●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Saturday, August 20, 2022 ●● ● Aug 20 [00:00] schestowitz-TR2 Visual: How COVID-19 Deaths Worsened Each Summer (More Than 10 Times Worse This Summer Than in 2020) https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/08/19/summer-2020-2022-deaths/ [00:00] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive Visual: How COVID-19 Deaths Worsened Each Summer (More Than 10 Times Worse This Summer Than in 2020) ● Aug 20 [01:29] *britney__ is now known as starstreak [01:30] *starstreak has quit (Quit: Leaving) [01:30] *starstreak_ (~starstreak@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [01:30] *starstreak_ has quit (connection closed) [01:30] *starstreak_ (~starstreak@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [01:31] *starstreak_ has quit (Quit: Leaving) [01:31] *starstreak (~starstreak@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Aug 20 [02:25] *Despatche has quit (Quit: Read error: Connection reset by deer) ● Aug 20 [04:59] *starstreak has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Aug 20 [05:52] schestowitz-TR2 back around 8am gmt [05:52] schestowitz-TR2 sent out some mails [05:52] schestowitz-TR2 wrote some decent (I think) blog posts, aside from the above in my personal site [05:52] schestowitz-TR2 tuxmachinness: added two pages just now [05:52] schestowitz-TR2 now I can sleep happier ● Aug 20 [07:27] Techrights-sec ack [07:29] schestowitz-TR2 i would like to know your opinion on the email [07:29] schestowitz-TR2 and guess/hypothesis in the blog post [07:29] schestowitz-TR2 I won't check email for another day or so [07:29] schestowitz-TR2 my gut feeling sayc copyright troll [07:32] schestowitz-TR2 --- [07:32] schestowitz-TR2 same as my guess [07:32] schestowitz-TR2 curiously the target is the post about norway [07:32] schestowitz-TR2 and the 10-year violation of human rights [07:36] schestowitz-TR2 ---- [07:36] schestowitz-TR2 see the first letter [07:36] schestowitz-TR2 it contains a url [07:36] schestowitz-TR2 but does nothing to identify an image [07:36] schestowitz-TR2 maybe by intention [07:36] schestowitz-TR2 cannot be an oversight so broad [07:36] schestowitz-TR2 so this is a legally-incaded D&C [07:36] schestowitz-TR2 *invalid [07:36] schestowitz-TR2 C&D [07:36] schestowitz-TR2 be sure to note the dates [07:36] schestowitz-TR2 maybe not sent to you in chromnological order [07:39] schestowitz-TR2 read my latest blog post for somc context too [07:39] schestowitz-TR2 remember the nations and role of copyright office in that country [07:39] schestowitz-TR2 that country is culpable of corruption [07:40] schestowitz-TR2 implicaitng a "public servant" (Josef) [07:40] schestowitz-TR2 we don't know if his predecessor Jesper Kongstad (KICKED OUT by the government) is [07:40] schestowitz-TR2 a model of what happens to him behind the scenes [07:40] schestowitz-TR2 we know about the expletives and international lawyers targeting the EPO behind the scnes [07:40] schestowitz-TR2 and Josef throwing "data protection" parades all the time [07:45] Techrights-sec ack [07:45] schestowitz-TR2 to rehash (I took some nodes, aside... I will be writing more about this) [07:45] schestowitz-TR2 he SEEMS to be targeting the text of the letter from norway's labour experts [07:45] schestowitz-TR2 who cautioned it would be illegal... in 2013 [07:46] schestowitz-TR2 in 2012 the judges finally confirmed it was indeed illegal [07:46] schestowitz-TR2 (meme: fair use, if small resolution) [07:46] schestowitz-TR2 there's no legal validity, but I want to know if copyright troll [07:46] schestowitz-TR2 or maybe a conspiracy to troll me [07:46] schestowitz-TR2 they have my full home address, I don't put that in public [07:46] schestowitz-TR2 EPO mafia does have my full home address [07:46] schestowitz-TR2 *in 2021 the judges [07:46] schestowitz-TR2 not 2012 (Typo) [07:46] schestowitz-TR2 also, I'm not in Germany [07:46] schestowitz-TR2 a lawyers might first tellm,e "wtf??" [07:46] schestowitz-TR2 this site is in no way subjected to german law [07:46] schestowitz-TR2 or even eu law [07:47] Techrights-sec ack [07:49] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [07:52] schestowitz-TR2 we know epo is desperate to silence us [07:52] schestowitz-TR2 but does not know how [07:52] schestowitz-TR2 we know this [07:53] schestowitz-TR2 from the inside [07:53] schestowitz-TR2 but cannot prove a connection here [07:53] schestowitz-TR2 so must dig deeper [07:53] schestowitz-TR2 maybe "ddiscovery" if they don't hide tracks [07:53] schestowitz-TR2 we're like the only/last site that covers epo corruption [07:53] schestowitz-TR2 so it is strategic to neuter us like they did ip kat [07:53] schestowitz-TR2 maybe they had some leverage/blackmail on jeremy philips [07:53] schestowitz-TR2 who "retired" [07:53] schestowitz-TR2 still actove, just not in the site he founded [07:53] schestowitz-TR2 it wouldn't be "above them" to grease him up with a bribe, subject to some conditions [07:53] schestowitz-TR2 but that's pure speculation [07:53] schestowitz-TR2 thanks for the input, I think I'll ask cxory, glkyn, and mmasnick for their opinion [07:53] schestowitz-TR2 I don't trust eff anymore, they would not help me [07:53] schestowitz-TR2 they also wrote a defensive post 2 days ago [07:53] schestowitz-TR2 on why they DO NOT cover some scandals [07:53] schestowitz-TR2 I've long complained they ignored EPO [07:53] schestowitz-TR2 while writing like 50 posts (!!), mostly by cory, on EU corpyirght [07:53] schestowitz-TR2 strange that patents would interest them so much, except in Europe [07:53] schestowitz-TR2 also: they wrote about patents 2 days ago [07:53] schestowitz-TR2 the "bill" in the US, Tillis [07:54] Techrights-sec e [07:54] Techrights-sec ack [07:58] Techrights-sec https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/08/new-patent-bill-would-open-floodgates-return-terrible-software-and-genetic-patents [07:58] Techrights-sec The EFF post misunderstands the nature of the patent threats, they are against [07:58] Techrights-sec /users/ of software and not developers [07:58] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.eff.org | New Bill Would Bring Back Terrible Software and Genetic Patents | Electronic Frontier Foundation [07:59] schestowitz-TR2 half of the days the EFF writes NOTHING [07:59] schestowitz-TR2 even in the blog [07:59] schestowitz-TR2 on average, inc. weekends, maybe one per day [07:59] schestowitz-TR2 in "bursts" (like 2-3 in a single day) [07:59] schestowitz-TR2 consider how many people they employ, you wonder what they do all day in SF [07:59] schestowitz-TR2 it's not like EFF has many ongoing cases or shares PDFs in its site [07:59] schestowitz-TR2 it did lots of that under barlow, in the wake of snoweden leaks, shiva versus mmasnick and whatnot [07:59] schestowitz-TR2 now I guess they write "tweets" and count "likes" or members or sponsors like Mark Cuban ● Aug 20 [08:00] schestowitz-TR2 Cuban = the REAL clients, the "big bucks" [08:00] schestowitz-TR2 he's their "big buck daddy" [08:00] schestowitz-TR2 that's newCoke EFF does not understand swpats is not an enigma [08:00] schestowitz-TR2 daniel nazer (good) left them for mozilla [08:00] schestowitz-TR2 I used to chat a bit with him, he too was targeted by copyright "trolls" [08:00] schestowitz-TR2 to silence his writings on patents, iirc [08:00] schestowitz-TR2 and there was vera ranieri, joe mullin among others [08:00] schestowitz-TR2 eff brought them aboard to fight trolls and swpats [08:00] schestowitz-TR2 I don't know (or think) they are still there [08:00] schestowitz-TR2 but I read eff's site via kate without seeing author names [08:36] schestowitz-TR2 ">Here is your daily dose of what the heck?" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/08/youtube-thought-my-steam-deck-video-was-harmful-and-dangerous/ | Source: GamingOnLinux [08:36] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-YouTube thought my Steam Deck video was 'harmful and dangerous' | GamingOnLinux [08:37] schestowitz-TR2 you need not say the s of f words in the videos to get shaken down by gulag anymore [08:37] schestowitz-TR2 sounds like a "fun" .... 'free' hosting platform [08:54] schestowitz-TR2 --- [08:54] schestowitz-TR2 got a new quick way to make lots of tea with lemon [08:54] schestowitz-TR2 with cooking gloves and some equipment [08:54] schestowitz-TR2 also started turning on some screen when afk to conserve energy and lower bills a bit [08:54] schestowitz-TR2 I think the sooner or learns to live in small budget, the better [08:54] schestowitz-TR2 at the very least getting accustomed to it [08:54] schestowitz-TR2 tea is luxury enough and rianne is not discussing the bday gift... we might just donote to the elepant and call that thew gift [08:54] schestowitz-TR2 I need possible topics to cover, got time, not enough topics [08:59] Techrights-sec possible topic: [08:59] Techrights-sec http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-190822.html#tAug%2019%2020:30:31 [08:59] Techrights-sec http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-190822.html#tAug%2019%2020:29:11 [08:59] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Friday, August 19, 2022 [08:59] Techrights-sec http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-190822.html#tAug%2019%2007:47:04 [08:59] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Friday, August 19, 2022 [08:59] Techrights-sec http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-180822.html#tAug%2018%2023:09:13 [08:59] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | IRC: #techbytes @ Techrights IRC Network: Friday, August 19, 2022 [08:59] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Thursday, August 18, 2022 ● Aug 20 [09:09] schestowitz-TR2 arindam (posting in tuxmachines , his own stories, for about 3 yearsd now) wanted an account also [09:09] schestowitz-TR2 I can sort of vouch for him, but knowing file system access he gets [09:09] schestowitz-TR2 I'd be in no hurry yet to make an account for him [09:09] schestowitz-TR2 "cloning" one for him would still mean code changes [09:09] schestowitz-TR2 like the switch statement for unix name and display name [09:09] schestowitz-TR2 but I don't want to deny him access, it would be unfair [09:09] schestowitz-TR2 he's no fan of Microsoft, he is in it for the cause [09:09] schestowitz-TR2 referring to the 7:01am text [09:10] schestowitz-TR2 past experience suggests being conservative with accounts is good [09:10] schestowitz-TR2 as some people just ant an account to spam the site with crap [09:10] schestowitz-TR2 even if they don't do so initially [09:10] schestowitz-TR2 regarding topics, you have highlighted 3 [09:10] schestowitz-TR2 I will cover that this weekend, thanks [09:10] schestowitz-TR2 regarding image uploads, atm I do wget in one terminal and then "borrow" the filename for nano (or kate) [09:10] schestowitz-TR2 there is a trick sometimes needed, however, esp. when the file extension is followed by [09:10] schestowitz-TR2 ?some_crap [09:10] schestowitz-TR2 which has sadly become common [09:10] schestowitz-TR2 surveillance on image use [09:10] schestowitz-TR2 this confuses bash and wget [09:10] schestowitz-TR2 and thus complicated explaining to rianne how to do this consistently [09:10] schestowitz-TR2 a long time ago I taught her to always identify and remove the tracking codes from urls, e.g ?utm_someshit [09:10] schestowitz-TR2 arindam (posting in tuxmachines , his own stories, for about 3 yearsd now) wanted an account also [09:10] schestowitz-TR2 I can sort of vouch for him, but knowing file system access he gets [09:10] schestowitz-TR2 I'd be in no hurry yet to make an account for him [09:10] Techrights-sec that can be done by the upload script, it can be looked into but has not yet [09:10] Techrights-sec reached alpha stage. It is merely proof-of-concept atm [09:10] schestowitz-TR2 "cloning" one for him would still mean code changes [09:10] schestowitz-TR2 like the switch statement for unix name and display name [09:10] schestowitz-TR2 but I don't want to deny him access, it would be unfair [09:10] schestowitz-TR2 he's no fan of Microsoft, he is in it for the cause [09:10] schestowitz-TR2 referring to the 7:01am text [09:10] schestowitz-TR2 past experience suggests being conservative with accounts is good [09:10] schestowitz-TR2 as some people just ant an account to spam the site with crap [09:10] schestowitz-TR2 even if they don't do so initially [09:10] schestowitz-TR2 regarding topics, you have highlighted 3 [09:10] schestowitz-TR2 I will cover that this weekend, thanks [09:10] schestowitz-TR2 regarding image uploads, atm I do wget in one terminal and then "borrow" the filename for nano (or kate) [09:10] schestowitz-TR2 there is a trick sometimes needed, however, esp. when the file extension is followed by [09:10] schestowitz-TR2 ?some_crap [09:10] schestowitz-TR2 which has sadly become common [09:10] schestowitz-TR2 surveillance on image use [09:10] schestowitz-TR2 this confuses bash and wget [09:10] schestowitz-TR2 and thus complicated explaining to rianne how to do this consistently [09:10] schestowitz-TR2 a long time ago I taught her to always identify and remove the tracking codes from urls, e.g ?utm_someshit [09:10] *Despatche (~desp@u3xy9z2ifjzci.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [09:13] schestowitz-TR2 image upload over the web = can of worms [09:13] schestowitz-TR2 visitors can "upload" objects [09:13] schestowitz-TR2 and sometimes execute some (e.g. php) [09:13] schestowitz-TR2 image upload over cli [09:13] schestowitz-TR2 secured by ssh [09:13] schestowitz-TR2 but then users have very broad range of capabilities [09:13] schestowitz-TR2 like delerte and access files, even of other people [09:14] schestowitz-TR2 hence I'm putting arindam on hold for now [09:14] schestowitz-TR2 he sent me his ssh keys ● Aug 20 [10:07] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 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[10:13] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [10:13] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@5tcc2vuaj9aks.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [10:14] Techrights-sec the keys can be tied to a script so that only the script can be run and no [10:14] Techrights-sec shell access can happen; [10:14] Techrights-sec find / -type d \( -group gemtext -o -group webmasters \) -print | less [10:14] Techrights-sec yes the image upload would need a lot more planning and quite bit spent on [10:14] Techrights-sec validating and verifying the uploads [10:57] Techrights-sec checking some sshd options [10:59] schestowitz-TR2 thanks, I've not been glaslighting anyone [10:59] schestowitz-TR2 I just want to slow down the process a bit [10:59] schestowitz-TR2 because what we have running at the moment runs well [10:59] schestowitz-TR2 and images or fourth author are not a priority [10:59] schestowitz-TR2 Only yesterday I turned off remotet drupal backup [10:59] schestowitz-TR2 and put mysql under monitoring for any panics or warnings [10:59] schestowitz-TR2 the next step after that is better understanding how that site is still used ● Aug 20 [11:00] schestowitz-TR2 "No Farms, No Food" https://thegrayzone.com/2022/08/19/farms-food-dutch-farmers-protests-elite/ | Source: The Gray Zone [11:00] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-thegrayzone.com | 'No Farms, No Food:' Dutch farmers confront billionaire 'green' elite's food system reset plan - The Grayzone [11:00] schestowitz-TR2 "The Earth Is Telling Us It's Exhausted" https://truthout.org/articles/the-earth-is-telling-us-its-exhausted/ | Source: TruthOut [11:00] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-truthout.org | "The Earth Is Telling Us It's Exhausted": An Interview With Poet Natalie Diaz [11:13] schestowitz__[TR] spamnil is going too far with the clickfraud [11:13] schestowitz__[TR] now it's like 95% spam "clicks" [11:13] schestowitz__[TR] submitted report: [11:13] schestowitz__[TR] " [11:13] schestowitz__[TR] Check your logs. For a number of months Swapnil has been buying fake "views"; about 90-95% of his videos' "views" are fake, paid-for, basically clickfraud. [11:13] schestowitz__[TR] He relies on you not noticing this so he can sell a scam to guests, based on massively distorted (faked) number of views. [11:13] schestowitz__[TR] This has to end... [11:13] schestowitz__[TR] " [11:15] schestowitz-TR2 editing is good, too [11:15] schestowitz-TR2 they need to edit what they posted if it's wrong [11:15] schestowitz-TR2 very unlikely vandalism of other people's posts will be attempted [11:15] schestowitz-TR2 no incentive to [11:16] Techrights-sec when access is eventually granted should the aditional editorial staff be [11:16] Techrights-sec able update existing posts or just add new ones? [11:16] Techrights-sec ok [11:16] Techrights-sec the aren't really any provisions for ACLs though so in principle they could [11:16] Techrights-sec edit any post [11:24] Techrights-sec ack [11:26] schestowitz-TR2 thanks so much [11:26] schestowitz-TR2 rianne and I love that new intro you've put at the top of the front page [11:26] schestowitz-TR2 it's exactly what the site is about [11:26] schestowitz-TR2 No "LF" garbage like FOSSForce [11:27] schestowitz-TR2 threatening me for not using a "free" cert from LF [11:27] schestowitz-TR2 while shilling LF ads in her site [11:27] Techrights-sec ack [11:27] Techrights-sec np, tesing some stuff now [11:27] Techrights-sec excellent. it is important to set the tone, however briefly [11:27] schestowitz-TR2 to help market diploma mills [11:27] schestowitz-TR2 after she had already called out LF years ago (money talks) [11:27] schestowitz-TR2 marius never ever covers anything LF [11:27] schestowitz-TR2 he has a smell for shit... like corporate bullshit [11:27] schestowitz-TR2 same for red hat, he rarely covers their "corporate" Linux [11:27] Techrights-sec great, I hope few are fooled by the LF, but then probably few even think about [11:27] Techrights-sec the LF [11:27] Techrights-sec and therein lies a big problem [11:29] schestowitz-TR2 did you see the two quick posts I did on sheela last night? [11:29] schestowitz-TR2 she may have played some role in the assassination of Linux.com [11:31] Techrights-sec checking [11:33] schestowitz-TR2 we may be dealing with a dynasty of very ambitious frauds and imposters [11:33] schestowitz-TR2 no tech background, btu endless embition [11:33] schestowitz-TR2 reminds me of bully DB [11:33] schestowitz-TR2 I don't have strong enough evidence (yet) of her meddling in LF [11:33] schestowitz-TR2 it's what they call "pillow talk" [11:33] Techrights-sec neither seem to mention her role in the demise of linux.com [11:33] Techrights-sec spamnil's full name was missing from the one [11:33] Techrights-sec ack [11:33] Techrights-sec it's quite likely though, she has access (via husband) and is a microsofter [11:33] Techrights-sec first and foremost [11:36] schestowitz-TR2 spamnil is a link [11:36] schestowitz-TR2 people need more than the name but full context [11:36] schestowitz-TR2 the clickfraud is like a heroin addition [11:36] schestowitz-TR2 he keeps increasing the doses [11:36] schestowitz-TR2 *addiciton [11:36] schestowitz-TR2 to attain the previous level of content/satisfaction [11:36] schestowitz-TR2 "fake it will you make it"/"try to look big" as the mantra [11:36] schestowitz-TR2 at whose expenses? [11:36] schestowitz-TR2 the bakkt bullshit must have cost people at the bottom of this pysramid scheme a LOT of money [11:36] schestowitz-TR2 and us gnu/linux volunteers put in billions worth of "work" [11:36] schestowitz-TR2 for these frauds to "cash in" and destroy it all or sell it to Microsoft & co. [11:37] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@idmghtbcmp6wc.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [11:41] Techrights-sec nevertheless, the links should convey /extra/ information and the body text [11:41] Techrights-sec needs to be self-contained and relay the essentials, such as names [11:42] Techrights-sec can you make a test SSH key (a new one, to be erased later) and add it [11:42] Techrights-sec The command="..." part is important [11:44] schestowitz-TR2 sure, if I understand correctly, you di not want me to add his real key, but to make a mock one and see if I can jail-break etc. [11:44] schestowitz-TR2 after access with a mock public key [11:44] Techrights-sec Can you help test the SSH keys? [11:44] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [11:44] Techrights-sec correct, a mock key made up for the one task; there is a test key already in [11:44] Techrights-sec place which can be used as an example of the command="..." part. That part [11:44] Techrights-sec can be c [11:44] Techrights-sec correct, a mock key made up for the one task; there is a test key already in [11:44] Techrights-sec place which can be used as an example of the command="..." part. That part [11:44] Techrights-sec can be copied-pasted and prepended to your test key. [11:44] Techrights-sec opied-pasted and prepended to your test key. [11:44] Techrights-sec -- [11:45] Techrights-sec correct, a mock key made up for the one task; there is a test key already in [11:45] Techrights-sec place which can be used as an example of the command="..." part. That part [11:45] Techrights-sec can be copied-pasted and prepended to your test key. [11:45] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [11:54] Techrights-sec connection: [11:54] Techrights-sec thanks! ● Aug 20 [12:01] schestowitz-TR2 I've tried 2 keys [12:01] schestowitz-TR2 even reloaded sshd [12:01] Techrights-sec maybe it should default to "new" then rather than require passing that option [12:01] Techrights-sec manually? [12:03] schestowitz-TR2 I get permission denied no matter what [12:03] schestowitz-TR2 after adding public kets (2 even) [12:03] schestowitz-TR2 2 keys to the file [12:03] schestowitz-TR2 oh, wait [12:03] schestowitz-TR2 arinDAMN! [12:04] Techrights-sec no second "n" [12:07] Techrights-sec checking [12:09] schestowitz-TR2 ok, progress [12:09] schestowitz-TR2 now lines 20 and 23 of tm-ssh-wrappr.pl throw an error [12:09] schestowitz-TR2 off-topic/ignore: yesterday I ran into a very weird issue. konsole in rianne's second machine would not accept utf-8 proper [12:09] schestowitz-TR2 over barrier [12:09] schestowitz-TR2 or even from kate to konsole [12:09] schestowitz-TR2 I tried many things, though I was getting cloe to solving it [12:09] schestowitz-TR2 and thw oddest thing is, I think it used to work fine [12:09] schestowitz-TR2 I gave up after about 20 mins, she can popst OK from her primary PC anyway [12:09] schestowitz-TR2 but having the terminal on another screen can save space/time [12:09] schestowitz-TR2 it just converted advanced symboils into question marks [12:10] Techrights-sec are you appending the string "new" to the end of the line? [12:13] schestowitz-TR2 now it works [12:13] schestowitz-TR2 I removed "new" while 'debugging' access [12:13] schestowitz-TR2 i wonder what other cms used such an approach to adding newe stories (I'm sure some have, but maybe not public projects) [12:14] Techrights-sec if you replace "new" with "update" followed by a URL it should allow editing too [12:24] schestowitz-TR2 Meanwhile EFF takes money from Gulag, a MASS tracker, and outsources its podcast to GAFAM. It also shills Microsoft DuckDuckGo. Don't throw stones in glass houses, EFF. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/08/nonprofit-websites-are-full-of-trackers-that-should-change | Source: EFF [12:24] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.eff.org | Nonprofit Websites Are Full of Trackers. That Should Change. | Electronic Frontier Foundation [12:37] schestowitz-TR2 Social Control Media https://thedissenter.org/cia-facebook-google-alan-macleod-unauthorized-disclosure/ | Source: The Dissenter [12:37] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-thedissenter.org | The Spies Curating What You See On Social Media [12:37] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [12:57] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [12:57] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Aug 20 [13:07] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [13:08] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [13:11] schestowitz-TR2 go away, cat? [13:11] schestowitz-TR2 :-) [13:33] Techrights-sec I split out the authorization logs on tm-new; Later will move over the [13:33] Techrights-sec primitive IDS scripts [13:33] Techrights-sec (probably tomorrow) [13:33] Techrights-sec actually, will adjust them for the new layout [13:33] schestowitz-TR2 intrusion detection? [13:39] schestowitz-TR2 fortifying thius server is good [13:39] schestowitz-TR2 assuming it'll go on for years to come and manage lots of new news [13:39] schestowitz-TR2 there will be less out there [13:39] schestowitz-TR2 but we can hunt down what does exist [13:39] schestowitz-TR2 also, gemini makes us more future-proof [13:39] schestowitz-TR2 mqtt too [13:39] schestowitz-TR2 did you see the new zdnet? wtf!!!! [13:39] schestowitz-TR2 i did a post about this [13:40] Techrights-sec actually, will adjust them for the new layout [13:40] Techrights-sec yes, they're not part of openrc zoo yet [13:40] Techrights-sec but they are running manually for now; it is about time to automate [13:40] Techrights-sec their startu so that they can survive a reboot without intervention [13:40] Techrights-sec they seem to be doing their job in quieting the logs [13:41] Techrights-sec They work with NFtables [13:41] Techrights-sec one can hope [13:41] Techrights-sec mqtt has a lot of options to explore later too [13:41] Techrights-sec no I do not follow ZDNet unless there is a reason too [13:41] Techrights-sec checking [13:41] Techrights-sec wow, what an ugly layout [13:41] Techrights-sec at least it is a simpler interface though [13:41] Techrights-sec checking [13:41] Techrights-sec gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/19/really-ugly-zdnet/ [13:41] Techrights-sec which other sites have they shut down recently? [13:43] schestowitz-TR2 zdnet au, zdnet uk (just ghosts, like Microsoft's Ars Technica UK... founded by Microsoft, the editor admitted to me) [13:43] schestowitz-TR2 and various other sistser sites whose name I can no longer recall [13:43] schestowitz-TR2 techrepublic becomes MS churnalism and diploma mill [13:43] schestowitz-TR2 they try toi "cash in" before they die, imho [13:44] Techrights-sec hmm. [13:44] Techrights-sec I stopped reading ZDNet UK long ago; It was only worth reading for the [13:44] Techrights-sec occasional Glyn Moody post [13:44] Techrights-sec I concur [13:45] schestowitz-TR2 you cannot see the screenshot, but you can see annotations when I put them in as text [13:45] schestowitz-TR2 I think the summary states what needs to be stated about the screenshot [13:45] schestowitz-TR2 like I said, there's a www-calypse [13:45] schestowitz-TR2 the media hardly talks about it [13:45] schestowitz-TR2 some thing twitter will 'save them' [13:45] schestowitz-TR2 twitter is floundering too [13:45] schestowitz-TR2 FB=walled garden [13:49] Techrights-sec CCP's tiktok already has a grip on tne minds of gen Z [13:49] Techrights-sec culturally they have become foreign to the geographic region where they [13:49] Techrights-sec are resident [13:49] schestowitz-TR2 in the climate since 2016 there's no way zuckerbag (like sandbag, but she is leaving) can convince china to let him in [13:49] schestowitz-TR2 worse yet, china's tiktok replaces him [13:49] schestowitz-TR2 no matter is he memorises some crap in mandarin to pretend he gives a shit [13:49] schestowitz-TR2 so fb has no plan for a rebound [13:49] schestowitz-TR2 now it loses billions a year on vapourware (metaverse) [13:49] schestowitz-TR2 having already bought whatsapp and FBInstagram, trying to stay relevant like Oracle tried (many layoffs in Oracle ATM) [13:49] schestowitz-TR2 Ellison rubbed Trump's thights for control over tiktok [13:49] schestowitz-TR2 Oracle has nothing to do with social control media, it's just graft [13:49] schestowitz-TR2 kissing trhe mafia don's rin g [13:51] schestowitz-TR2 --- [13:52] schestowitz-TR2 "knowing" = status by proxy [13:52] schestowitz-TR2 maybe next time she should ask for an autograph or take a selfie with him [13:52] schestowitz-TR2 that's add to "popularity" the spamnil way [13:52] schestowitz-TR2 taking photos with people to compensate for a lack of qualification [13:52] schestowitz-TR2 like epo presidents [13:52] Techrights-sec [13:52] Techrights-sec yep [13:52] Techrights-sec selfie :( [13:52] Techrights-sec mosquitto logs are useless; I wonder if they should be turned off? [13:52] Techrights-sec and just let mosquitto run without it's crap logging [13:53] schestowitz-TR2 In know little about mqtt except pieter from ffii pioneered a lot there [13:54] schestowitz-TR2 was unhappy about red hat following [13:54] schestowitz-TR2 and then getting software patents on his things [13:54] schestowitz-TR2 we wrote about this [13:54] schestowitz-TR2 he worked on his project until his death [13:55] Techrights-sec [13:55] Techrights-sec /var/log/mosquitto/mosquitto.log [13:55] Techrights-sec It's a very good system, it's just that the logging is setup so as to have [13:55] Techrights-sec the information spred out over several separate lines in such away as to [13:55] Techrights-sec prevent them from being connected and thus prevented from being useful or [13:55] Techrights-sec relevant for much of anything; almost only a waste of space [13:55] Techrights-sec Hintjens worked on a different protocol, ZeroMQ [13:55] Techrights-sec that does something quite different even though MQ is in the name [13:58] schestowitz-TR2 shows you how little I know about these [13:58] schestowitz-TR2 I assumed mq was a means to en end [13:58] schestowitz-TR2 and then many implementations with different names of branches [13:59] Techrights-sec probably ZeroMQ is the better of the two, but it is unfamiliar and lacks [13:59] Techrights-sec the marketing hype [13:59] Techrights-sec http://www.dre.vanderbilt.edu/~gokhale/WWW/papers/M4IoT2020.pdf ● Aug 20 [14:42] schestowitz-TR2 i wanna ask, as it is your site too [14:42] schestowitz-TR2 would putting videos embedded via invidious considered acceptable in TM? [14:42] schestowitz-TR2 just added an article about statis site generators [14:42] schestowitz-TR2 I will try to add a new video, see how that goes in browsers... [14:42] Techrights-sec not sure, if you think it would add to the site enough to offset the lack [14:42] Techrights-sec of oversight and control [14:49] schestowitz-TR2 this is only an experiment, so be forewarned [14:49] schestowitz-TR2 I will test in quirerss without js, ff, librewolf, and falkon [14:49] schestowitz-TR2 wowk, works without js i quiterss [14:49] schestowitz-TR2 but autoplays [14:49] schestowitz-TR2 which might be ok, you have to expand the page first [14:49] schestowitz-TR2 can ou take a quick look? [14:51] Techrights-sec ok [14:54] schestowitz-TR2 in the librewolf browser I need to click to play it [14:54] schestowitz-TR2 I can add ?t=[SEC] tgo skip shite in some videos [14:54] schestowitz-TR2 I envision a future without so many articles ● Aug 20 [15:00] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [15:01] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [15:05] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [15:09] Techrights-sec ok [15:09] Techrights-sec ack [15:15] Techrights-sec It's good to be able to skip right to the key section of the videos. [15:15] Techrights-sec Too many videos have long intros, or long periods of downright irrelevant [15:15] Techrights-sec material first. [15:15] schestowitz-TR2 I will record about 3 videos later [15:15] schestowitz-TR2 you reminded me to give a quick overview at the very start [15:15] schestowitz-TR2 and maybe a breakdown of what's coming [15:15] schestowitz-TR2 though they are not scripted [15:16] Techrights-sec ack [15:16] Techrights-sec explaining like that helps IMO [15:33] schestowitz-TR2 I think I see a minor bug [15:33] schestowitz-TR2 in gemini, all the latest pages say 18-08 at the top [15:33] schestowitz-TR2 I first noticed this because I was double-checking rss feeds' consistency [15:34] Techrights-sec ok [15:34] Techrights-sec checking [15:34] Techrights-sec yep, well-spotted [15:34] Techrights-sec looking into the cause [15:34] Techrights-sec perhaps that date can be taken out completely as the byline makes it redundant [15:35] schestowitz-TR2 totally up to you [15:35] schestowitz-TR2 it would take me a long time to read perl and understand how that date is derived [15:36] Techrights-sec ? [15:36] Techrights-sec thanks. simpler is better. [15:36] Techrights-sec it was a genuine bug, looks like it was left over from a much earlier iteration [15:36] Techrights-sec of the gemtext function [15:36] Techrights-sec The creation date is already in the URL /and/ the byline, so a date of [15:36] Techrights-sec modification would be useful, but that too is in the byline; [15:36] Techrights-sec tldr; removing it [15:39] schestowitz-TR2 ok, so stale prototype residue [15:39] schestowitz-TR2 Gulg isd already indexing hundreds of pages in that site3~ [15:39] schestowitz-TR2 finding old pages would be harder except by following a trail of pages one by one linearly [15:39] schestowitz-TR2 this was also an issue in old tuxmachines [15:39] schestowitz-TR2 even archive pages need a LOT of pagination [15:39] schestowitz-TR2 in wordpress, we have archives per days, too [15:39] schestowitz-TR2 in gemini, TR has monthly listings [15:39] schestowitz-TR2 biab nap [15:40] Techrights-sec news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/20/Sparky_Linux_Is_Debian_With_Non_GNOME_Desktops.gmi seems empty [15:40] Techrights-sec ak [15:40] Techrights-sec ack [15:43] schestowitz-TR2 your browser blocks the iframe [15:43] schestowitz-TR2 or you use http inside an https page [15:43] schestowitz-TR2 they call it escalation/downgrade attack [15:43] schestowitz-TR2 it's a first time for me posting a video in the new site [15:43] schestowitz-TR2 it worked OK in all broiwsers, even quiterss w/ js turned off [15:43] schestowitz-TR2 and auto-played [15:43] schestowitz-TR2 which I thought was neat [15:43] schestowitz-TR2 it's also easy and fast to do this [15:43] schestowitz-TR2 for GOOD videos [15:43] Techrights-sec ok [15:43] Techrights-sec was that the test post? [15:43] Techrights-sec nice [15:43] Techrights-sec ack [15:43] schestowitz-TR2 nap [15:44] schestowitz-TR2 before I go, will add a url for gemini to not have blank page [15:44] schestowitz-TR2 and for long-term access [15:44] Techrights-sec thanks! [15:47] schestowitz-TR2 done, I see the link works in http/s, in gemini it shows only the anchor text of the URL [15:47] Techrights-sec checking ● Aug 20 [16:41] *starstreak (~starstreak@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Aug 20 [18:24] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [18:26] *starstreak has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [18:28] schestowitz-TR2 "While it could be easy to buy a Raspberry Pi and run it. You should know some tips before buy anything. Raspberry Pi as a server is very good. In my opinion, you should buy with it a good SD Card and an active cooling solution." gemini://kelgors.me/articles/rpi-before-buy.gmi [18:34] Techrights-sec the info about the microSD cards is good, but the CPU loads currently don't [18:34] Techrights-sec warrant active cooling (fans etc) [18:34] Techrights-sec but they did not post the diagnostic tool and its options [18:35] schestowitz-TR2 the other day I spent a lot of time makign further customisations on rianne's pi [18:35] schestowitz-TR2 so maybe I'll want to clone the whole system again some time soon [18:35] schestowitz-TR2 our pi (gemini, ipfs etc.) has daily backups of /home and the base system has not changed since the last clone, except maybe the system logs [18:49] *starstreak (~starstreak@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [18:52] Techrights-sec ack [18:53] schestowitz-TR2 nearly cleaned all the weekend feeds, too [18:53] schestowitz-TR2 then, I plan to record 3 in a row -- one links you sent me are good topics [18:53] schestowitz-TR2 the news is generally slowing down A LOT this month [18:53] schestowitz-TR2 but creative curation means one can cope with what's there [18:53] schestowitz-TR2 now that you made gemini able to pick up inline plain url, [18:53] schestowitz-TR2 I think that if I see a decent video I'll embed again [18:53] schestowitz-TR2 robertson needs to be reviews before linking to [18:53] schestowitz-TR2 *(reviewed [18:53] Techrights-sec excellent [18:53] Techrights-sec I don't expect that the pace of the news will return in the foreseeable future [18:53] Techrights-sec Ok, but a few lines of text describing why one would want to click on the video [18:53] Techrights-sec would be important in both the HTTPS and Gemini sites. [18:53] Techrights-sec yes, he's not been at his best lately [18:54] schestowitz-TR2 I put video summary in the meta part [18:54] schestowitz-TR2 but it would be wide to reproduce the same in the body I suppose [18:54] schestowitz-TR2 I'll think of a way [18:54] schestowitz-TR2 maybe url, then embed, than text [18:54] schestowitz-TR2 *then [18:55] Techrights-sec the metadata is only in the the HTML. There might be a way to re-use it in [18:55] Techrights-sec the GemText though. [18:55] schestowitz-TR2 for gemtext/gemini, the front page shows that as summary, but inside the page there's no trace of it left [18:57] schestowitz-TR2 broadie robertson in a nutshell [18:57] schestowitz-TR2 started with good technical video [18:57] schestowitz-TR2 ran out of things to show or show off [18:57] schestowitz-TR2 then started becoming a "news" person mostly parroting GAFAM, Reddit, and other corporate bullshit farms [18:57] schestowitz-TR2 based on what was not censored there [18:57] schestowitz-TR2 and he calls reddit "research" [18:57] schestowitz-TR2 haha [18:58] Techrights-sec GemText is quite simple and quite flat [18:58] Techrights-sec There is no document header only the body, that is the whole thing [18:58] Techrights-sec Yes parroting is rather an unfortunate activity, especially since he has been [18:58] Techrights-sec embracing their agendas or at least endorsing and defending them [18:58] Techrights-sec reddit :( [18:59] schestowitz-TR2 remember what zdnet calls it: "SPONSORED NARRATIVE" [18:59] schestowitz-TR2 it's the product they sell [18:59] schestowitz-TR2 in reddit, they call me Ask Me Anything (that the moderators won't just put in the bucket... not so ANYTHING) [18:59] schestowitz-TR2 and various campaigns like they did IE9 [18:59] schestowitz-TR2 It's basically a shill site, disguised as hacker... Swartz... counterculture, sticking it to the man [18:59] schestowitz-TR2 while doing AMA with crooks like billG ● Aug 20 [19:13] Techrights-sec Swartz had nothing to do with reddit, though the latter capitalizedd on his [19:13] Techrights-sec death and the resulting outpourings of sympathic combined with serendipitous [19:13] Techrights-sec timing with the downfall of Slashdot. [19:13] Techrights-sec Reddit is worse than a shill site. [19:25] schestowitz-TR2 How to Set Up a Private Git Server on Linux https://www.makeuseof.com/set-up-private-git-server-on-linux/ Source: makeuseof | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.makeuseof.com/set-up-private-git-server-on-linux/ [19:25] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.makeuseof.com | How to Set Up a Private Git Server on Linux [19:25] schestowitz-TR2 wonder how long it'll last [19:26] schestowitz-TR2 they made it very bloated [19:26] schestowitz-TR2 and it hides "content" [19:26] schestowitz-TR2 to lure in new "subscribers" [19:26] schestowitz-TR2 and people speak out about what it really is [19:26] schestowitz-TR2 I saw another rant today [19:27] Techrights-sec good, if people are seeing it for what it really is [19:27] Techrights-sec they censor like crazy and, to that end, even kick people out of their own [19:27] Techrights-sec subforums; [19:31] schestowitz-TR2 [18:19] "Reading comments on HackerNews isnt usually my thing, but if its yours, now have a potential signal for where to start reading on my blog." https://blog.jim-nielsen.com/2022/playing-with-blog-home/ [19:31] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-blog.jim-nielsen.com | Playing With My Blogs Home Page - Jim Nielsens Blog [19:32] schestowitz-TR2 there sre sometimes trends in the media that give hope that maybe we gravitate in the right direction [19:32] schestowitz-TR2 they allso covered gemini 1-2 weeks ago in MUO [19:32] schestowitz-TR2 they cover a lot of gnu/linux [19:33] Techrights-sec checking [19:33] Techrights-sec they use RSA keys :( That might be ok if some legacy hardware token is in [19:33] Techrights-sec use but Ed25519 is probably more appropriatethese days [19:33] Techrights-sec Those were otherwise some of the initial steps used for TM [19:34] schestowitz-TR2 https://nitter.it/hashman/status/1560996497172447232#m [19:34] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-hashman (@hashman): "IBM/Azure's Elana Hashman, Only Two Months After Starting a Campaign to Delete RMS ... https://ift.tt/ihldq7f"|nitter.it [19:35] schestowitz-TR2 rather baffled as to why she promotes this [19:35] schestowitz-TR2 it basically puts her in class with people who struggle to find any employment [19:35] schestowitz-TR2 but some people are delighted just to see their name online.... anywhere online [19:35] schestowitz-TR2 even if this unflattering [19:35] Techrights-sec ack [19:39] schestowitz-TR2 alternatively, maybe she likes what it says [19:39] schestowitz-TR2 in which case, I think the brain stopped working [19:39] Techrights-sec ack [19:43] schestowitz-TR2 tomorow our football club plays/faces off a terrorist-owned football club [19:43] schestowitz-TR2 sportwashing by MbS [19:43] schestowitz-TR2 mind you, 'our' team is owned by dubai [19:43] schestowitz-TR2 so the standards are low [19:43] schestowitz-TR2 Manchester United is some hedge fund or culture capitalist from NYC [19:44] schestowitz-TR2 *vulture [19:44] schestowitz-TR2 they say it's just tax evasion, not even PR or reputatioon laundering [19:44] schestowitz-TR2 but I don't know the accounting angle of that [19:44] schestowitz-TR2 putin's mate owned chelsea FC until earlier this year [19:44] schestowitz-TR2 insane what sort of football club ownership we have in europe [19:44] schestowitz-TR2 PSG is also some horrible sheikh [19:46] Techrights-sec ack [19:46] Techrights-sec I can't believe that sale was allowed to go through [19:46] Techrights-sec not much better that one either [19:46] Techrights-sec :( [19:46] Techrights-sec If people, on average, spent even 10% of the mental effort on following [19:46] Techrights-sec ooliticians and their activities that they do on various sports (local and [19:46] Techrights-sec foreign) then the corruption would probably shrink to a miniscule fraction [19:46] Techrights-sec of what it is today and the outcomes much better for the citizens of the [19:46] Techrights-sec various nations [19:46] schestowitz-TR2 techrights did a long series about kongstad, his politial masters, and their masters in KSA [19:46] schestowitz-TR2 so denmark too is controlled by that oil money [19:46] schestowitz-TR2 they pour some monies into local communities via shite like sport [19:46] schestowitz-TR2 and bribe politicians [19:46] schestowitz-TR2 it's good RoT [19:46] schestowitz-TR2 RoI [19:47] Techrights-sec As least DK had the good sense to choose the acronym DONG for that activity [19:52] schestowitz-TR2 in football, it's "financial doping" [19:52] schestowitz-TR2 you choose some nasty oil-rich nations and exchange PR for some funds [19:52] schestowitz-TR2 they "buy" you "good players" [19:52] schestowitz-TR2 and their abuses become unsprekable [19:52] schestowitz-TR2 in a football stadium, I'd be investigated for holding up a political sign [19:52] schestowitz-TR2 but the murderers are fine [19:52] schestowitz-TR2 they "support the locals" or atheletes [19:52] schestowitz-TR2 now trump is reportedly doing the same with mbs in the golfing scene [19:52] schestowitz-TR2 they also waste a lot of water, not just forestr land, for that stupid activity is hitting a tiny ball rto signal class affiliation [19:52] schestowitz-TR2 here, there can be hosepipe ban [19:52] schestowitz-TR2 but the dubai/aue football club waters their places like there's no tomorrow, to make it all green [19:52] schestowitz-TR2 they do the same in the emirates [19:52] schestowitz-TR2 like golf courses in the middle of the deserts [19:52] schestowitz-TR2 saw it in the book I read while shaving [19:52] schestowitz-TR2 vanity of doing things in imprioper places [19:52] schestowitz-TR2 maybe they also want a whole bunch of polar bears there in dubai malls [19:53] Techrights-sec yes they waste fossil water [19:53] Techrights-sec at the current rate of global heating, with the ongoing climate disaster, [19:53] Techrights-sec the middle east will be physically hotter than will allow human life [19:53] Techrights-sec it's a no-win situation because without oil THEY HAVE NO ECONOMIC ACTIVITY at all NONE [19:54] schestowitz-TR2 they tried airlines, they boost thos investments through the sportwashing, but afetr covid-19 the travel bubble bmostly imploded [19:54] schestowitz-TR2 I can't see myself flying for quite some time to come [19:54] schestowitz-TR2 too many bad things about it [19:55] Techrights-sec airlines, as they stand now with current technology, burn lots of petrochemicals [19:55] Techrights-sec This might turn things around: [19:55] Techrights-sec https://aip.scitation.org/doi/10.1063/5.0005814 [19:55] Techrights-sec but I can't see the large companies allowing it to happen and certainly none [19:55] Techrights-sec of the governments are in a position to require investment and development [19:55] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-aip.scitation.org | Jet propulsion by microwave air plasma in the atmosphere: AIP Advances: Vol 10, No 5 [19:55] Techrights-sec due their component politicians being wholly owned by aforementioned companies [19:57] schestowitz-TR2 checking url [19:57] schestowitz-TR2 published 2+ years ago [19:57] schestowitz-TR2 did it make a splash? [19:57] schestowitz-TR2 I heard nothing of it until today [19:57] schestowitz-TR2 reminds of the "cold fusion" fanatics ● Aug 20 [20:00] Techrights-sec then at the time, but probably it and the researchers have been subsequently [20:00] Techrights-sec shut down, if my cynicism is allowed to predict events [20:00] Techrights-sec The thrustbeing produced in the lab is already comparable to the thrust made [20:00] Techrights-sec by burning petrochemicals. It is now a matter of packaging and then after that [20:00] Techrights-sec the impossible task of getting the airline industry (in its current incarnation) [20:00] Techrights-sec to mothball its current fleet, even gradually [20:00] Techrights-sec They'll keep buying old style jets even if the new engines become available [20:00] Techrights-sec because of the existing fleet and the near worship of the sunk-cost fallacy [20:03] Techrights-sec cold fusion is a pipe dream but hot fusion keeps getting its funding cut and [20:03] Techrights-sec reduced; I can't remember all the intrigues and politics but one of the [20:03] Techrights-sec principals in US fusion died decades ago, unexpectedly and the administration [20:03] Techrights-sec did to the research what they did to the public schools. [20:03] Techrights-sec (and keep doing to both) [20:17] Techrights-sec similar: https://eurasiantimes.com/china-determined-to-have-a-fleet-of-hypersonic-planes-by-2035/ [20:17] Techrights-sec SCRAM was sci-fi for a long time [20:17] Techrights-sec maybe it still is but that's a different thing. [20:17] Techrights-sec there is aslo a lot of experimentation with hydrogen but that has severe [20:17] Techrights-sec storage difficulties still [20:17] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-eurasiantimes.com | Powered By 'Air-Breathing' Magnetic Fluid Engines, China Determined To Have A Fleet Of Hypersonic Planes By 2035 ● Aug 20 [21:15] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@visssm5ygjeee.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Aug 20 [23:57] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell