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schestowitz-TRDaemonFC has pinned down a number of affected MSFT divisionsJan 19 00:55
DaemonFCI was happy to see Microsoft Edge on there.Jan 19 00:55
DaemonFCThey're still gutting it and this is the second batch of firings of CHROMIUM EDGE.Jan 19 00:55
DaemonFCThey already fired about 90% of their Web browser division when they got rid of IE and EdgeHTML as "supported browsers".Jan 19 00:55
DaemonFCIt's important to mention that Chromium Edge was already a skeleton crew compared to IE or EdgeHTML Edge.Jan 19 00:56
DaemonFCAnd now they're laying into these people pretty hard.Jan 19 00:56
schestowitz-TRmust have been a very small teamJan 19 00:56
schestowitz-TRmaybe 100Jan 19 00:56
schestowitz-TRout of 11,000?Jan 19 00:56
DaemonFCThey're not making enough money on Edge to justify employing people except to keep it working.Jan 19 00:57
schestowitz-TRso I want to see where the 1000s areJan 19 00:57
DaemonFCYou figure they'll cut the "Linux" version soon?Jan 19 00:57
schestowitz-TRDaemonFC: yesterday we tried to find ingoJan 19 00:57
DaemonFCHow many people could possibly be using that?Jan 19 00:57
schestowitz-TRinfoJan 19 00:57
schestowitz-TRin this channelJan 19 00:57
schestowitz-TRabout which parts of MSFT were affectedJan 19 00:57
schestowitz-TREdge is ALMOST  the OS partJan 19 00:57
schestowitz-TRit's "cross platform"Jan 19 00:57
schestowitz-TRnot because"microsoft loves l;inuxJan 19 00:57
schestowitz-TRbut because it is chromiumJan 19 00:58
schestowitz-TReither way, azure is impactedJan 19 00:58
schestowitz-TRbut we need to know moreJan 19 00:58
schestowitz-TRit hurts microsoft A LOT when the media says Azure is a fialureJan 19 00:58
schestowitz-TRthe shareholders walk awayJan 19 00:58
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psydruidIt's important to keep emphasising the failure of AzureJan 19 01:51
schestowitz-TRyeahJan 19 01:51
schestowitz-TRpart of the attack on linuxJan 19 01:51
psydruidas it will cut off their oxygen supplyJan 19 01:51
schestowitz-TRwe are clown company -\> WE ARE HEY HI companyJan 19 01:52
schestowitz-TRthey keep shiftingJan 19 01:52
schestowitz-TRas the gaming takeover seems blockedJan 19 01:52
schestowitz-TRUS and EU Jan 19 01:52
schestowitz-TRmaybe UK alsoJan 19 01:52
psydruidthey'll have nowhere to go and will essentially have to cannibalise their products and eventually their organisationJan 19 01:52
schestowitz-TRimagine after all those layoffs they say they spent a fortune buying a gaming companyJan 19 01:53
psydruidI think in the end the takeover will be blockedJan 19 01:53
schestowitz-TRthat might not turn up any profitJan 19 01:53
schestowitz-TRpsydruid: preciselyJan 19 01:53
psydruidthis is going to be an Nvidia/ARM storyJan 19 01:53
psydruidalthough that one made more senseJan 19 01:54
psydruidI think the combined company would have become the top dog within a few years replacing Intel and AMDJan 19 01:55
psydruidthe gaming takeover is just for cooking the booksJan 19 01:55
schestowitz-TRmakes senseJan 19 01:59
schestowitz-TRbiab, have deadline (bulletin cutoff)Jan 19 01:59
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schestowitzRe: Fwd: You called itJan 19 04:13
schestowitz> Yes, it was even on the local m$ fanboi radio here.  I'm wondering what Jan 19 04:13
schestowitz> the 1000s of frauds here who have bluffed their way through their Jan 19 04:13
schestowitz> careers behind m$ products will do.  On one level I do not care, on Jan 19 04:13
schestowitz> another level they will cause trouble and have no other skills than Jan 19 04:13
schestowitz> causing trouble...Jan 19 04:13
psydruidthey got their paycheck, so it did pay off for them while it lastedJan 19 04:19
psydruidbut they should have invested time into learning the "competitor's" products to last in the fieldJan 19 04:20
schestowitz> I got the issue, and, although Ralph's associate xxxxxxxxxxxxxx- he's Jan 19 04:24
schestowitz> the Corporate Crime Reporter - said back in November that my story was Jan 19 04:24
schestowitz> "fascinating" and he wanted to write about it for the January issue, he Jan 19 04:24
schestowitz> didn't.  Several corporate crime bills were introduced in Congress, and Jan 19 04:24
schestowitz> he wrote about them.  Of course, they're more important.Jan 19 04:24
schestowitz> Jan 19 04:24
schestowitz> I sent him an e-mail to maybe get some feedback as to whether he would Jan 19 04:24
schestowitz> write about it in the future, and I've not yet gotten a reply.Jan 19 04:24
schestowitz> Jan 19 04:24
schestowitz> Just yesterday, his website wrote about "corporate capture of the legal Jan 19 04:24
schestowitz> system."  But, if Microsoft/IBM capture the patent office - which is a Jan 19 04:24
schestowitz> legal system - it doesn't matter.Jan 19 04:24
schestowitz> Jan 19 04:24
schestowitz> The simple fact is that nobody cares about inventors and patents - too Jan 19 04:24
schestowitz> complicated and obscure - so they won't write about them.  Even if the Jan 19 04:24
schestowitz> story relates to a pet issue of Ralph Nader.Jan 19 04:24
schestowitz> Jan 19 04:24
schestowitz> The Patent Office can be as incompetent and corrupt and malicious as Jan 19 04:24
schestowitz> they want, and rip-off inventors with impunity, and nobody will do Jan 19 04:25
schestowitz> anything about it.Jan 19 04:25
schestowitz> Jan 19 04:25
schestowitz> https://www.corporatecrimereporter.com/ Jan 19 04:25
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.corporatecrimereporter.com | Corporate Crime ReporterJan 19 04:25
schestowitz> <https://www.corporatecrimereporter.com/>Jan 19 04:25
schestowitzI think you're right. Jan 19 04:25
schestowitzHaving said that, Nader rarely writes about patents.Jan 19 04:25
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schestowitz-TRgood morning!Jan 19 10:37
schestowitz-TRdid I miss anything in the buffer?Jan 19 10:37
techrigthssecgmJan 19 10:37
techrigthssecprobably notJan 19 10:37
techrigthssecThe tens of thousands of microsofters unleashed on the market will be posingJan 19 11:00
techrigthssecas skilled IT staff and naive and/or wishful thinkers will go along withJan 19 11:00
techrigthssecthat no matter how unfounded that posture isJan 19 11:00
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schestowitz-TR30,000 laid off 'softers' (see latest post.; more expected to go or proactively go) is a littleJan 19 11:02
schestowitz-TRin an ocean of unemployed techs and millions of them who compete for a jobJan 19 11:02
schestowitz-TRbetter this than them staying inside the companyJan 19 11:02
schestowitz-TRit was always a concern we had and expressed in ircJan 19 11:02
schestowitz-TRbetter this than the otherJan 19 11:02
schestowitz-TR(still digesting today's good news; won't be "productive" today)Jan 19 11:02
schestowitz-TRthe coconut cake is delicious and we have 4 more on the wayJan 19 11:23
schestowitz-TRwe got 5 bags, 1kg each, for 20 pence eachJan 19 11:23
schestowitz-TRcondensed milk, shredded coco, and butter as main ingredientJan 19 11:23
schestowitz-TRrianne checked in "yewtu.ve"Jan 19 11:23
schestowitz-TRtomorrow we'll buy a lot of stuff, also gifts to the lawyer and paralegalJan 19 11:23
schestowitz-TRrianne has gemini running in emacs now (rpi400)Jan 19 11:26
schestowitz-TRI think it is sweetened (wayyyyyy toooo sweet) condensed milkJan 19 11:26
schestowitz-TRi will share with her recipes laterJan 19 11:26
schestowitz-TRshe has collections of themJan 19 11:26
schestowitz-TRwe also have recipe books ;-)Jan 19 11:26
schestowitz-TRwith more spare time = more cookingJan 19 11:26
schestowitz-TRthanks, i will be slow to respond today and not "productive"Jan 19 11:39
schestowitz-TRalso checking covid rules for flights (ceremony)Jan 19 11:39
schestowitz-TRgonna try to chase links+rss feeds as matter of priorityJan 19 11:39
schestowitz-TRstill very happy to see the situation at MSFTJan 19 11:39
psydruidI see whole conversations about workers' rights after these Microsoft layoffs on Tweakers, whereas I've never seen anything similar for other companiesJan 19 11:39
psydruidand some people hoping the fired employees will find work againJan 19 11:39
psydruidI don't understand why everyone is so Microsoft-minded over hereJan 19 11:40
psydruidthese people need to be retrained and un-brainwashed before they can even hope to enter the job market againJan 19 11:41
techrigthssecM$ is on the edge and could pass a tipping point; remember that historicallyJan 19 11:44
techrigthssecmost of its money has come from monopoly rents in two markets and have lostJan 19 11:44
techrigthssecmoney everywhere else.  There was also that massive loss registered in 1999 or soJan 19 11:44
schestowitz-TRpsydruid: could be astroturfingJan 19 11:45
schestowitz-TRMicrosoft does lots of it in forumsJan 19 11:45
schestowitz-TRand sometimes gets caughtJan 19 11:45
schestowitz-TRsometimes the "partners" do thisJan 19 11:45
psydruidhundreds of comments of astroturfingJan 19 11:45
psydruidit looks like a way to distract from the fact that it's about MicrosoftJan 19 11:46
techrigthssecThe "former" microsofters will remain unsuitable for IT for the remainder of Jan 19 11:46
techrigthssectheir lives and the retraining should focus on work outside of IT where therJan 19 11:46
techrigthssecis a lower risk of recidivismJan 19 11:46
psydruid"let's generalise and make this about IT workers' rights in general"Jan 19 11:46
psydruidI'm wondering if we are indeed at the tipping pointJan 19 11:47
psydruidon my resume I have listed minimum knowledge and skills for Microsoft technologiesJan 19 11:48
psydruidand yet someone on LinkedIn sent me a message about exactly thoseJan 19 11:48
psydruidwhen they could reach out to anyone else who actually has those skillsJan 19 11:49
psydruidI only learn Microsoft technologies for legacy purposes in order to migrate systems to GNU/Linux and the webJan 19 11:51
techrigthssecThe recidivism is not the only problem.  They just have way too manhy fundamental mistakes in their training to hJan 19 11:55
techrigthssecfor it to be feasible to retrain them in IT --Jan 19 11:55
techrigthsseceven if they have the prereqisite mindset.   The employment process at m$Jan 19 11:55
techrigthsseccontinuously weeds out people with those prerequistes. Jan 19 11:55
psydruidI'm just glad I realised it early and stopped using anything Microsoft in the early 2000sJan 19 11:57
techrigthssecm$ always tries to make things bigger than they are; Windows problems are Jan 19 11:58
techrigthssecspun as computer problems; Abuse of their shit bag "employees" is spun as Jan 19 11:58
techrigthsseca general IT workers rights problem, even though m$ has nothing to do with  Jan 19 11:58
techrigthssecactual ITJan 19 11:58
psydruidand I started using PCs in the era where GNU/Linux was becoming viableJan 19 11:58
psydruidyeah, that's what it isJan 19 11:59
psydruidit makes sense nowJan 19 11:59
psydruidno wonder the entire topic gets derailedJan 19 11:59
schestowitz-TRgoing to check some rumour mills in a secJan 19 12:00
schestowitz-TRto give further insightJan 19 12:00
schestowitz-TRapologies upfront again for slowness, it's chaotic here in terms of train of thought (for good reasons)Jan 19 12:07
schestowitz-TRbut not much will get done todayJan 19 12:07
schestowitz-TRlooking for "gossip" re layoffsJan 19 12:07
schestowitz-TRwe can get more "scoops"Jan 19 12:07
schestowitz-TRneed to know more about which divisions, esp. 'azure'Jan 19 12:07
schestowitz-TRi don't search that often enoughJan 19 12:07
schestowitz-TRbut to hurt the company you know more or less what needs discoveringJan 19 12:07
techrigthssecmy advice...Jan 19 12:08
schestowitz-TRpsydruid: don't waste time there tbhJan 19 12:09
schestowitz-TRyou would be better off spending time in a place not infested with "damage control" goonsJan 19 12:09
schestowitz-TRdon't dance in their own "platform"Jan 19 12:09
schestowitz-TRfind your ownJan 19 12:09
schestowitz-TRmake some noise thereJan 19 12:09
psydruidI am not responding, I just read and noticed the tendencyJan 19 12:10
schestowitz-TRthey can just demoralise and downvote people to oblivionJan 19 12:10
schestowitz-TRmaking them feel like they said something "wrong"Jan 19 12:10
schestowitz-TRit's like going to gab to "fight" nazisJan 19 12:10
psydruidand it seems way off compared to what it should beJan 19 12:10
schestowitz-TRyou are outnumbered and outgunnedJan 19 12:10
schestowitz-TRaggi cannot even stay in irc longJan 19 12:10
schestowitz-TRbecause he is "loner"Jan 19 12:10
psydruidso I am wondering if it is downplayed in anglophone media tooJan 19 12:10
schestowitz-TRand nobody agrees with himJan 19 12:10
schestowitz-TRexcept crowsJan 19 12:10
schestowitz-TRpsydruid: people in Microsoft noticed the sameJan 19 12:11
schestowitz-TRI quoted one exampleJan 19 12:11
schestowitz-TRthey criticise the mediaJan 19 12:11
schestowitz-TRsome in the forums criticise thatJan 19 12:11
schestowitz-TRbut someone repliesJan 19 12:11
schestowitz-TRit's "paid-for"Jan 19 12:11
schestowitz-TRIBM and Microsoft still have a lot of control over media, also onlineJan 19 12:11
schestowitz-TRand they 'bury' bad newsJan 19 12:12
schestowitz-TRsame playbookJan 19 12:12
techrigthssecMade progress in processing the tm-gallery archive but finding some deep Jan 19 12:26
techrigthssecpages which are not yet harvested.  Using the RAM disk for the work savesJan 19 12:26
techrigthssecwaiting by about an order of magnitudeJan 19 12:26
techrigthssecNow trying to ennumerate the missing URLs Jan 19 12:28
schestowitz-TRmy dad used some of those distros and versionsJan 19 12:30
schestowitz-TRwith firefoxJan 19 12:30
schestowitz-TRback when tuxmachines was in the firefox bookmark thingie in the toolbarJan 19 12:31
schestowitz-TRin PCLinuxOSJan 19 12:31
schestowitz-TRmaybe one day these reference pages will help explain how the platform evolvedJan 19 12:31
schestowitz-TRI do not myself do disro reviews as I learned frome xperience it take aLOTJan 19 12:31
schestowitz-TRof work to do PROPERLYJan 19 12:31
schestowitz-TRlike using it for weeks, installing a ton of thingsJan 19 12:31
schestowitz-TRjust for one articleJan 19 12:31
schestowitz-TRnot even counting screenmshots, text, proofreadingJan 19 12:31
schestowitz-TRmany reviews were done in the pastJan 19 12:31
schestowitz-TRwhen the www brought more trafficJan 19 12:31
schestowitz-TRbecause "sound bites" of social control mediaJan 19 12:31
techrigthssecYes, a proper review takes a lot of time and work.  It'd probably take a wholeJan 19 12:34
techrigthssecweel for each one, or at least two or three days even if done quickly.Jan 19 12:34
schestowitz-TRnot enoughJan 19 12:35
schestowitz-TRsome "pretend" to do reviewJan 19 12:35
schestowitz-TRchecking wallpapers, clicking thingsJan 19 12:35
schestowitz-TRthat's NOT a reviewJan 19 12:35
schestowitz-TRyou need to install many things with the package managerJan 19 12:35
schestowitz-TRI've stopped using Fedora after 14, MoondhineJan 19 12:36
schestowitz-TRsome crucial packages were not properly handledJan 19 12:36
schestowitz-TRso I wasted time in the labJan 19 12:36
schestowitz-TRstuff like gnuplotJan 19 12:36
schestowitz-TRfor octaveJan 19 12:36
techrigthssecThat's not a proper review and does not fool people, or at least it does not  Jan 19 12:36
techrigthssecfool them for long.Jan 19 12:36
techrigthssecok, I think the gallery archive has all links working and might have all filesJan 19 13:44
techrigthssecpresent.  The next step will be to remove unused files and hardlinks from theJan 19 13:44
techrigthssecdirectory hierarchy Jan 19 13:44
schestowitz-TRWelcome to Open Source Watch https://opensourcewatch.beehiiv.com/p/welcome-to-open-source-watch has SJVN quit Microsoft ZDnet yet?Jan 19 15:03
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-opensourcewatch.beehiiv.com | Welcome to Open Source Watch | Open Source WatchJan 19 15:03
techrigthssecWe'll see what kind of short leash he will be on.  What is the source of Jan 19 15:06
techrigthssecfunding for that site?Jan 19 15:06
schestowitz-TRi wodnered the sameJan 19 15:09
schestowitz-TRmaybe left zdnetJan 19 15:09
schestowitz-TRmaybe twitter alsoJan 19 15:09
schestowitz-TRhe joined pluspora after gulag+ collapsedJan 19 15:09
schestowitz-TRthen pluspora collapsed tooJan 19 15:09
schestowitz-TRhis site lacks rss feedsJan 19 15:09
schestowitz-TRI even scanned source for atom, xml, rss, did some url guessingJan 19 15:09
schestowitz-TRnothing!Jan 19 15:09
schestowitz-TRunless you have more creative ways to find feedsJan 19 15:09
schestowitz-TR20 years ago I wrote bash programs to track changes in sites that lacked feedsJan 19 15:09
schestowitz-TRbecause I loved RSSJan 19 15:09
schestowitz-TReven edge.org was in my listJan 19 15:09
schestowitz-TRbefore it went to ****Jan 19 15:09
schestowitz-TRso far all 5 stories in this new site are mostly okJan 19 15:09
schestowitz-TRexcept rust shillingJan 19 15:09
techrigthssec"The newsletter platform built for growth"Jan 19 15:09
techrigthssechttps://www.beehiiv.com/Jan 19 15:09
techrigthssecIt's not his own site unless he is really branching out from journalism and\Jan 19 15:09
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-beehiiv — The newsletter platform built for growthJan 19 15:09
techrigthssecwriting.Jan 19 15:09
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techrigthssecgallery:Jan 19 23:32
techrigthssec$ find . -type f -print | wc -lJan 19 23:32
techrigthssec107990Jan 19 23:32
techrigthssec$ du -sh .Jan 19 23:32
techrigthssec2.2G    .Jan 19 23:32
techrigthssecMany of those files are hard links, it is the screen shots which take      Jan 19 23:32
techrigthssecup the space afaik Jan 19 23:32
techrigthssecThere are a lot of them, documenting the appearance of various distroJan 19 23:32
techrigthsseccomponents (desktop  of course)Jan 19 23:32
schestowitz-TRwell done, you have killed a lot of technical debtJan 19 23:33

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