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| schestowitz-TR | DaemonFC has pinned down a number of affected MSFT divisions | Jan 19 00:55 |
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| DaemonFC | I was happy to see Microsoft Edge on there. | Jan 19 00:55 |
| DaemonFC | They're still gutting it and this is the second batch of firings of CHROMIUM EDGE. | Jan 19 00:55 |
| DaemonFC | They already fired about 90% of their Web browser division when they got rid of IE and EdgeHTML as "supported browsers". | Jan 19 00:55 |
| DaemonFC | It's important to mention that Chromium Edge was already a skeleton crew compared to IE or EdgeHTML Edge. | Jan 19 00:56 |
| DaemonFC | And now they're laying into these people pretty hard. | Jan 19 00:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | must have been a very small team | Jan 19 00:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | maybe 100 | Jan 19 00:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | out of 11,000? | Jan 19 00:56 |
| DaemonFC | They're not making enough money on Edge to justify employing people except to keep it working. | Jan 19 00:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | so I want to see where the 1000s are | Jan 19 00:57 |
| DaemonFC | You figure they'll cut the "Linux" version soon? | Jan 19 00:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | DaemonFC: yesterday we tried to find ingo | Jan 19 00:57 |
| DaemonFC | How many people could possibly be using that? | Jan 19 00:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | info | Jan 19 00:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | in this channel | Jan 19 00:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | about which parts of MSFT were affected | Jan 19 00:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | Edge is ALMOST the OS part | Jan 19 00:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's "cross platform" | Jan 19 00:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | not because"microsoft loves l;inux | Jan 19 00:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | but because it is chromium | Jan 19 00:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | either way, azure is impacted | Jan 19 00:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | but we need to know more | Jan 19 00:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | it hurts microsoft A LOT when the media says Azure is a fialure | Jan 19 00:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | the shareholders walk away | Jan 19 00:58 |
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| psydruid | It's important to keep emphasising the failure of Azure | Jan 19 01:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | yeah | Jan 19 01:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | part of the attack on linux | Jan 19 01:51 |
| psydruid | as it will cut off their oxygen supply | Jan 19 01:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | we are clown company -\> WE ARE HEY HI company | Jan 19 01:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | they keep shifting | Jan 19 01:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | as the gaming takeover seems blocked | Jan 19 01:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | US and EU | Jan 19 01:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | maybe UK also | Jan 19 01:52 |
| psydruid | they'll have nowhere to go and will essentially have to cannibalise their products and eventually their organisation | Jan 19 01:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | imagine after all those layoffs they say they spent a fortune buying a gaming company | Jan 19 01:53 |
| psydruid | I think in the end the takeover will be blocked | Jan 19 01:53 |
| schestowitz-TR | that might not turn up any profit | Jan 19 01:53 |
| schestowitz-TR | psydruid: precisely | Jan 19 01:53 |
| psydruid | this is going to be an Nvidia/ARM story | Jan 19 01:53 |
| psydruid | although that one made more sense | Jan 19 01:54 |
| psydruid | I think the combined company would have become the top dog within a few years replacing Intel and AMD | Jan 19 01:55 |
| psydruid | the gaming takeover is just for cooking the books | Jan 19 01:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | makes sense | Jan 19 01:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | biab, have deadline (bulletin cutoff) | Jan 19 01:59 |
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| schestowitz | Re: Fwd: You called it | Jan 19 04:13 |
| schestowitz | > Yes, it was even on the local m$ fanboi radio here. I'm wondering what | Jan 19 04:13 |
| schestowitz | > the 1000s of frauds here who have bluffed their way through their | Jan 19 04:13 |
| schestowitz | > careers behind m$ products will do. On one level I do not care, on | Jan 19 04:13 |
| schestowitz | > another level they will cause trouble and have no other skills than | Jan 19 04:13 |
| schestowitz | > causing trouble... | Jan 19 04:13 |
| psydruid | they got their paycheck, so it did pay off for them while it lasted | Jan 19 04:19 |
| psydruid | but they should have invested time into learning the "competitor's" products to last in the field | Jan 19 04:20 |
| schestowitz | > I got the issue, and, although Ralph's associate xxxxxxxxxxxxxx- he's | Jan 19 04:24 |
| schestowitz | > the Corporate Crime Reporter - said back in November that my story was | Jan 19 04:24 |
| schestowitz | > "fascinating" and he wanted to write about it for the January issue, he | Jan 19 04:24 |
| schestowitz | > didn't. Several corporate crime bills were introduced in Congress, and | Jan 19 04:24 |
| schestowitz | > he wrote about them. Of course, they're more important. | Jan 19 04:24 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 19 04:24 |
| schestowitz | > I sent him an e-mail to maybe get some feedback as to whether he would | Jan 19 04:24 |
| schestowitz | > write about it in the future, and I've not yet gotten a reply. | Jan 19 04:24 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 19 04:24 |
| schestowitz | > Just yesterday, his website wrote about "corporate capture of the legal | Jan 19 04:24 |
| schestowitz | > system." But, if Microsoft/IBM capture the patent office - which is a | Jan 19 04:24 |
| schestowitz | > legal system - it doesn't matter. | Jan 19 04:24 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 19 04:24 |
| schestowitz | > The simple fact is that nobody cares about inventors and patents - too | Jan 19 04:24 |
| schestowitz | > complicated and obscure - so they won't write about them. Even if the | Jan 19 04:24 |
| schestowitz | > story relates to a pet issue of Ralph Nader. | Jan 19 04:24 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 19 04:24 |
| schestowitz | > The Patent Office can be as incompetent and corrupt and malicious as | Jan 19 04:24 |
| schestowitz | > they want, and rip-off inventors with impunity, and nobody will do | Jan 19 04:25 |
| schestowitz | > anything about it. | Jan 19 04:25 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 19 04:25 |
| schestowitz | > https://www.corporatecrimereporter.com/ | Jan 19 04:25 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.corporatecrimereporter.com | Corporate Crime Reporter | Jan 19 04:25 | |
| schestowitz | > <https://www.corporatecrimereporter.com/> | Jan 19 04:25 |
| schestowitz | I think you're right. | Jan 19 04:25 |
| schestowitz | Having said that, Nader rarely writes about patents. | Jan 19 04:25 |
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| schestowitz-TR | good morning! | Jan 19 10:37 |
| schestowitz-TR | did I miss anything in the buffer? | Jan 19 10:37 |
| techrigthssec | gm | Jan 19 10:37 |
| techrigthssec | probably not | Jan 19 10:37 |
| techrigthssec | The tens of thousands of microsofters unleashed on the market will be posing | Jan 19 11:00 |
| techrigthssec | as skilled IT staff and naive and/or wishful thinkers will go along with | Jan 19 11:00 |
| techrigthssec | that no matter how unfounded that posture is | Jan 19 11:00 |
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| schestowitz-TR | 30,000 laid off 'softers' (see latest post.; more expected to go or proactively go) is a little | Jan 19 11:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | in an ocean of unemployed techs and millions of them who compete for a job | Jan 19 11:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | better this than them staying inside the company | Jan 19 11:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | it was always a concern we had and expressed in irc | Jan 19 11:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | better this than the other | Jan 19 11:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | (still digesting today's good news; won't be "productive" today) | Jan 19 11:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | the coconut cake is delicious and we have 4 more on the way | Jan 19 11:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | we got 5 bags, 1kg each, for 20 pence each | Jan 19 11:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | condensed milk, shredded coco, and butter as main ingredient | Jan 19 11:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | rianne checked in "yewtu.ve" | Jan 19 11:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | tomorrow we'll buy a lot of stuff, also gifts to the lawyer and paralegal | Jan 19 11:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | rianne has gemini running in emacs now (rpi400) | Jan 19 11:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | I think it is sweetened (wayyyyyy toooo sweet) condensed milk | Jan 19 11:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | i will share with her recipes later | Jan 19 11:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | she has collections of them | Jan 19 11:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | we also have recipe books ;-) | Jan 19 11:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | with more spare time = more cooking | Jan 19 11:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | thanks, i will be slow to respond today and not "productive" | Jan 19 11:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | also checking covid rules for flights (ceremony) | Jan 19 11:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | gonna try to chase links+rss feeds as matter of priority | Jan 19 11:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | still very happy to see the situation at MSFT | Jan 19 11:39 |
| psydruid | I see whole conversations about workers' rights after these Microsoft layoffs on Tweakers, whereas I've never seen anything similar for other companies | Jan 19 11:39 |
| psydruid | and some people hoping the fired employees will find work again | Jan 19 11:39 |
| psydruid | I don't understand why everyone is so Microsoft-minded over here | Jan 19 11:40 |
| psydruid | these people need to be retrained and un-brainwashed before they can even hope to enter the job market again | Jan 19 11:41 |
| techrigthssec | M$ is on the edge and could pass a tipping point; remember that historically | Jan 19 11:44 |
| techrigthssec | most of its money has come from monopoly rents in two markets and have lost | Jan 19 11:44 |
| techrigthssec | money everywhere else. There was also that massive loss registered in 1999 or so | Jan 19 11:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | psydruid: could be astroturfing | Jan 19 11:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | Microsoft does lots of it in forums | Jan 19 11:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | and sometimes gets caught | Jan 19 11:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | sometimes the "partners" do this | Jan 19 11:45 |
| psydruid | hundreds of comments of astroturfing | Jan 19 11:45 |
| psydruid | it looks like a way to distract from the fact that it's about Microsoft | Jan 19 11:46 |
| techrigthssec | The "former" microsofters will remain unsuitable for IT for the remainder of | Jan 19 11:46 |
| techrigthssec | their lives and the retraining should focus on work outside of IT where ther | Jan 19 11:46 |
| techrigthssec | is a lower risk of recidivism | Jan 19 11:46 |
| psydruid | "let's generalise and make this about IT workers' rights in general" | Jan 19 11:46 |
| psydruid | I'm wondering if we are indeed at the tipping point | Jan 19 11:47 |
| psydruid | on my resume I have listed minimum knowledge and skills for Microsoft technologies | Jan 19 11:48 |
| psydruid | and yet someone on LinkedIn sent me a message about exactly those | Jan 19 11:48 |
| psydruid | when they could reach out to anyone else who actually has those skills | Jan 19 11:49 |
| psydruid | I only learn Microsoft technologies for legacy purposes in order to migrate systems to GNU/Linux and the web | Jan 19 11:51 |
| techrigthssec | The recidivism is not the only problem. They just have way too manhy fundamental mistakes in their training to h | Jan 19 11:55 |
| techrigthssec | for it to be feasible to retrain them in IT -- | Jan 19 11:55 |
| techrigthssec | even if they have the prereqisite mindset. The employment process at m$ | Jan 19 11:55 |
| techrigthssec | continuously weeds out people with those prerequistes. | Jan 19 11:55 |
| psydruid | I'm just glad I realised it early and stopped using anything Microsoft in the early 2000s | Jan 19 11:57 |
| techrigthssec | m$ always tries to make things bigger than they are; Windows problems are | Jan 19 11:58 |
| techrigthssec | spun as computer problems; Abuse of their shit bag "employees" is spun as | Jan 19 11:58 |
| techrigthssec | a general IT workers rights problem, even though m$ has nothing to do with | Jan 19 11:58 |
| techrigthssec | actual IT | Jan 19 11:58 |
| psydruid | and I started using PCs in the era where GNU/Linux was becoming viable | Jan 19 11:58 |
| psydruid | yeah, that's what it is | Jan 19 11:59 |
| psydruid | it makes sense now | Jan 19 11:59 |
| psydruid | no wonder the entire topic gets derailed | Jan 19 11:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | going to check some rumour mills in a sec | Jan 19 12:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | to give further insight | Jan 19 12:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | apologies upfront again for slowness, it's chaotic here in terms of train of thought (for good reasons) | Jan 19 12:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | but not much will get done today | Jan 19 12:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | looking for "gossip" re layoffs | Jan 19 12:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | we can get more "scoops" | Jan 19 12:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | need to know more about which divisions, esp. 'azure' | Jan 19 12:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | i don't search that often enough | Jan 19 12:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | but to hurt the company you know more or less what needs discovering | Jan 19 12:07 |
| techrigthssec | my advice... | Jan 19 12:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | psydruid: don't waste time there tbh | Jan 19 12:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | you would be better off spending time in a place not infested with "damage control" goons | Jan 19 12:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | don't dance in their own "platform" | Jan 19 12:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | find your own | Jan 19 12:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | make some noise there | Jan 19 12:09 |
| psydruid | I am not responding, I just read and noticed the tendency | Jan 19 12:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | they can just demoralise and downvote people to oblivion | Jan 19 12:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | making them feel like they said something "wrong" | Jan 19 12:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's like going to gab to "fight" nazis | Jan 19 12:10 |
| psydruid | and it seems way off compared to what it should be | Jan 19 12:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | you are outnumbered and outgunned | Jan 19 12:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | aggi cannot even stay in irc long | Jan 19 12:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | because he is "loner" | Jan 19 12:10 |
| psydruid | so I am wondering if it is downplayed in anglophone media too | Jan 19 12:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | and nobody agrees with him | Jan 19 12:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | except crows | Jan 19 12:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | psydruid: people in Microsoft noticed the same | Jan 19 12:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | I quoted one example | Jan 19 12:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | they criticise the media | Jan 19 12:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | some in the forums criticise that | Jan 19 12:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | but someone replies | Jan 19 12:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's "paid-for" | Jan 19 12:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | IBM and Microsoft still have a lot of control over media, also online | Jan 19 12:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | and they 'bury' bad news | Jan 19 12:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | same playbook | Jan 19 12:12 |
| techrigthssec | Made progress in processing the tm-gallery archive but finding some deep | Jan 19 12:26 |
| techrigthssec | pages which are not yet harvested. Using the RAM disk for the work saves | Jan 19 12:26 |
| techrigthssec | waiting by about an order of magnitude | Jan 19 12:26 |
| techrigthssec | Now trying to ennumerate the missing URLs | Jan 19 12:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | my dad used some of those distros and versions | Jan 19 12:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | with firefox | Jan 19 12:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | back when tuxmachines was in the firefox bookmark thingie in the toolbar | Jan 19 12:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | in PCLinuxOS | Jan 19 12:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | maybe one day these reference pages will help explain how the platform evolved | Jan 19 12:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | I do not myself do disro reviews as I learned frome xperience it take aLOT | Jan 19 12:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | of work to do PROPERLY | Jan 19 12:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | like using it for weeks, installing a ton of things | Jan 19 12:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | just for one article | Jan 19 12:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | not even counting screenmshots, text, proofreading | Jan 19 12:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | many reviews were done in the past | Jan 19 12:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | when the www brought more traffic | Jan 19 12:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | because "sound bites" of social control media | Jan 19 12:31 |
| techrigthssec | Yes, a proper review takes a lot of time and work. It'd probably take a whole | Jan 19 12:34 |
| techrigthssec | weel for each one, or at least two or three days even if done quickly. | Jan 19 12:34 |
| schestowitz-TR | not enough | Jan 19 12:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | some "pretend" to do review | Jan 19 12:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | checking wallpapers, clicking things | Jan 19 12:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | that's NOT a review | Jan 19 12:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | you need to install many things with the package manager | Jan 19 12:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | I've stopped using Fedora after 14, Moondhine | Jan 19 12:36 |
| schestowitz-TR | some crucial packages were not properly handled | Jan 19 12:36 |
| schestowitz-TR | so I wasted time in the lab | Jan 19 12:36 |
| schestowitz-TR | stuff like gnuplot | Jan 19 12:36 |
| schestowitz-TR | for octave | Jan 19 12:36 |
| techrigthssec | That's not a proper review and does not fool people, or at least it does not | Jan 19 12:36 |
| techrigthssec | fool them for long. | Jan 19 12:36 |
| techrigthssec | ok, I think the gallery archive has all links working and might have all files | Jan 19 13:44 |
| techrigthssec | present. The next step will be to remove unused files and hardlinks from the | Jan 19 13:44 |
| techrigthssec | directory hierarchy | Jan 19 13:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | Welcome to Open Source Watch https://opensourcewatch.beehiiv.com/p/welcome-to-open-source-watch has SJVN quit Microsoft ZDnet yet? | Jan 19 15:03 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-opensourcewatch.beehiiv.com | Welcome to Open Source Watch | Open Source Watch | Jan 19 15:03 | |
| techrigthssec | We'll see what kind of short leash he will be on. What is the source of | Jan 19 15:06 |
| techrigthssec | funding for that site? | Jan 19 15:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | i wodnered the same | Jan 19 15:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | maybe left zdnet | Jan 19 15:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | maybe twitter also | Jan 19 15:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | he joined pluspora after gulag+ collapsed | Jan 19 15:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | then pluspora collapsed too | Jan 19 15:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | his site lacks rss feeds | Jan 19 15:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | I even scanned source for atom, xml, rss, did some url guessing | Jan 19 15:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | nothing! | Jan 19 15:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | unless you have more creative ways to find feeds | Jan 19 15:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | 20 years ago I wrote bash programs to track changes in sites that lacked feeds | Jan 19 15:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | because I loved RSS | Jan 19 15:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | even edge.org was in my list | Jan 19 15:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | before it went to **** | Jan 19 15:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | so far all 5 stories in this new site are mostly ok | Jan 19 15:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | except rust shilling | Jan 19 15:09 |
| techrigthssec | "The newsletter platform built for growth" | Jan 19 15:09 |
| techrigthssec | https://www.beehiiv.com/ | Jan 19 15:09 |
| techrigthssec | It's not his own site unless he is really branching out from journalism and\ | Jan 19 15:09 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-beehiiv — The newsletter platform built for growth | Jan 19 15:09 | |
| techrigthssec | writing. | Jan 19 15:09 |
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| techrigthssec | gallery: | Jan 19 23:32 |
| techrigthssec | $ find . -type f -print | wc -l | Jan 19 23:32 |
| techrigthssec | 107990 | Jan 19 23:32 |
| techrigthssec | $ du -sh . | Jan 19 23:32 |
| techrigthssec | 2.2G . | Jan 19 23:32 |
| techrigthssec | Many of those files are hard links, it is the screen shots which take | Jan 19 23:32 |
| techrigthssec | up the space afaik | Jan 19 23:32 |
| techrigthssec | There are a lot of them, documenting the appearance of various distro | Jan 19 23:32 |
| techrigthssec | components (desktop of course) | Jan 19 23:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | well done, you have killed a lot of technical debt | Jan 19 23:33 |
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