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| schestowitz | [05:42] <schestowitz> >>> Did you do something to restore *comments* being shown, or did it fix | Jan 19 05:47 |
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| schestowitz | [05:42] <schestowitz> >>> itself, as sometimes happens? | Jan 19 05:47 |
| schestowitz | [05:42] <schestowitz> >> | Jan 19 05:47 |
| schestowitz | [05:42] <schestowitz> >> I did not even access the admin panel :-)> | Jan 19 05:47 |
| schestowitz | [05:42] <schestowitz> > Weird, but good! A similar return to the living happened recently. | Jan 19 05:47 |
| schestowitz | [05:42] <schestowitz> > My iPhone Voice Mail stopped appearing and an error message said call your | Jan 19 05:47 |
| schestowitz | [05:42] <schestowitz> > phone carrier. I did not do that. Two calls to APPLE support, which is | Jan 19 05:47 |
| schestowitz | [05:42] <schestowitz> > always excellent, did not help. Three days later it restored itself and I was | Jan 19 05:48 |
| schestowitz | [05:42] <schestowitz> > happy to have it back….no questions asked, somewhat like a hostage | Jan 19 05:48 |
| schestowitz | [05:42] <schestowitz> > situation where all are released unharmed and the perpetrator surrenders to | Jan 19 05:48 |
| schestowitz | [05:42] <schestowitz> > police. | Jan 19 05:48 |
| schestowitz | [05:42] <schestowitz> Sounds like a product was faulty though. | Jan 19 05:48 |
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| schestowitz-TR | did you see the Twitter report against me? | Jan 19 07:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | I think it shows that the idea of not posting in Twitter as means | Jan 19 07:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | or protecting the account is an invalid idea | Jan 19 07:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | people even report tweets from years ago | Jan 19 07:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | like that trans person who two years later complained that I merely | Jan 19 07:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | mentioned a past name | Jan 19 07:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | and then twitter forced me to delete this | Jan 19 07:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | and then had me banned for like a day | Jan 19 07:00 |
| Techrights-sec | gm | Jan 19 07:01 |
| Techrights-sec | more software updates here today | Jan 19 07:01 |
| Techrights-sec | I skimmed the post | Jan 19 07:01 |
| Techrights-sec | yep | Jan 19 07:01 |
| Techrights-sec | twitter uses the trolls as a pretext to enforce an agenda | Jan 19 07:01 |
| Techrights-sec | if you intend to keep the account the bans need to be fought otherwise the | Jan 19 07:01 |
| Techrights-sec | automatic 5-strikes-and-delete will kick in | Jan 19 07:01 |
| Techrights-sec | It's a waste of time of course but that is one of the attackers' goals | Jan 19 07:01 |
| activelow | fought how? | Jan 19 07:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | exactl;y | Jan 19 07:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | no way | Jan 19 07:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | their "appeal" system is just box-ticking exercise | Jan 19 07:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | they don't get back to you | Jan 19 07:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | and there is nobody to speak to | Jan 19 07:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | when fsfe (I think) made an invalid comoplaint | Jan 19 07:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | I responded with a challenge | Jan 19 07:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | nobody responded | Jan 19 07:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | same with the OSI 7-ay ban | Jan 19 07:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | *day | Jan 19 07:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | twitter does not respond | Jan 19 07:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | they help false reporters | Jan 19 07:05 |
| Techrights-sec | FSFE is part of several problems, one is that they play along with twitter | Jan 19 07:05 |
| Techrights-sec | to help enemies of software freedom in general and not just against you or TR | Jan 19 07:05 |
| Techrights-sec | However it is important to document, both within and outside of twitter, and | Jan 19 07:14 |
| Techrights-sec | inform twitter users both of the attacks and of better means of following. | Jan 19 07:14 |
| Techrights-sec | Twitter, like the other social control media fora, is not a service for | Jan 19 07:14 |
| Techrights-sec | communication. | Jan 19 07:14 |
| Techrights-sec | It is very important to hammer that last point home. | Jan 19 07:14 |
| Techrights-sec | There is a lot of wishful thinking and such among social control media users, | Jan 19 07:20 |
| Techrights-sec | mostly denial in the classical addiction context. | Jan 19 07:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | ack\ | Jan 19 07:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | trying to rationalise the abuser/abuse | Jan 19 07:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | "bad actors" | Jan 19 07:20 |
| Techrights-sec | that too | Jan 19 07:26 |
| Techrights-sec | xxx | Jan 19 07:26 |
| Techrights-sec | ^wrong paste delete | Jan 19 07:26 |
| Techrights-sec | highlight-middleclick seems to have partially broken :/ | Jan 19 07:26 |
| Techrights-sec | anyway, many if not most social control media users are badly addicted | Jan 19 07:26 |
| Techrights-sec | [sychologically and will see past all kinds of problems in order to continue | Jan 19 07:26 |
| Techrights-sec | the addictive behavior: | Jan 19 07:26 |
| Techrights-sec | https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/science-choice/201811/the-role-denial-in- | Jan 19 07:26 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 404 @ https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/science-choice/201811/the-role-denial-in- ) | Jan 19 07:26 | |
| Techrights-sec | addiction | Jan 19 07:27 |
| Techrights-sec | And, yes, the interfaces are designed for addiction, though the euphemism | Jan 19 07:27 |
| Techrights-sec | "engagement" is often used. It is the polar opposite of usability and | Jan 19 07:27 |
| Techrights-sec | to a certain extent accessibility. | Jan 19 07:27 |
| Techrights-sec | https://www.azureacres.com/addiction/articles/stages-denial/ | Jan 19 07:27 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.azureacres.com | Stages of Denial | Santa Rosa & San Francisco | Azure Acres | Jan 19 07:27 | |
| Techrights-sec | most are engaged in self-deception to keep the addictive behavior going | Jan 19 07:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | re "highlight-middleclick seems to have partially broken :/" it is completely broken in librewolf 94 flatpak | Jan 19 07:29 |
| activelow | cannot use any of the services: twitter, facebook, youtube. none of the www browsers i got support those anymore (netsurf, badwolf, lynx, links) | Jan 19 07:29 |
| schestowitz-TR | good | Jan 19 07:29 |
| schestowitz-TR | that's a -plus | Jan 19 07:29 |
| schestowitz-TR | speaking oif which, google plus is dead | Jan 19 07:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | people who "laboured" there lost everything | Jan 19 07:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | even "friends" | Jan 19 07:30 |
| activelow | by coincidence the material i search for and read is not affected: wikipedia (except authoring), the real software development sites | Jan 19 07:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | not a coincidence | Jan 19 07:32 |
| activelow | my complaint, about the social control mass media: they affect my live and the surrounding society, even when i refrain from all of it | Jan 19 07:41 |
| activelow | i have never used any android/ios smartphone, except some ancient blackberry when working for an ISP to receive SMS alerts | Jan 19 07:41 |
| activelow | nonetheless, i am surrounded by a mob which coordinates and agitates on social control media, a software industry which dictates the labor market | Jan 19 07:42 |
| activelow | although i program and hack almost everyday, i am treated as a total misfit on labor "market" | Jan 19 07:44 |
| activelow | the corporations, are dictating "standards" and business habits i fundamentaly disagree with | Jan 19 07:46 |
| activelow | no offense towards "web developers", programmers; however telco engineering is occupied with mathematics, most of it done with pencil and paper | Jan 19 07:47 |
| activelow | imagine this, some computer scientist, who couldn't program with any programming language. | Jan 19 07:48 |
| activelow | i mean, wasted weeks to learn java and object oriented programming, in parallel to all the "trivial" maths during my studies | Jan 19 07:49 |
| activelow | if i had known, 15 years later, i decided to ditch Java entirely, after i wasted some more years with J2EE programming for example | Jan 19 07:50 |
| activelow | and nowadays, i shall explain why "apps" aren't any progress, WASM isn't neither | Jan 19 07:51 |
| activelow | sorry, got some time to spare, tracked down some more gcc-4.7 related compilation errors and wait for another one to finish | Jan 19 07:52 |
| activelow | in germany FSFE seems to be a party politics outlet of german liberals, the FDP, who occupy ministry of education since the last election | Jan 19 07:54 |
| activelow | they arranged for gigantic funding of "digitalization" of education; they wouldn't at least know what it is, "digitalization", which isn't some arbitrary buzzword | Jan 19 07:55 |
| activelow | to push sales of consumer electronics in schools, where this mindset doesn't belong | Jan 19 07:56 |
| Techrights-sec | "people who "laboured" there" == sharecroppers | Jan 19 07:56 |
| activelow | digitalization, by definition is *only* this: signal processing, the _sampling_ (specific type of measurement) of a signal | Jan 19 07:57 |
| activelow | pulse code modulation and sigma-delta modulation are two methods of sampling a signal | Jan 19 07:58 |
| activelow | although, "digitalization" is a term void of any definition too if the analog parts are missed | Jan 19 07:59 |
| activelow | that's why, legacy gear and protocols are exciting, because 56K modems and earlier with their modulation schemes and protocols are documented | Jan 19 08:00 |
| Techrights-sec | https://www.pbs.org/tpt/slavery-by-another-name/themes/sharecropping/ | Jan 19 09:06 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.pbs.org | Sharecropping | Themes | Slavery by Another Name | PBS | Jan 19 09:06 | |
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| activelow | ^ "feudalism" (which isn't identical to capitalism); although history books are in error with the description of feudalism too | Jan 19 09:32 |
| activelow | according to theory, in return for feudal privileges, landlords supposedly provided safety and protection (including military force); in reality often farmers were drafted to die on the battlefields themselves instead of the landlords | Jan 19 09:36 |
| activelow | this is one explanation of the anabaptist movement (german peasants war), and their migration to north america: to flee from mandatory military drafts | Jan 19 09:54 |
| activelow | reminds me when i quit, which wasn't directly related, however raised my suspicion further after 1990, the iraq war (year 2004) and involvement of germany and with it Telekom as supplier of military and intelligence | Jan 19 09:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | 1. new version of mumble is out | Jan 19 09:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | 2. I bypassed the oldkey on our instance of it last night to test I can access it | Jan 19 09:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | OK | Jan 19 09:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | 3. afaik, it's a lot safer than landline | Jan 19 09:58 |
| activelow | then, i stumbled upon OpenBSD project, who publicly questioned the involvement of software projects with military and politics | Jan 19 09:58 |
| Techrights-sec | better sound quality that pseudo landlines too. | Jan 19 09:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | activelow: yes | Jan 19 09:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | and it lost darpa funds over it | Jan 19 09:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | theo condemning iraq war | Jan 19 09:59 |
| Techrights-sec | The new cert is in ~gemini/mumble.txt | Jan 19 10:52 |
| Techrights-sec | but if you've logged in then it's already updated in the client | Jan 19 10:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | thanks, speaking gemini, the only remaining things to fix is the logging (as a background service) and around midnight I will check i if git updates OK | Jan 19 10:53 |
| schestowitz-TR | *midday | Jan 19 10:53 |
| Techrights-sec | I'm going to move my main computer back to devuan, will probably unavailable | Jan 19 10:54 |
| Techrights-sec | fpr a bit; ok I will check the gemini logging later today then | Jan 19 10:54 |
| Techrights-sec | that was a unit file (systemd) problem | Jan 19 10:54 |
| Techrights-sec | back in a while | Jan 19 10:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | ok | Jan 19 10:54 |
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| schestowitz | x https://www.how2shout.com/linux/how-to-install-vs-code-server-on-almalinux-rocky-linux-8/ | Jan 19 11:36 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.how2shout.com | How to Install VS Code-Server on AlmaLinux | Rocky Linux 8 - Linux Shout | Jan 19 11:36 | |
| activelow | another peculiar detail, about iraq war: there hasn't been any dispute about the fact Saddam deployed chemical weapons in 1980s | Jan 19 11:45 |
| activelow | instead, year 2004, "peace activists" began to argue there wasn't any of those weapons to justify an intervention | Jan 19 11:45 |
| activelow | "controlled opposition", and instead of asking who the suppliers were and why, "peace activists" argued there wasn't any to begin with, which was an outrageous distraction | Jan 19 11:49 |
| activelow | because, Saddam did possess those, and too they were deployed against population | Jan 19 11:50 |
| activelow | similar situation with most "eco activists", who perpetuate argument under "false flag", "controlled oppostion" | Jan 19 11:52 |
| activelow | anyway, the propaganda outlets distracted from the question, who had supplied the weapons, and why; and anyone who argued those weapons existed was errornously identified as supporter of the USA war agenda, remarkable twist | Jan 19 11:55 |
| activelow | because, those weapons did exist, were deployed, and still posed a threat (libya? and elsewhere) | Jan 19 11:56 |
| Techrights-sec | now "just" tidying up | Jan 19 13:06 |
| Techrights-sec | mozilla did not bring in /any/ settings from the earlier profile(s) | Jan 19 13:06 |
| Techrights-sec | lz4jsoncat was needed to get at the old bookmarks :( | Jan 19 13:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | when restoring the pi I wondered if on that too I should move to librewolf, their OS comes only with cough cough chrom(ium) | Jan 19 13:07 |
| Techrights-sec | chromium does not seem available, at least in the default repositories, | Jan 19 13:11 |
| Techrights-sec | so I guess I am locked out of some sites for now | Jan 19 13:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | i often say, | Jan 19 13:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | things that do not support xyz | Jan 19 13:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | might be worth avoiding anyway | Jan 19 13:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | because xyz is not good anyhow | Jan 19 13:12 |
| Techrights-sec | yeah, best to skip those sites anyway | Jan 19 13:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | it woiuld be wrong to compar this to Occam's razor | Jan 19 13:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | but I have another thing in mind | Jan 19 13:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | like "bullshit filter" | Jan 19 13:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | or some other term I cannot quite recall | Jan 19 13:12 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | Jan 19 13:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | the same is true for people, as a social aspect | Jan 19 13:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | as in, if person x is y | Jan 19 13:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | then better to avoid person x to avoid y | Jan 19 13:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | i've just spoken to my parents for over an hour | Jan 19 13:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | even if there's some element of BS in some things | Jan 19 13:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | they are still parents | Jan 19 13:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | so the typical rules do not apply :-) | Jan 19 13:15 |
| Techrights-sec | $ systemctl --failed | Jan 19 13:36 |
| Techrights-sec | shows agate-tcpdumper.service as expected but also plymouth | Jan 19 13:36 |
| schestowitz-TR | yup, I can see that now | Jan 19 13:37 |
| schestowitz-TR | i have an unimportant queestion: | Jan 19 13:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | on the older system or OS, would that have worked? | Jan 19 13:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | or | Jan 19 13:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | asked another way: if we had that backed up fully, would OS upgrade | Jan 19 13:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | result in this same conundrum? | Jan 19 13:39 |
| Techrights-sec | I think one of the variants would have worked, but bullseye is in place | Jan 19 13:39 |
| Techrights-sec | and has a longer time before EOL so it's better to find a work-around | Jan 19 13:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | if rianne gets another raspi4 (for her VPN), then maybe I'll try to make a better backup routine which keeps a "hot spare" of sorts | Jan 19 13:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | we are all still using debian 10, since start of 2020 | Jan 19 13:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | the starting point would be an exact clone of the existing microsd card, and then deviate away from that, e.g. for another hostname and some other services like strongswan/ipsec | Jan 19 13:42 |
| Techrights-sec | the impotant part of the hot spare is the removable media. It'd be easy | Jan 19 13:43 |
| Techrights-sec | to have mirroring as part of the backup routine. | Jan 19 13:43 |
| Techrights-sec | The existing system can be rsynced to a removable USB stick | Jan 19 13:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | given the low cost of cards we might even decided to cycle onto a new one every y | Jan 19 13:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | eat and use the "old" one as possible fallbacks | Jan 19 13:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | the cost of both the card and thr hardware make this approach attractive,m I thin | Jan 19 13:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | k | Jan 19 13:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | as time costs more than "money" | Jan 19 13:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | better yet, with a clone of the system and another piece of hardware you can dry- | Jan 19 13:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | test and configure things ona test system before taking it "live" | Jan 19 13:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | e.g. dist-upgrade | Jan 19 13:46 |
| Techrights-sec | yes, then the working drive can just be moved around | Jan 19 13:47 |
| schestowitz-TR | at a later date, maybe weekend, I will to clone the whole system to the 32GB USB stick that I bought | Jan 19 13:47 |
| schestowitz-TR | the pi can have both USB and microsd inserted at the same time, and based on what I read and saw firsthand it can boot from either, so no downtime needed | Jan 19 13:48 |
| Techrights-sec | I'd try experimenting with reserving a little space on the USB stick then | Jan 19 13:49 |
| Techrights-sec | at the same time. Yes, boot from one or the other, the priority is set | Jan 19 13:49 |
| Techrights-sec | using raspi-config | Jan 19 13:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | yay, git ui over gemini:// is back to working and updating as before | Jan 19 13:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | i planned to check after midday, was having phone as a dictrating factor | Jan 19 13:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | (i can speak on the phone while posting lesser technical news picks at the same | Jan 19 13:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | time without getting awfully confused) | Jan 19 13:52 |
| Techrights-sec | advanced options -> A6 boot order | Jan 19 13:52 |
| Techrights-sec | multitasking is usually inefficent and more often than not introduces errors | Jan 19 13:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | yes, but when it comes to posting the "less important" and RSS-based political news I don't mind making slight errors here and there | Jan 19 13:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | those are mostly a "classification" task | Jan 19 13:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | murray's article about the prison experience is very long, detailed, and interest | Jan 19 13:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | ing | Jan 19 13:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | the one upside of putting a good writer in jail for 4 months with a notebook | Jan 19 13:56 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | Jan 19 13:58 |
| Techrights-sec | some sorting can be done with minimal thought but it can still distract | Jan 19 13:58 |
| Techrights-sec | from the call | Jan 19 13:58 |
| Techrights-sec | mouse clicks are usually very loud on the phone too | Jan 19 13:58 |
| Techrights-sec | yes, though given the political nature of his incarceration I was surprised | Jan 19 13:58 |
| Techrights-sec | that they allowed him a notebook or allowed one so easily. | Jan 19 13:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | in belmarsh there are harsher restrictions | Jan 19 14:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | assange complained that before appearance in court | Jan 19 14:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | he was denied even access to his own notes | Jan 19 14:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | the vault7 leaker (alleged) showed how much more degrading it is | Jan 19 14:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | in the US system | Jan 19 14:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | but his access to the media was close to nothing | Jan 19 14:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | so you have to go by what people said he had uttered in court | Jan 19 14:00 |
| Techrights-sec | yes, although assange's computers (notes and defense) were all confiscated | Jan 19 14:01 |
| Techrights-sec | and turned over to his prosecutors. Belmarsh has also moved him to and from | Jan 19 14:01 |
| Techrights-sec | the court area in such a manner as to avoid him being able to hear his supporters | Jan 19 14:01 |
| Techrights-sec | outside the prison. | Jan 19 14:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | stripped-searcherd him repeatedly | Jan 19 14:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | as if he must have soime weapon under those clothes | Jan 19 14:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | those "geeks" with their "hacking" skillz | Jan 19 14:02 |
| Techrights-sec | "you might beat the rap, but you won't beat the ride" | Jan 19 14:02 |
| Techrights-sec | "they ain't /my/ peers" | Jan 19 14:02 |
| Techrights-sec | etc | Jan 19 14:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | mr goolag has meanwhile done nothing since November | Jan 19 14:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | all bark, no bites | Jan 19 14:03 |
| Techrights-sec | I don't expect him to reform. I suppose he is still in IRC? | Jan 19 14:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | yes, studying his next target or something... | Jan 19 14:04 |
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| schestowitz-TR | but imho hard work for money he does not need | Jan 19 14:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | limits his capacity to spend time lying, attacking | Jan 19 14:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | threatening and playing crybully | Jan 19 14:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | enslaved by expectations that incapacitate him | Jan 19 14:06 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | Jan 19 14:07 |
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| schestowitz-TR | 12 years ago I wanted to get rid of email completely | Jan 19 18:34 |
| schestowitz-TR | nowadays I just try to lessen reliance on it | Jan 19 18:34 |
| schestowitz-TR | for one thing, each time I send a message I assume it's | Jan 19 18:34 |
| schestowitz-TR | harvested and saved for decades | Jan 19 18:34 |
| schestowitz-TR | because it is so economic compared to | Jan 19 18:34 |
| schestowitz-TR | something such as landline call | Jan 19 18:34 |
| Techrights-sec | I think that GMail blockes GMX and many others. | Jan 19 18:35 |
| Techrights-sec | Landline, and mobile, calls | Jan 19 18:43 |
| Techrights-sec | are very low depth and sample rate. So they take very little space for audio, | Jan 19 18:43 |
| Techrights-sec | compared to music or other types of sound. That is probably easily combined | Jan 19 18:43 |
| Techrights-sec | with voice recognition and automated transcription. IIRC 8-bit mono at 8KHz | Jan 19 18:43 |
| Techrights-sec | sample rate. | Jan 19 18:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | yes, but that is less computationally cheap, less reliable, and I believe would be subjected to more blowback (if people discover all calls are processed and indexed in this fashion) | Jan 19 18:44 |
| Techrights-sec | I thought that was established as going on and that;s what the large data centers | Jan 19 18:48 |
| Techrights-sec | out west were for? | Jan 19 18:48 |
| Techrights-sec | However, the phone metadata is almost as valuable. In some ways it is more | Jan 19 18:48 |
| Techrights-sec | valuable because it takes far less space and is already machine readable without | Jan 19 18:48 |
| Techrights-sec | further processing. | Jan 19 18:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | I know about retention of such data, but to trigger processing I think you need to be on one of the lists, at least for landlines | Jan 19 18:49 |
| Techrights-sec | Perhaps. I am not familiar with the reports from a few years ago any more. | Jan 19 19:02 |
| Techrights-sec | However, since so much of it can be automated , I would think it covers nearly | Jan 19 19:02 |
| Techrights-sec | everybody especially since the threshold for being on a "list" is quite low. | Jan 19 19:02 |
| Techrights-sec | https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/nsa-linux-journal-extremist-forum-and-its-re | Jan 19 19:02 |
| Techrights-sec | aders-get-flagged-extra-surveillance | Jan 19 19:02 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 404 @ https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/nsa-linux-journal-extremist-forum-and-its-re ) | Jan 19 19:02 | |
| schestowitz-TR | even for the list above, iirc it refers to Internet tracking rather than converting calls to text, indexing them, then assigning NSA "analystt" to study the "threat' | Jan 19 19:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | btw, roblimo (rip) had served as NSA aorker | Jan 19 19:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | prior to the taxi and Linux stuff iirc | Jan 19 19:04 |
| Techrights-sec | I would look at the material Bill Binney reported on. | Jan 19 19:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | Stellar Wind or something newer? | Jan 19 19:06 |
| Techrights-sec | Jan 19 19:07 | |
| Techrights-sec | and John Kiriakou | Jan 19 19:07 |
| Techrights-sec | nothing "new" but there was a lot more he said and wrote than what the | Jan 19 19:07 |
| Techrights-sec | mainstream press even hinted at | Jan 19 19:07 |
| Techrights-sec | Also Thomas Drake. FISA is basically ignored. | Jan 19 19:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | today's media spurns sources | Jan 19 19:09 |
| Techrights-sec | and spurns facts, they love opinions and give them equal or more weight than | Jan 19 19:10 |
| Techrights-sec | empirical facts | Jan 19 19:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | buzzwords | Jan 19 19:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | the clown | Jan 19 19:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | "smart" | Jan 19 19:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | "confidential computing" | Jan 19 19:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | etc. | Jan 19 19:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | they don't want investigators | Jan 19 19:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | they want more spamnils | Jan 19 19:10 |
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| Techrights-sec | yes as you've pointed out repeatedly, stenographers | Jan 19 19:26 |
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