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[06:58] Techrights-sec the arrangement of the Apache2 configuration files is a bit strange there [06:58] Techrights-sec the SSL vhost is defined twice, once in httpd,conf once in ssl.conf, [06:58] Techrights-sec there should only be one ● Jul 19 [07:00] schestowitz-TR back [07:00] schestowitz-TR by all means shugffle them around as you see fit [07:00] schestowitz-TR I just did it quickly to get it running [07:00] schestowitz-TR I suppose we can adduser git [07:00] schestowitz-TR and then manage tuxmachines files separately there [07:00] schestowitz-TR to get in as root [07:00] schestowitz-TR you can come via the hv [07:00] schestowitz-TR from the ssh route it is tuxmachines [07:00] Techrights-sec ok thanks [07:00] schestowitz-TR I installlled nano today [07:07] schestowitz-TR I've not made a list of steps so far, but [07:07] schestowitz-TR tuxmahcines creatdd [07:07] schestowitz-TR ssh added, enabled, made to restart on reboot [07:07] schestowitz-TR same for apache2 and apache2-ssl [07:07] schestowitz-TR generated pair basic config for apache [07:07] schestowitz-TR added nano, I think that's it [07:07] schestowitz-TR I've just written root history to /home/tuxmachines [07:07] schestowitz-TR some of these steps will be sim,ilar for techrights (later) [07:07] Techrights-sec ack [07:59] Techrights-sec I've shuffled it around alittle but the directory permissions are causing the [07:59] Techrights-sec trouble. The new vhost file is at : /etc/apache2/conf.d/tuxmachines.org.conf [07:59] Techrights-sec The logs are showing up fine, but access is still blocked. [07:59] Techrights-sec ok the syntax was the matter. I was remembering the old, deprecated syntax [07:59] Techrights-sec I'd like to rename the TLS certificate files to match the host name but will [07:59] Techrights-sec put that off for a bit ● Jul 19 [08:06] schestowitz-TR thanks, just got back again [08:06] schestowitz-TR testing gz backups after the xfs_repair [08:06] Techrights-sec np [08:06] Techrights-sec looking at setting up git [08:06] Techrights-sec I've made the directory / repository but now have to work out the login details [08:06] Techrights-sec have to take a pause though [08:13] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [08:17] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [08:56] *psydruid has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [08:57] *XFaCE has quit (Quit: Retiring completely for now ("Automatic for the people, thanks for all the fish")) [08:57] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [08:57] *asusbox has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [08:57] *schestowitz[TR] has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [08:57] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [08:57] *libertybox_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [08:57] *Techrights-sec has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [08:57] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [08:57] *schestowitz-TR has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [08:57] *Techrights-sec2 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [08:57] *liberty_box_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [08:57] *chunky has quit (Quit: brb) [08:58] *libertybox has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [08:58] *spazzz has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [08:58] *schestowitz[TR2] has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [08:58] *chunky (~chunky@wa5c3nj9mkua2.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [08:58] *mjg59_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [08:58] *rianne_ (~rianne@hcdms2vr9hu9e.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [08:59] *asusbox (~rianne@hcdms2vr9hu9e.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [08:59] *schestowitz-TR (~acer-box@hcdms2vr9hu9e.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [08:59] *Techrights-sec (~quassel@hcdms2vr9hu9e.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [08:59] *Techrights-sec2 (~quassel@hcdms2vr9hu9e.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [08:59] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@5tcc2vuaj9aks.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [08:59] *libertybox (~schestowitz_log@hcdms2vr9hu9e.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jul 19 [09:00] *libertybox_ (~schestowitz_log@hcdms2vr9hu9e.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [09:00] *spazzz (~spazz@urifce6zxwtdi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [09:00] *schestowitz[TR] (~schestowitz[TR]@hcdms2vr9hu9e.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [09:00] *liberty_box_ (~liberty@hcdms2vr9hu9e.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [09:00] *liberty_box (~liberty@hcdms2vr9hu9e.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [09:00] *schestowitz[TR2] (~schestowitz[TR]@hcdms2vr9hu9e.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [09:01] *mjg59_ (~mjg59@ajm54sra9b86c.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [09:01] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [09:02] *XFaCE (~XFaCE@uzfeivw9fp6ba.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [09:22] *britney has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [09:37] *Disconnected (Connection reset by peer). [09:38] *Now talking on #boycottnovell [09:38] *Topic for #boycottnovell is: TechRights.org | Channel #boycottnovell for http://TechRights.org | Free Software Sentry watching and reporting maneuvers of those who oppose software freedom :: please also join channels #techrights and #boycottnovell-social [09:38] *Topic for #boycottnovell set by schestowitz!~roy@haii6za73zabc.irc at Tue Jun 1 20:22:10 2021 [09:38] *libertybox (~schestowitz_log@hcdms2vr9hu9e.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [09:38] *libertybox_ (~schestowitz_log@hcdms2vr9hu9e.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [09:39] *schestowitz[TR] (~schestowitz[TR]@hcdms2vr9hu9e.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [09:39] *schestowitz[TR2] (~schestowitz[TR]@hcdms2vr9hu9e.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [09:40] *mjg59_ (~mjg59@ajm54sra9b86c.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [09:53] *Despatche has quit (connection closed) [09:53] *psydroid2 has quit (connection closed) [09:53] *qa2 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [09:53] *Despatche (~desp@u3xy9z2ifjzci.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [09:53] *Seaduck- has quit (Quit: ZNC 1.8.2+deb2+b1 - https://znc.in) [09:53] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [09:53] *chunky has quit (connection closed) [09:53] *qa2 (~sid145515@frp6gv52kp9fi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [09:53] *Seaduck- (~seaduck@ys9kag65kxsiu.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [09:53] *chunky (~chunky@wa5c3nj9mkua2.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [09:54] *Techrights-sec has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [09:54] *Techrights-sec2 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [09:54] *schestowitz-TR has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [09:54] *schestowitz has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [09:54] *Techrights-sec (~quassel@hcdms2vr9hu9e.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [09:54] *liberty_box_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [09:54] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [09:54] *schestowitz (~roy@hcdms2vr9hu9e.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [09:54] *irc.techrights.org sets mode +q #boycottnovell schestowitz [09:55] *liberty_box_ (~liberty@hcdms2vr9hu9e.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [09:55] *schestowitz-TR (~acer-box@hcdms2vr9hu9e.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [09:55] *rianne_ (~rianne@hcdms2vr9hu9e.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [09:56] *Techrights-sec2 (~quassel@hcdms2vr9hu9e.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jul 19 [10:30] schestowitz-TR updating the pi here, I reckon it's already imperfect in that state anyway [10:30] schestowitz-TR maybe the update will fix the issues we had before [10:30] schestowitz-TR kaniini got a new ampere machine and wants to put new techrights on it [10:30] schestowitz-TR it's like 160 very fast 3.3ghz arm cores [10:43] Techrights-sec2 great [10:57] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@tseqi6giwme3s.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jul 19 [11:25] *psydroid2 has quit (connection closed) [11:27] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [11:28] *Despatche has quit (Quit: Read error: Connection reset by deer) [11:42] schestowitz-TR are today's daily links on the way still? [11:42] schestowitz-TR I have some nuclear material on Microsoft,, I think I'm meanwhile working on thjat [11:43] Techrights-sec2 yes in progress [11:49] Techrights-sec2 excellent [11:49] Techrights-sec2 uploaded, now back to prodding Git [11:49] Techrights-sec2 a brief description of the images is needed in the draft [11:50] schestowitz-TR draft [11:50] schestowitz-TR fast and crude [11:50] schestowitz-TR I think the docs are the important thing for now [11:50] schestowitz-TR adding captions etc. and morew links [11:55] Techrights-sec2 thanks ● Jul 19 [12:44] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [12:55] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@tseqi6giwme3s.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jul 19 [13:01] Techrights-sec2 taking a rest from cargoculting a Git repository for now [13:01] schestowitz-TR do you find alpine OK to work with so far? [13:10] Techrights-sec2 alpine is great, thanks, [13:11] *Despatche (~desp@u3xy9z2ifjzci.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [13:13] Techrights-sec2 Git itself is quite confusing still [13:14] schestowitz-TR I am far from git expert, I did use svn and cvs in he days [13:14] schestowitz-TR but torvalds made git very simple for a few months [13:14] schestowitz-TR then others took over [13:14] schestowitz-TR same for linux [13:14] schestowitz-TR now it seems common for companies like microsoft (github) to "take over" [13:14] schestowitz-TR "step aside, we'll take it from here" [13:14] schestowitz-TR and add things for selfish business reasons [13:14] schestowitz-TR same in gcc any time a company introduces a new product [13:14] Techrights-sec2 ack [13:14] Techrights-sec2 the simplicity is no longer present :/ [13:16] schestowitz-TR buy our interfaces, egst subscriptions etc. [13:16] schestowitz-TR it'll be simpler [13:16] schestowitz-TR (systemd, gitlab, github, etc. [13:16] schestowitz-TR open core [13:16] schestowitz-TR openshit [sic], ansible, podman... [13:16] schestowitz-TR mr. openshit just became red hat ceo [13:17] Techrights-sec2 yep, lock-in through excessive complexity [13:17] Techrights-sec2 ack [13:19] schestowitz-TR git is noit grassroots [13:19] schestowitz-TR watch all the release announcments [13:19] schestowitz-TR they link to a microsoft site [13:19] schestowitz-TR selling a PROPRIETARY EEE against git [13:19] schestowitz-TR microsoft knew what it paid for [13:19] schestowitz-TR while 'drpizza' greased up the takeiover [13:19] schestowitz-TR along with zemlinb [13:19] schestowitz-TR btw, ryan noticed ars removed none of his 'articles' (microsoft planbt) [13:19] schestowitz-TR they just changed author name to something egneric [13:19] schestowitz-TR that's conde nasty [13:21] Techrights-sec2 interesting [13:21] schestowitz-TR microsoft: we found some kid rapist to push our strategic puff pieces saying how we use git internally, [13:21] schestowitz-TR how much we lovfe it, how we're open source company... [13:21] schestowitz-TR he came from british Library [13:21] schestowitz-TR which ms used for ooxml advocacy in us (ve bsi) [13:21] schestowitz-TR adam fuquar (iirc) [13:21] Techrights-sec2 ack [13:23] schestowitz-TR mit: we took microsoft and esptein/gates money [13:23] schestowitz-TR now we need to delete some things to cover it uo, also cancel some people [13:23] schestowitz-TR arse: we took microsoft money and had employed microsoft pedos [13:23] schestowitz-TR it's ok, we'll chance the name on the articles ● Jul 19 [14:02] schestowitz-TR Hackaday starts publishing sponsored SPAM https://hackaday.com/2022/07/18/print-your-own-drill-guide-without-a-linear-bearing/ | Source: Hacka [14:02] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Print Your Own Drill Guide Without A Linear Bearing | Hackaday [14:10] Techrights-sec2 :( [14:16] schestowitz-TR is this key-based or password? [14:16] schestowitz-TR adding my key [14:16] Techrights-sec2 key-based. add a public key to ~git/.ssh/authorized_keys [14:16] Techrights-sec2 git is hard to modify so I hope I have hammered out all the details [14:16] Techrights-sec2 otherwise, I'll just have to erase and start over yet again [14:16] Techrights-sec2 I need to lock down the account too, right now it is still shell access + git [14:16] Techrights-sec2 it needs to be git-only [14:19] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [14:20] Techrights-sec2 ack [14:20] Techrights-sec2 only hand-made files go in ./htdocs and the scripts need to find another home [14:20] Techrights-sec2 yes, about all of them [14:21] schestowitz-TR have you added any files yet? [14:21] Techrights-sec2 except the Apache2 config [14:21] Techrights-sec2 try cloning and you can see what is there [14:22] schestowitz Cloning into 'tuxmachines.org'... [14:22] schestowitz remote: Enumerating objects: 44, done. [14:22] schestowitz remote: Counting objects: 100% (44/44), done. [14:22] schestowitz remote: Compressing objects: 100% (38/38), done. [14:22] schestowitz remote: Total 44 (delta 8), reused 0 (delta 0), pack-reused 0 [14:22] schestowitz Receiving objects: 100% (44/44), 26.64 KiB | 153.00 KiB/s, done. [14:22] schestowitz Resolving deltas: 100% (8/8), done. [14:22] schestowitz warning: remote HEAD refers to nonexistent ref, unable to checkout. [14:24] schestowitz-TR whcih brnach name? [14:24] schestowitz-TR ah [14:25] Techrights-sec2 hmm. that's Git for you. [14:25] Techrights-sec2 tuxmachines.org [14:25] Techrights-sec2 Like I mentioned, I know nothing about Git and even less about established [14:25] Techrights-sec2 best practices with Git [14:26] Techrights-sec2 maybe the branch can be renamed, maybe not [14:28] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@582xrhwbmd33y.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [14:33] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [14:40] schestowitz-TR I think there is no HEAD yet [14:40] Techrights-sec2 the branch needs to be renamed then :/ [14:40] Techrights-sec2 $ git branch -m HEAD [14:40] Techrights-sec2 fatal: 'HEAD' is not a valid branch name [14:53] schestowitz-TR exxxx-ce-lent [14:53] schestowitz-TR I think later I will reuse the TR code to expose this repo over gemini:// [14:53] schestowitz-TR as it would take little extra effort [14:53] Techrights-sec2 I'm still years away from being either useful or comfortable with Git :( [14:56] schestowitz-TR people who say git is simple are imho posers [14:56] schestowitz-TR i think I said it before [14:56] schestowitz-TR git is not n00b friendly [14:56] schestowitz-TR then again, people who push git [sic] as a disservice like github [14:56] schestowitz-TR are evn worse [14:56] schestowitz-TR they offer a prison as "nice place where you don't need to work and food is free" [14:56] schestowitz-TR of coruse prisons are terrible places [14:56] schestowitz-TR (maybe less so in norway) [14:59] Techrights-sec2 It's not anybody friendly. The documentation is long but not clear. [14:59] Techrights-sec2 So one has to hunt for articles with examples and /still/ do hours of trial [14:59] Techrights-sec2 and error and wipe-and-start-over [14:59] Techrights-sec2 There is a most despicable movement to try to conflate Git with GitHub and [14:59] Techrights-sec2 many microsofters are part of that. [14:59] Techrights-sec2 or so it looks like. [14:59] Techrights-sec2 Well what I expected to take 1 or at most 2 hours with Git, has turned into the [14:59] Techrights-sec2 whole day and there are still a lot of loose ends to tidy up [14:59] Techrights-sec2 by the way: [14:59] Techrights-sec2 $ cp hooks/pre-commit.sample hooks/pre-commit [14:59] Techrights-sec2 inside the checked out repository will add some minimal checking [14:59] Techrights-sec2 . [14:59] schestowitz-TR you check for blacks in TR [14:59] schestowitz-TR a bit tedious sometimes but encourages better quality [14:59] schestowitz-TR I pushed saome changes last night [14:59] schestowitz-TR so that in irc when I add a link to youtube it gives both invidious [14:59] schestowitz-TR and a link to gemini, where you can download the videos [14:59] schestowitz-TR the thing that took a few minutes is appeasing the pre-commit check ● Jul 19 [15:00] Techrights-sec2 ack [15:00] Techrights-sec2 s/blacks/blanks/ [15:19] *Despatche has quit (Quit: Read error: Connection reset by deer) [15:22] schestowitz-TR rianne getting truly pissed off at how hard it is to book a train ticket [15:22] schestowitz-TR tried librewold [15:22] schestowitz-TR tried firefox [15:23] schestowitz-TR tried paypal [15:23] schestowitz-TR complete disaster [15:23] schestowitz-TR CS graduate [15:23] schestowitz-TR imagine what old people go through [15:23] schestowitz-TR and in some station they barerly have any staff [15:23] schestowitz-TR maybe they have sokme "app" BS these days [15:23] schestowitz-TR tech: it'll make life easier... for corporations [15:31] schestowitz-TR rianne loses her temper and it' 36 degrees [15:31] schestowitz-TR the site kleeps blaming "browser" [15:31] schestowitz-TR "make sure.. browser.. something" [15:31] schestowitz-TR when it's clear not the issue [15:31] schestowitz-TR just walking there to buy a ticket with cash in hand would have been faster [15:31] schestowitz-TR and would have produced less sweat [15:31] schestowitz-TR this is why I tend to avoid "sites" and "apps" and all thius utter fing sh* [15:32] Techrights-sec2 The sites are not designed with efficiency or usability in mind, that is not [15:32] Techrights-sec2 even taught in schools any more; they are all about "engagement" even in [15:32] Techrights-sec2 ostensibly commercial sites which have a financial incentive to provide an [15:32] Techrights-sec2 easy means for people to solve their tasks and get on with their day [15:32] schestowitz-TR I never tried self-checkouts, but each store has its own UI and it's not my job to learn these [15:37] Techrights-sec2 when the UI does not work, and sales plummet, they assholes blame the "market" [15:37] Techrights-sec2 or the "economy" rather than their bad design. I've known people who in the [15:37] Techrights-sec2 past had to change airlines becaue their prefered airline's web site was [15:37] Techrights-sec2 unviable and could not sell tickets even after contacting the company. [15:39] schestowitz-TR That airline has suffered terribly financially yet none of the public [15:39] schestowitz-TR reports have ever blamed the web UI nor have they fixed the web UI so that [15:39] schestowitz-TR it is actually possible to order tickets. [15:39] Techrights-sec2 That airline has suffered terribly financially yet none of the public [15:39] Techrights-sec2 reports have ever blamed the web UI nor have they fixed the web UI so that [15:39] Techrights-sec2 it is actually possible to order tickets. [15:52] schestowitz-TR she ended up paying more to book via a third party site [15:52] schestowitz-TR abetter known site [15:52] schestowitz-TR so the train operators have sites that do not work [15:52] schestowitz-TR and do not tell you upfront [15:52] schestowitz-TR they enbd up being reliant on those congglemerates that charge extra fees [15:52] schestowitz-TR ain't that something? [15:52] schestowitz-TR and it took almost an hour to book [15:52] schestowitz-TR (not for me, for her, I plan to stay home those 3 days) [15:52] schestowitz-TR bus (coach) not an option due to lack of distancing (covid-19) [15:56] Techrights-sec2 I've made a backup of the Git repository now, and will take a break from it [15:59] schestowitz-TR excellent job [15:59] schestowitz-TR so now we have two repos [15:59] schestowitz-TR on my machine one is called Git-TM [15:59] schestowitz-TR going to the park now [15:59] schestowitz-TR it's too humid here at this time [15:59] schestowitz-TR we'll feed birds and burn energy [15:59] Techrights-sec2 no [15:59] Techrights-sec2 ^np [15:59] schestowitz-TR I struggle tro record vieos, but tomorrow it'll be cool again ● Jul 19 [16:51] *britney (~britney@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jul 19 [17:11] *wallacer has quit (Quit: wallace dozed off) [17:11] *wallacer (~quassel@6bsu33ajs4zs4.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [17:48] schestowitz-TR back [17:48] schestowitz-TR even went past the graveyard, read some stones [17:48] schestowitz-TR but mostly pas the stadium and water sources [17:48] schestowitz-TR for the sake of walk and sun [17:48] schestowitz-TR I'll try to clean rss feeds now, it has cooled down a lot [17:48] schestowitz-TR cloudy too [17:48] schestowitz-TR we got pieapple for like 90% off (full pineapple) [17:48] schestowitz-TR we have excess food at the moment [17:48] schestowitz-TR cooking it to elongate lifetime [17:49] Techrights-sec2 ack [17:49] Techrights-sec2 nice [17:50] schestowitz-TR we still have one very large cake with frosting, very good cake, but it's not a priority to finish [17:51] schestowitz-TR food shortages have pushed up price, availabnility down, sometimes prices almost double [17:51] schestowitz-TR so hoarding sales is even more strategic now [17:53] schestowitz-TR blame the russian covid drought ● Jul 19 [18:00] schestowitz-TR one needs a bit of creativity for the art of rebellion against injustices and I think RMS [18:00] schestowitz-TR did that to the rntal/estate industry in a way I double not, [18:00] schestowitz-TR though I did try to prolong student accommodation and checked several times over if [18:00] schestowitz-TR any loopholes existed [18:00] schestowitz-TR these places include power and water in the price, plus no council tax (students) [18:00] schestowitz-TR so cost of living can be very low [18:09] Techrights-sec2 With software much of that can be seen with the rise of what is effectively [18:09] Techrights-sec2 digital sharecropping. Instead of using software to spread freedom, [18:09] Techrights-sec2 enlightenment, and self-empowerment, it is being used to bring outdated [18:09] Techrights-sec2 models and ways of thinking into the digital era so that there is effectively [18:09] Techrights-sec2 a serfdom once again. [18:09] Techrights-sec2 That's the opposite direction of what is good for society, the opposite of [18:09] Techrights-sec2 what RMS had worked so hard for up until he was cancelled. [18:12] schestowitz-TR low cost of living is a liberating factor [18:12] schestowitz-TR but that requires buying in a particular fashion, if at all [18:12] schestowitz-TR I keep hearing about spouses (usually wives) who spend to the full capacity of the income [18:12] schestowitz-TR if not beyoind (credit card) [18:12] schestowitz-TR nothing is ever enough [18:12] schestowitz-TR and I think it's by advertising and peer pressure [18:12] schestowitz-TR FB mixes those two things/factors [18:12] Techrights-sec2 or just ripping off so much unearned money that the cost of things is [18:12] Techrights-sec2 relatively speaking, trivial [18:12] Techrights-sec2 ack [18:14] schestowitz-TR banksters make the most money from people whose balance is minus something [18:15] schestowitz-TR so this self-harming behaviour (risk,stress) is acteively encouraged [18:15] schestowitz-TR and made to be seen as normal [18:15] schestowitz-TR they tell people het their credit reports are better if they have a credit card and are [18:15] schestowitz-TR in debt of some kind [18:15] schestowitz-TR they don't like savers who do not "invest" [18:15] Techrights-sec2 s/make/take/ [18:16] schestowitz-TR my mom lost a lot of her savings during covid years [18:16] schestowitz-TR she "invested" [18:16] schestowitz-TR like "everyone told her" [18:16] Techrights-sec2 by redefining gambling and speculation to mean "invest" [18:16] Techrights-sec2 :( [18:19] schestowitz-TR grayson: don't get ill. if you get ill, die quickly [18:19] schestowitz-TR me: don't stop working. if you retire, die quickly [18:19] schestowitz-TR don't save money. if you do, you are breaking the rules and we're reverse -mortgage your life till "mort" [18:22] schestowitz-TR repairing the bank's home at one's own expense before handing it over to the bank [18:22] schestowitz-TR to resell to the next "maintainer" [18:26] schestowitz-TR a) fake capital growth relies on mssivelyt inflation the worth of something (c/s EPO bubble) [18:27] schestowitz-TR e.g. Appele at 3,000,000 million, riding the money of "inbvestors" [18:27] schestowitz-TR b) if you sell a home at x10 the price of the material that build it and buy another [18:27] schestowitz-TR you would still need to payx10 more than its real value [18:27] schestowitz-TR so it's not even great as an investment if yoiu actuall live in it [18:27] schestowitz-TR it favours saudis and chinese tycoons who buy homes by the blocks [18:27] schestowitz-TR polaying Monopoly ((R) [18:27] Techrights-sec2 Apple is a finance company with a minor sideline in hardware and an abandoned [18:27] Techrights-sec2 past in design [18:27] Techrights-sec2 Heck, I expect that M$ probably makes more from financialization than any of [18:27] Techrights-sec2 its "goods" or services combined ● Jul 19 [19:10] schestowitz-TR thomas lord has died [19:10] schestowitz-TR aged 56 [19:10] schestowitz-TR Tom Lord RIP Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167417 [19:11] Techrights-sec2 :( [19:11] Techrights-sec2 I read his writing rather often and liked the technical topics he coverred [19:11] Techrights-sec2 What happened to him? [19:11] Techrights-sec2 any obituary to point to? [19:11] Techrights-sec2 [19:11] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.tuxmachines.org | Tom Lord RIP | Tux Machines [19:16] Techrights-sec2 ack [19:17] Techrights-sec2 https://berkeleydailyplanet.com/issue/2022-06-26/article/49837 [19:18] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-berkeleydailyplanet.com | Thomas Lord 1966-2022. Category: Obituaries from The Berkeley Daily Planet [19:24] Techrights-sec2 The Andrew project was immensely important and provided capabilities that [19:24] Techrights-sec2 universities (and the private sector) no longer have [19:25] schestowitz-TR the article says unexpected, so I assume medical issue [19:25] schestowitz-TR whether a known one or not, it says unexpected ● Jul 19 [20:01] Techrights-sec2 Capabilities with file sharing have gone backwards and are now very far behind [20:01] Techrights-sec2 what the Andrew project had once had with the resulting global AFS network ● Jul 19 [21:10] *britney has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [21:24] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@tseqi6giwme3s.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [21:29] *britney (~britney@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [21:40] schestowitz-TR https://nitter.it/TheReachOut/status/1549364527212396544#m [21:40] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-The-Unreachables (@TheReachOut): "Charity Navigator Does Not Recommend Giving Money to the Open Source Initiative (OSI) | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/06/19/osi-in-charity-navigator/"|nitter.it ● Jul 19 [22:24] *Despatche (~desp@u3xy9z2ifjzci.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [22:51] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [22:52] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Connection closed) [22:53] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [22:54] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@5tcc2vuaj9aks.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jul 19 [23:11] *psydroid2 has quit (connection closed) [23:11] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [23:40] *britney has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [23:51] *britney (~britney@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [23:54] *psydroid2 has quit (connection closed)