural, and all a corporation (including a non-profit) can do is repackage it. | Aug 18 18:18 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 18 18:18 |
| schestowitz | > like you can grow your own pot now, its about as legal as it will ever be-- for now, no corporation controls that. | Aug 18 18:18 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 18 18:18 |
| schestowitz | > and a corporation can brand it, put it into gummies, but you can still grow your own in your backyard (its legal here-- up to a certain number of plants.) | Aug 18 18:18 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 18 18:18 |
| schestowitz | > in that regard, no one "owns" pot. no one "owns" freedom. and no one "owns" what we do. i mean, yes, individuals often retain copyright, thats not a problem if they use a free license. | Aug 18 18:18 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 18 18:18 |
| schestowitz | > a lot of our work is in the public domain. | Aug 18 18:18 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 18 18:18 |
| schestowitz | > https://freemedia.neocities.org/remix-us.html | Aug 18 18:18 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-freemedia.neocities.org | free media alliance | Aug 18 18:18 | |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 18 18:18 |
| schestowitz | > so the book is credited to the free media alliance, just as much as it belongs to the public domain. | Aug 18 18:18 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 18 18:18 |
| schestowitz | > sometimes i credit myself, and other people can do that as well. they can write things and credit themselves if they want to. | Aug 18 18:18 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 18 18:18 |
| schestowitz | > there is a pdf and odt, but there is a typo ("in" / "it") on the first page. i will release a fixed version when im done proofreading. | Aug 18 18:18 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 18 18:18 |
| schestowitz | > go to your archive.org page and change @techrights to @freemediaalliance if you want a preview. | Aug 18 18:18 |
| schestowitz | Aug 18 18:23 | |
| schestowitz | > https://ia601403.us.archive.org/31/items/gartfsft201908/fsft17.pdf | Aug 18 18:23 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 18 18:23 |
| schestowitz | > odt | Aug 18 18:23 |
| schestowitz | > https://ia601403.us.archive.org/31/items/gartfsft201908/fsft17.odt | Aug 18 18:23 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 18 18:23 |
| schestowitz | > only found about 10 typos this time, fixed. not expecting a version 1.8, you can use this for stories if you want to. i created the text file by using select all in libreoffice, pasting into leafpad (plaintext editor) and changing tabs (there are few) to ________ (8 underscores) | Aug 18 18:23 |
| schestowitz | > I found only one typo. I will start published after work (I finish at 1am) | Aug 18 18:23 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/15616099#5024ef809a150137b1a50cc47a07853c | Aug 18 18:29 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Seven Concerns Open Source Should Worry About, Part 3: Distributed Ownership http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126650 #freesw core issue; Andy should tell his #zemlinpac (employer) to #deletegithub then. | Aug 18 18:29 | |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 18 18:29 |
| schestowitz | the alternative to “Distributed Ownership” is “Abuse of monopoly power.” | Aug 18 18:29 |
| schestowitz | tomgrz | Aug 18 18:29 |
| schestowitz | tomgrz - 13 days ago | Aug 18 18:29 |
| schestowitz | “Abuse” of monopoly power is a feature of monopoly power, not a bug. | Aug 18 18:29 |
| schestowitz | freemedia@share.naturalnews.com | Aug 18 18:29 |
| schestowitz | freemedia@share.naturalnews.com - 13 days ago | Aug 18 18:29 |
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| schestowitz | yes, its redundant-- but i was afraid that the point would be too subtle unless i was willing to say the same thing at least twice. | Aug 18 18:29 |
| schestowitz | tomgrz | Aug 18 18:29 |
| schestowitz | tomgrz - 13 days ago | Aug 18 18:29 |
| schestowitz | Yes, repetition is the key to understanding. ;-) | Aug 18 18:29 |
| schestowitz | freemedia@share.naturalnews.com | Aug 18 18:29 |
| schestowitz | freemedia@share.naturalnews.com - 13 days ago | Aug 18 18:30 |
| schestowitz | well, sometimes its hard to be specific without it. | Aug 18 18:30 |
| schestowitz | tomgrz | Aug 18 18:30 |
| schestowitz | tomgrz - 13 days ago | Aug 18 18:30 |
| schestowitz | I’m not adverse to a little “propaganda” for the right cause. | Aug 18 18:30 |
| schestowitz | freemedia@share.naturalnews.com | Aug 18 18:30 |
| schestowitz | freemedia@share.naturalnews.com - 13 days ago | Aug 18 18:30 |
| schestowitz | personally i try to avoid any dirty tricks that stallman would not use himself. he sets that bar pretty high. industry sets it extremely low. | Aug 18 18:30 |
| schestowitz | tomgrz | Aug 18 18:30 |
| schestowitz | tomgrz - 13 days ago | Aug 18 18:30 |
| schestowitz | https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:St_Ignucius.jpg | Aug 18 18:30 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-commons.wikimedia.org | File:St Ignucius.jpg - Wikimedia Commons | Aug 18 18:30 | |
| schestowitz | tomgrz | Aug 18 18:30 |
| schestowitz | tomgrz - 13 days ago | Aug 18 18:30 |
| schestowitz | Well, yes and no. Stallman is famous for being unyielding on matters of principle - in the manner of a saint. B | Aug 18 18:30 |
| schestowitz | tomgrz | Aug 18 18:30 |
| schestowitz | tomgrz - 13 days ago | Aug 18 18:30 |
| schestowitz | And yes, it is a good routine! | Aug 18 18:30 |
| schestowitz | freemedia@share.naturalnews.com | Aug 18 18:30 |
| schestowitz | freemedia@share.naturalnews.com - 13 days ago | Aug 18 18:30 |
| schestowitz | completely tongue in cheek though-- an atheist poking at religion and himself at the same time. | Aug 18 18:30 |
| schestowitz | stallman wanted to be a comedian, hes literally said this. that was his idea of a standup routine. and i dont know if id go so far as to call it that myself, though it was cute and amusing in my opinion. | Aug 18 18:30 |
| schestowitz | also https://share.naturalnews.com/posts/ba534d6092a601374b2d0cc47a07853c | Aug 18 18:30 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-share.naturalnews.com | in times of serious crisis, the role of journalists falls squarely ... | Aug 18 18:30 | |
| schestowitz | freemedia@share.naturalnews.com | Aug 18 18:30 |
| schestowitz | freemedia@share.naturalnews.com - 13 days ago | Aug 18 18:30 |
| schestowitz | i was afraid they would end up out of order if i “edited” that. | Aug 18 18:30 |
| schestowitz | well, you know. | Aug 18 18:30 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 18 18:30 |
| schestowitz | he still has a jokes page in hit site | Aug 18 18:30 |
| schestowitz | *his | Aug 18 18:30 |
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| schestowitz | > TM went down and was not responding to HTTP or SSH. | Aug 18 18:54 |
| schestowitz | We both noticed and responded around the same time. At one point I think you rebooted it a third time :-) | Aug 18 18:54 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, no damage to data. | Aug 18 18:54 |
| schestowitz | >>>>> 'll be away all next week starting Tuesday later in the day. Satu's | Aug 18 18:55 |
| schestowitz | >>>>> mother passed away on last Sunday night and we'll be heading south to | Aug 18 18:55 |
| schestowitz | >>>>> clean out her apartment. I'll have my main computer with, and some | Aug 18 18:55 |
| schestowitz | >>>>> connectivity, but most of the other equipment will be off. We're not | Aug 18 18:55 |
| schestowitz | >>>>> sure when the funeral will be because it has to be arranged after the | Aug 18 18:55 |
| schestowitz | >>>>> autopsy. The funeral will be a second trip. | Aug 18 18:55 |
| schestowitz | >>>> Sorry to hear that. Deepest condolences. | Aug 18 18:55 |
| schestowitz | >>>> | Aug 18 18:55 |
| schestowitz | >>> Thanks. It's always sad of course but circumstances were about as good | Aug 18 18:55 |
| schestowitz | >>> as could be possible. She went peacefully and was quite happy and | Aug 18 18:55 |
| schestowitz | >>> outgoing her last two days. | Aug 18 18:55 |
| schestowitz | >> Some months ago I looked up your name (I almost never do such things) | Aug 18 18:55 |
| schestowitz | >> and found an old newspaper article you published with your parents' name | Aug 18 18:55 |
| schestowitz | >> in it. | Aug 18 18:55 |
| schestowitz | > Interesting. I'm not sure I published it, or at least I can't remember | Aug 18 18:55 |
| schestowitz | > writing any newspaper articles. Do you have some more details that I | Aug 18 18:55 |
| schestowitz | > might be able to find it? | Aug 18 18:55 |
| schestowitz | Re: Conspiracy Theory> Microsoft is just as guilty as Google with regard to employee intimidation/retaliation and toxic cultures. I wonder if they’re sponsoring the presses vendetta against google at the moment, because their names aren’t being mentioned in any of these articles. | Aug 18 18:56 |
| schestowitz | They did this before. Their PR lobby was called "Scroogled". | Aug 18 18:56 |
| schestowitz | >>> TM went down and was not responding to HTTP or SSH. | Aug 18 19:02 |
| schestowitz | >> We both noticed and responded around the same time. At one point I think | Aug 18 19:02 |
| schestowitz | >> you rebooted it a third time :-) | Aug 18 19:02 |
| schestowitz | > :( | Aug 18 19:02 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 18 19:02 |
| schestowitz | > I tried only the one time but did notice that it took a long time to | Aug 18 19:02 |
| schestowitz | > come back up. We need something on HV to lock the tools for a longer | Aug 18 19:02 |
| schestowitz | > time, until at least after the db is rebuilt. | Aug 18 19:02 |
| schestowitz | That's the dangerous scenario. | Aug 18 19:02 |
| schestowitz | I'm always careful and if it 'feels' like someone else (you) are on the server, I then step aside. Sometimes I would not touch the DB until after some minutes of it online and running (the site). This way I know you'll notice it's accessible over ssh and http and thus won't attempt to reboot. | Aug 18 19:02 |
| schestowitz | Let's make a sort of rule unless/until there's a locking mechanism; only work on the DB after 5 minutes of uptime, always check the VM is still offline before rebooting it. This way the risk is reduced. | Aug 18 19:02 |
| schestowitz | >> Anyway, no damage to data. | Aug 18 19:02 |
| schestowitz | > That's good. | Aug 18 19:02 |
| schestowitz | traffic in TM was up 30% compared to last week. | Aug 18 19:02 |
| schestowitz | >>>>> TM went down and was not responding to HTTP or SSH. | Aug 18 19:32 |
| schestowitz | >>>> We both noticed and responded around the same time. At one point I think | Aug 18 19:32 |
| schestowitz | >>>> you rebooted it a third time :-) | Aug 18 19:32 |
| schestowitz | >>> :( | Aug 18 19:32 |
| schestowitz | >>> | Aug 18 19:32 |
| schestowitz | >>> I tried only the one time but did notice that it took a long time to | Aug 18 19:32 |
| schestowitz | >>> come back up. We need something on HV to lock the tools for a longer | Aug 18 19:32 |
| schestowitz | >>> time, until at least after the db is rebuilt. | Aug 18 19:32 |
| schestowitz | >> That's the dangerous scenario. | Aug 18 19:32 |
| schestowitz | >> | Aug 18 19:32 |
| schestowitz | >> I'm always careful and if it 'feels' like someone else (you) are on the | Aug 18 19:32 |
| schestowitz | >> server, I then step aside. Sometimes I would not touch the DB until | Aug 18 19:32 |
| schestowitz | >> after some minutes of it online and running (the site). This way I know | Aug 18 19:32 |
| schestowitz | >> you'll notice it's accessible over ssh and http and thus won't attempt | Aug 18 19:33 |
| schestowitz | >> to reboot. | Aug 18 19:33 |
| schestowitz | >> | Aug 18 19:33 |
| schestowitz | >> Let's make a sort of rule unless/until there's a locking mechanism; only | Aug 18 19:33 |
| schestowitz | >> work on the DB after 5 minutes of uptime, always check the VM is still | Aug 18 19:33 |
| schestowitz | >> offline before rebooting it. This way the risk is reduced. | Aug 18 19:33 |
| schestowitz | > I check the VM via SSH and HTTP both, before rebooting. | Aug 18 19:33 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 18 19:33 |
| schestowitz | > As for the db, the repair_dbs.sh script should lock and not allow more | Aug 18 19:33 |
| schestowitz | > than a single session at a time. Running it twice in a row should only | Aug 18 19:33 |
| schestowitz | > be an inconvenience and is probably not a risk. | Aug 18 19:33 |
| schestowitz | OK, I hope this time TM will say online longer. | Aug 18 19:33 |
| schestowitz | TR is more critical. I have lots to publish there when I finish work at 1am. | Aug 18 19:33 |
| schestowitz | >>>> Anyway, no damage to data. | Aug 18 19:33 |
| schestowitz | >>> That's good. | Aug 18 19:33 |
| schestowitz | >> traffic in TM was up 30% compared to last week. | Aug 18 19:33 |
| schestowitz | > Nice. Any particular topics bringing attention to the site? | Aug 18 19:33 |
| schestowitz | Not sure. I try not to look into it as there's a privacy element. I look at volume alone unless there's an attack. | Aug 18 19:33 |
| schestowitz | > PS. Thunderbird is really really sluggish. | Aug 18 19:33 |
| schestowitz | I try not to use it more than once per day. | Aug 18 19:33 |
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