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[07:25] schestowitz__[TR] > [07:25] schestowitz__[TR] > Apparently he has been collaborating with Nat on several venture capital [07:26] schestowitz__[TR] > projects. [07:26] schestowitz__[TR] > [07:26] schestowitz__[TR] > He is very vocal publicly about being a feminist. I hope this will [07:26] schestowitz__[TR] > dissuade him from working with Nat in the future. [07:26] schestowitz__[TR] Very good. [07:26] schestowitz__[TR] All these people (inc. de Icaza) are very closely connected since 20+ years ago. [07:26] schestowitz__[TR] Like I said, the harm they're done to advance their careers isn't forgettable. [07:26] schestowitz__[TR] 15 years ago I was on the radio (US) with Miguel de Icaza when he was promoting Microsoft's lock-in openly and shamelessly. [07:26] schestowitz__[TR] They're users. These people are users. They lack empathy. [07:32] Techrights-sec2 ack [07:32] Techrights-sec2 I would paint them even less positively than that. 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[14:57] schestowitz__[TR] There is nothing intelligent in AI, but it is certainly purely artificial. [14:57] schestowitz__[TR] Rather than to come up with nice legal theories, not to speak about sui-generis law for AI, it would be more intelligent for the legislator to push for full transparency, or at least explicability of AI systems. [14:57] schestowitz__[TR] Without any knowledge of the correlation algorithm and as important the training data, nobody will be in the situation to assess whether the result of an AI system is acceptable or not! [14:57] schestowitz__[TR] This is the real problem and any fancy theory whether an AI system can invent anything. [14:57] schestowitz__[TR] By its mere essence, I claim, it cannot invent anything. [14:57] schestowitz__[TR] Mr Thaler should get a first class diploma in PR and legal gobbledygook. [14:57] schestowitz__[TR] " [14:58] schestowitz__[TR] http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/12/opinion-can-ai-system-be-inventor.html?showComment=1639412232873#c7972586518215140438 [14:58] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ipkitten.blogspot.com | [Opinion] Can an AI system be an inventor ? - The IPKat [14:58] schestowitz__[TR] " [14:58] schestowitz__[TR] It's all very well spouting Cogito ergo Sum, but perhaps it is better to take it in context. Immediately prior to that 3 word sound bite comes another, namely Dubio ergo Cogito (I doubt. Therefore I think.) Sure, we can debate all night whether a machine can "think". But i would prefer to follow a debate about whether a machine can 8or ever will) experience the agonies of doubt. [14:58] schestowitz__[TR] Me, I much prefer the notion (borrowed from US law) that an "inventor" has to have "possession" of the claimed subject matter before the subject matter of the putative claim can be seen as a patentable invention. Who has "possession"? Not the machine but perhaps the human who assesses for patentability that which the machine delivers as its output? [14:58] schestowitz__[TR] BTW: I really did enjoy (above) the spell-check correction of "burgeoning" to read "the bludgeoning legal literature". Perhaps the spell-check brain used by the good professors can see better than us humans, what chracteristics the legal literature exhibits? [14:58] schestowitz__[TR] " [14:59] *liberty_box (~liberty@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Dec 19 [15:00] schestowitz__[TR] http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/12/the-spc-alphabet-are-combination.html?showComment=1639393227963#c4100763144587942997 [15:00] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ipkitten.blogspot.com | The SPC alphabet: Are combination product SPCs precluded by Article 3(a), (c) and/or (d)? - The IPKat [15:00] schestowitz__[TR] " [15:00] schestowitz__[TR] The new reference makes plain what has been evident for some time, namely that there is confusion and disharmony regarding the interpretations of the different subsections of Art 3. However, I am not sure whether asking the CJEU a question relating to one of the subsections of Art 3 is the best way to clear up all of the confusion. [15:00] schestowitz__[TR] In cases such as Actavis I, Actavis II and Clonmel, the courts have essentially decided that the "product" is not what was stated on the SPC application. That is all very well, but what causes confusion is the fact that the courts have relied upon a specific subsection of Art 3 (whether Art 3(a) or Art 3(b)) to effectively re-write the definition of the "product". This then leaves room for doubt over whether the same definition of the " [15:00] schestowitz__[TR] product" should be used for the purposes of assessing compliance with the other subsections of Art 3. [15:00] schestowitz__[TR] What seems to me to be needed is a logical and consistent approach to determining the acceptable definition(s) of the "product". That is a question under Art 1(b). [15:00] schestowitz__[TR] " [15:38] schestowitz__[TR] http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2021/12/14/epos-boards-of-appeal-to-move-back-to-munich/#comments [15:38] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | EPO's Boards of Appeal to Move Back to Munich - Kluwer Patent Blog [15:38] schestowitz__[TR] " [15:38] schestowitz__[TR] 17 comments [15:38] schestowitz__[TR] Concerned observer [15:38] schestowitz__[TR] DECEMBER 14, 2021 AT 4:12 PM [15:38] schestowitz__[TR] Thorsten, looking at the CSCs comments upon CA 77/21, it seems that the New ways of working are all teleworking, including the possibility of mandatory teleworking. [15:38] schestowitz__[TR] It is not clear to me why CA 77/21 is mentioned in the Joint Declaration. However, I rather suspect that it has a lot to do with a likely reduction in size of the office space allocated to the Boards. I would also not be surprised if CA 77/21 has led the President of the Boards of Appeal to make assumptions regarding the proportion of appeal oral proceedings that will be held by VICO (with possible remote participation of members of [15:38] schestowitz__[TR] the Boards). [15:38] schestowitz__[TR] If my suspicions are correct, then the planned move might only be feasible if, contrary to all reasonable expectations (in the light of G 1/21), Article 15a RPBA remains in force in unamended form. This raises the prospect that the promise of a move back to (central) Munich could, in the wrong hands, effectively be used as an inducement for members of Boards of Appeal to uphold Article 15a RPBA in its current form. [15:38] schestowitz__[TR] Of course, I am not saying that there is any such skulduggery going on. However, such a possibility cannot be ruled out entirely unless and until the EPO publishes all of the relevant documents (namely, CA 77/21, the MoU between the two Presidents and, most importantly, the relative size of the office space that will be allocated to the Boards in the building Pschorr-Hfe 7). Given the vast number of important documents that the EPO does [15:38] schestowitz__[TR] not make publicly available, I will not hold my breath waiting for anything on this point. [15:38] schestowitz__[TR] Even more concerned observer [15:38] schestowitz__[TR] DECEMBER 14, 2021 AT 5:19 PM [15:38] schestowitz__[TR] The MoU between the two presidents is in BOAC/12/19 mentioned in the Annual report of the BoA. In that case, its referred documents should be somewhere available on the BoA website. [15:39] schestowitz__[TR] Otherwise, ask the press officers of the BoA: [15:39] schestowitz__[TR] Nikolaus Obrovski [15:39] schestowitz__[TR] Jeannine Hoppe [15:39] schestowitz__[TR] Spokespersons of the Boards of Appeal of the European Patent Office [15:39] schestowitz__[TR] boa-press@epo.org [15:39] schestowitz__[TR] Concerned observer [15:39] schestowitz__[TR] DECEMBER 14, 2021 AT 7:47 PM [15:39] schestowitz__[TR] Whilst BOAC/12/19 should be on the BoA website, it appears that it is not. I wonder if the press officers would be prepared to provide a copy of CA 77/21 too? [15:39] schestowitz__[TR] Extraneous Attorney [15:39] schestowitz__[TR] DECEMBER 14, 2021 AT 4:31 PM [15:39] schestowitz__[TR] Taxpayers and consumers money will therefore have been wasted on an epic scale, likely numbering in the millions of euros. Yet nothing will happen to the careers of anyone involved in making this decision. Thats the unaccountability of international organizations for you. [15:39] schestowitz__[TR] @Concerned observer is right to mention that there may be a link with Article 15a RPBA. Im inclined to believe that, in view of the reasoning set forth in G1/21, Article 15a RPBA is plainly ultra vires and therefore good as dead. But thats assuming that the EBA sitting in another composition will not find another dynamic interpretation of the EPC [15:39] schestowitz__[TR] Concerned observer [15:39] schestowitz__[TR] DECEMBER 14, 2021 AT 7:41 PM [15:39] schestowitz__[TR] I would say that is now crystal clear that the EPO has no intention whatsoever of bringing the RPBA into line with the EBAs ruling in G 1/21. [15:39] schestowitz__[TR] In this respect, I suggest that you watch closely for interesting interpretations of G 1/21 (such as that in T 0245/18, as discussed in http://justpatentlaw.blogspot.com/2021/12/t-024518-art-15a-rpba-compatible-with.html). [15:39] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-justpatentlaw.blogspot.com | Just Patent Law Blog: T 0245/18 - Art. 15a RPBA compatible with the EPC [15:39] schestowitz__[TR] It will also be important to keep a close eye on EPO proposals to extend (and excuses for extending) the applicability of provisions that mandate the use of VICO. I have no doubt that there will be some interesting developments on this front in the next 6 months or so, most likely using the pandemic as cover for effectively overriding the EBAs ruling in G 1/21. [15:39] schestowitz__[TR] Jacques Dors [15:39] schestowitz__[TR] DECEMBER 15, 2021 AT 10:27 AM [15:39] schestowitz__[TR] There is no seperation of powers anyway. [15:39] schestowitz__[TR] There is recycling of people who worked for the EPO before, it is all the same blood. [15:39] schestowitz__[TR] The Convention Watchdog [15:39] schestowitz__[TR] DECEMBER 15, 2021 AT 10:57 AM [15:39] schestowitz__[TR] Will Mr. Battistelli be made responsible for the damage resulting from the longest lasting lease contract (15 years) in the history of the EPO and the cost for adapting the Haar building to the needs of the Boards? [15:39] schestowitz__[TR] Another Attorney [15:39] schestowitz__[TR] DECEMBER 16, 2021 AT 9:34 AM [15:39] schestowitz__[TR] I agree with Extraneous Attorney. There is also no mention of the Orwellian perception of independence (CA/43/16) that served as the basis for the exile of the Boards in the new press release. Instead, it almost sounds like having Examiners in home office freed up space for the Boards the was previously occupied. [15:39] schestowitz__[TR] Concerned observer [15:39] schestowitz__[TR] DECEMBER 16, 2021 AT 11:53 AM [15:39] schestowitz__[TR] The reason given in 2016 for the move to Haar was an alleged desire to reinforce among the parties to appeal procedures the feeling that they are appearing before an independent body as opposed to EPO examining and opposition divisions. [15:39] schestowitz__[TR] The move back to (central) Munich now confirms what any objective observer was always able to perceive, namely that the REAL motivation was to punish the Boards for having the temerity (in R 19/12) to point to flaws in the set-up of the EPO that gave rise to a justifiable fear of partiality in certain appeals. [15:39] schestowitz__[TR] As has been reported on this blog (http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2020/11/03/a-few-thoughts-on-trust-and-judicial-independence/), the flaw identified in R 19/12 is just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to justifiable fears of partiality. It therefore speaks volumes that, in response to being alerted to serious problems with their governance structure, the EPO has either done nothing (eg in response to the articles cited in the above- [15:39] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | A few thoughts on trust and judicial independence - Kluwer Patent Blog [15:39] schestowitz__[TR] mentioned blog post), or has punished the messenger (by moving the Boards to Haar). [15:39] schestowitz__[TR] Rather than be diminished by the move to Haar, justifiable fears of partiality have actually increased since 2016. Whilst the farcical conclusion to G 3/19 might be the most obvious manifestation of this effect, there are worrying signs of a gradual decrease in the number of members of the Boards of Appeal that are both willing and able to resist the will of the President of the EPO. The acid test on this point is likely to be how G 1/21 [15:39] schestowitz__[TR] is interpreted and implemented by various Boards of Appeal. [15:39] schestowitz__[TR] My guess is that there will be more than one Board that will be prepared to effectively ignore the EBAs reasoning relating to the role of the parties consent. The EPO Presidents New normal agenda effectively demands this outcome. Indeed, for reasons that I have previously mentioned, the proposed move back to Munich could be interpreted as providing the Boards with an extra incentive to reach decisions that do not anger the [15:39] schestowitz__[TR] EPO President. [15:39] schestowitz__[TR] Of course, by failing to address structural flaws that give rise to objectively justifiable fears of partiality, and by taking decisions that could be perceived to make the situation even worse, the EPO is taking a very big risk. That risk is that a national court might find that the members of the EPOs Boards of Appeal are not adequately independent. One possible consequence of this has been discussed on this blog (http://patentblog. [15:39] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Could not resolve host: patentblog; Unknown error ( status 0 @ http://patentblog ) [15:39] schestowitz__[TR] kluweriplaw.com/2020/01/18/whats-the-worst-that-could-happen-constitutional-complaints-against-the-epo-in-germany/). However, it is important to remember that judicial independence is also essential for compatibility with other legal systems, such as TRIPS, EU laws and the European Convention on Human Rights. The potential consequences of an adverse ruling could therefore be devastating for the EPO. [15:39] schestowitz__[TR] So why is the EPO prepared to take such incredible risks, instead of just adjusting the EPC to fix the structural flaws? Perhaps they know something that we do not, as might be suggested by the period of more than a decade that one of the constitutional complaints against the EPO has been pending at the BVerfG. Or are they just complacent that their privileges and immunities will shield them from any fall-out? With regard to the wasting of [15:40] schestowitz__[TR] EPO funds on an epic scale (by renting and adapting new office space whilst EPO-owned space lies empty), that certainly seems to have worked for the former President. [15:40] schestowitz__[TR] Anon Y. Mouse [15:40] schestowitz__[TR] DECEMBER 16, 2021 AT 10:44 AM [15:40] schestowitz__[TR] Why Pschorr-Hfe? As far as I know the original BOA rooms in the Isar building (at least the rooms used for hearings) are still unoccupied. [15:40] schestowitz__[TR] Trink mer a Pschorr an d'r Isar. [15:40] schestowitz__[TR] DECEMBER 16, 2021 AT 3:18 PM [15:40] schestowitz__[TR] Because the city of Munich torpedoed the sale of PH VII, hence a new use for the building had to be found. [15:40] schestowitz__[TR] the perception can be upheld this way. [15:40] schestowitz__[TR] Mysterio [15:40] schestowitz__[TR] DECEMBER 16, 2021 AT 11:58 AM [15:40] schestowitz__[TR] This might be interesting as well: [15:40] schestowitz__[TR] http://techrights.org/2021/12/06/epo-and-committee-on-patent-law/ [15:40] schestowitz__[TR] Concerned observer [15:40] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | The Committee on Patent Law (PLC) Informed About Overlooked Issues Which Might Have a Bearing on the Validity of EPO Patents. | Techrights [15:40] schestowitz__[TR] DECEMBER 17, 2021 AT 12:19 PM [15:40] schestowitz__[TR] I am truly shocked to discover that the management of the EPO might be adopting policies and procedures that are inconsistent with the EPC! If only there had been some kind of evidence from their prior behaviour that might have warned us that they were capable of such a thing. [15:40] schestowitz__[TR] Joking aside, the issue brought to the attention of the EPOs Patent Law Committee is truly very serious. As things currently stand, it seems that management can, without providing any legal justification for doing so, order an ED to change its decision in connection with a specific patent application. Unless this legal loophole is closed, then the possibilities for rampant abuse of this apparently unchecked power are mind-boggling. [15:40] schestowitz__[TR] One of those [15:40] schestowitz__[TR] DECEMBER 18, 2021 AT 10:52 PM [15:40] schestowitz__[TR] This possibility was always there, as changes in examining divisions have never been excluded. [15:40] schestowitz__[TR] BTW, the current drive of timeliness includes many thoughts of exchanging divisions as often as necessary to bring the procedure to a quick conclusion. [15:40] schestowitz__[TR] Guess which conclusion is fastest and has no waiting time in which the applicant could exert any control over how to react to known prior art? [15:40] schestowitz__[TR] Attentive Observer [15:40] schestowitz__[TR] DECEMBER 17, 2021 AT 10:50 AM [15:40] schestowitz__[TR] It is farcical to see that the president of the EPO and the president of the BA sign a MoU! [15:40] schestowitz__[TR] One should not forget that the latter only has the powers delegated to him by the former. [15:40] schestowitz__[TR] As long as the president of the BA cannot present directly its budget needs to the AC, the BA will never be independent. [15:40] schestowitz__[TR] As long as the reappointment of BA members is dependent on a performance assessment, the BA are not independent. [15:40] schestowitz__[TR] This is the more so since the criteria for re-appointment are not even public. One of the criteria is certainly linked to production/productivity, and probably, but not written, an excellent flexibility of the spine. [15:40] schestowitz__[TR] What is infuriating is that BB will never have to pay for the damage he caused and the millions of spent in vain. [15:40] schestowitz__[TR] It was pure revenge of him for the EBA not willing to rubber stamp its disregard of the separation of powers and of the problems raised in R 19/12. [15:40] schestowitz__[TR] I take bets that with the actual president of the BA and some EBA members it would have ended differently. [15:40] schestowitz__[TR] As far as the New way of working is concerned it is mandatory teleworking, for members of the BA as well. [15:40] schestowitz__[TR] In this respect, OP by ViCo are an absolute necessity. [15:40] schestowitz__[TR] I can agree with Concerned Observer that we will face sooner or later a dynamic interpretation of G 1/21. [15:40] schestowitz__[TR] The only driver for the present tenant of the 10th floor is to save money at any rate. [15:40] schestowitz__[TR] He started with salaries and pensions on the basis of a fake study from which he took the worse scenario possible. Even after one year the financial results shows that there was no need to cut salaries and pensions. But the special allocations for the top management and its buddies have drastically increased. [15:40] schestowitz__[TR] By imposing teleworking the aim is clearly to sell office space. BB was already dissatisfied that when he introduced part-time home-working not many examiners were asking for it. [15:40] schestowitz__[TR] The pandemic offered his successor the reason he could not invoke for forcing teleworking: saving office space in order to sell it. The EPO tried to sell BT-VIII, the one immediately next to Hackerbrcke, but the city of Munich blocked it. [15:40] schestowitz__[TR] The new building in Rijswijk was conceived with a maximum of open office space, also for examiners. [15:40] schestowitz__[TR] The budget has also been provisioned such as to pay for a transformation of the present buildings in open space. [15:41] schestowitz__[TR] What is the most disappointing is that the AC has completely given up its control function and has degraded itself in a rubber stamping machine for the wishes of the president. [15:41] schestowitz__[TR] It is difficult to accept that countries with barely any applications have the same weight in the AC as the big contributing countries. There is a weighted voting system in the AC, but it is barely used, for obvious reasons. [15:41] schestowitz__[TR] This is probably the biggest scandal! [15:41] schestowitz__[TR] Concerned observer [15:41] schestowitz__[TR] DECEMBER 17, 2021 AT 12:52 PM [15:41] schestowitz__[TR] Attentive, if you want to understand the behaviour of the EPOs management, and of the AC delegates, then it seems to me that the only way to do this is to follow the money. [15:41] schestowitz__[TR] Why on earth would the EPO make financial predictions that are based upon demonstrably unrealistic assumptions and that tell a (false) story of impending financial doom? What advantage does the EPO gain from doing this? Well, from the perspective of EPO management, setting very low (financial) expectations is a sure-fire way of guaranteeing that you deliver a stellar performance relative to what has been predicted. Trebles and massive [15:41] schestowitz__[TR] bonuses (for the management) all round! Whilst the AC delegates may be alert to this obvious manipulation of the figures, they may be inclined to keep quiet because the prediction of impending doom provides the perfect excuse to reduce the EPOs operating overheads for which read cuts to the benefits of, and poorer working conditions for, for the bulk of the staff and to thereby, in the long run, increase the proportion of the [15:41] schestowitz__[TR] EPOs income that is available for redistribution to the member states. [15:41] schestowitz__[TR] Quite how the tail (the EPO President) manages to wag the dog (the AC) so efficiently when it comes to getting pretty much everything he wants is perhaps harder for outsiders to understand. However, it is beyond doubt that individual delegations to the AC are almost always VERY keen to avoid objecting to a proposal from the President unless they are certain that the majority of other delegations will take the same stand. Indeed, it seems [15:41] schestowitz__[TR] that abstaining from voting on a proposal is about as much rebelliousness that AC delegations dare to demonstrate, even where it is clear that they strongly disapprove of the proposal in question. Given that the AC delegations are supposed to be the ones in charge, why are they so timid? What do they have to lose by standing up for what they want, or what they believe is right? Whilst I do not know the answer to this question, I have no [15:41] schestowitz__[TR] doubt that the real reasons can be learned by following the money [15:41] schestowitz__[TR] Patent robot [15:41] schestowitz__[TR] DECEMBER 17, 2021 AT 2:59 PM [15:41] schestowitz__[TR] G 1/21 clarified that ViCo OP are compatible with the EPC, despite not being the gold standard (in-person OP). [15:41] schestowitz__[TR] However, the AC can now introduce a new Rule 115a EPC: Oral proceedings shall be held by videoconference (forever), cant it? [15:41] schestowitz__[TR] I find the EPO branches in Berlin, Rijswijk (which is not The Hague) and Haar more incompatible with the EPC. [15:41] schestowitz__[TR] " [15:48] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [15:49] *Noisytoot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [15:50] *liberty_box (~liberty@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [15:51] *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@jiz967bhsgr6i.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Dec 19 [16:19] *Despatche (~desp@u3xy9z2ifjzci.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [16:25] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [16:29] Techrights-sec2 transcoding complete : Toyota\ thinks\ THEY\ own\ your\ car.-57e4b1c88e1628819a65f9826b8ad17dcb1b35c7.webm [16:31] Techrights-sec2 youtube-dl is alegedly being discontinued [16:31] schestowitz-TR2 it can be forked, maybe another name [16:31] Techrights-sec2 there are others but I always have trouble remembering their names [16:33] schestowitz-TR2 serious question [16:33] schestowitz-TR2 shall we post firstr the video on its own and later the UK consultation with what'sd at staker? [16:33] schestowitz-TR2 or both at once? [16:33] schestowitz-TR2 I'd rather ask ryan for ideas too as he still drives [16:33] Techrights-sec2 pribably one and then the other. use the video to introduce a second aspect [16:33] Techrights-sec2 of software freedom [16:40] Techrights-sec2 what about Tim? It would be a good excuse to contact him. [16:40] Techrights-sec2 I presume he has at least one car. [16:40] schestowitz-TR2 good idea, but it would be quite a overhead; yes, he drove me to the airport once... or the train station, or both.. [16:41] Techrights-sec2 Andy is in the UK too and very good at writing and might benefit from the [16:41] Techrights-sec2 Gov link to the consultation itself. [16:41] schestowitz-TR2 I want people I can reach on the spot over irc [16:42] schestowitz-TR2 see draft [16:44] Techrights-sec2 a few more details are needed there for the Gemini site [16:44] schestowitz-TR2 i need to watch it first :-) [16:44] Techrights-sec2 It's worth viewing [16:47] *liberty_box (~liberty@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [16:55] schestowitz-TR2 "is it contacting Toyota's servers" [16:55] schestowitz-TR2 "uses radio waves" [16:55] schestowitz-TR2 "fuction will not worth" if Toyota does not allow it [16:55] schestowitz-TR2 "you not owning anything" [16:55] schestowitz-TR2 "ot being repairable" [16:55] schestowitz-TR2 "overpriced serves" [16:55] schestowitz-TR2 "every company in every company" against the ownership of car [16:55] schestowitz-TR2 "more comkmon in recent years" [16:55] schestowitz-TR2 "trial" [16:55] schestowitz-TR2 "premium" [16:55] schestowitz-TR2 "pay for subscription" [16:55] schestowitz-TR2 "imagine you buy a house... free trial for how cold the refriudgirator gets" [16:55] schestowitz-TR2 you are lft on your own after 3 years even though the functionality is already there [16:55] schestowitz-TR2 like DRM on printers and coffee machines [16:55] schestowitz-TR2 4.5 million dollars on lobbying against people's interests [16:59] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@4ha7v3hr4tau4.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Dec 19 [17:05] Techrights-sec2 yep ,thats how it works on both sides of the Atlantic [17:05] Techrights-sec2 That's one of the reason Louis has collected money to buy his own lobbyists [17:05] Techrights-sec2 for the Fight to Repair work [17:05] schestowitz-TR2 DaemonFC: I need your help [17:07] DaemonFC ? [17:07] schestowitz-TR2 working on text about cars [17:14] schestowitz__[TR] DaemonFC: http://techrights.org/2021/12/19/louis-rossmann-car-ownership/ [17:14] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | You Cannot Own a Car Anymore | Techrights [17:17] DaemonFC Sorry, just woke up. I'm feeling more like myself each day but it's taking forever to get over this. [17:20] DaemonFC schestowitz__[TR], I don't like any of the new features, including "self-drive". [17:21] DaemonFC The driver is still liable in civil and criminal matters regarding what the software does, including if it causes an at-fault accident. [17:21] DaemonFC But now, you also have to spend $80 a year subscribing to a remote starter that's already on the car, if you buy a Toyota, or else it will stop working. [17:22] DaemonFC This is like Windows "Anytime Upgrade", where all of the features are there, but Microsoft disables them unless you buy a new activation code. [17:22] schestowitz-TR2 with plate readers everywhere you now get better privacy as a passenger in a taxi than as driver of 'yopur' car [17:23] DaemonFC If you have the Toyota for 15 years, it costs $1200 to have the remote starter work and previously it cost $200 or so to have a good one put on the car that works forever. [17:23] schestowitz-TR2 [17:21] But now, you also have to spend $80 a year subscribing to a remote starter that's already on the car, if you buy a Toyota, or else it will stop working. [17:23] schestowitz-TR2 this is where I need your help [17:23] schestowitz-TR2 because UK has a consulation [17:23] schestowitz-TR2 and we want to write about it [17:23] schestowitz-TR2 you know the details better than me [17:25] DaemonFC They like to slip "little things" in past you that don't register while you're buying the car. [17:26] DaemonFC Who is thinking about a remote starter that costs them $1200-1600 over the life of the car? [17:26] DaemonFC What if you buy the car and then they raise the price later? [17:27] Techrights-sec2 https://fighttorepair.org/ [17:27] Techrights-sec2 "Who owns your device?" [17:27] Techrights-sec2 can the above link be added? [17:27] Techrights-sec2 ack [17:27] Techrights-sec2 Can the link be added in the last paragraph? [17:27] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-fighttorepair.org | Repair Preservation Group - Preserving Repair for Everyone, Everywhere [17:28] schestowitz-TR2 was just about to add it :-) [17:30] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR2, Well, Apple and Microsoft are chumming the waters with Right to Repair. [17:30] Techrights-sec2 :) [17:30] DaemonFC They're focusing on hardware only, which is an improvement. [17:31] DaemonFC But without knowing how the software works or how to replace their operating system, you still don't control the device. [17:31] DaemonFC They want to be in control of when the last software update goes out. [17:33] Techrights-sec2 Yes, apple, Microsoft, and the others are trying to saturate the news on that [17:33] Techrights-sec2 topic, diffuse and unfocus the work, and confuse the public and, especially, [17:33] Techrights-sec2 the politicians. This has to be slammed through as legislation or else [17:33] Techrights-sec2 Apple will continue on the path it has been going down since Steve Jobs got [17:33] Techrights-sec2 sick, and where most other vendors are deciding to follow. Nothing other than [17:33] Techrights-sec2 a legal smackdon will suffice, the PR efforts to the contrary are no more than [17:33] Techrights-sec2 PR efforts to stall and weaken the effort. [17:36] Techrights-sec2 and /take away/ the existing [17:36] Techrights-sec2 rights. There has always been the right to repair stuff one owns: [17:36] Techrights-sec2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnuson%E2%80%93Moss_Warranty_Act [17:36] Techrights-sec2 however, Apple and the others are trying to spin that into not applying to [17:36] Techrights-sec2 computers. Apple is even looking like it is aiming to ban general purpose [17:36] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-en.wikipedia.org | MagnusonMoss Warranty Act - Wikipedia [17:36] Techrights-sec2 computing. Notice that the tradepress and other lapdogs are now grovelling [17:36] Techrights-sec2 about "sideloading" and insinuating how it is bad, rather than pointing out [17:36] Techrights-sec2 that the real name is "installation" and it is a normal activity on device [17:38] Techrights-sec2 and tools one /owns/ and controls. M$, Apple, and the car and farm equipment [17:38] Techrights-sec2 companies see that it could go either way. Right now the US is leaning towards [17:38] Techrights-sec2 keeping the rights that are in place, but with enough lobbyist money the vendors [17:38] Techrights-sec2 could tip it the other way. Here is an FTC position statement onn the topic: [17:38] Techrights-sec2 https://www.ftc.gov/system/files/documents/public_statements/1592330/p194400repairrestrictionspolicystatement.pdf [17:38] Techrights-sec2 https://www.ftc.gov/system/files/documents/public_statements/1592354/final_chopra_prepared_remarks_on_right_to_repair.pdf [17:40] DaemonFC Microsoft is trying to retcon "installing software on Windows" as sideloading if you don't get one of the five apps that's not fake from their store. [17:42] Techrights-sec2 A key aspect is that M$ cultists have trained the public and the politicians [17:42] Techrights-sec2 to be completely docile when "computers" are mentioned and to roll over when [17:42] Techrights-sec2 "software" is mentioned. In the latter, they have help from the copyright [17:42] Techrights-sec2 cartel. [17:47] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR2, Capital One seems to monitor how frequently you use your other credit cards. [17:48] DaemonFC They noticed I wasn't using my Capital One card as often as the others and they offered me an upgrade to a rewards card. [17:48] DaemonFC Sneaky.... [17:48] DaemonFC They'll offer it if they have to, in order to compete with the other banks. [17:48] schestowitz-TR2 I see... [17:49] schestowitz-TR2 DaemonFC: any thoughts on https://hackaday.com/2021/12/18/when-does-car-hacking-become-tampering-the-british-government-seeks-guidance/ ? [17:49] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-hackaday.com | When Does Car Hacking Become Tampering? The British Government Seeks Guidance | Hackaday [17:49] DaemonFC Kind of funny actually. They ate more of a loss than all of my other credit card banks put together in the bankruptcy. [17:49] schestowitz-TR2 you know better than me [17:49] schestowitz-TR2 what those cars nowadays do [17:50] DaemonFC I wish they'd just go back to what cars in the 1980s came with. [17:50] schestowitz-TR2 btw, we'll pay the host as a xmas gesture soon, would you like to chip in as welll? [17:50] schestowitz-TR2 (bank to bank) [17:50] Techrights-sec2 Sure [17:50] schestowitz-TR2 DaemonFC: yes [17:50] schestowitz-TR2 we plan to write something [17:51] schestowitz-TR2 I can integrate your thoughts too [17:51] schestowitz-TR2 send send it to our govt. [17:51] schestowitz-TR2 *then send [17:51] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR2, If you can find a 1985 Honda or GMC pickup or anything really and the body is in good shape.... [17:52] DaemonFC You'd be financially better off to wheel it down to a good mechanic and dump $10,000 or more into having him fix everything that needs attention than you would buying a new car. [17:52] *liberty_box has quit (Quit: Leaving) [17:52] DaemonFC And you can find some cars that old that never rusted, that look like they came straight out of the 80s. If they were in California or Nevada or even Florida. [17:52] *liberty_box (~liberty@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [17:53] DaemonFC Obviously, for safety you should take it down and have it inspected and repaired as needed. Expect to replace all of the brake lines, belts, and rubber hoses. [17:53] DaemonFC They dry rot. [17:53] DaemonFC But once you get out ahead of that, the car might be perfectly usable for many years. [17:54] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR2, I hope to get at least a few more years out of the Impala, but I won't be replacing it with anything very new. [17:55] DaemonFC I'll probably go looking for about a 2010 Crown Victoria or something that was fleet owned. [17:55] DaemonFC They just don't break down nearly as often as newer cars do. They were pretty much designed in the 70s-90s and then tweaked along the way. Ford never invested anything in a total redesign after that. [17:56] DaemonFC The mentality, right, was different then. [17:56] DaemonFC Back then, people were smarter and they knew, hey, this is a major purchase and it should last a while. [17:57] DaemonFC Now it's "If my brand new $50,000 Toyota can't ping a web server to verify I paid my $8 a month remote starter fee, they start disabling my shit!". [17:58] DaemonFC "Wow, so amazing! $850 a month car payments for 7 years, you say? Oh boy!". [17:58] Techrights-sec2 gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/12/19/louis-rossmann-car-ownership/ [17:58] Techrights-sec2 :) [17:58] DaemonFC "Plus the $8 a month for the remote starter of course!" [17:59] DaemonFC Like, when did Toyota get so fucking greedy that they have to take on $8 a month to an $850 a month car? [17:59] DaemonFC *tack [17:59] DaemonFC Remember Henry Ford? His philosophy was that mass production should make cars so cheap and so easy to repair that anyone could own one? [17:59] schestowitz-TR2 and for BS ● Dec 19 [18:00] DaemonFC Henry Ford was obviously a shrewd Capitalist, and these modern car companies could not be more diametrically opposed to his viewpoint. [18:00] DaemonFC They want to tack on surprise fees that you won't even consider, to a car that's got you bleeding out like a deer that's been hung on a rack. [18:01] schestowitz-TR2 thanks [18:01] schestowitz-TR2 I take these notes for later [18:01] schestowitz-TR2 when I put together a post [18:01] DaemonFC They control the government safety agencies. They ask for all of these new "safety" features to be mandatory. [18:02] DaemonFC That way their competitors can't produce an affordable car either. [18:02] DaemonFC When you wreck it, it's totaled because it costs $1,000 for the body damage and $10,000 to realign some sensors. [18:02] DaemonFC When those idiots ran into my Impala, you know what I did? [18:03] DaemonFC I pulled off the bumper cover and put on an aftermarket one that was on ebay for $150. [18:03] DaemonFC It's held on by standard bolts that you can just unscrew and screw back in. [18:04] DaemonFC It took out my fog lamps, but the plastic was so yellowed anyway that I just unplugged them and tossed them in the dumpster. [18:04] DaemonFC :/ [18:05] *wallacer has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [18:06] DaemonFC I lol'd when I found out that that idiot who said his back hurt didn't even file a claim with the insurance company. [18:06] DaemonFC They didn't pay out a cent. [18:07] *wallacer (~quassel@6bsu33ajs4zs4.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [18:07] DaemonFC That means that he's responsible for whatever the hospital billed him. I'm sure that being an absconded child molester pays him enough to take care of a $15,000 ER bill. [18:08] *wallacer has quit (connection closed) [18:09] *wallacer (~quassel@6bsu33ajs4zs4.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [18:10] Techrights-sec2 I've given myself too tight a schedule [18:10] Techrights-sec2 given that I work 1-9am, but I can handle it [18:10] Techrights-sec2 just need to get in the rhythm and stay in it [18:10] schestowitz-TR2 I've given myself too tight a schedule [18:10] schestowitz-TR2 given that I work 1-9am, but I can handle it [18:10] schestowitz-TR2 just need to get in the rhythm and stay in it [18:10] Techrights-sec2 Avoid burnout stress [18:10] schestowitz-TR2 DaemonFC: thanks for your thoiughts [18:11] schestowitz-TR2 I will write about them during my work shift [18:11] schestowitz-TR2 I need to read the texts carefully [18:11] schestowitz-TR2 and then put together a response [18:12] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR2, Yeah, the risk of being hit by an uninsured driver pales in comparison to the police coming out, lying, and blaming it all on you. [18:12] Techrights-sec2 ack [18:12] schestowitz-TR2 DaemonFC: yeah [18:12] DaemonFC I just got lucky that those two were off to doing whatever it is they do and didn't bother following through with the insurance or coming to court. [18:13] schestowitz-TR2 my bod typically shuts off sleepiness if I fall behind [18:13] schestowitz-TR2 I will just need to not chat for a bit and focus on marathon-like or sprint [18:13] schestowitz-TR2 'bbl' [18:14] schestowitz-TR2 DaemonFC: those are other types of issues [18:14] schestowitz-TR2 the liability aspects [18:14] schestowitz-TR2 maybe a different article [18:14] schestowitz-TR2 I want to focus on the UK proposal [18:14] schestowitz-TR2 and call on others to write to them [18:16] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR2, Well, after seeing what goes on in traffic court, I know that paying the ticket is always the worst option. [18:17] DaemonFC Even if the police show up and you have no defense, you can waste as much of their time as possible by asking useless questions. [18:17] DaemonFC Once the prosecutor realizes that it's a filibuster and that you're taking time away from them that they could be using to get others to agree to fines, they'll break down and offer you something. [18:18] DaemonFC You can't go in there and read the phone book, but you can start asking the officer and witnesses questions that are about the incident, but are not going anywhere. 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