●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Wednesday, July 20, 2022 ●● ● Jul 20 [00:45] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [00:45] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [00:50] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [00:50] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@5tcc2vuaj9aks.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jul 20 [02:32] *britney has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [02:53] *britney (~britney@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jul 20 [03:28] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [03:28] *rianne_ (~rianne@hcdms2vr9hu9e.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jul 20 [05:26] *britney has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [05:58] *XFaCE has quit (Quit: Retiring completely for now ("Automatic for the people, thanks for all the fish")) ● Jul 20 [06:07] *XFaCE (~XFaCE@uzfeivw9fp6ba.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [06:57] schestowitz-TR draft [06:57] schestowitz-TR I will make the amendments now, thanks! [06:57] Techrights-sec2 checking [06:57] Techrights-sec2 might raise the importance of TTN not being a law firm by using that fact [06:57] Techrights-sec2 in the first sentence which introduces it [06:57] Techrights-sec2 the nature of the "harmonization" across fields can use a word or two [06:57] Techrights-sec2 hintng/reminding as to its nature [06:57] Techrights-sec2 In the title and other descriptions "intrepid" might be taken the wrong way [06:57] Techrights-sec2 if the sarcasm is missed ● Jul 20 [07:03] Techrights-sec2 np [07:04] schestowitz-TR 3 significant changes made [07:04] schestowitz-TR at least I know what a "blind copy" reader lack [07:04] schestowitz-TR I'll send you parts 11-12 soon [07:04] schestowitz-TR kaniini is getting interested in Gemini [07:04] Techrights-sec2 ack [07:04] Techrights-sec2 lynx is a good approximation [07:04] Techrights-sec2 :) [07:24] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [07:43] schestowitz-TR parts 11-12 sent [07:44] Techrights-sec2 ok [07:59] schestowitz-TR these parts give you a "head start" [07:59] schestowitz-TR gemini had lots of traffic yesterday [07:59] schestowitz-TR the update to the pi did not break anything, but reboot would be needed to see if it fixed something [07:59] schestowitz-TR I'll back up /home over rsync now [07:59] schestowitz-TR wipo has not yet rules on "debian"(TM) [07:59] schestowitz-TR I'm off work today [07:59] schestowitz-TR I want to be of work for good by year's end [07:59] schestowitz-TR if they buy more time, OK, I get paid more in the meantime, at least we've already begun site migrations ● Jul 20 [08:08] *techrights_guest|33 (~56f6207d@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [08:08] schestowitz-TR I went back and forth thinking whether to reboot after the backup, but decided that no... no need [08:08] schestowitz-TR too many things to reconnected to, short gemini uptime, chace of some services not coming back [08:09] schestowitz-TR on their own, or even the pi itself not coming back [08:09] schestowitz-TR will wait until there's no choice but to reboot, e.g. outage [08:09] schestowitz-TR then will go through the list of things (3 things I think) that I want to work again as tey did before [08:09] schestowitz-TR sometimes it's better to let the reboot happen "on its own" or "in its time" [08:09] schestowitz-TR Linux or any OS should not be like this, but this is how it is [08:09] schestowitz-TR just checked mai laptop's uptime, it's 92 days [08:09] schestowitz-TR with kde neon a reboot after updates is even more risky as almost the whole system gets swapped over [08:09] schestowitz-TR running tmux now on tuxmachines-new [08:09] schestowitz-TR at some point we'll pass monitoring to the newer OSes [08:09] Techrights-sec2 ack [08:09] Techrights-sec2 yes with major updates, especially when crucial libraries get updated, [08:09] Techrights-sec2 it is often best to have a full reboot to ensure that all daemons reload [08:09] Techrights-sec2 alternatively, one can restart all the daemons manually [08:09] Techrights-sec2 but that's not so efficient [08:10] *techrights_guest|33 has quit (Quit: Connection closed) [08:11] schestowitz-TR iirc, last pi "reboot" (power cut) it came back with gemini-proxy not running [08:11] schestowitz-TR I don't have that mnonitored [08:11] schestowitz-TR but iirc, I set systemd to auto-restart it on boot [08:11] schestowitz-TR I also have todo list of checks/tasks for each type of oputside (server, network, irc...) [08:11] schestowitz-TR *outage, not "oputside"... whatever that typing is... memory muscle [08:11] schestowitz-TR *muscle memory [08:14] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [08:15] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [08:15] Techrights-sec2 ack [08:18] schestowitz-TR done [08:18] schestowitz-TR some of the people who destroyed freenode have entered our irc channels [08:18] schestowitz-TR I try to put them off [08:18] schestowitz-TR but they keep coming back [08:18] schestowitz-TR kaniini kicked out one of them [08:18] schestowitz-TR rianne and "her" black cat are gardening today, rain expected fridat [08:18] schestowitz-TR the grass is yellowing here, the gracevard looks dry [08:18] schestowitz-TR *graveyard [08:18] schestowitz-TR it's usually very green, part of a large park [08:18] schestowitz-TR 2018 we lost a lot of public grass areas [08:18] schestowitz-TR they were done for to the core [08:18] schestowitz-TR some never recovered since [08:19] Techrights-sec2 ack [08:19] Techrights-sec2 still getting through the logs, it can take a bit since it's not all in one [08:19] Techrights-sec2 go [08:20] Techrights-sec2 ack [08:37] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [08:38] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jul 20 [09:01] schestowitz-TR ota [09:01] schestowitz-TR done, 30 mins total [09:01] schestowitz-TR mentioned zemlin as weak leader who cannot dissent against firms [09:01] schestowitz-TR thanks for the links, catching up now [09:05] Techrights-sec2 ack [09:05] Techrights-sec2 looking at the SQLite3 database structure. The body table will need redoing [09:05] Techrights-sec2 in order to implement a limited full-text search capability [09:05] Techrights-sec2 yes, it's kind of a decapitation tactic of sorts, a huge distraction / ruckus [09:05] Techrights-sec2 keeps people from noticing what actually went on [09:05] schestowitz-TR seems like a trend [09:05] schestowitz-TR put the wrong people in charge [09:05] schestowitz-TR debian, LF, OSI... [09:05] schestowitz-TR lobbyists have asserted control of ewpo [09:07] Techrights-sec2 how important would full-text searching be for TM in the future? [09:07] Techrights-sec2 I'd like to avoid useing postgresql instead of sqlite3 but the latter has [09:07] Techrights-sec2 some severe limitations in text and blob fields. The blob is good for [09:07] Techrights-sec2 storage but cannot be searched. Ok. [09:07] Techrights-sec2 oh [09:07] schestowitz-TR search is not so important [09:07] schestowitz-TR dsearch is for original works [09:07] schestowitz-TR not a "daily fix" of links to other sites [09:07] schestowitz-TR since susan left we've not published anything in-depath [09:12] Techrights-sec2 searching by title or date is easy to set up in SQLite3 since those are [09:12] Techrights-sec2 contained in fields which are short enough to remain as text [09:14] schestowitz-TR this is usually enough, but if we use the same VMS in TR later, than didffernt use case [09:14] schestowitz-TR current use ncase: [09:14] schestowitz-TR visitors often use gulag search for the domain [09:14] schestowitz-TR for rinan [09:14] schestowitz-TR and I [09:14] schestowitz-TR we rely on browser history/autocoplete [09:14] schestowitz-TR wifor recent and related titles [09:14] schestowitz-TR e.g. tuxedo (OEM) [09:14] schestowitz-TR failing that, checking by title would be enough [09:14] schestowitz-TR esp. if the searches are prioritised by recency [09:14] schestowitz-TR so that we can add updates in the right page [09:14] schestowitz-TR for visitors I think search is not important as all they want is quickl updates with pointers to news of interesta dn relevance to them [09:14] schestowitz-TR this is usually enough, but if we use the same VMS in TR later, than didffernt use case [09:14] schestowitz-TR current use ncase: [09:14] schestowitz-TR visitors often use gulag search for the domain [09:14] schestowitz-TR for rinan [09:14] schestowitz-TR and I [09:14] schestowitz-TR we rely on browser history/autocoplete [09:14] schestowitz-TR wifor recent and related titles [09:14] schestowitz-TR e.g. tuxedo (OEM) [09:14] schestowitz-TR failing that, checking by title would be enough [09:14] schestowitz-TR esp. if the searches are prioritised by recency [09:14] schestowitz-TR so that we can add updates in the right page [09:14] schestowitz-TR for visitors I think search is not important as all they want is quickl updates with pointers to news of interesta dn relevance to them [09:18] Techrights-sec2 ok [09:22] Techrights-sec2 considering modification to one table anyway, it'll take a bit of planning [09:25] schestowitz-TR thanks, I reckon TM will be around for decades more [09:25] schestowitz-TR if not www, then gemini etc. [09:25] schestowitz-TR kaniini and I spoke about it in #techrights yesterday [09:25] schestowitz-TR she thought what we too had though [09:25] schestowitz-TR generating p;ages or exporting to multiple formats/protocols [09:25] schestowitz-TR it's even simpler with gemtext [09:25] schestowitz-TR e.g. [09:25] schestowitz-TR quotes [09:25] schestowitz-TR and '''' (slanted, 3, not 4) [09:25] schestowitz-TR tuxmachines pattern is simple [09:25] schestowitz-TR we have about 4-5 templates [09:25] schestowitz-TR that apply to aggregation styles) [09:25] schestowitz-TR btw number of people online in irc increased in recent months [09:25] schestowitz-TR the protocol that refuse to die [09:25] Techrights-sec2 as long as the discussion is on-topic there, that is good [09:27] schestowitz-TR trolls can be drowned out or ignored [09:27] schestowitz-TR or you can pick a dailt link that's provocative [09:27] schestowitz-TR to shift the focus [09:33] schestowitz-TR The Modern Web's Many Single Points of Failure gemini://warmedal.se/~bjorn/posts/2022-07-20-the-modern-web-s-many-single-points-of-failure.gmi [09:33] schestowitz-TR bbl exercis [09:33] Techrights-sec2 good [09:41] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [09:41] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [09:45] schestowitz x https://itwire.com/it-people-news/education/microsoft,-uts-launch-new-course-to-%e2%80%98help-solve%e2%80%99-technology-skills-shortage.html [09:45] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-iTWire - Microsoft, UTS launch new course to help solve technology skills shortage [09:45] schestowitz-TR why itwire is nothing to me... [09:45] schestowitz-TR sam barely has any relevant output anymore [09:45] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [09:49] Techrights-sec2 ack [09:50] schestowitz-TR iow, giving it any 'goioglejuice ' (gulagjuice??) would mean amplifying all that other crap and all in all increasing the damage to usw [09:50] schestowitz-TR hereas linux9-5 (9to5l [09:50] schestowitz-TR linux) would meanm helping the cause [09:56] Techrights-sec2 ack ● Jul 20 [12:09] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@b9tvxswrf2amy.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [12:31] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [12:34] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@b9tvxswrf2amy.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [12:36] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) ● Jul 20 [13:23] *Despatche has quit (Quit: Read error: Connection reset by deer) [13:45] schestowitz A moment of self-reflection? [13:45] schestowitz Dear colleagues, [13:45] schestowitz In its recent sessions, the ILO-AT has been taking a clear stance on the freedom of association, and how the EPO administration has been implementing it with Social Democrazy 1.0 (CA/D 2/14). [13:45] schestowitz The Tribunal quashed the way the administration interferes with Staff Rep elections (Judgment 4482); declared the regulations on strike illegal (Judgments 4330-4335); gave back the access to mass email (Judgment 4551); and lifted the limitations on who the Staff Representation can nominate in the Appeals Committee (Judgment 4550) all judgments are worth a read. [13:45] schestowitz We should not forget that all of this Social Democrazy 1.0 was aimed at hindering staff and its representation to make a stance against the administration, and that it came before a never-ending series of far-reaching and consistently detrimental reforms which have turned the EPO into an organization many of us do not recognize anymore and that many of us cannot recommend to anyone anymore. [13:45] schestowitz We can only hope that management will come to the inevitable conclusion that it might have been a good idea to listen to staff and its representation all along: the fundamental flaws the Tribunal ruled upon, were the ones we had been pointing out to the administration all along. [13:45] schestowitz It is still possible to turn the tide, for the administration to work with staff, rather than against it. ● Jul 20 [15:15] schestowitz-TR ---- [15:15] schestowitz-TR making some progress on the true story of nat and miguel [15:15] schestowitz-TR sniff out one piece of shit person, get a clique [15:15] schestowitz-TR sniff out a clique, make a whole company shiver ● Jul 20 [16:00] schestowitz ------------------ [16:00] schestowitz [SUEPO] Appeal Education Reform Post secondary - TODAY sent by email to all SUEPO TH members [16:00] schestowitz Dear SUEPO member, [16:00] schestowitz On 24 February 2022, SUEPO provided model review requests to its members to challenge individual aspects of the Education and Childcare reform related to the definition of direct/indirect costs for Primary/Secondary and Post-Secondary Education. [16:00] schestowitz Some of you submitted a review request (RfR) and received a negative decision from the administration. [16:00] schestowitz Due to the nature of the reimbursement system the deadlines to submit an appeal are spread across the year, in any case within 3 months period from the date of your RfR rejection. [16:00] schestowitz For some of you is therefore already the time to file an internal appeal related to Post-Secondary Education. SUEPO has engaged a renowned law firm to draw up model internal appeals. If you are a member of SUEPO TH, please check your email as the following required documents were emailed to you today: [16:00] schestowitz Instruction on how to file the Appeal with important information [16:00] schestowitz Appeal Template Post-Secondary Education [16:01] schestowitz List of Annexes. [16:01] schestowitz Upon completion, email the appeal, attachments, and proof of payment to the Appeals Committee at xxxxxrg and copy to xxxxxorg and request acknowledgement of receipt! [16:01] schestowitz Your SUEPO TH Committee [16:01] schestowitz Ps: we would like to remind you that SUEPO is preparing another Appeal Template related to the non-adjustment of the ceilings of the Education and Childcare Allowances. Please check your email regularly for update on this case. [16:01] schestowitz - [16:22] *britney (~britney@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [16:31] *Despatche (~desp@u3xy9z2ifjzci.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jul 20 [17:57] *britney has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Jul 20 [18:05] *britney (~britney@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [18:20] schestowitz-TR draft [18:20] schestowitz-TR cleaning feeds now [18:30] Techrights-sec2 just moved the DocumentRoot on the mockup; it is now a clone / checkout of [18:30] Techrights-sec2 the TM Git repository; not all the files are represented in the repository [18:30] Techrights-sec2 but not all should be -- at least not where they are now. [18:30] Techrights-sec2 Also there is the possibility of playing with HTML forms. [18:30] schestowitz-TR niiice... [18:30] schestowitz-TR tryint it now [18:33] schestowitz-TR the layout is a lot better now [18:33] schestowitz-TR searches can be used for ddos, anything that caused a script to run [18:35] Techrights-sec2 yes, that is a risk -- if we decide to finish the search test [18:35] Techrights-sec2 though the number of concurrent processes is limited by the server [18:35] Techrights-sec2 automatically [18:36] schestowitz-TR sometimes it is a search engine, as drew devault pointed out a few months ago [18:36] schestowitz-TR I think the current TM site comes under heavy load when overzealous crawlers click on things that are not properly cached or optimised [18:38] Techrights-sec2 alpine has nftables available to filter misbehavior address ranges [18:38] Techrights-sec2 good point about caching, perhaps there is a header which can be added [18:38] Techrights-sec2 to the HTTP daemon to encourage caching for a longer period [18:58] schestowitz-TR did 16 posts in 24 hours [18:58] schestowitz-TR despite oversleeping 4 hours [18:58] schestowitz-TR mostly owing to abandonment of gulag [18:59] Techrights-sec2 excellent [18:59] Techrights-sec2 it's a timesaving move to avoid junk like Google News and various [18:59] Techrights-sec2 social control media interfaces ● Jul 20 [19:00] schestowitz-TR remind yourself you did not make an error while they were still modest and decent [19:00] schestowitz-TR it's how they changed over time that ruined them, and in turn your mind [19:00] schestowitz-TR s/n ratio, ui, visibility of what's relevant (twitter and identica were ok at this at the start) [19:01] Techrights-sec2 they;re about "engagement" not performance [19:03] schestowitz-TR as you put it, interfaces is what they asre [19:03] schestowitz-TR nois-adding or filtering uis [19:03] schestowitz-TR also, for a while I used twitter accounts as rss feeds [19:03] schestowitz-TR for very particular accounts such as zoobab [19:03] schestowitz-TR twitter played a game of whack-a-mobile aginst proxies such as these [19:03] schestowitz-TR death blow in 2018 iirc [19:03] schestowitz-TR maybe 2019 [19:03] schestowitz-TR so I told zoobab to reconsider how he produced output [19:05] Techrights-sec2 not just the UI but the "information" they promote and demote is designed [19:05] Techrights-sec2 to alter public opinion under the illusion of communication [19:05] schestowitz-TR each time someone tries to "fix" FB or Twitter by offering some tools like twitterdeck of rss feeds they get all angry that the shit, which they DO NTIOT [19:05] schestowitz-TR EVEN CREATE (serdom) is now presented the way "INTENDED" [19:05] schestowitz-TR So they start mass banning [19:05] schestowitz-TR I heard it kept happening in FB too [19:05] Techrights-sec2 yes [19:05] schestowitz-TR not just ad blocking [19:06] schestowitz-TR may things that try to "fix" the UI [19:06] schestowitz-TR user iinterface that fucks your mind up "IS NOT OPTIONAL!" [19:10] schestowitz-TR last nigth in the video i help up a duovenir that says berlin [19:10] schestowitz-TR *s [19:10] schestowitz-TR I don't have fond memories, and not because of any unusual inccident [19:10] schestowitz-TR in wintertime it's not a pleasant place [19:10] schestowitz-TR sure, some flight departure delays sucked too, but at least I was typing articles about [19:10] schestowitz-TR patents in the airport [19:10] schestowitz-TR now, with expectations of distance, it's not even remoately an option [19:10] schestowitz-TR and I told rianne not to take us/coach as insulation there is worse [19:10] schestowitz-TR *bus [19:10] schestowitz-TR she leaves 11am, so should be quite vacant [19:10] schestowitz-TR 10 pounds return to yorkshire (aunt) [19:11] Techrights-sec2 I hope the air is safe on the bus [19:13] schestowitz-TR train. I said no coach, we also boycott that company for reasons I think I blogged about at least once [19:13] schestowitz-TR journeys to liverpool mostly [19:13] schestowitz-TR the coaches are generally more spacious than a bus [19:13] schestowitz-TR she will stay indoors [19:13] schestowitz-TR aun't hunsband died some months ago [19:13] schestowitz-TR aunt's [19:13] schestowitz-TR a good old friend of mine in Flordian is still in hospital [19:13] schestowitz-TR and I worry he won't leave [19:13] schestowitz-TR *Florida [19:14] Techrights-sec2 ah [19:14] Techrights-sec2 same for the train [19:14] Techrights-sec2 I hope he gets better but health care in the US is quite industrial and not [19:14] Techrights-sec2 about curing [19:14] schestowitz-TR his kids can afford to get him the best care [19:14] schestowitz-TR we shall see, he's that blogger in his 90s [19:15] Techrights-sec2 it's about insurance though [19:15] Techrights-sec2 ack [19:15] Techrights-sec2 that's a rough age to have any of those kinds of emergencies [19:16] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [19:17] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@5tcc2vuaj9aks.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [19:18] schestowitz-TR 2 of his sons are doctors and I'm in touch with both [19:18] schestowitz-TR I'd rather not think about it too much as thinking leads to spculation [19:18] schestowitz-TR anyway, I'll try to clean the feeds, then nap [19:18] schestowitz-TR I'm pleased when I'm productive wrt articles [19:18] schestowitz-TR those are long-term items, I just need to ensure they edue the "progress" of "tech" (treadmill) [19:18] schestowitz-TR wordpress 12 will be out in a few years ;-) [19:18] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Connection closed) [19:20] Techrights-sec2 ack [19:20] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [19:21] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@5tcc2vuaj9aks.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [19:26] schestowitz-TR > "Jim Zemlin, Executive Director of the Linux Foundation, was invited to participate," but he knows absolutely nothing about security and his wife is a Microsofer https://linuxfoundation.org/blog/takeaways-from-the-white-house-cyber-workforce-and-education-summit/ [19:26] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-linuxfoundation.org | Takeaways from the White House Cyber Workforce and Education Summit - Linux Foundation [19:26] schestowitz-TR Who Brings Home the Bacon (Revenue), Sheela or James (Jim)? http://techrights.org/2022/05/14/microsoft-breadwinner/ [19:26] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Who Brings Home the Bacon (Revenue), Sheela or James (Jim)? | Techrights [19:53] *acer-box has quit (Connection closed) [19:53] *schestowitz-TR has quit (connection closed) [19:54] *schestowitz-TR (~acer-box@hcdms2vr9hu9e.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [19:54] *schestowitz-TR (~acer-box@freenode/user/schestowitz) has joined #boycottnovell [19:54] Techrights-sec2 ack [19:55] schestowitz-TR this week's new is pleasant so far [19:55] schestowitz-TR not much anti-Linux BS [19:55] schestowitz-TR so far ● Jul 20 [20:09] Techrights-sec2 where is gitshell for Alpine? [20:09] Techrights-sec2 ^git-shell [20:09] schestowitz-TR i am not so familar with alpine yet [20:15] schestowitz-TR We're Back to 1,000+ COVID-19 Deaths Per Week, Reports About Excess Mortality Suddenly Stop https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/07/20/july-covid-mortality/ [20:15] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive Were Back to 1,000+ COVID-19 Deaths Per Week, Reports About Excess Mortality Suddenly Stop [20:15] Techrights-sec2 found it... [20:21] Techrights-sec2 tightened down the git account to use only the git-shell [20:21] schestowitz-TR excellent, assumign we later move git@TR to the other OS, the steps will be the same [20:22] Techrights-sec2 [20:22] Techrights-sec2 git activities work, but not other programs [20:22] Techrights-sec2 assuming they can be remembered :/ [20:25] schestowitz-TR git pull works [20:25] schestowitz-TR lots of green pluses [20:25] schestowitz-TR I'd give that a " [20:25] schestowitz-TR like" [20:25] schestowitz-TR so you can collect "likes" ans cash them in at the local bank [20:26] Techrights-sec2 git-shell is now the shell for the account and the git-shell-commands directory [20:26] Techrights-sec2 is in use, too [20:26] Techrights-sec2 great, that's as it should be [20:26] Techrights-sec2 on the blochain tho? [20:26] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@g64i3ftapqr3g.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [20:27] schestowitz-TR distributed bartering logs do not scale well [20:27] schestowitz-TR you end up using up energy and network capacity [20:27] schestowitz-TR but it's a nice japenese experiment [20:27] schestowitz-TR from the wastebasket [20:27] schestowitz-TR (if the story is true) [20:34] *spazzz is now known as spazz